EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Remco Muntz wrote:
> Yes, but that's the same as pressing the +-button, which is better than
> it was, but still doesn't let me see an overview of the samples I have.
> I want to be able to read a list of sampes and be able to click them
> one by one, without having to go through the horrible menus. I believe
> the Kontakt has a much better sound-browser, but I'm not sure.

Not so sure about Kontakt either, I found it to look rather clumsy (very
small fonts, tree structure could become a bit bloated as soon as you're
using nested folders).

Anyways, I totally agree with you, the patch selection menu could be vastly
improved.
What about a standard (resizeable) open dialog that stays open as long as
you found what you wanted? What if the patch would play "in context" as soon
as you'd "touch" it with your mouse/cursor? Just as the sample preview of
the EXS (you can just browse as long as you want and it'll a) play the sound
"in patch" and b) will allways bring you back to the previous state in case
you press cancel).
And what about having such a "preview in context and open menu stays open
until I'm finished" option for ALL plugin presets?
That IMO would be unbeatable.

Btw, I am using MIDI Prg.Chng. 01 for patch up and 00 for down. That way I
can at least stay at my keyboard.

Regards,
Sascha

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck"  Anyways, I 
totally agree with you, the patch selection menu could be vastly
> improved. What about a standard (resizeable) open dialog that 
stays open as long as you found what you wanted? 

> Regards,
> Sascha

Cakewalk's Sonar uses a very practical floating window called 
the Synth Rack that allows you to load soft synths and select 
patches – not a bad paradigm for Logic to grab on to. 

-Matt

Matt wrote:
>Cakewalk's Sonar uses a very practical floating window called
>the Synth Rack that allows you to load soft synths and select
>patches – not a bad paradigm for Logic to grab on to.

I can't help thinking that there's no easy universal solution.

FM7 has a Library page that shows 4 banks of 32 presets each. It's 
very nice to see so many patches at once, but that restricts you as 
well, because you need to keep opening new banks for more sounds.

I have a demo of Kontakt and I rather like their approach. There is 
an upper window which shows a hierarchical tree of your drive and the 
lower window shows the possible instruments in the selected folder. 
Certainly easier than EXS24 or Spectrasonics 
Stylus/Atmosphere/Trilogy.

I'd like the option of a "library window" for EXS24 which does the 
same as Kontakt. Takes up some screen space, but saves you plenty 
angst and tension click-holding through layers of nested folders......

Does anyone from Emagic ever read this forum anymore?

Regards - Colin

I gotta get in on this and say this is a huge issue for me too. If I didn't
have a custom made footswitch mouse button these menus would be almost
un-useable for me. The mouse is the enemy, as far as I am concerned(years of
struggle with tendonitis etc.)

On the other hand I think our biggest ally computer wise is the ability to
represent data visually, graphically, in ways that minimize the need to get
into the left half of the brain so much. With a big sample library, there's
a lot of data to absorb, become familiar with, and access, and I agree that
it is very important to be able to do this easily.

I'm intrigued by the menu navigation system in OS X. I haven't spent a lot
of time with it, but I think it's a step in the right direction. Maybe
there's a model here to be learned from? Drilling down to the appropriate
sub-folder has to be one of the biggest drags about computers.

blah, blah...

Darcy

There is a new file search function in the Logic 6, i saw it at NAMM didn't get
the exact specifics and kinda strolled up halfway thru' the demo but its kinda
like Sherlock on the Mac where you can search your whole Harddrive or specify
where to search then you can audition sound files in this window quickly and
easily.











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On a fine day, 06-02-2003, Sascha Franck wrote:

>Anyways, I totally agree with you, the patch selection menu could be vastly
>improved.
>What about a standard (resizeable) open dialog that stays open as long as
>you found what you wanted?

Why not a standard Finder-like window (oops, you're on PC :), showing 
a list of all subfolder, with an 'expansion triangle' that shows the 
content of the subfolder if you click it, etc?  And then use a 
similar window for plugin presets as well.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

Hendrik Jan Veenstra" wrote:
> Why not a standard Finder-like window (oops, you're on PC :), showing
> a list of all subfolder, with an 'expansion triangle' that shows the
> content of the subfolder if you click it, etc?  And then use a
> similar window for plugin presets as well.

Sure.
I don't think it makes that much sense using anything new here, so the
OS-based "open" or "load" dialogs that people are used to anyways only would
make sense.
But my main point was the "preview in context" thing. VSampler (PC only) has
exactly that. You get a plain, explorer-style "open" menu with an additional
preview option. This is just great and comfortable. Of course you can resize
that box as much as you want, so in case you got large directory you just
drag it across all your monitor estate.

Sascha

Darcy wrote:
>I'm intrigued by the menu navigation system in OS X. I haven't spent a lot
>of time with it, but I think it's a step in the right direction. Maybe
>there's a model here to be learned from? Drilling down to the appropriate
>sub-folder has to be one of the biggest drags about computers.

I'm sure you mean Column view in OSX - it's the best thing to happen in years.

Now, I want that in EXS24, ES2, Atmosphere, Stylus, Trilogy.

Anyone listening.....?

Regards - Colin

On a fine day, 07-02-2003, Sascha Franck wrote:

>But my main point was the "preview in context" thing. VSampler (PC only) has
>exactly that. You get a plain, explorer-style "open" menu with an additional
>preview option. This is just great and comfortable. Of course you can resize
>that box as much as you want, so in case you got large directory you just
>drag it across all your monitor estate.

Yes, that would be vewy vewy cool :).  Years ago I wrote a librarian 
for my M1 which had the exact same function: click on a patch and it 
would be sent to the M1 and a note would play.  The patch would not 
be stored (written) however, so that you could audition all your 
patches from the computer (or from the M1 directly) without 
destroying internal memory.  One more click and you were back to the 
original internal setup.  Very helpful when you have hundreds or 
thousands of patches.
I agree that the EXS could do with a makeover in this respect. 
Click-hold on a menu, navigating 4 folders deep, picking patch 28, 
waiting till it's loaded, playing, deciding this is not it, going 
back to the menu again and trying patch 43...  etc.  Well, we've all 
been there, so who am I writing this to anyway? :-)

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com