EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I bought the EXS24 Sampler a few months ago and still haven't used it 
in production yet. I need a good audio card for my PC.  I am running 
Windows ME, P3/650, 512MB Ram.  I use a Mackie 32:8 Bus analog mixer, 
so the Hammerfall isn't an option unless I get Alesis AI3 converters 
and that is more than I wanted to spend for now. How about MOTU 
2408?  Looking at the overall DAW solution, the MOTU 2408 seems like 
a good place to start. Does this work well?  If not, any suggestions 
for a good ASIO2 card with 8 or more analog outputs?  Also, I had 
been using a Yamaha A3000, will the EXS24 really live up to its 
expectations?  I'm hoping so as I am betting my future on it!  :-/

Regards,
Mark

Hey Mark,

I don't know what the best card would be for you, but DO NOT buy a MOTU 
product. Their support for PC users is terrible. If you buy a MOTU product 
for the PC, expect incompatabilities, poor custumer support, and eventually 
to lose your investment as a new version of Windows comes along and they 
decide not to provide upgraded drivers.

Thomas

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:15 -0000

From: Mark_L_Holloway@...
Subject: Best Audio Card

I bought the EXS24 Sampler a few months ago and still haven't used it
in production yet. I need a good audio card for my PC.  I am running
Windows ME, P3/650, 512MB Ram.  I use a Mackie 32:8 Bus analog mixer,
so the Hammerfall isn't an option unless I get Alesis AI3 converters
and that is more than I wanted to spend for now. How about MOTU
2408?  Looking at the overall DAW solution, the MOTU 2408 seems like
a good place to start. Does this work well?

I hear complaints on the Mac side as well. I know a guy who's trying to sell
his motu for $850 so he can go for the hammerfall... Jer

> From: Thomas <thomas@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:51:37 -0500
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] Re: Best Audio Card
> 
> Hey Mark,
> 
> I don't know what the best card would be for you, but DO NOT buy a MOTU
> product. Their support for PC users is terrible. If you buy a MOTU product
> for the PC, expect incompatabilities, poor custumer support, and eventually
> to lose your investment as a new version of Windows comes along and they
> decide not to provide upgraded drivers.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> ------------
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:15 -0000
> From: Mark_L_Holloway@...
> Subject: Best Audio Card
> 
> I bought the EXS24 Sampler a few months ago and still haven't used it
> in production yet. I need a good audio card for my PC.  I am running
> Windows ME, P3/650, 512MB Ram.  I use a Mackie 32:8 Bus analog mixer,
> so the Hammerfall isn't an option unless I get Alesis AI3 converters
> and that is more than I wanted to spend for now. How about MOTU
> 2408?  Looking at the overall DAW solution, the MOTU 2408 seems like
> a good place to start. Does this work well?
> 
> 
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I have a G3 PowerBook and am considering the new PCMCIA Hammerfall card,
which uses the same driver as the PCI card. I'd like to know more about the
AI3 ADAT to Analog converter. Can you give me a Web link so I can look into
this as well? Thanks in advance.

> I have a Mackie Analog 32:8 mixer.  I could buy the Hammerfall but I would
> also need an Alesis AI3 ADAT -> ANALOG converter.  I want the 8 analog
> outputs so I can assign my drum parts and ES1 synth to various outputs.
> 
> Mark

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Logic Audio Platinum 4.6.3
384 MB of Ram
Digigram VX Pocket sound card (driver 2.6.0)
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Thank yo for the heads up.  That's too bad that they don't support the 
Windows community so well, as that's such a huge market.  Not to mention, 8 
analog i/o and 3 ADAT i/o is killer!  I've heard good things about the Echo 
products, and the Echo Layla-24 (8 analog i/o, SPDIF i/o, 16/24 bit support) 
works well under Windows 98 and ME including the ASIO2 drivers (and  Win 
2000, but  I don't use that now since Logic doesn't work)..  I like the 
concept of MOTU Audio Wire and having up to 3 devices, of which there are a 
lot of options to choose from.  I almost thought about getting a Mac G4, but 
I have been a Windows user for years and know the OS in and out.  Plus, it's 
easy to build/upgrade intel machines and usually is not that expensive.  My 
only problem is I have one machine that is PIII/650 using ASUS VIA 
motherboard, and an AMD Athlon 1Ghz using ASUS A7V motherboard with VIA 
chipset.  I have all the latest patches and bios for these motherboards, but 
some have said the VIA stinks.  Others said the VIA is good now, but it did 
suck when it first came out.  My AMD 1Ghz has Ultra ATA-100 hard drive 
controllers and I have a 20GB 7200 RPM for the system, and a 30GB 7200 RPM 
for audio/storage.  I'd hate to get the wrong audio card and find out the 
manufacturer isn't supporting Windows too well.. Anyway, thank you so much 
for the heads up!

Regards,
Mark



>From: Thomas <thomas@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [exs] Re: Best Audio Card
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:51:37 -0500
>
>Hey Mark,
>
>I don't know what the best card would be for you, but DO NOT buy a MOTU
>product. Their support for PC users is terrible. If you buy a MOTU product
>for the PC, expect incompatabilities, poor custumer support, and eventually
>to lose your investment as a new version of Windows comes along and they
>decide not to provide upgraded drivers.
>
>Thomas
>
>------------
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:58:15 -0000
>From: Mark_L_Holloway@...
>Subject: Best Audio Card
>
>I bought the EXS24 Sampler a few months ago and still haven't used it
>in production yet. I need a good audio card for my PC.  I am running
>Windows ME, P3/650, 512MB Ram.  I use a Mackie 32:8 Bus analog mixer,
>so the Hammerfall isn't an option unless I get Alesis AI3 converters
>and that is more than I wanted to spend for now. How about MOTU
>2408?  Looking at the overall DAW solution, the MOTU 2408 seems like
>a good place to start. Does this work well?
>

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I have a Mackie Analog 32:8 mixer.  I could buy the Hammerfall but I would 
also need an Alesis AI3 ADAT -> ANALOG converter.  I want the 8 analog 
outputs so I can assign my drum parts and ES1 synth to various outputs.  I 
use a Transient Designer for compression off the Mackie for amazing kicks 
and snares.  I will be buying a card with ADAT anyway just so I can have the 
abilit to import from my Fostex 1624 or someone elses ADAT if they need to 
dump it.

Mark


>From: Edmund Eagan <ed@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Best Audio Card
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:39:38 -0800
>
>on 3/15/01 6:51 AM, Thomas at thomas@... wrote:
>
>I don't know about the PC side, but on the Mac my Hammerfall card works 
>very
>well. Lot's of I/O and low latency.
>-- --- -- -- --
>Edmund Eagan
>http://www.twelfthroot.com/
>

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Firewire is a different matter altogether. This device (theoretically) has
many advantages, and I've heard a lot about it (so far so good). Keep tabs
on this product. I am not saying that the brand MOTU 2408 sucks by any
means. I just don't suggest it over other solutions. I'm sure the 2408 is as
good as my VXPocket. Watch the reviews of the Firewire device for a solid
response, but definitely don't generalize MOTU on a criticism of one device
for ASIO. I may still test out the MOTU Firewire device before springing for
the Hammerfall-laptop solution. -Jer

> From: "Toranaga" <toranaga@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:47:12 +0100
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Best Audio Card
> 
> Hi,
> I´m very interested (and sad) to hear about the MOTU issues, because I was
> strongly considering their new Firewire interface for my laptop.
> I saw most of the upcoming new solutions for laptops at Musikmesse, the MOTU
> as well as the Hammerfall PCMCIA looked both very promising (not taking in
> account any experiences with drivers, support and general experience with
> the companies). The big advantage of the Hammerfall PCMCIA is of course the
> different breakout-boxes they will offer - for different connection needs,
> and apparently the PCMCIA-version uses the same tested driver the "regular"
> Hammerfall uses...
> For Audio cards n general (not laptop): I´m personally very satisfied with
> my Midiman/M-Audio Delta1010 - although there apparently are some issues
> with driver updates not taking in account the wishes of the users and
> general support, the quality of the Delta series is excellent.
> For info about the Alesis AI-3 look here:
> http://www.alesis.com/products/ai3/index.html
> The price for one unit (in Germany) is about 1300,-- - 1400,-- DEM.
> 
> I would be interested in more opinions / infos about the MOTU Firewire,
> Hammerfall PCMCIA, Emagic EMI 2|6 and other possibly good solutions for
> laptop...
> 
> Regards, Tora
> 
> 
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>

Hi,
I\ufffdm very interested (and sad) to hear about the MOTU issues, because I was
strongly considering their new Firewire interface for my laptop.
I saw most of the upcoming new solutions for laptops at Musikmesse, the MOTU
as well as the Hammerfall PCMCIA looked both very promising (not taking in
account any experiences with drivers, support and general experience with
the companies). The big advantage of the Hammerfall PCMCIA is of course the
different breakout-boxes they will offer - for different connection needs,
and apparently the PCMCIA-version uses the same tested driver the "regular"
Hammerfall uses...
For Audio cards n general (not laptop): I\ufffdm personally very satisfied with
my Midiman/M-Audio Delta1010 - although there apparently are some issues
with driver updates not taking in account the wishes of the users and
general support, the quality of the Delta series is excellent.
For info about the Alesis AI-3 look here:
http://www.alesis.com/products/ai3/index.html
The price for one unit (in Germany) is about 1300,-- - 1400,-- DEM.

I would be interested in more opinions / infos about the MOTU Firewire,
Hammerfall PCMCIA, Emagic EMI 2|6 and other possibly good solutions for
laptop...

Regards, Tora

My guess is that because G4 Macs and Powerbooks come with Firewire, MOTU has 
the intention of making Mac a higher priority than Intel.  Currently, most 
Intel machines do not come with Firewire, but it is an add-on card you buy 
for the PCI bus.  Some manufacturers (Sony, Toshiba) do include Firewire in 
their laptops and desktops.

Mark



>From: "HELP@..." <HELP@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Best Audio Card
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:03:09 -0400
>
>Firewire is a different matter altogether. This device (theoretically) has
>many advantages, and I've heard a lot about it (so far so good). Keep tabs
>on this product. I am not saying that the brand MOTU 2408 sucks by any
>means. I just don't suggest it over other solutions. I'm sure the 2408 is 
>as
>good as my VXPocket. Watch the reviews of the Firewire device for a solid
>response, but definitely don't generalize MOTU on a criticism of one device
>for ASIO. I may still test out the MOTU Firewire device before springing 
>for
>the Hammerfall-laptop solution. -Jer
>
> > From: "Toranaga" <toranaga@...>
> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:47:12 +0100
> > To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Best Audio Card
> >
> > Hi,
> > I\ufffdm very interested (and sad) to hear about the MOTU issues, because I 
>was
> > strongly considering their new Firewire interface for my laptop.
> > I saw most of the upcoming new solutions for laptops at Musikmesse, the 
>MOTU
> > as well as the Hammerfall PCMCIA looked both very promising (not taking 
>in
> > account any experiences with drivers, support and general experience 
>with
> > the companies). The big advantage of the Hammerfall PCMCIA is of course 
>the
> > different breakout-boxes they will offer - for different connection 
>needs,
> > and apparently the PCMCIA-version uses the same tested driver the 
>"regular"
> > Hammerfall uses...
> > For Audio cards n general (not laptop): I\ufffdm personally very satisfied 
>with
> > my Midiman/M-Audio Delta1010 - although there apparently are some issues
> > with driver updates not taking in account the wishes of the users and
> > general support, the quality of the Delta series is excellent.
> > For info about the Alesis AI-3 look here:
> > http://www.alesis.com/products/ai3/index.html
> > The price for one unit (in Germany) is about 1300,-- - 1400,-- DEM.
> >
> > I would be interested in more opinions / infos about the MOTU Firewire,
> > Hammerfall PCMCIA, Emagic EMI 2|6 and other possibly good solutions for
> > laptop...
> >
> > Regards, Tora
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>

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on 3/15/01 6:51 AM, Thomas at thomas@... wrote:

I don't know about the PC side, but on the Mac my Hammerfall card works very
well. Lot's of I/O and low latency.
-- --- -- -- --
Edmund Eagan
http://www.twelfthroot.com/

I know I've been touting the Hammerfall, but I second this response since
Emagic works extremely hard to reduce latency and maximize compatibility
with Logic. Thanks for the tip!

> I would go for the emagic emi 2|6; i played with it at the
> frankfurter messe and it played fine (no hearable latency) and it has
> 6 analogue outputs...
> 
> --- In exs-users@y..., Mark_L_Holloway@h... wrote:
>> I bought the EXS24 Sampler a few months ago and still haven't used
> it 
>> in production yet. I need a good audio card for my PC.  I am
> running 
>> Windows ME, P3/650, 512MB Ram.  I use a Mackie 32:8 Bus analog
> mixer, 
>> so the Hammerfall isn't an option unless I get Alesis AI3
> converters 
>> and that is more than I wanted to spend for now. How about MOTU
>> 2408?  Looking at the overall DAW solution, the MOTU 2408 seems
> like 
>> a good place to start. Does this work well?  If not, any
> suggestions 
>> for a good ASIO2 card with 8 or more analog outputs?  Also, I had
>> been using a Yamaha A3000, will the EXS24 really live up to its
>> expectations?  I'm hoping so as I am betting my future on it!  :-/
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Mark
> 
> 
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I would go for the emagic emi 2|6; i played with it at the 
frankfurter messe and it played fine (no hearable latency) and it has 
6 analogue outputs...

--- In exs-users@y..., Mark_L_Holloway@h... wrote:
> I bought the EXS24 Sampler a few months ago and still haven't used 
it 
> in production yet. I need a good audio card for my PC.  I am 
running 
> Windows ME, P3/650, 512MB Ram.  I use a Mackie 32:8 Bus analog 
mixer, 
> so the Hammerfall isn't an option unless I get Alesis AI3 
converters 
> and that is more than I wanted to spend for now. How about MOTU 
> 2408?  Looking at the overall DAW solution, the MOTU 2408 seems 
like 
> a good place to start. Does this work well?  If not, any 
suggestions 

> for a good ASIO2 card with 8 or more analog outputs?  Also, I had 
> been using a Yamaha A3000, will the EXS24 really live up to its 
> expectations?  I'm hoping so as I am betting my future on it!  :-/
> 
> Regards,
> Mark

Hiya gang
Does any of you have an idea when 4.7 will appear. I am getting a little bit
impatient now. Not pretty I know but I could really use all the new features
as I use it every day.
Peace
Lee

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