EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

love the Bardstown Bosendorfer, but would love it more if every time 
I open it in EXS, I didn't get the message : 'Not enough memory to 
load all samples of instrument Bosendorfer' - thus a few Gs and Fs 
turn up missing  - I'm running LAM 4.6.3 on a G4, OS 9.2, and I have 
1.25 gigs of RAM - do I just have to get more memory, or any other 
advice from the EXS ether?

thanks

Tony
-- 
Marianne Davidson
2/11 Castlefield St
Bondi NSW 2026
Australia
612.9365 0653

Just to be is a blessing. Just to live is holy. (Rabbi Herschel)

At 07:19 PM 4/21/03 +1000, you wrote: 
>
> love the Bardstown Bosendorfer, but would love it more if every time 
> I open it in EXS, I didn't get the message : 'Not enough memory to 
> load all samples of instrument Bosendorfer' - thus a few Gs and Fs 
> turn up missing  - I'm running LAM 4.6.3 on a G4, OS 9.2, and I have 
> 1.25 gigs of RAM - do I just have to get more memory, or any other 
> advice from the EXS ether?



Activate Virtual Sample Memory -- the instrument will load only the beginning
of each sample into RAM and stream the rest from disk as required. To switch it
on  you need to go to the bottom of the options menu on the EXS 24 and FIND
Virtual Memory. There was discussion of the settings for this on this list in
the last couple of days.

Regards,
Murray

>thanks Murray

however the Virtual Sample Memory function doesn't seem to appear in 
EXS 24 Mk 1, hey ho, another reason to upgrade I guess

cheers

Tony

>  > love the Bardstown Bosendorfer, but would love it more if every time
>>  I open it in EXS, I didn't get the message : 'Not enough memory to
>>  load all samples of instrument Bosendorfer' - thus a few Gs and Fs
>>  turn up missing  - I'm running LAM 4.6.3 on a G4, OS 9.2, and I have
>>  1.25 gigs of RAM - do I just have to get more memory, or any other
>>  advice from the EXS ether?
>
>
>Activate Virtual Sample Memory -- the instrument will load only the beginning
>of each sample into RAM and stream the rest from disk as required. 
>To switch it
>on  you need to go to the bottom of the options menu on the EXS 24 and FIND
>Virtual Memory. There was discussion of the settings for this on this list in
>the last couple of days.
>
>Regards,
>Murray
>
-- 
Marianne Davidson
2/11 Castlefield St
Bondi NSW 2026
Australia
612.9365 0653

Just to be is a blessing. Just to live is holy. (Rabbi Herschel)

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Tony Backhouse & Marianne Davidson 
<tonyb@a...> wrote:
> >thanks Murray
> 
> however the Virtual Sample Memory function doesn't seem to appear 
in 
> EXS 24 Mk 1, hey ho, another reason to upgrade I guess
> 
> cheers
> 
> Tony

Oh yes it does. Do you have the extension in your system folder? It 
is available somewhere within the downloads section of the Mothership.

Bob Vandiver

>
> Tony Backhouse & Marianne Davidson wrote 
>
> > however the Virtual Sample Memory function doesn't seem to appear 
> in 
> > EXS 24 Mk 1, hey ho, another reason to upgrade I guess


EXS24 is part of Logic's code so there have been some changes with each Logic
release -- not just one big change from EXS24 MkI to MkII. Logic 4.8 will work
with the virtual memory on a Macaccording to posts on this list that were made
at the time but you need to download and install the files that support the
virtual memory function -- they were available on the Emagic web site.

As of Logic 5.0 the EXS24 supported the VM stuff and the Logic installer (at
least on PC) installed the files automatically. So if you have PC version 4.8
you may not be able to get this going without upgrading to PC Logic 5.X.

Regards,
Murray

thanks Murray and all for that advice - 4.8.1 does support the VSM 
and the BB is goin' off

cheers

Tony
-- 
Tony Backhouse
2/11 Castlefield St
Bondi NSW 2026
Australia
612.9365 0653
tonyb@...

http://www.tonybackhouse.com.au

Just to be is a blessing. Just to live is holy. (Rabbi Herschel)

I thought I should post these tips as they may help folks who will be 
installing the Vienna Symphonic Library for EXS24.
These were also posted to the VSL forum. They apply to Logic v6 with 
Project Manager.

Part one:
I started to get really frustrated waiting minutes for each VSL 
instrument to load into EXS24. Then I realised that the time was 
taken finding the samples for each preset. I fired up the Project 
Manager in Logic and requested a scan, and it really was worth the 
wait.

Now, each time I want to preview an instrument, it only takes a 
couple of seconds and it's ready to play. So, hit scan, go have a 
bath, lunch and a few cups of tea.....you won't be sorry.

Part two- more info:

All of the file references for EXS/VSL instruments in Project Manager 
are unresolved if you install VSL by simply copying all of the DVD 
files in the Mac Finder. The sample files all read 
<Ice_Cube_VSL1:DLS-Giga Samples etc etc> - this was obviously the 
original file path saved with all the instruments.

I realise now I should have tried the <Functions><Install files 
from...> command. The Logic 6 manual says that this is way to do 
things from now on. Pity I found that a day too late! If any new user 
tries this, please post the results here.

To remedy the unresolved files, you have to select all the EXS 
instruments with red triangles and then choose <Functions><Find 
unresolved file references for selected items>

And don't walk away from your screen.....you'll get lots of alerts 
asking you to choose between 2 possible matches. Generally, I'm 
finding it's the first choice, but I'm having to watch file names 
carefully.

On the positive side, a large instrument like <Strings_all_EN> which 
took several minutes to load this morning now loads in a few seconds.

Hope this helps someone out there. . . . .

Regards - Colin

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While going through the procedure of converting the SAM Trombones library 
to EXS24 format on my Mac, I tried to find a way to force Logic to place 
the converted files on the drive I have designated for EXS samples. EXS 
creates a folder called "DLS-Giga Samples" within the Logic folder for this 
purpose, but since Logic resides on my System drive, which is my smallest 
drive, converting large libraries becomes a problem. I created an alias of 
the same name, pointed to a folder on the proper drive, but Logic still 
created a new folder for each conversion, filling up the system drive and 
forcing me to periodically move the files.  A minor annoyance, but there 
must be a way to re-direct EXS to a different location. Or is there? 
Nothing in the preferences or help files that I could find.

LAMP 5.5 (hope to install 6 this weekend)
OS 9.2.2

Sean,

IMHO, you should not store your audio files in the same place as your 
System. Do you know about partitioning your hard-drive? You can divide your 
hd into individual sections or partitions. This will keep your System 
fairly clean, uncluttered, which will reduce the chance of fragmentation (a 
process which can eventually 'confuse' your system or any partition, for 
that matter).

My advice, if you can afford it, is to get a separate hard-drive for all 
your audio needs. They're really not expensive anymore. Get an 80 gig or 
something, divide it into 4 x 20 gig partitions (or whatever size you 
like), and install Logic on one of them. All your Giga/AKAI/EXS sample 
files can sit in your Logic folder, and the other partitions can be for 
your mixes, and video stuff, etc.

Ned


http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

At 05:59 PM 04/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Sean,
>
>IMHO, you should not store your audio files in the same place as your
>System. ...


Ned--

Thanks for the good advice, but I was obviously unclear in my previous 
post. I'm an experienced user with multiple drives and partitions dedicated 
to the proper functions.  The problem I so poorly explained is that Logic 
automatically creates the Giga convert folder inside the Logic folder, 
which is not on my dedicated sample drive. (I know I could move Logic, but 
for organizational purposes I do prefer to keep my software installations 
on the system drive)  I tried creating an alias to my sample drive but that 
didn't work. What I'm hoping is that Logic/EXS24 has an option for 
specifying the location of the converted Giga files, and that I've just 
missed it.

Sean McCoy
Oregon Sound Recording

Oooops! Oh well, maybe that advice will be good for someone else on this 
list! Sorry I can't be of help when it comes to this specific Giga location 
problem.

Ned

Sean McCoy wrote:
>  I'm an experienced user with multiple drives and partitions dedicated
> to the proper functions...



http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Here's an idea! Why don't we change the name of this list from EXS-USERS to
GIGA IMPORTS?

Ok... just kidding! -Jer

> Oooops! Oh well, maybe that advice will be good for someone else on this
> list! Sorry I can't be of help when it comes to this specific Giga location
> problem.
> 
> Ned




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Sean (osr@...) wrote: 

>
> . I'm an experienced user with multiple drives and partitions dedicated 
> to the proper functions.  The problem I so poorly explained is that Logic 
> automatically creates the Giga convert folder inside the Logic folder, 
> which is not on my dedicated sample drive. (I know I could move Logic, but 
> for organizational purposes I do prefer to keep my software installations 
> on the system drive)  I tried creating an alias to my sample drive but that 
> didn't work. What I'm hoping is that Logic/EXS24 has an option for 
> specifying the location of the converted Giga files, and that I've just 
> missed it.


Logic just uses that default location from what I can see -- there is no option
to redirect the saving of DLS/giga samples. However, you can just move all the
folders of samples to your audio samples drive/partition manually. Logic will
search for them when you load each of the instruments the first time. When it
finds them it will save the new locations to the instrument. 

The downside to this is that the searching can be pretty slow if you have
several large drives -- you can be left staring at the hourglass for 30 or 60
seconds. To speed things up,  load all the instruments in a related set in
succession -- it seems that the search routine looks in the last tried folder
first. 

Regards,
Murray

At 02:42 PM 04/27/2003 +1000, you wrote:

>Logic just uses that default location from what I can see -- there is no 
>option
>to redirect the saving of DLS/giga samples. However, you can just move all the
>folders of samples to your audio samples drive/partition manually.

Yeah, this is what I've been doing, and it's a bit of a pain. An option for 
specifying conversion locations would be in order from a future update.

> 
> 
>> >Logic just uses that default location from what I can see -- there is no
>> >option
>> >to redirect the saving of DLS/giga samples. However, you can just move all
>> the
>> >folders of samples to your audio samples drive/partition manually.
> 

I just converted 1 Giga file into exs, then I copied the newly created
folder in the Logic folder (it was the 1st Giga file I converted) to my
Audio Drive & put an alias in the Logic folder. Then I let the Project
manager run to find the related samples (which went pretty fast, because I
only converted one instrument). After that, all the Giga instruments I
convert automatically got put into the folder on my Audio Drive!

I agree that this is somehow a PITA, but it seems to work.

Hope this helps,


gilles


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> 
> And don't walk away from your screen.....you'll get lots of alerts
> asking you to choose between 2 possible matches. Generally, I'm
> finding it's the first choice, but I'm having to watch file names
> carefully
> 
> 
> You¹re right, for me it¹s also usually the 1st one BUT when I scanned &
> reorganised my 40 GB of Sample library (which took me 2 days, but it was worth
> it!!!), I gave the wrong location in 5 cases (i.e. Choose the wrong sample).
> Unfortunately, I haven¹t found a way to tell the Project Manager that you want
> to change a file reference... If anybody knows how to do that PLEASE tell
> me!!!



Cheers,

Gilles


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On a fine day, 01-05-2003, Gilles Ruppert wrote:

>You're right, for me it's also usually the 1st one BUT when I scanned &
>reorganised my 40 GB of Sample library (which took me 2 days, but it was worth
>it!!!), I gave the wrong location in 5 cases (i.e. Choose the wrong sample).
>Unfortunately, I haven't found a way to tell the Project Manager that you want
>to change a file reference... If anybody knows how to do that PLEASE tell
>me!!!

If you still remember which 5 those were (and I suppose you do, since 
how else would you still know there were exactly 5 mistakes?), you 
can open the instrument inthe EXS editor, open the offending zone, 
and assign a new (i.e. the correct) sample to it.  Save the 
instrument.  Basta.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

I posted this on the VSL forum but these bugs apply to all EXS24 users

Bug#1: Here's a nasty one:
Select an EXS24 instrument (eg VI-14_sus_basic-EN.exs)
Open the EXS24 Instrument Editor and modify a few settings.
Close the window - you get an alert asking you if you want to save or 
not. DON'T save.

Select another instrument, then go back to VI-14_sus_basic-EN.exs
Open the Editor.
Even though you chose NOT to save changes, the instrument will still 
be in the edited state in which you last left it.

Not even closing the song helps - you have to quit Logic to reset the 
instrument. I don't know if the Project Manager is at fault, perhaps 
retaining settings in a buffer of some kind.

This is a serious bug and completely inhibits a user when editing instruments.

Bug#2: Warning: Re-lock your files

I found that after some editing experiments (and choosing NOT to save 
any of my edits), some instrument files had new dates with the 
current time - in other words, Logic or the Project Manager had 
somehow decided to overwrite the .exs files.

Until these bugs are fixed, I have locked all my instrument files 
again (thank you Golden Key!) until further notice. I don't feel like 
having to re-install from DVD every time I try out some experiments.

I have forwarded these bugs to Emagic.

Regards - Colin

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On a fine day, 01-05-2003, Colin Shapiro wrote:

>Bug#1: Here's a nasty one:
>Select an EXS24 instrument (eg VI-14_sus_basic-EN.exs)
>Open the EXS24 Instrument Editor and modify a few settings.
>Close the window - you get an alert asking you if you want to save or
>not. DON'T save.
>
>Select another instrument, then go back to VI-14_sus_basic-EN.exs
>Open the Editor.
>Even though you chose NOT to save changes, the instrument will still
>be in the edited state in which you last left it.
>
>Not even closing the song helps - you have to quit Logic to reset the
>instrument. I don't know if the Project Manager is at fault, perhaps
>retaining settings in a buffer of some kind.

Something like this has been around for a long time.  In LA5.5 (and 
probably prior to that): Open EXS editor, edit an instrument, close 
editor without saving, even remove EXS from the insert slot.  Now 
quit Logic, and it'll ask you if you want to save the instrument. 
What the f*?  I guess this is the exact same problem.

>Bug#2: Warning: Re-lock your files
>I found that after some editing experiments (and choosing NOT to save
>any of my edits), some instrument files had new dates with the
>current time - in other words, Logic or the Project Manager had
>somehow decided to overwrite the .exs files.

Whether this is a bug or not depends.  The 1st time you load an 
instrument, the EXS goes looking for the samples, and when found, 
writes the complete filepath into the instrument file -- thus indeed 
changing them (but for the better).  Of course the next time you load 
the same instrument, the file should remain untouched.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

>I just converted 1 Giga file into exs, then I copied the newly created
>folder in the Logic folder (it was the 1st Giga file I converted) to my
>Audio Drive & put an alias in the Logic folder.


You lost me---did you leave the "DNS-Giga Samples" folder in the Logic 
folder intact, and leave the alias to the converted instrument in that 
folder as well?  I haven't tried that.

>Then I let the Project
>manager run to find the related samples (which went pretty fast, because I
>only converted one instrument). After that, all the Giga instruments I
>convert automatically got put into the folder on my Audio Drive!

Did they convert directly into new folders on the audio drive, bypassing 
the "DNS-Giga Samples" directory in the Logic folder altogether? If so, 
that's strange---maybe the Project Manager is the key. I really need to 
install 6.0!


>I agree that this is somehow a PITA, but it seems to work.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>
>gilles


Thanks for the help. I'll keep trying stuff.

Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
>  >Bug#2: Warning: Re-lock your files
>>I found that after some editing experiments (and choosing NOT to save
>>any of my edits), some instrument files had new dates with the
>>current time - in other words, Logic or the Project Manager had
>>somehow decided to overwrite the .exs files.
>
>Whether this is a bug or not depends.  The 1st time you load an
>instrument, the EXS goes looking for the samples, and when found,
>writes the complete filepath into the instrument file -- thus indeed
>changing them (but for the better).  Of course the next time you load
>the same instrument, the file should remain untouched.

Well, I just spent about 2 days (on and off) resolving the filepaths 
for all the VSL instruments, and obviously they were re-written with 
the correct data.

However, as you say, the file should now remain in its semi-virginal 
state (so to speak) but that was not the case.

Maybe in 6.2 or 6.3 . . . . . . .

Regards - Colin

On 2/5/03 15:02, "Sean McCoy" <osr@...> wrote:

> 
>>> >>I just converted 1 Giga file into exs, then I copied the newly created
>>> >>folder in the Logic folder (it was the 1st Giga file I converted) to my
>>> >>Audio Drive & put an alias in the Logic folder.
> 
> 
>> >You lost me---did you leave the "DNS-Giga Samples" folder in the Logic
>> >folder intact, and leave the alias to the converted instrument in that
>> >folder as well?  I haven't tried that.
> 
> 
> Sorry, explanation was a bit Œshaky¹ ;-))
> I first copied the DNS-Giga Samples folder to my Audio drive, then deleted the
> original in the Logic Folder & put an alias of the copied folder (from Audio
> Drive) into the Logic folder. AFAIK, you can¹t have a folder & alias with the
> same name in the same folder.
> 
> 
> 
>>> >>Then I let the Project
>>> >>manager run to find the related samples (which went pretty fast, because I
>>> >>only converted one instrument). After that, all the Giga instruments I
>>> >>convert automatically got put into the folder on my Audio Drive!
> 
>> >Did they convert directly into new folders on the audio drive, bypassing
>> >the "DNS-Giga Samples" directory in the Logic folder altogether? If so,
>> >that's strange---maybe the Project Manager is the key. I really need to
>> >install 6.0!
> 
> Yes, the files directly converted into the new folder. I don¹t know whether
> that is due to the PM or not.
> 
> Hope this helps (& that the explanation is less shaky ;-)),
> 
> Gilles
> 



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