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Hi

I do remember reading or hearing once, that a good way to go to get your 
hands on a reasonably affordable 6-string bass was to get a baritone guitar 
(fretted or unfretted as per choice) and then string it with some specially 
made D'Addarios. If I remember, the type particularly mentioned was the 
XL155. I could be wrong on the model number because I didn't write it down 
straight away although I meant to.

Do any of you out there have any experience of doing something like this?

Seems like it could be a good way to go because from what I've seen one can 
get perfectly reasonable (fretted) baritones starting at around the 
$400-$600 mark (please don't laugh at me!!!). But ... I really wouldn't 
want to do this, with my present relative lack of funds, if it turned out 
that the sounds and possibilities were not quite what I wanted and that in 
the long run it had been a waste of time and money.

I'm quite prepared to go down to my local music shop to see if they'd get 
some of those strings in, then pick up a baritone, and plead with them to 
string one up and let me play around with it for a while ... but what with 
the vast experience that I'm sure is present amongst you lot, I kind of 
figured that this would be as good a good place as any to start.

Any of you got any thoughts on this? Or done anything like it?
Do those D'Addarios do the job they're supposed to, or is there some other 
set of strings that anyone would recommend. You get the picture.

Any input would be very greatly appreciated. My thanks is all you'll get, 
actually, but I hope it'll be enough. (Well ... that and a mention in the 
credits of the hit album that I'll create once I get such an instrument!!)

Thanks.

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Hi Baritone gtr people.

Splattercell wrote:
>> kool,
>> don't know how much help thisall will be, but:
>> the danelectro baritones are cheaper than 400-600 USD; i think they're pretty
>> cool.
> I will definitely go check them out now. Thank you very much.

very interesting!

> 
>> ... you can use a heavier gauge string ...
>> raise the action of the instrument slightly,
>> and then de-tune the instrument more deeply into the bass-range;

nice...
I have a Jerry Jones (not Jenny Jones) baritone guitar and it's a nasty
beast that growls when smack it, really amazing. It cost me about $750 at
some small gtr store in L.A. I know the Danelectro ones are way cheaper but
they also feel cheaper to me. This one is made by hand in Nashville and the
company really does a great job being true to the old Dano but it plays in
tune like a mofo, it's got a truss rod, don'cha know (yeehaw). I haven't
tried de-tuning it but I will now. It's so great sounding I can never put it
down once I pick it up. I try to do all my gigs on it now. It is *supposed
to be* tuned from A (second string of bass gtr) to A, same intervals as
*normal* gtr. when play a low A chord (joe blow E shape on *normal gtr*)
it's the most beautiful sound on the planet. It has a very long scale so
bending is a trip. Things bend more than they would on *normal* scale necks.
I also have a Deering six string banjo which is equally trippy in a
different way, I might try tuning that really low and pretending I'm a bass
player some time, hmmmm....
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Dennis Gunn wrote:

>The Fender Six string baritone has been around for years.  That guy
>who used to play in the Lovin Spoonful and went on to a solo career
>tears one up.

Hi Dennis,
Thanks for the heads-up on that one. I'll check out if Fender have decided 
to continue the line, or make some kind of a substitute.

>  Lately I have been looking for a used one of those.
Good idea.

>  I played one a little it was
>really cool.
That's kind of what I was hoping. I just kind of want to be able to play 
some more lead line licks, little chords, stuff like that, but down there 
in an 'oomphy register'.

>   Not exactly like a modern six string though because
>they are designed to have the low string be a an E rather than a low
>B like on the modern ones.  Have the bottom four strings of a 5
>string bass set on my Fender Jazz bass.  Unfortunately it does not
>really handle the low B as well as a "real" 5 string bass.

Question, though. This intrigues me. Did you at times find that you wished 
you could go lower and growly like 'a real bass'; and ... when you were 
playing higher, did you wish that you could 'cut through a bit more' like a 
'real guitar'. What I'm saying is, was it instinctive to play? Did you find 
it real easy to fall into 'the way' of the baritone, its range, its 
possibilities and such like, or did you find yourself going through a more 
or less extended kind of period of readjustment to what you could do. How 
long did it take before you kind of weren't conscious any more of the fact 
that you had a very different kind of an animal in your hands? Does that 
make sense? Just curious?

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Teddy Kumpel said:

>I have a Jerry Jones (not Jenny Jones) baritone guitar and it's a nasty
>beast that growls when smack it, really amazing.

Hi Teddy,
I eventually went to the D'Addario web site to check those strings I talked 
about earlier, and the info there said that they made those strings 
specifically for the Jerry Jones. What strings do you use?

>It cost me about $750 at some small gtr store in L.A.
That's probably affordable right now.

>I know the Danelectro ones are way cheaper but
>they also feel cheaper to me. This one is made by hand in Nashville
Sounds good. I think that Splattercell only mentioned the Dano's because my 
original mail made it clear that price was going to play a pretty big 
factor in my final decision.

However, I very much enjoyed your description of what it felt like to play, 
so I'll make sure that I spend a while checking them out. And as for what 
Splattercell said about the detuning and stuff, I might try that also. I 
might even rip off the frets and go all Jaco Pastorius. Yeah!!!

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>Hi
>
>I do remember reading or hearing once, that a good way to go to get your
>hands on a reasonably affordable 6-string bass was to get a baritone guitar
>(fretted or unfretted as per choice) and then string it with some specially
>made D'Addarios. If I remember, the type particularly mentioned was the
>XL155. I could be wrong on the model number because I didn't write it down
>straight away although I meant to.

The Fender Six string baritone has been around for years.  That guy 
who used to play in the Lovin Spoonful and went on to a solo career 
tears one up.   They kind of came back into vogue about 6 or 7 years 
ago.  I saw a lot of them in music stores back then.  Lately I have 
been looking for a used one of those.  I played one a little it was 
really cool.  Not exactly like a modern six string though because 
they are designed to have the low string be a an E rather than a low 
B like on the modern ones.  Have the bottom four strings of a 5 
string bass set on my Fender Jazz bass.  Unfortunately it does not 
really handle the low B as well as a "real" 5 string bass.

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> Teddy Kumpel said:
> 
>> I have a Jerry Jones (not Jenny Jones) baritone guitar and it's a nasty
>> beast that growls when you smack it, really amazing.
> 
Keep Kool musik said:

> Hi Teddy,
> I eventually went to the D'Addario web site to check those strings I talked
> about earlier, and the info there said that they made those strings
> specifically for the Jerry Jones. What strings do you use?

When I bought the thing about 4 years ago, I bought 3 packs of strings made
by Jerry Jones himself. I have changed them once since then.
 the numbers are:

lo A= .072
D   = .056
G   = .044
C   = .030
E   = .018
hi A= .013

that is a true baritone gtr tuning. the Fender six you were talking about
with Gunn is not a baritone gtr but a "Fender VI", it is it's own beast
entirely and certainly fine also. I think the baritone gtr I have (and
subsequently any old or new Dano) is very different than the Fenders not
just because of the tuning, but also because the body of the Dano is hollow,
made of masonite, has lipstick pickups and possesses much more of a barking
kind of sound (especially when tortured with funky vigor) than the fender,
which sounds to me like a GIANT STRAT (also good).

 >> I know the Danelectro ones are way cheaper but
>> they also feel cheaper to me. This one is made by hand in Nashville
> Sounds good. I think that Splattercell only mentioned the Dano's because my
> original mail made it clear that price was going to play a pretty big
> factor in my final decision.

yes I know that, and it is the reason I sent you the price I paid.

> 
> However, I very much enjoyed your description of what it felt like to play,
> so I'll make sure that I spend a while checking them out. And as for what
> Splattercell said about the detuning and stuff, I might try that also. I
> might even rip off the frets and go all Jaco Pastorius. Yeah!!!

rip up the frets? yeesh, you're a nut, I love it. I used to have a fretless
gtr that I made from a cheapo $50 gtr. It was sooo fun to play. but then the
neck broke off when I strangled it with too much ferocity, oh well... Marine
Epoxy is fun to play on.

you also mentioned to Gunn:
> I just kind of want to be able to play
> some more lead line licks, little chords, stuff like that, but down there
> in an 'oomphy register'.

my response to that is: you couldn't find a better animal than the Jerry
Jones (or Dano old or new) Baritone Guitar for this. Check out "Chain of
Fools" by Aretha Franklin, that's Duane Allman playing the crazy old Dano
Baritone gtr in the intro. Also many Alt rock artists use the Bari gtr for a
bigger gtr sound on records (Soundgarden comes to mind)... my bari at times
sounds simultaneously like Larry Graham's bass AND the guitar player's gtr
(forgot his name) on Sly and the Family Stone records. Larry used a short
scale mustang bass I think... with flatwounds... ya, like that yo, very
nasty. I used it a little bit on my own record (shameless CD plug begins).
If you want to check it out, it's at www.mp3.com/teddybut the bari gtr comes
in 1/2 way thru the song on "Mommy's Got A Bipolar Disorder", "Happy Ending"
has it everywhere, "We Gotta break Up" has it in the loud parts distorted,
you'll hear it come in like a Wild boar at a polite dinner party after the
second verse, and also at then end of "Get out Of my Way" it's doing the
kind of Larry Graham thing, soft version.

Hope you find what you're looking for. Good Luck.

gtr geek,
Teddy Kumpel
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Hi Teddy,

Kool Musick said:
> > I eventually went to the D'Addario web site to check those strings I talked
> > about earlier, and the info there said that they made those strings
> > specifically for the Jerry Jones. What strings do you use?
>
>When I bought the thing about 4 years ago, I bought 3 packs of strings made
>by Jerry Jones himself.

Thanks a lot for the info about the strings, and also about the proper 
tunings for a baritone as against the Fender VI. I did not know that.

>rip up the frets? yeesh, you're a nut, I love it. I used to have a fretless
>gtr that I made from a cheapo $50 gtr. It was sooo fun to play. but then the
>neck broke off when I strangled it with too much ferocity, oh well... Marine
>Epoxy is fun to play on.
LOL


>my response to that is: you couldn't find a better animal than the Jerry
>Jones (or Dano old or new) Baritone Guitar for this.

OK. I'll try to find one very soon when I go shopping. First, the moolah, 
though. $700 is top end of my budget, but you've made it sound worth the 
extra expense.

>  Check out ...... "Chain of
>Fools" by Aretha Franklin, that's Duane Allman playing the crazy old Dano
>Baritone gtr in the intro.
I can hear it in my head now, but I will give it a closer listen, 
definitely. I did not know that Allman played on that cut, actually.


>  ... my bari at times
>sounds simultaneously like Larry Graham's bass AND the guitar player's gtr
>(forgot his name) on Sly and the Family Stone records.
Sounds good!!

I think the Sly guitarist was Freddie Stewart, Sly's brother?
"The same thing that makes you laugh, can make you cry The same food you 
eat to live, can make you die The same truth you thought you heared, could 
be a lie The same thing..." Yeah. Sheesh am I showing my age!!!

>I used it a little bit on my own record (shameless CD plug begins).
>If you want to check it out, it's at www.mp3.com/teddybut the bari gtr comes
>in 1/2 way thru the song on "Mommy's Got A Bipolar Disorder", "Happy Ending"
>has it everywhere, "We Gotta break Up" has it in the loud parts distorted,
>you'll hear it come in like a Wild boar at a polite dinner party after the
>second verse, and also at then end of "Get out Of my Way" it's doing the
>kind of Larry Graham thing, soft version.

Going to check them out now ....

>Hope you find what you're looking for. Good Luck.

You've been a great help, thank. What with you and Splattercell's input, I 
think I'm doing the right thing to get the sounds I want.

>gtr geek,
>Teddy Kumpel
I'm working on becoming one of those. I'm writing WAY too much about the 
history of mathematics and silly stuff like that at the moment, though. 
Hopefully, I'll wise up soon!!!

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tk>that is a true baritone gtr tuning.

except that there is no 'true' bari-gtr tuning!
personally, i like Bb.....

tk> >> I know the Danelectro ones are way cheaper but
>>> they also feel cheaper to me. This one is made by hand in Nashville

kool>> Sounds good. I think that Splattercell only mentioned the Dano's 
because
>> my original mail made it clear that price was going to play a pretty big
>> factor in my final decision.
actually, i really *like* the dano's, after a good luthier has 'set it up'; i 
don't know, i have a fondness for certain funky instruments.....


kool>> Splattercell said about the detuning and stuff, I might try that also.
>I
>> might even rip off the frets and go all Jaco Pastorius. Yeah!!!

tk>rip up the frets? yeesh, you're a nut, I love it. I used to have a fretless
>gtr that I made from a cheapo $50 gtr. It was sooo fun to play. but then
>the
>neck broke off when I strangled it with too much ferocity
i have 2 fretless gtrs; one very old, & one new godin glissentar --- but i 
also play acoustic & electric oud, so.....

tk>Also many Alt rock artists use the Bari gtr
>for a
>bigger gtr sound on records (Soundgarden comes to mind)... 
afaik, kim t. (soundgarden) detunes gtrs, rather than using baritones.
and: lotsa altrock dudes seem to be playing 7-string gtrs, the last coupla 
years.
me, i usually detune a *standard* 6-string to anywhere between B & Eb, unless 
i have to sight-read.....
best,
dt / splattercell

Dennis Gunn wrote:

>I think you are misunderstanding.
Yes, I did.

>In the low B
>reference I was talking about the bass I normally use which is a
>Fender Jazz bass on which I have the bottom for strings of a 5 string
>*bass* set.
That's the bit I misunderstood!!

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> tk>that is a true baritone gtr tuning.
> 
dt:
> except that there is no 'true' bari-gtr tuning!
> personally, i like Bb.....

I'm just going by what it says on the pack of strings that Jerry Jones made
for the thing, I am not a purist and the presence of the word "true" in my
sentence was not meant to be taken as gospel. I just meant to differentiate
between the Fender 6 (which could also be tunes many ways, I'm sure) and the
Bari gtr. maybe that's what Jerry thinks is the "true" tuning. Maybe that's
how most Nash-villains tune it. Makes sense to me anyway since the word
baritone infers that it be somewhere between a standard gtr and a bass gtr.
I forgot everything I learned in music school so I don't know what a
baritone range in a male voice infers range wise exactly, maybe you know.
Bb, huh? I use a capo on it sometimes but I never tuned it up... from the
"true" tuning that is (he he)

dt:
> actually, i really *like* the dano's, after a good luthier has 'set it up'; i
> don't know, i have a fondness for certain funky instruments.....

I could see that word "funky" going for the old Danos but not the new ones.
For me there's a big difference between old and funky and new and cheap
(funky?). Maybe when they first came out the old Danos were exactly the same
as the new ones, but I'm too young to know. the Jerry Jones feels just as
"funky" (in the garage/grandma's basement smell sense) as the new Dano to
me. For me not changing the strings helps with the funk in the odiferous
sense. the sound smells funkier than with new strings. I suppose it depends
on who's playing it as to the funkiness of the rhythm.  the reason I chose
it over the Dano was because it felt much more solid overall. The bridge is
more adjustable too, not that I've ever touched it since it came setup
really well for my taste. I suspect the Dano's neck will warp over time
(like the old ones) and I'd like to keep mine for a while. I do *like* the
old Dano's pickups a little better than my Jerry Jones', a little darker
sounding, maybe that has to do with aging... (?) what does dt think? coils?
metal used? dunno...

> tk>rip up the frets? yeesh, you're a nut, I love it. I used to have a fretless
>> gtr that I made from a cheapo $50 gtr. It was sooo fun to play. but then
>> the
>> neck broke off when I strangled it with too much ferocity
> i have 2 fretless gtrs; one very old, & one new godin glissentar --- but i
> also play acoustic & electric oud, so.....

glissentar... he he... I like that name, gotta check it out. what is the old
one? Did anyone ever make them commercially before Godin?
 
> tk>Also many Alt rock artists use the Bari gtr
>> for a
>> bigger gtr sound on records (Soundgarden comes to mind)...
> afaik, kim t. (soundgarden) detunes gtrs, rather than using baritones.
> and: lotsa altrock dudes seem to be playing 7-string gtrs, the last coupla
> years.

I know a couple of guys from Seattle who know Kim very well and they said he
*sometimes* uses a baritone and also sometimes detunes, so we're probably
both right. Maybe we should call him and ask him? I think I got his #
somewhere. 7 strings seem cool too but those Ibanez ones *look* funny to me,
kinda like a bad 80's nightmare I once had where I was doing the
hoodleehoodlee VanHalen/Vai tapping thing and grew extra fingers and
couldn't stop. ahhhhh. woke up in a sweat...

> best,
> dt / splattercell

dt. I learned a lot about how to take chances on gtr from watching you play
as a kid at the Bottom Line in NYC, you're one of my faves in the
experimental music scene. I'm also a sarcastic smart ass guy from Long
Island, Port Jeff... you're from Huntington originally if I'm not mistaken
(?)... don't know if you're a smart ass with your mouth but you sure play
like one (compliment).

peace out,
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Thoughts from the mind of Dennis Gunn, 12-11-2001:

>Oops I wrote:
>
>>This means the lowest string is the the B *below* that
>>of a regular bass.  It's somewhere around 27.5hz (I think) which is
>>quite low indeed.
>
>Wrong 27.5hz would be a Low A.

Indeed.  At least, when tuning to A=440.

>I am sure that some of the mathematicians around here could tell me 
>how many hz a low B would be.

Not only could, but they _will_ tell you... :-)

Each semitone is: multiply by 2^(1/12) (approx. 1.059463094).  So 2 
up from A is multiplication by 2^(2/12).  This gives low B = 
30.86770633 Hz.

Still very low...  Only 2 semitones above the lowest pianokey.

BTW, I think it could be argued that the original "somewhere around 
27.5 Hz" still is true...


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tk,
>I'm just going by what it says on the pack of strings that Jerry Jones
>made
>for the thing, I am not a purist and the presence of the word "true" in
>my sentence was not meant to be taken as gospel. 
ahhh..... sorry!
took ya literally.....

>dt:
>> actually, i really *like* the dano's, after a good luthier has 'set it
>up'; i
>> don't know, i have a fondness for certain funky instruments.....

>I could see that word "funky" going for the old Danos but not the new ones.
i meant 'funky-*cheap*';
ya know, when ya find instruments that aren't great, but are definitely 
useable, have some character & don't cost the world?
(i put 2 kids through *private* american universities, as a full-time freako 
musician-composer, ya dig.....)
i have noticed that the 'quality-bar' has been raised, at the lower end of 
the guitar-manufacture-scale..... makes it easier for the gtr-geek to 
assemble a wider array of functional instruments, eh?

>I do *like*
>the
>old Dano's pickups a little better than my Jerry Jones', a little darker
>sounding, maybe that has to do with aging... (?) what does dt think? coils?
>metal used? dunno...
different value on the *pots*, maybe?

>glissentar... he he... I like that name, gotta check it out.
11-strings / (doubled courses, but for the low string) / no frets / --- like 
ab oud! hence, my interest.
beware, though..... some of the earlier ones had really crappy tuners.

>what is the old one?
i made it.

>Did anyone ever make them commercially before Godin?
the french guy, who makes marc ducret's gtrs, maybe?
don't know.....

>> afaik, kim t. (soundgarden) detunes gtrs, rather than using baritones.
>> and: lotsa altrock dudes seem to be playing 7-string gtrs, the last coupla
>> years.

>I know a couple of guys from Seattle who know Kim very well and they said
>he
>*sometimes* uses a baritone and also sometimes detunes, so we're probably
>both right. Maybe we should call him and ask him?
okay!

>I think I got his #
>somewhere. 7 strings seem cool too but those Ibanez ones *look* funny to
>me,
i had a 7-string teuffell tesla here, for a while --- it was the prototype of 
my *new* gtr --- and i used it a bit, but not much (recording w/david bowie, 
recording w/tim berne) --- can't quite relate to the 7-strings.
don't like those quasi-pseudo-trendy ibanez 7's, wauuuuuuuugh!

>kinda like a bad 80's nightmare I once had where I was doing the
>hoodleehoodlee VanHalen/Vai tapping thing and grew extra fingers and
>couldn't stop. ahhhhh. woke up in a sweat...
ouch!

>dt. I learned a lot about how to take chances on gtr from watching you
>play as a kid at the Bottom Line in NYC, you're one of my faves in the
>experimental music scene. 
thanks! i certainly don't think of my playing as experimental, though.....

>I'm also a sarcastic smart ass guy from Long
>Island, Port Jeff... you're from Huntington originally if I'm not mistaken
>(?)... 
born in amityville, in the year of the horror.
raised in wantagh (jones beach).
late teens in north india.
montréal, toronto, upstate ny, nyc, london, (insert 'aachen', here), upstate 
ny since.
old guy, now!
end self-filtering bio.

>don't know if you're a smart ass with your mouth but you sure play
>like one (compliment).
thanks much, dude.
btw:
i tried to d-l one of yer tunes @..., but it failed -site caused 
funkyassed crash- will try again, later.
best,
dt / splattercell

>Dennis Gunn wrote:
>
>>The Fender Six string baritone has been around for years.  That guy
>>who used to play in the Lovin Spoonful and went on to a solo career
>>tears one up.
>
>Hi Dennis,
>Thanks for the heads-up on that one. I'll check out if Fender have decided
>to continue the line, or make some kind of a substitute.
>
>>   Lately I have been looking for a used one of those.
>Good idea.
>
>>   I played one a little it was
>>really cool.
>That's kind of what I was hoping. I just kind of want to be able to play
>some more lead line licks, little chords, stuff like that, but down there
>in an 'oomphy register'.

Think "twin peaks".  I guess that is what the theme was played on.


>  >   Not exactly like a modern six string though because
>>they are designed to have the low string be a an E rather than a low
>>B like on the modern ones.  Have the bottom four strings of a 5
>>string bass set on my Fender Jazz bass.  Unfortunately it does not
>>really handle the low B as well as a "real" 5 string bass.
>
>Question, though. This intrigues me. Did you at times find that you wished
>you could go lower and growly like 'a real bass'; and ... when you were
>playing higher, did you wish that you could 'cut through a bit more' like a
>'real guitar'. What I'm saying is, was it instinctive to play? Did you find
>it real easy to fall into 'the way' of the baritone, its range, its
>possibilities and such like, or did you find yourself going through a more
>or less extended kind of period of readjustment to what you could do. How
>long did it take before you kind of weren't conscious any more of the fact
>that you had a very different kind of an animal in your hands? Does that
>make sense? Just curious?


I think you are misunderstanding.  Like you I am interested in 
getting a baritone but do not currently have one.  In the low B 
reference I was talking about the bass I normally use which is a 
Fender Jazz bass on which I have the bottom for strings of a 5 string 
*bass* set.  This means the lowest string is the the B *below* that 
of a regular bass.  It's somewhere around 27.5hz (I think) which is 
quite low indeed.  It's a pretty thick heavy string though and it 
just seems to be too much metal flopping around for the little ol' 
Jazz Bass neck to be confortable with.  My NS10s don't exactly jump 
for joy when they see it coming either. The low B of a well made 5 
string through a nice 1000 watt bass amp is truly a wonderous thunder.

OTOH I hear Flea strings his bass basically the same way I do and his 
solid funky low B was one the reasons I strung my bass that way in 
the first place.  I had always assumed he was playing a 5 string till 
I read otherwise in an inverview

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Oops I wrote:

>This means the lowest string is the the B *below* that
>of a regular bass.  It's somewhere around 27.5hz (I think) which is
>quite low indeed.

Wrong 27.5hz would be a Low A.  I am sure that some of the 
mathematicians around here could tell me how many hz a low B would be.

>> I could see that word "funky" going for the old Danos but not the new ones.
> i meant 'funky-*cheap*';
> ya know, when ya find instruments that aren't great, but are definitely
> useable, have some character & don't cost the world?
> (i put 2 kids through *private* american universities, as a full-time freako
> musician-composer, ya dig.....)
> i have noticed that the 'quality-bar' has been raised, at the lower end of
> the guitar-manufacture-scale..... makes it easier for the gtr-geek to
> assemble a wider array of functional instruments, eh?

ya, I like that kind of funky too. I got a couple of stinky cheap ones that
sound amazing.

> 
>> I do *like* the old Dano's pickups a little better than my Jerry Jones', a
little darker sounding, maybe that has to do with aging... (?) what does dt
think? coils? metal used? dunno...
> different value on the *pots*, maybe?

hmmm, dunno from lectronics... you may be right...
 
>>> afaik, kim t. (soundgarden) detunes gtrs, rather than using baritones.
>>> and: lotsa altrock dudes seem to be playing 7-string gtrs, the last coupla
>>> years.
>> I know a couple of guys from Seattle who know Kim very well and they said
>> he *sometimes* uses a baritone and also sometimes detunes, so we're probably
>> both right. Maybe we should call him and ask him?
> okay!

looking up phone # now... "Hi, is Kim there?"... I'll let you know what he
says.

 7 strings seem cool too but those Ibanez ones *look* funny to
>> me,
> i had a 7-string teuffell tesla here, for a while --- it was the prototype of
> my *new* gtr --- and i used it a bit, but not much (recording w/david bowie,
> recording w/tim berne) --- can't quite relate to the 7-strings.
> don't like those quasi-pseudo-trendy ibanez 7's, wauuuuuuuugh!

nice. I love berne and bowie, what Bowie CD are you on? i wanna hear that.
yes the I-been-hads are quite the non bomb, eh?
> 
>> dt. I learned a lot about how to take chances on gtr from watching you
>> play as a kid at the Bottom Line in NYC, you're one of my faves in the
>> experimental music scene.
> thanks! i certainly don't think of my playing as experimental, though.....

for me you are very experimental (at least when I saw you 20 yrs ago!), what
with all the "applied" gtr stuff like playing mini-cassettes through the
pickups and scraping and other stuff I would never had thought of before I
saw you do it... as well you are (to me again) quite versatile even though
your voice is solid. That's hard to accomplish, having your own voice and
yet being able to play lots of different musics... IMHO
> 
>> I'm also a sarcastic smart ass guy from Long
>> Island, Port Jeff... you're from Huntington originally if I'm not mistaken
>> (?)... 
> born in amityville, in the year of the horror.
> raised in wantagh (jones beach).
> late teens in north india.
> montréal, toronto, upstate ny, nyc, london, (insert 'aachen', here), upstate
> ny since.
> old guy, now!
> end self-filtering bio.

hahaha, groove on worldly brother!

> 
>> don't know if you're a smart ass with your mouth but you sure play
>> like one (compliment).
> thanks much, dude.

welks dude.

> btw:
> i tried to d-l one of yer tunes @..., but it failed -site caused
> funkyassed crash- will try again, later.

mp3.com blows me, oh well... I thank you for trying and if I'm allowed to
influence your choice of tunes, I'd say you'll enjoy "Get out of My Way"...

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Just wondering dt or tk ... either of you ever played a kora or donso ngoni?

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I'm gonna let dt handle that one, I plead ignorance. I dated a girl named
Kora once but she was a biter and I had to let her go. Now Donso Ngoni was
my high school band teacher's sister and she was very nice, but I never
"played" her...

tk


> Just wondering dt or tk ... either of you ever played a kora or donso ngoni?
> 
> Kool Musick
> Keep Musick Kool

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kool:
>Just wondering dt or tk ... either of you ever played a kora or donso ngoni?
oh, yeah!
love the douss'n gouni -(that's the spelling that i've seen)- my departed 
friend don cherry played that instrument;
it inspired me to build my own instrument, that's *kinda* like that..... 
somewhere between a d.g. and a koto.....
best,
dt / s-c

Hi dt / s-c,

 > oh, yeah!
>love the douss'n gouni -(that's the spelling that i've seen)- my departed
>friend don cherry played that instrument;
I temporarily forgot that!!

>it inspired me to build my own instrument, that's *kinda* like that.....
>somewhere between a d.g. and a koto.....
Nice.


Lots of spellings, lots of pronounciations.

If you don't already know him ... you might possibly enjoy this guy and his 
album up on mp3.com??
Just him, his voice, his douss'n gouni/donso ngoni -- singing a few 
traditional songs.
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/94/samba_traore.html

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