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Hi,

quite possible a hornet's nest, but here we go :-)

What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior tube amp to 
record his guitar parts into Logic, and now needs an overdrive pedal to 
recreate the more distorted, cranked-up sounds on stage? I also use 
clean sounds, so simply turning the Fender amp up isn't an option. A 
pedal is called for but there are so many of them out there....
Any ideas?

Cheers,

Recky

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am 03.12.2003 10:50 Uhr schrieb recky reck unter recky@...:

> What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior tube amp to
> record his guitar parts into Logic, and now needs an overdrive pedal to
> recreate the more distorted, cranked-up sounds on stage? I also use
> clean sounds, so simply turning the Fender amp up isn't an option. A
> pedal is called for but there are so many of them out there....
> Any ideas?

Hi Recky,

IMO the bestsounding Overdrive pedal for guitar is the Fulltone Fulldrive 2.
It sounds so warm, has a switchable compressor function, plus an additional
switchable Boostchannel. Not cheap, but more than worth the money.

Check Out: http://www.fulltone.com

All the best
Achim
-- 
achim lindermeir 
http://www.schaltraum.com

I HATE my Boss OD. Unuseable. Destroys the frequency spectrum somehow of both 
amp and guitar, making it sound like the pedal. 

Ludlow guitars (NYC) and Main Drag Music (Brooklyn) both feature some kewl 
homebrewish pedals.

> What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior tube amp to
> record his guitar parts into Logic, and now needs an overdrive pedal to
> recreate the more distorted, cranked-up sounds on stage? I also use
> clean sounds, so simply turning the Fender amp up isn't an option. A
> pedal is called for but there are so many of them out there....
> Any ideas?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Recky

not a hornet's nest at all, just impossible to answer as we can't hear the
tone you're getting with your mini setup.

the only sane answer to this question, as tone is a most subjective thing,
is...

Go to the Music store and try everything and answer your own question with
your ears.

I can tell you what I use, but it may or may not work for you so it's
irrelevant.

Teddy

> I HATE my Boss OD. Unuseable. Destroys the frequency spectrum somehow of both
> amp and guitar, making it sound like the pedal.

that may be just the sound Recky's looking for though.
I've found that every pedal has it's use, no matter how awful it is.
> 
> Ludlow guitars (NYC) and Main Drag Music (Brooklyn) both feature some kewl
> homebrewish pedals.

hmmmm. I'm in Brooklyn. where's "Main Drag Music"???

Teddy

I love my Digitech Genesis 3
It's freakin' awesome and integrates
nicely with soundDiver and Logic.


At 08:41 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:

> > I HATE my Boss OD. Unuseable. Destroys the frequency spectrum somehow 
> of both
> > amp and guitar, making it sound like the pedal.
>
>that may be just the sound Recky's looking for though.
>I've found that every pedal has it's use, no matter how awful it is.
> >
> > Ludlow guitars (NYC) and Main Drag Music (Brooklyn) both feature some kewl
> > homebrewish pedals.
>
>hmmmm. I'm in Brooklyn. where's "Main Drag Music"???
>
>Teddy
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Williamsburg. North 5th off Bedford i think (off L train)...
> hmmmm. I'm in Brooklyn. where's "Main Drag Music"???
>

> Williamsburg. North 5th off Bedford i think (off L train)...

>> hmmmm. I'm in Brooklyn. where's "Main Drag Music"???
>> 

Ahhhh. I'm the exotic Gardens of Carroll, don't get up to Williamsburg much
unless I have a Galapagos gig. There's also Rumble Seat in Park Slope which
is very good and has extremely nice people working there. but I think the
original poster wasn't even from NYC.... so.

Teddy

Hi,


On Saturday, Dec 20, 2003, at 19:30 Europe/Brussels, litepipe wrote:

>
>  "achim | schaltraum" wrote:
>> IMO the bestsounding Overdrive pedal for guitar is the Fulltone 
>> Fulldrive
> 2.
>> It sounds so warm, has a switchable compressor function, plus an
> additional
>> switchable Boostchannel. Not cheap, but more than worth the money.
>
>   I second that. Fulltone makes great pedals. I also like the Maxon 
> OD-9.
> It's the classic Tubescreamer. Better than the Ibanez re-issue because 
> it
> has the original chip in it. There are soo many OD's on the market.
>   I personally haven't been too impressed with many of the consumer 
> grade
> OD's (Boss, etc...). There are a lot of great homebrew pedal makers out
> there that make some cool pedals. Take a look at www.musictoys.com
>
>   --litepipe
>

I found a "boutique" booster, the Rangeking, made by TAD (Tube Amp 
Doctor, formerly Ruby Tubes, www.tubeampdoctor.com) in Germany, that 
does exactly what I want. Basically, you set it so that it hits the amp 
quite hard for your distorted sound and you then go back on it using 
the pick up volume control of your guitar to arrive at a clean sound 
with hardly any loss of volume level. The pedal also features a "Balls" 
knob allowing you to conteract the loss of bottom end often associated 
with booster or distortion pedals. The Rangeking has no sound of its 
own. It's 125 Euros, which ain't cheap, but well worth it. It's also 
good for recording, for that added bottom end-enhanced drive.

Cheers,

Recky

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i'm in CG, too -- just take the G train from Carroll Street. Way OT!!

> Ahhhh. I'm the exotic Gardens of Carroll, don't get up to Williamsburg much
> unless I have a Galapagos gig. There's also Rumble Seat in Park Slope which
> is very good and has extremely nice people working there. but I think the
> original poster wasn't even from NYC.... so.

"achim | schaltraum" wrote:
> IMO the bestsounding Overdrive pedal for guitar is the Fulltone Fulldrive
2.
> It sounds so warm, has a switchable compressor function, plus an
additional
> switchable Boostchannel. Not cheap, but more than worth the money.

  I second that. Fulltone makes great pedals. I also like the Maxon OD-9.
It's the classic Tubescreamer. Better than the Ibanez re-issue because it
has the original chip in it. There are soo many OD's on the market.
  I personally haven't been too impressed with many of the consumer grade
OD's (Boss, etc...). There are a lot of great homebrew pedal makers out
there that make some cool pedals. Take a look at www.musictoys.com

  --litepipe

> What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior tube amp to 
> record his guitar parts into Logic, and now needs an overdrive pedal to 
> recreate the more distorted, cranked-up sounds on stage? 

As another poster said : Maxon OD9 rocks hard. very versatile OD
pedal. i get everything from hard distortion to transparent lead
boosts out of it. 

also look at the ZVex Super Duper 2-in-1. i have the Super Hard On
(the single version of this) which is a great boost pedal, and ive
played with this, and its a killer OD pedal and can get loud as hell


incidentally, i know its not OD, but if you need crazy Fuzz, get the
ZVex Fuzz Factory.  its the best Fuzz pedal ever. period.  ok, the Big
Muff is awesome too, but the Fuzz Factory is just ridiculous.

What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior tube amp to record his guitar parts into Logic, and now needs an overdrive pedal to recreate the more distorted, cranked-up sounds on stage? 

I´m not sure if it´s even possible to recommend stompboxes to anyone. It´s such a personal matter and has so much to do with the guitar, the amp.....and so on. I have maybe 10 different overdrive/distortion pedals and all of them have different strenths. Not even the quite expensive ones like Matchless or Fulltone will neccesarily do a better job than a cheap Marshall. It depends what  "more distorted cranked-up sounds" means to you. Ritchie Blackmoore or Steve Lukather, both qualify but they certainly don´t sound similar. So what I´m saying is shop around, if it sounds right it is right.
Henrik Krogh
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?
> 
>   One other option is to get a ZVex Nano Head. It's a 1 watt (yup,
that's
> what I said) Class A tube head. It sounds amazing. You can get that
cranked
> guitar sound in your studio without blowing your ears out. I use it
all the
> time and it sounds amazing. The tone from this thing will blow your
mind. I
> use mine all the time. www.zvex.com

i was going to recommend that too but i havent personally used one
except in 30th Street guitars for about an hour. it blew me away, but
at the time i was shopping for a stage amp and went with a Hughes and
Kettner triamp instead. i still want to go pick one up, once i get
tired of the various guitar-pres i have. ZVex makes the best stuff in
the world though, very very unique and quality products. and he emails
you back to ask him questions about it. 

his probe series of stuff is great, for those who havent seen them. he
combines the 'proximity sensor' EM coil thing-a-ma-bob from Theremins
into guitar pedals for very interesting effects. 

kristian

On a fine day, 12-01-2004, HKC wrote:

>What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior

Such a man should be careful not to be lifted from his bed one night 
by the vice-squad :-).

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On Friday, Jan 30, 2004, at 08:14 Europe/Brussels, litepipe wrote:

>  "HKC" wrote:
>> I´m not sure if it´s even possible to recommend stompboxes to anyone. 
>> It´s
>> such a personal matter and has so much to do with the guitar, the
> amp.....and >so on. I have maybe 10 different overdrive/distortion 
> pedals
> and all of them >have different strenths. Not even the quite expensive 
> ones
> like Matchless or >Fulltone will neccesarily do a better job than a 
> cheap
> Marshall. It depends what  >"more distorted cranked-up sounds" means 
> to you.
> Ritchie Blackmoore or >Steve Lukather, both qualify but they certainly 
> don´t
> sound similar. So what I´m >saying is shop around, if it sounds right 
> it is
> right.
>
>   I agree. I've owned and still own several OD pedals. It really 
> depends on
> the application. One thing that can be gained with a recomendation 
> though is
> maybe someone isn't familiar with certain OD's. Some people never 
> heard of
> Fulltone and maybe they would like their stuff. I can tell people what 
> works
> for me as anyone can, but that really means nothing in the long run. 
> You
> still need to check it out. This is a difficult issue ofcourse because 
> there
> are a ton of OD pedals out there.
>
>   --litepipe

Hi,

Amazing how long this thread keeps going on for - there seems to be a 
lot to talk about, and it's very interesting :-)

I started it originally, and while I have found one solution, a treble 
booster (Range King by the Tube Amp Doctor from Germany), I'm still 
looking into the subject of overdrive pedals. What I have found I need 
is a pedal that gives me warm overdrive for picked, arpeggiated chords 
without breaking up. I haven't had the opportuinity to try many pedals 
yet, but I THINK I need something like the early Ibanez Tube Screamer. 
(Incidentally, I had one as a teenager, dunno where it went, maybe it's 
still at my parents' - people are paying crazy money for it on eBay!!!! 
Hope I can find it.....) One pedal I really like is a vintage Electro 
Harmonix Hot Tubes (without tubes) - great with my vintage guitars. 
Difficult to get, though.

Cheers,

Recky

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On Tuesday, Jan 13, 2004, at 08:30 Europe/Brussels, Hendrik Jan 
Veenstra wrote:

> On a fine day, 12-01-2004, HKC wrote:
>
>> What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior
>
> Such a man should be careful not to be lifted from his bed one night
> by the vice-squad :-).
>
> -- 
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

They've been round several times, but I could convince them that 
despite its name it's a consenting adult.....

Recky
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>I´m not sure if it´s even possible to recommend stompboxes to 
>anyone. It´s such a personal matter and has so much to do with the 
>guitar, the amp.....and so on.

I agree but through this thread I learned about the Nano Head which 
sounds like it is something I have been looking for for as long as I 
have been playing the electric guitar.

> What I have found I need 
> is a pedal that gives me warm overdrive for picked, arpeggiated chords 
> without breaking up. 

for this kind of sound ive actually played around with a Marshall
compressor pedal after the OD pedal. The compression boosts your
sustain (obviosuly), so even when you flub a bit you still have signal
in there to make it all sound continuous. 

of course, you could just be a flawless player (unlike me) and have
perfectly executed arpgiation every time. but im lazy, i prefer to buy
gear instead of practice alot :)


kristian

I absolutely love my Digitech Genesis 3... it's very, very versatile... and the
SPDIF out makes it a dream to work with in Logic.



At 02:14 AM 1/30/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>  "HKC" wrote:
> > I´m not sure if it´s even possible to recommend stompboxes to anyone. It´s
> >such a personal matter and has so much to do with the guitar, the
>amp.....and >so on. I have maybe 10 different overdrive/distortion pedals
>and all of them >have different strenths. Not even the quite expensive ones
>like Matchless or >Fulltone will neccesarily do a better job than a cheap
>Marshall. It depends what  >"more distorted cranked-up sounds" means to you.
>Ritchie Blackmoore or >Steve Lukather, both qualify but they certainly don´t
>sound similar. So what I´m >saying is shop around, if it sounds right it is
>right.
>
>   I agree. I've owned and still own several OD pedals. It really depends on
>the application. One thing that can be gained with a recomendation though is
>maybe someone isn't familiar with certain OD's. Some people never heard of
>Fulltone and maybe they would like their stuff. I can tell people what works
>for me as anyone can, but that really means nothing in the long run. You
>still need to check it out. This is a difficult issue ofcourse because there
>are a ton of OD pedals out there.
>
>   --litepipe
>
>
>
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>   I deal with 30th street too. I like them. I bought an Exotic Fx
Robotalk
> from them. Cool analog random arpeggiator if anyone is interested.
> 

of course you played with the Zvex OOh Wah and Seek-Wah for this too
:) right? right ?  those things are awesome, when i have more
disposable income and less microphones and mic-pres to buy im getting
the whole zvex line. 



>   The thing about the Nano is it gets the "real" sound. For years I was
> trying to get pedals that would give me that power tube saturation
sound and
> was unhappy. I have a Blackface Twin, but I can't get it nearly loud
enough
> to get that sound....It's such a loud amp. 


yeah, i try to explain this to guitarists and get blank stares.
Nowadays having an amp above 30 watts is mostly a waste, unless you
have a big soundproofed iso-booth. even on stage i never could turn my
Pro Reverb (i think its about 30 watts) above 3 or 4 because of the PA
mic'in and  the tubes dont REALLY start to cook until 5 or more. 

I have an old Ampeg V-4 that i got modded with a Master switch so i
can actually crank the preamp tube volume to max and control the
output with the master, it sounds SO unbelievable. its a shame the
powersoak pedals kill tone because a solution like that without having
to mod every old Fender you get would be great.

For anorak completeness, I can bear witness to Roger Mayer
pedals. Visually unique with their distinctive, 1950's
futurist styling, they're the pride of my unused equipment
collection.

BBC trained, Mayer was Hendrix's white-coat, tech guy in
the 60's. God knows if you can get them anymore but in the
late 80's, he was still hand building them with some obscure
old transistor parts he'd saved. They contained 'Germanium'
(or something) - I still don't know what this does but it
sounded impressive and it was missing from my life.

I managed to get Mr. Mayer's number from a shop in London's
Denmark St., and was invited down to his home in some
godforsaken suburb, possibly 'Staines', to audition the
pedals. He and his American wife even picked me up from
the train station.

However, once on site, they then proceeded to got me
leglessly drunk and the wife mauled me every time I tried
to leave (apparently she did it to everyone, sad really..
I suspect the toll of 60's hedonism - or living in Staines
- nevertheless, a scary bag-lady ceaselessly fondled
me in front of her oblivious husband as I struggled to write
down what he told me of Jimi Hendrix's preferred string
gauges.

Me & Roger jammed for a while (terribly), I left him my
Crybaby wah-wah to customize - it subsequently had a nicer,
throaty sound and an extra switch to flip sweep ranges,
and when his Mrs at last had to empty her bladder, we made
a dash to the car and I got a lift back to the station.

Anyway, (you still reading this?) two pedals of his which
I tried, later bought, and which I've never gotten
close to with anything else except, ironically, some
software fx, were 'Octavia' - fuzz with envelope/harmonic
doubler, and 'Axis' - overdrive. Listen to Hendrix's second
album and Ernie Isley's searing 70's Strat textures and
you'll know.

With my Tele & valve Fender SuperChamp, they're creamy,
overdrive heaven. However, having only the attention span
of a hamster, it takes me so long, faffing about, setting
it all up that on the rare occasions I need guitar, I now
just reach for the 'GuitarPort' and have done with it.

I saw an ad recently for a convolution mic or pre-amp
processor - I wonder if one could run these old boxes through
some kind of convolution process? Maybe that 'soon to be
released' Tascam convolving VST thingie will allow us to
capture stompbox er, footprints...?
___
Ade

On 04-01-13 21.54,  "adrian@zarathustra.u-net.com"
<adrian@zarathustra.u-net.com> wrote:


> software fx, were 'Octavia' - fuzz with envelope/harmonic
> doubler, 

That's my favorite! I've had it for many years and love the sound of it. But
it only sounds good on a strat playing the neck pickup. The tone filter knob
of the guitar does also have a great impact on the Octavia envelopes. This
pedal is very dynamic and can really make a strat more expressive ;-)

-- 
Best wishes

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.looproom.com

"fauxstout" wrote:
> of course you played with the Zvex OOh Wah and Seek-Wah for this too
> :) right? right ?  those things are awesome, when i have more
> disposable income and less microphones and mic-pres to buy im getting
> the whole zvex line.

  Yes, ofcourse....The Seek and Ooh Wah are great. I went with the Robotalk
because the sound is kind of frantic and I liked that. I'm still going to
pick up an Ooh wah. They do different things with different flavors:-))

> yeah, i try to explain this to guitarists and get blank stares.
> Nowadays having an amp above 30 watts is mostly a waste, unless you
> have a big soundproofed iso-booth. even on stage i never could turn my
> Pro Reverb (i think its about 30 watts) above 3 or 4 because of the PA
> mic'in and  the tubes dont REALLY start to cook until 5 or more.

  Yeah, people still think they need 200 watts for a gig. I try to explain
it to my students but they don't listen...In one ear and out the other. They
see their favorite guitarist from Disturbed using a couple of stacks and are
convinced this is the only way to go:-)) I love when they get huge amps and
only can play them barely on one. They ask why their tone isn't very
good:-))

  --litepipe

"recky reck" wrote:
>What I have found I need
>is a pedal that gives me warm overdrive for picked, arpeggiated chords
>without breaking up. I haven't had the opportuinity to try many pedals
>yet, but I THINK I need something like the early Ibanez Tube Screamer.

    A tube screamer will work. If it's the early Ibanez sound you're looking
for check out the Maxon OD-9. They have the original chips that are
identical to the original Ibanez. Another solution which I like to use
instead of overdrive is a booster pedal. Not the treble booster you use, but
the Fulltone Fatboost. You can get some gentle overdrive out of it without a
huge increase in volume if that's what you want. It also has a tone knob on
it. Even when it's (tone knob) neutral you get more body from your guitar.
One great thing about it is it doesn't add as much color to your signal as
say a tube screamer would. It may not be right for you, but you might want
to investigate it a bit. www.fulltone.com

>(Incidentally, I had one as a teenager, dunno where it went, maybe it's
>still at my parents' - people are paying crazy money for it on eBay!!!!
>Hope I can find it.....)

  Yes, they are worth a lot of dough. I think it's time to go pay Mom and
Dad a visit:-))

  --litepipe

On Wednesday, Jan 14, 2004, at 07:51 Europe/Brussels, litepipe wrote:
>  Another solution which I like to use
> instead of overdrive is a booster pedal. Not the treble booster you 
> use, but
> the Fulltone Fatboost. You can get some gentle overdrive out of it 
> without a
> huge increase in volume if that's what you want. It also has a tone 
> knob on
> it. Even when it's (tone knob) neutral you get more body from your 
> guitar.
> One great thing about it is it doesn't add as much color to your 
> signal as
> say a tube screamer would. It may not be right for you, but you might 
> want
> to investigate it a bit. www.fulltone.com
>

Hi,

that's exactly what my booster does! I bought it because it has an 
aptly named "Balls" knob which adds (or subtracts) body to your sound, 
depending on what amp you play. It doesn't colour the sound much at 
all. Because it sounds so much better, somehow more focused and bigger 
than the Pro Junior should really sound like, with the pedal, I keep it 
engaged all the time. That's why I need an overdrive option on top of 
that, which will give me additional distortion without increasing the 
overall volume even more.

Thanks for the Maxon tip!

Cheers,

Recky
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> "fauxstout" wrote:
>> Nowadays having an amp above 30 watts is mostly a waste, unless you
>> have a big soundproofed iso-booth. even on stage i never could turn my
>> Pro Reverb (i think its about 30 watts) above 3 or 4 because of the PA
>> mic'in and  the tubes dont REALLY start to cook until 5 or more.
> 
> Yeah, people still think they need 200 watts for a gig. I try to explain
> it to my students but they don't listen...In one ear and out the other. They
> see their favorite guitarist from Disturbed using a couple of stacks and are
> convinced this is the only way to go:-)) I love when they get huge amps and
> only can play them barely on one. They ask why their tone isn't very
> good:-))
> 
> --litepipe

now here's a conversation I can jump into. You are so right. I play at a
small club every week and they asked me what amp to get for the backline and
I told them an older 70's fender deluxe. They got this new Deluxe which is
way louder than an old deluxe, the one with the silver top and a distortion
channel. I can't play through it unless I put the volume on 1.5. No tone
whatsoever.

I started bringing my silvertone head that used to be in the 2x12 cab and
plugging it into the deluxe's speaker. Much better. You can crank without
being loud. Sometimes I even use a Magnatone custom 410 which is about 15
watts of class A. Great tone and the perfect volume for a gig where there's
a PA in small room.

The other thing about this is I see a lot of dudes and dudesses with their
amps on the floor. Anyone who does this always plays too loud and bright
because they aren't hearing any hi end or tone from the amp as it's pointing
at their calves. I always put my amp on a chair behind me. Better for
controlled feedback too... I saw a great band tonight and lo and behold the
guy had his amp pointing at his shins and he was 5xs louder than anyone else
in the band and the sound guy had him turned off on the board. It ruined the
gig.

Teddy

> "recky reck" wrote:
>> What I have found I need
>> is a pedal that gives me warm overdrive for picked, arpeggiated chords
>> without breaking up. I haven't had the opportuinity to try many pedals
>> yet, but I THINK I need something like the early Ibanez Tube Screamer.

How about the Lovetone Brown Source. Better bottom end preservation than a
tube screamer. I have a 1979 tube screamer and it is a little light in the
loafers compared to the brown source. Expensive, but worth it if you need a
real tube amp tone at a low volume.

http://www.lovetone.com/

Teddy

> The other thing about this is I see a lot of dudes and dudesses with their
> amps on the floor. Anyone who does this always plays too loud and bright
> because they aren't hearing any hi end or tone from the amp as it's pointing
> at their calves. I always put my amp on a chair behind me. Better for
> controlled feedback too... I saw a great band tonight and lo and behold the

3 words:

rock. back. legs.


my pro reverb came with these on it. apparently fender had a whole bunch of them 
lying around during that production year so they slapped them on the pro reverbs. it 
make this amp the best amp i know for playing live. points right at my head, not too 
loud and can still be mic'd.

>> The other thing about this is I see a lot of dudes and dudesses with their
>> amps on the floor. Anyone who does this always plays too loud and bright
>> because they aren't hearing any hi end or tone from the amp as it's pointing
>> at their calves. I always put my amp on a chair behind me. Better for
>> controlled feedback too... I saw a great band tonight and lo and behold the
> 
> 3 words:
> 
> rock. back. legs.
> 
> my pro reverb came with these on it. apparently fender had a whole bunch of
> them lying around during that production year so they slapped them on the pro
> reverbs. it make this amp the best amp i know for playing live. points right
> at my head, not too loud and can still be mic'd.

I have a pro reverb too, blackface, sounds amazing... I actually prefer it
on a chair than pointing at my head from the floor. Takes out any strange
resonance from the amp touching the stage and keeps me from being TOO in
love with myself.

Teddy

> Takes out any strange
> resonance from the amp touching the stage and keeps me 
> from being TOO in love with myself.

surely your not REALLY a guitar player if your concerned with being
too in love with yourself. 

besides man, its not yourself your in love with, its the tone of your
guitar/amp that your in love with. at least thats my story.

teddybut wrote:
>> Takes out any strange
>> resonance from the amp touching the stage and keeps me
>> from being TOO in love with myself.
> 
"fauxstout" wrote:
> surely your not REALLY a guitar player if your concerned with being
> too in love with yourself.
> 
> besides man, its not yourself your in love with, its the tone of your
> guitar/amp that your in love with. at least thats my story.

ahh, see that's it...

I concentrate on making everyone else sound good, not myself. Then I
automatically sound good.

Teddy

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litepipe <litepipe@...> wrote:
"fauxstout" wrote:
> i was going to recommend that too but i havent personally used one
> except in 30th Street guitars for about an hour.

  I deal with 30th street too. I like them. I bought an Exotic Fx Robotalk
from them. Cool analog random arpeggiator if anyone is interested.

> it blew me away, but
> at the time i was shopping for a stage amp and went with a Hughes and
> Kettner triamp instead. i still want to go pick one up, once i get
> tired of the various guitar-pres i have. ZVex makes the best stuff in
> the world though, very very unique and quality products. and he emails
> you back to ask him questions about it.

  The thing about the Nano is it gets the "real" sound. For years I was
trying to get pedals that would give me that power tube saturation sound and
was unhappy. I have a Blackface Twin, but I can't get it nearly loud enough
to get that sound....It's such a loud amp. When I got the Nano I was just in
awe....When you mike it up through a cab you would never know it's not a
huge cranked amp. It easy to get a good sound out of it too. There are
enough switches to give you the "right" options without getting lost in the
sauce.
  Also the quality of this thing is great. It is great craftmanship.
  Zach is def. a cool guy. He's really into what he does and is very
friendly.

> his probe series of stuff is great, for those who havent seen them. he
> combines the 'proximity sensor' EM coil thing-a-ma-bob from Theremins
> into guitar pedals for very interesting effects.

  Def. very interesting....I think my next ZVex purchase will be the Fuzz
Probe. Creative effects for sure!!

  --litepipe




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litepipe <litepipe@...> wrote:
"fauxstout" wrote:
> i was going to recommend that too but i havent personally used one
> except in 30th Street guitars for about an hour.

  I deal with 30th street too. I like them. I bought an Exotic Fx Robotalk
from them. Cool analog random arpeggiator if anyone is interested.

> it blew me away, but
> at the time i was shopping for a stage amp and went with a Hughes and
> Kettner triamp instead. i still want to go pick one up, once i get
> tired of the various guitar-pres i have. ZVex makes the best stuff in
> the world though, very very unique and quality products. and he emails
> you back to ask him questions about it.

  The thing about the Nano is it gets the "real" sound. For years I was
trying to get pedals that would give me that power tube saturation sound and
was unhappy. I have a Blackface Twin, but I can't get it nearly loud enough
to get that sound....It's such a loud amp. When I got the Nano I was just in
awe....When you mike it up through a cab you would never know it's not a
huge cranked amp. It easy to get a good sound out of it too. There are
enough switches to give you the "right" options without getting lost in the
sauce.
  Also the quality of this thing is great. It is great craftmanship.
  Zach is def. a cool guy. He's really into what he does and is very
friendly.

> his probe series of stuff is great, for those who havent seen them. he
> combines the 'proximity sensor' EM coil thing-a-ma-bob from Theremins
> into guitar pedals for very interesting effects.

  Def. very interesting....I think my next ZVex purchase will be the Fuzz
Probe. Creative effects for sure!!

  --litepipe




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"fauxstout" wrote:

 > incidentally, i know its not OD, but if you need crazy Fuzz, get the
> ZVex Fuzz Factory.  its the best Fuzz pedal ever. period.  ok, the Big
> Muff is awesome too, but the Fuzz Factory is just ridiculous.

  The Fuzz Factory is my favorite fuzz pedal!! Truly unique!! 

  --litepipe

> > What does a man do who uses a little Fender Pro Junior tube amp to
> > record his guitar parts into Logic, and now needs an overdrive pedal to
> > recreate the more distorted, cranked-up sounds on stage?

  One other option is to get a ZVex Nano Head. It's a 1 watt (yup, that's
what I said) Class A tube head. It sounds amazing. You can get that cranked
guitar sound in your studio without blowing your ears out. I use it all the
time and it sounds amazing. The tone from this thing will blow your mind. I
use mine all the time. www.zvex.com

  --litepipe

"fauxstout" wrote:
> i was going to recommend that too but i havent personally used one
> except in 30th Street guitars for about an hour.

  I deal with 30th street too. I like them. I bought an Exotic Fx Robotalk
from them. Cool analog random arpeggiator if anyone is interested.

> it blew me away, but
> at the time i was shopping for a stage amp and went with a Hughes and
> Kettner triamp instead. i still want to go pick one up, once i get
> tired of the various guitar-pres i have. ZVex makes the best stuff in
> the world though, very very unique and quality products. and he emails
> you back to ask him questions about it.

  The thing about the Nano is it gets the "real" sound. For years I was
trying to get pedals that would give me that power tube saturation sound and
was unhappy. I have a Blackface Twin, but I can't get it nearly loud enough
to get that sound....It's such a loud amp. When I got the Nano I was just in
awe....When you mike it up through a cab you would never know it's not a
huge cranked amp. It easy to get a good sound out of it too. There are
enough switches to give you the "right" options without getting lost in the
sauce.
  Also the quality of this thing is great. It is great craftmanship.
  Zach is def. a cool guy. He's really into what he does and is very
friendly.

> his probe series of stuff is great, for those who havent seen them. he
> combines the 'proximity sensor' EM coil thing-a-ma-bob from Theremins
> into guitar pedals for very interesting effects.

  Def. very interesting....I think my next ZVex purchase will be the Fuzz
Probe. Creative effects for sure!!

  --litepipe

"HKC" wrote:
> I\ufffdm not sure if it\ufffds even possible to recommend stompboxes to anyone. It\ufffds
>such a personal matter and has so much to do with the guitar, the
amp.....and >so on. I have maybe 10 different overdrive/distortion pedals
and all of them >have different strenths. Not even the quite expensive ones
like Matchless or >Fulltone will neccesarily do a better job than a cheap
Marshall. It depends what  >"more distorted cranked-up sounds" means to you.
Ritchie Blackmoore or >Steve Lukather, both qualify but they certainly don\ufffdt
sound similar. So what I\ufffdm >saying is shop around, if it sounds right it is
right.

  I agree. I've owned and still own several OD pedals. It really depends on
the application. One thing that can be gained with a recomendation though is
maybe someone isn't familiar with certain OD's. Some people never heard of
Fulltone and maybe they would like their stuff. I can tell people what works
for me as anyone can, but that really means nothing in the long run. You
still need to check it out. This is a difficult issue ofcourse because there
are a ton of OD pedals out there.

  --litepipe