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New poll for lpc2000

New poll for lpc2000

2004-06-16 by lpc2000@yahoogroups.com

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
lpc2000 group:

Assuming you can define the next member 
of the LPC2000 family. To some degree I 
can :-)  Your inputs on the most needed 
peripherals or functions would be 
greatly appreciated. You can select 
multiple options from the list below.
Robert  

  o Ethernet MAC (10/100) 
  o USB 2.0 Full Speed (12) 
  o USB2.0 High Speed (480) 
  o General purpose DMA 
  o Boundary SCAN 
  o Combination 512k F + 32k SRAM 
  o Combination 256k F + 32k SRAM 
  o Combination 64k F + 8k SRAM 
  o Second ADC (8 channels each) 
  o Dedicated DAC (10-bit) 
  o Internal RC-oscillator 2% accuracy 
  o Brown-Out detect 
  o SDRAM interface 
  o LCD-Controller 
  o Byte programmable EEPROM 
  o 80 MHz execution (0 WS) 
  o 32 KHz clock for RTC (Real-Time-Clock) 
  o less than 500 uA while RTC running 
  o less than 10 uA while RTC running 
  o I2S interface 


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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2004-06-17 by hodgejackiehank

The temptation is to tick them all....but I limited myself most of all
to the MAC option. Given that the LPC is very much orientated to
minimalistic applications, it would be nice if this could be coupled
with a minimalistic TCP/IP stack implementation which limits itself to
a basic UDP packet send/recieve facility.

SV: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2004-06-17 by Lasse Madsen

I would like to see programmable pull-up resistors, programmable load
current on outputs (just like FPGA's) and ofcause internal 1.8V regulator
the real time clock should be embedded in such as way that it has its own
crystal oscillator and can run with the processor in total sleep mode !
and have a possibility to wake the processor up ... everything else is
totally useless (RTC wise) !

more Uarts are always wellcome ...an embedded TCPIP stack something like
www.gm862.com that could work with PPP over the full modem interface or
through a memory map connected to an ethernet device would be great but
probertly way out of line :)


thats just some of the things i had in mind

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The temptation is to tick them all....but I limited myself most of all
to the MAC option. Given that the LPC is very much orientated to
minimalistic applications, it would be nice if this could be coupled
with a minimalistic TCP/IP stack implementation which limits itself to
a basic UDP packet send/recieve facility.





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SV: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2004-06-17 by hodgejackiehank

> 
> more Uarts are always wellcome ...an embedded TCPIP stack something like
> www.gm862.com that could work with PPP over the full modem interface or
> through a memory map connected to an ethernet device would be great but
> probertly way out of line :)
> 

Dallas have an embedded MAC with onboard code in one of thier high
speed 8051's. I have an evaluation board and it is neat in hardware
terms but programming and performance is far from sufficient!

Re: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000

2004-06-20 by Peter Jakacki

This thread has become something of a wish list and although I would 
probably add my 3 wishes to the list I guess there is a question we 
could all ask ourselves. What would make me actually consider anything 
other than a 2000 for a particular project? The 2000 line has to be a 
competitive line for Philips, it does not matter if it were a great chip 
or a throwback (take your pic), as long as it was good business.

Anyway, I could answer that question very quickly, it would be Ethernet 
and USB (along with DMA). These are two devices which if implemented 
externally would complicate what could of been a clean solution. At 
present I must either choose something like Atmel or OKI, or else an 
external bus 2000 coupled to these peripherals. Personally, I'd like to 
stick to the 2000 line and what better incentive would there be then if 
Uncle Phil could cook up some hot chips served along with the Mayonnaise 
(Dutch thing).

Something else that whilst it does not seem as important does severely 
curtail the use of the 2000 as a more general-purpose micro. This has 
been brought up before and it is the I/O speed. Yeah, despite all those 
yummy peripherals we still need to bit-bang sometimes, the faster the 
better. This would mean little if the 2000 did not have an efficient 
manner in which to execute these operations either and this has been 
covered also.

When it comes to regulators and brownout reset circuits it is always 
advantageous to have these incorporated on the device. But failing that 
why can't Philips come out with a nice little dual regulator perhaps in 
combo with the reset circuit. The use of LM117s in SOT-22(many)3 packs 
is seemingly out of step with the low-power and size of the 2000. Yes, 
TI have some nice regs which I have used, yet Philips can and really 
should provide what amounts to companion chips that form part of the 
product family.

When it comes to more UARTs, ADCs, etc., well, where do you draw the 
line? I know I could use more UARTs but there are ways around this like 
chaining multiple devices together over the SPI or I2C bus. But Uncle 
Phil mentioned I2S and that caught my attention. I'd like to do audio 
work with an ARM and what better way than to have a simple connection to 
what are typically DSP peripherals.

As for the rest, well;

* Boundary Scan
    Don't need it

* Combo Flash and RAM
    Maybe less rather than more because that would also mean cheaper and 
so I could replace my little micros as well with an LPC2002??!!!

* EEPROM
    Would be nice but I can do this with external I2C devices easily. 
Maybe the internal Flash could have a couple of small independent pages 
perhaps?

* SDRAM, LCD, 80MHz
    This is not the market for the 2000 now although it may become that. 
There are plenty of manufacturers out there doing this now with ARM.

* Low and micro-power

    This is always hard to define properly as to what is acceptable. 
Sometimes it is fine if the whole chip is halted and oscillators stopped 
as long as it can be woken up with a GPIO input change. Other times we 
want to keep some power hungry peripheral active (Uart, Ethernet) and 
have the unused sections sleep. Others want 32KHz RTC operation. Having 
an on-board RC oscillator is prepatory to any low-power (and watchdog) 
considerations. Stability, at least in the short-term vs accuracy is 
more important in this regard. The RC oscillator can be calibrated 
against the cystal allowing the crystal oscillator to be shut-down so 
that timing can be maintained for some peripherals. Good or bad, at 
least an RC watchdog circuit can wake-up the rest of the chip.

my2cents

--
Peter Jakacki

New poll for lpc2000

2004-07-21 by lpc2000@yahoogroups.com

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
lpc2000 group:

What would you like to add to LPC2104 
(48 pins 16K RAM). You can make 
multiple selection. 

  o 4 channel ADC 
  o Ultimate code protection No JTAG. I can use a higher pin count part in development phase. 
  o 1 CAN channel 
  o 2 CAN Channel 
  o 256K Flash 


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New poll for lpc2000

2004-10-21 by lpc2000@yahoogroups.com

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
lpc2000 group:

What was your previous microcontroller? 

  o Atmel AVR 
  o 8051 8 or 16bits 
  o Microchip PICmicro 
  o Ubicom Scenix 
  o Parallax Basic Stamp 
  o Motorola HCseries 
  o Renesas  
  o TI  MSP430 
  o Zilog Z80 
  o Other 


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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2004-10-22 by lpc2100_fan

Hi,

given the nature of the LPC2000 family there are some other
architectures missing such as the ST10 / C166 from ST/Infineon, the
Mitsubishi M16, the Motorola / Freescale HC08 / Super 12 and last but
not least "other ARM devices".

Given that the ARM7 and in particular the LPC2000 family often gets
compared to the 51 of the 32-bit world, it is no surprise that many
user previously used a 51 derivative. 

I am not sure but I think you can still update the poll. 

Cheers, Bob

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>   o Atmel AVR 
>   o 8051 8 or 16bits 
>   o Microchip PICmicro 
>   o Ubicom Scenix 
>   o Parallax Basic Stamp 
>   o Motorola HCseries 
>   o Renesas  
>   o TI  MSP430 
>   o Zilog Z80 
>   o Other 
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New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-27 by lpc2000@yahoogroups.com

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
lpc2000 group:

Rules:
need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
2101_2102_2103.pdf
Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 

  o Pin1  
  o Pin2 
  o Pin3 
  o Pin18 
  o Pin21 
  o Pin22 
  o Pin23 
  o Pin24 
  o Pin28 
  o Pin29 
  o Pin30 
  o Pin32 
  o Pin33 
  o Pin34 
  o Pin35 
  o Pin36 
  o Pin37 
  o Pin38 
  o Pin39 
  o Pin41 
  o Pin44 
  o Pin45 
  o Pin46 
  o Pin47 
  o Pin48 


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Re: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-27 by Xtian Xultz

Sorry if my question is stupid, but is it impossible to have a 48 pin 
footprint? Why only 44 pins?


Em Ter 27 Set 2005 18:19, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com escreveu:
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> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> lpc2000 group:
>
> Rules:
> need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48.
> JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try
> to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these
> rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here:
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information
>
>   o Pin1
>   o Pin2
>   o Pin3
>   o Pin18
>   o Pin21
>   o Pin22
>   o Pin23
>   o Pin24
>   o Pin28
>   o Pin29
>   o Pin30
>   o Pin32
>   o Pin33
>   o Pin34
>   o Pin35
>   o Pin36
>   o Pin37
>   o Pin38
>   o Pin39
>   o Pin41
>   o Pin44
>   o Pin45
>   o Pin46
>   o Pin47
>   o Pin48
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RE: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-27 by David Kay

To get the part in a PLCC44 package is my guess - same die just with 4
pads not connected?
 
Cheers,
 
Dave Kay
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Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2005 9:36 a.m.
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000
 
Sorry if my question is stupid, but is it impossible to have a 48 pin 
footprint? Why only 44 pins?


Em Ter 27 Set 2005 18:19, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com escreveu:
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> lpc2000 group:
>
> Rules:
> need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48.
> JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try
> to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these
> rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here:
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information
>
>   o Pin1
>   o Pin2
>   o Pin3
>   o Pin18
>   o Pin21
>   o Pin22
>   o Pin23
>   o Pin24
>   o Pin28
>   o Pin29
>   o Pin30
>   o Pin32
>   o Pin33
>   o Pin34
>   o Pin35
>   o Pin36
>   o Pin37
>   o Pin38
>   o Pin39
>   o Pin41
>   o Pin44
>   o Pin45
>   o Pin46
>   o Pin47
>   o Pin48
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-27 by lpc2100_fan

Hi,

there is a 48-pin LQFP package and that is just fine as is, the story
is about the PLCC package, which is easier to handle but afaik does
not exist as PLCC-48 but as PLCC-44.

Bob

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> Sorry if my question is stupid, but is it impossible to have a 48 pin 
> footprint? Why only 44 pins?
> 
> 
> Em Ter 27 Set 2005 18:19, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com escreveu:
> > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> > lpc2000 group:
> >
> > Rules:
> > need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48.
> > JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try
> > to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these
> > rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here:
> > http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> > 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> > Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information
> >
> >   o Pin1
> >   o Pin2
> >   o Pin3
> >   o Pin18
> >   o Pin21
> >   o Pin22
> >   o Pin23
> >   o Pin24
> >   o Pin28
> >   o Pin29
> >   o Pin30
> >   o Pin32
> >   o Pin33
> >   o Pin34
> >   o Pin35
> >   o Pin36
> >   o Pin37
> >   o Pin38
> >   o Pin39
> >   o Pin41
> >   o Pin44
> >   o Pin45
> >   o Pin46
> >   o Pin47
> >   o Pin48
> >
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Re: New poll for lpc2000 - compatibility

2005-09-27 by aeiderman

Why JTAG pins are not an option?

You can easily remove TRST pin (pin 8, P0.27) with
no damage to JTAG functionality (pin 8).

RTCK pin (pin 26) also have no significance at all.

Other pins that can be removed are P0.24 (pin 34) and
P0.26 (pin 39) so the whole set will be compatible to
LPC2148 which have no P0.24, P0.26 and P0.27.

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> lpc2000 group:
> 
> Rules:
> need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
> JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
> to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
> rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 
> 
>   o Pin1  
>   o Pin2 
>   o Pin3 
>   o Pin18 
>   o Pin21 
>   o Pin22 
>   o Pin23 
>   o Pin24 
>   o Pin28 
>   o Pin29 
>   o Pin30 
>   o Pin32 
>   o Pin33 
>   o Pin34 
>   o Pin35 
>   o Pin36 
>   o Pin37 
>   o Pin38 
>   o Pin39 
>   o Pin41 
>   o Pin44 
>   o Pin45 
>   o Pin46 
>   o Pin47 
>   o Pin48 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12143932 
> 
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Re: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-27 by daedalworks@comcast.net

The question I have is why the restriction of removing one pin from each side?  That really limits the possibilities...
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
lpc2000 group:

Rules:
need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
2101_2102_2103.pdf
Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 

  o Pin1  
  o Pin2 
  o Pin3 
  o Pin18 
  o Pin21 
  o Pin22 
  o Pin23 
  o Pin24 
  o Pin28 
  o Pin29 
  o Pin30 
  o Pin32 
  o Pin33 
  o Pin34 
  o Pin35 
  o Pin36 
  o Pin37 
  o Pin38 
  o Pin39 
  o Pin41 
  o Pin44 
  o Pin45 
  o Pin46 
  o Pin47 
  o Pin48 


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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-27 by seangra

To go to a 44-pin chip from a 48-pin chip you have to remove one pin 
from each side (the 44-pin package has only 11 pins per side, 
wherease the 48 pin package has 12).

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, daedalworks@c... wrote:
> The question I have is why the restriction of removing one pin 
from each side?  That really limits the possibilities...
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
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> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> lpc2000 group:
> 
> Rules:
> need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
> JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
> to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
> rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 
> 
>   o Pin1  
>   o Pin2 
>   o Pin3 
>   o Pin18 
>   o Pin21 
>   o Pin22 
>   o Pin23 
>   o Pin24 
>   o Pin28 
>   o Pin29 
>   o Pin30 
>   o Pin32 
>   o Pin33 
>   o Pin34 
>   o Pin35 
>   o Pin36 
>   o Pin37 
>   o Pin38 
>   o Pin39 
>   o Pin41 
>   o Pin44 
>   o Pin45 
>   o Pin46 
>   o Pin47 
>   o Pin48 
> 
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-27 by radim100

I understand that die layout dictates one pin from each side , but 
it is really limiting !!! Probably best 4 pin to take out would be 
GPIO/ANx pin since this way would remain 4 A/D and would not effect 
other nice features . For example to select one of the pin from side
PIN13 thru PIN24 is really "heart breaking" choice. I have dropped 
PIN18 since there is second I2c on PINS47,48 .
Would it be such a big deal have taken more pins on other sides and 
rearrange internal die to pins connection ?
Radim


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, daedalworks@c... wrote:
> The question I have is why the restriction of removing one pin 
from each side?  That really limits the possibilities...
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> lpc2000 group:
> 
> Rules:
> need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
> JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
> to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
> rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 
> 
>   o Pin1  
>   o Pin2 
>   o Pin3 
>   o Pin18 
>   o Pin21 
>   o Pin22 
>   o Pin23 
>   o Pin24 
>   o Pin28 
>   o Pin29 
>   o Pin30 
>   o Pin32 
>   o Pin33 
>   o Pin34 
>   o Pin35 
>   o Pin36 
>   o Pin37 
>   o Pin38 
>   o Pin39 
>   o Pin41 
>   o Pin44 
>   o Pin45 
>   o Pin46 
>   o Pin47 
>   o Pin48 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12143932 
> 
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-28 by philips_apps

Hi,

some more information: 
1. There might be a chance of taking away 2 pins on one side if they 
are 2 corner pins. 

2. JTAG pins are also used and needed for our final testing before 
we ship the device. There was a comment that RTCK is not needed in a 
JTAG setup, I did confirm that this is also true for our internal 
usage.

3. A redesign that would change the pin sequence is rather 
expensive, hint, we need to sell >> 1 Mio additional devices to 
compensate for that.

4. I enjoy you all sharing my pain :-)

Thanks a lot for all the feedback and I hope this also helps you all 
to understand the restrictions we are facing when using the same 
die, as mentioned in one of the comments, but not being able to use 
all of the pins. 

Robert


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "radim100" <radim100@y...> wrote:
> I understand that die layout dictates one pin from each side , but 
> it is really limiting !!! Probably best 4 pin to take out would be 
> GPIO/ANx pin since this way would remain 4 A/D and would not 
effect 
> other nice features . For example to select one of the pin from 
side
> PIN13 thru PIN24 is really "heart breaking" choice. I have dropped 
> PIN18 since there is second I2c on PINS47,48 .
> Would it be such a big deal have taken more pins on other sides 
and 
> rearrange internal die to pins connection ?
> Radim
> 
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, daedalworks@c... wrote:
> > The question I have is why the restriction of removing one pin 
> from each side?  That really limits the possibilities...
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > 
> > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> > lpc2000 group:
> > 
> > Rules:
> > need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
> > JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
> > to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
> > rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
> > http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> > 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> > Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 
> > 
> >   o Pin1  
> >   o Pin2 
> >   o Pin3 
> >   o Pin18 
> >   o Pin21 
> >   o Pin22 
> >   o Pin23 
> >   o Pin24 
> >   o Pin28 
> >   o Pin29 
> >   o Pin30 
> >   o Pin32 
> >   o Pin33 
> >   o Pin34 
> >   o Pin35 
> >   o Pin36 
> >   o Pin37 
> >   o Pin38 
> >   o Pin39 
> >   o Pin41 
> >   o Pin44 
> >   o Pin45 
> >   o Pin46 
> >   o Pin47 
> >   o Pin48 
> > 
> > 
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> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12143932 
> > 
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Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-28 by Michael Johnson

Hi,

>Hi,
>
>some more information: 
>1. There might be a chance of taking away 2 pins on one side if they 
>are 2 corner pins. 
>
>2. JTAG pins are also used and needed for our final testing before 
>we ship the device. There was a comment that RTCK is not needed in a 
>JTAG setup, I did confirm that this is also true for our internal 
>usage.
>  
>
Do you use/need JTAG-TRST? Given that these parts don't come out of 
reset under debug control I can't see that this pin is of much use.

Michael
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>3. A redesign that would change the pin sequence is rather 
>expensive, hint, we need to sell >> 1 Mio additional devices to 
>compensate for that.
>
>4. I enjoy you all sharing my pain :-)
>
>Thanks a lot for all the feedback and I hope this also helps you all 
>to understand the restrictions we are facing when using the same 
>die, as mentioned in one of the comments, but not being able to use 
>all of the pins. 
>
>Robert
>
>
>--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "radim100" <radim100@y...> wrote:
>  
>
>>I understand that die layout dictates one pin from each side , but 
>>it is really limiting !!! Probably best 4 pin to take out would be 
>>GPIO/ANx pin since this way would remain 4 A/D and would not 
>>    
>>
>effect 
>  
>
>>other nice features . For example to select one of the pin from 
>>    
>>
>side
>  
>
>>PIN13 thru PIN24 is really "heart breaking" choice. I have dropped 
>>PIN18 since there is second I2c on PINS47,48 .
>>Would it be such a big deal have taken more pins on other sides 
>>    
>>
>and 
>  
>
>>rearrange internal die to pins connection ?
>>Radim
>>
>>
>>--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, daedalworks@c... wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>The question I have is why the restriction of removing one pin 
>>>      
>>>
>>from each side?  That really limits the possibilities...
>>    
>>
>>>-------------- Original message -------------- 
>>>
>>>Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
>>>lpc2000 group:
>>>
>>>Rules:
>>>need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
>>>JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
>>>to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
>>>rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
>>>http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
>>>2101_2102_2103.pdf
>>>Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 
>>>
>>>  o Pin1  
>>>  o Pin2 
>>>  o Pin3 
>>>  o Pin18 
>>>  o Pin21 
>>>  o Pin22 
>>>  o Pin23 
>>>  o Pin24 
>>>  o Pin28 
>>>  o Pin29 
>>>  o Pin30 
>>>  o Pin32 
>>>  o Pin33 
>>>  o Pin34 
>>>  o Pin35 
>>>  o Pin36 
>>>  o Pin37 
>>>  o Pin38 
>>>  o Pin39 
>>>  o Pin41 
>>>  o Pin44 
>>>  o Pin45 
>>>  o Pin46 
>>>  o Pin47 
>>>  o Pin48 
>>>
>>>
>>>To vote, please visit the following web page:
>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12143932 
>>>
>>>Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
>>>not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! 
>>>      
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>>>web site listed above.
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>>>Thanks!
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Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-28 by Xtian Xultz

I understand, my question is, why not have a PLCC48 instead a PLCC44? Is it 
impossible to not have a PLC44 but only a PLCC48?


Em Ter 27 Set 2005 19:32, lpc2100_fan escreveu:
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> Hi,
>
> there is a 48-pin LQFP package and that is just fine as is, the story
> is about the PLCC package, which is easier to handle but afaik does
> not exist as PLCC-48 but as PLCC-44.
>
> Bob
>
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Xtian Xultz <xultz@t...> wrote:
> > Sorry if my question is stupid, but is it impossible to have a 48 pin
> > footprint? Why only 44 pins?
> >
> > Em Ter 27 Set 2005 18:19, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com escreveu:
> > > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> > > lpc2000 group:
> > >
> > > Rules:
> > > need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48.
> > > JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try
> > > to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these
> > > rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here:
> > > http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> > > 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> > > Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information
> > >
> > >   o Pin1
> > >   o Pin2
> > >   o Pin3
> > >   o Pin18
> > >   o Pin21
> > >   o Pin22
> > >   o Pin23
> > >   o Pin24
> > >   o Pin28
> > >   o Pin29
> > >   o Pin30
> > >   o Pin32
> > >   o Pin33
> > >   o Pin34
> > >   o Pin35
> > >   o Pin36
> > >   o Pin37
> > >   o Pin38
> > >   o Pin39
> > >   o Pin41
> > >   o Pin44
> > >   o Pin45
> > >   o Pin46
> > >   o Pin47
> > >   o Pin48
> > >
> > >
> > > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12143932
> > >
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> > >
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-28 by lpc2100_fan

A PLCC-48 does not exist, neither do sockets for a package that does
not exist. 

The whole purpose of a PLCC package is easy handling availability of
low cost mechanicle tools .... that all exists for a PLCC44 but
because the PLCC48 does not exist as such (or if it does, it would be
a very unusual package), the benefits are gone. 

Bob

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Xtian Xultz <xultz@t...> wrote:
> I understand, my question is, why not have a PLCC48 instead a
PLCC44? Is it 
> impossible to not have a PLC44 but only a PLCC48?
> 
> 
> Em Ter 27 Set 2005 19:32, lpc2100_fan escreveu:
> > Hi,
> >
> > there is a 48-pin LQFP package and that is just fine as is, the story
> > is about the PLCC package, which is easier to handle but afaik does
> > not exist as PLCC-48 but as PLCC-44.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Xtian Xultz <xultz@t...> wrote:
> > > Sorry if my question is stupid, but is it impossible to have a
48 pin
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> > > footprint? Why only 44 pins?
> > >
> > > Em Ter 27 Set 2005 18:19, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com escreveu:
> > > > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> > > > lpc2000 group:
> > > >
> > > > Rules:
> > > > need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48.
> > > > JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try
> > > > to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these
> > > > rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here:
> > > > http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> > > > 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> > > > Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information
> > > >
> > > >   o Pin1
> > > >   o Pin2
> > > >   o Pin3
> > > >   o Pin18
> > > >   o Pin21
> > > >   o Pin22
> > > >   o Pin23
> > > >   o Pin24
> > > >   o Pin28
> > > >   o Pin29
> > > >   o Pin30
> > > >   o Pin32
> > > >   o Pin33
> > > >   o Pin34
> > > >   o Pin35
> > > >   o Pin36
> > > >   o Pin37
> > > >   o Pin38
> > > >   o Pin39
> > > >   o Pin41
> > > >   o Pin44
> > > >   o Pin45
> > > >   o Pin46
> > > >   o Pin47
> > > >   o Pin48
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12143932
> > > >
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> > > > web site listed above.
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Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000 - use PLCC-52!

2005-09-28 by haare_in_der_dusche@yahoo.de

lpc2100_fan wrote:
> A PLCC-48 does not exist, neither do sockets for a package that does
> not exist. 

That is true.

But why insist on using PLCC-44, when there's a quite established 
PLCC-52 footprint?

Using _that_ package, no functionality restrictions were necessary ...

		
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Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000 - use PLCC-52!

2005-09-28 by Sebastien Jacquemard

A PLCC52 will be a great solution, it's effectively difficult to remove one
pin on each side, AIN7 and AIN2 no problem, but for the 2 other sides...
SSEL1 (3) ? and I2C0 for the last side, difficult to choose...

Sebastien
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Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000 - use PLCC-52!


> lpc2100_fan wrote:
> > A PLCC-48 does not exist, neither do sockets for a package that does
> > not exist.
>
> That is true.
>
> But why insist on using PLCC-44, when there's a quite established
> PLCC-52 footprint?
>
> Using _that_ package, no functionality restrictions were necessary ...
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-28 by Karl Olsen

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> Rules:
> need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
> JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
> to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
> rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
> http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 

I'd say that removing pin 44 (P0.14) is no option either.  With this 
pin floating at reset, you don't know whether the chip enters the 
bootloader or not.  Or is the serial bootloader now entered in some 
other way?

Karl Olsen

New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-28 by lpc2000@yahoogroups.com

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
lpc2000 group:

What package yould you prefer for the new LPC2000 family 
devices?

Note:  I have no influence whatsoever over what Philips does, 
and I have no indication that they would consider the results 
of this survey... 

  o LQFP-48 
  o PLCC-44 with less functionality (see previous poll) 
  o PLCC-52 (a bit larger, but well supported) 


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12144986 

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-28 by Xtian Xultz

Ok, its clear to me now (I develop few boards in SMT so please understand...)

Em Qua 28 Set 2005 13:57, lpc2100_fan escreveu:
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> A PLCC-48 does not exist, neither do sockets for a package that does
> not exist.
>
> The whole purpose of a PLCC package is easy handling availability of
> low cost mechanicle tools .... that all exists for a PLCC44 but
> because the PLCC48 does not exist as such (or if it does, it would be
> a very unusual package), the benefits are gone.
>
> Bob
>
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Xtian Xultz <xultz@t...> wrote:
> > I understand, my question is, why not have a PLCC48 instead a
>
> PLCC44? Is it
>
> > impossible to not have a PLC44 but only a PLCC48?
> >
> > Em Ter 27 Set 2005 19:32, lpc2100_fan escreveu:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > there is a 48-pin LQFP package and that is just fine as is, the story
> > > is about the PLCC package, which is easier to handle but afaik does
> > > not exist as PLCC-48 but as PLCC-44.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Xtian Xultz <xultz@t...> wrote:
> > > > Sorry if my question is stupid, but is it impossible to have a
>
> 48 pin
>
> > > > footprint? Why only 44 pins?
> > > >
> > > > Em Ter 27 Set 2005 18:19, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com escreveu:
> > > > > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> > > > > lpc2000 group:
> > > > >
> > > > > Rules:
> > > > > need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48.
> > > > > JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try
> > > > > to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these
> > > > > rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here:
> > > > > http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> > > > > 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> > > > > Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information
> > > > >
> > > > >   o Pin1
> > > > >   o Pin2
> > > > >   o Pin3
> > > > >   o Pin18
> > > > >   o Pin21
> > > > >   o Pin22
> > > > >   o Pin23
> > > > >   o Pin24
> > > > >   o Pin28
> > > > >   o Pin29
> > > > >   o Pin30
> > > > >   o Pin32
> > > > >   o Pin33
> > > > >   o Pin34
> > > > >   o Pin35
> > > > >   o Pin36
> > > > >   o Pin37
> > > > >   o Pin38
> > > > >   o Pin39
> > > > >   o Pin41
> > > > >   o Pin44
> > > > >   o Pin45
> > > > >   o Pin46
> > > > >   o Pin47
> > > > >   o Pin48
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12143932
> > > > >
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-29 by philips_apps

A little additional info why the focus on the PLCC44 package. It is 
cost and cost.  The resale price of a PLCC52 device would be more 
than 30 cent higher than that of a PLCC44. Most of our customers, so 
most of you would probably think that 8 pins difference will not 
make a big difference in price, well your judgement.  For us, 30 
cent is a very big difference considering that the average price of 
the LPC2101/2/3 is below $2, that is more than 15% price increase.

It is all about which package is used in how many millions already 
within the company. We have many devices in a PLCC44 but very few in 
a PLCC52. So we get a much better price for the PLCC44, so do you. 

By ignoring my own rules and in part because of the input from the 
group I checked with our engineering team and there is a good chance 
that the impact of a 44-pin will be very little. For example based 
on an input here, I checked what the RTCK is used for and the answer 
was, not needed in our enviroment, neither do most of the JTAG 
debuggers use it, so there was the candidate for one side. Pin 39 
was the favorite of the poll here as well, that is most likely going 
to be another one. 

For the other 2 pins we might have a chance to consolidate power 
pins. Will tell you by the end of the week after the meetings with 
the chip designers are finished. 

Hope you enjoy this interaction and the looks behind the scenes, 
definitely I do enjoy your input and the discussions on this forum!

Thank you all for the feedback already and feel free to provide 
more. 

Robert

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> lpc2000 group:
> 
> What package yould you prefer for the new LPC2000 family 
> devices?
> 
> Note:  I have no influence whatsoever over what Philips does, 
> and I have no indication that they would consider the results 
> of this survey... 
> 
>   o LQFP-48 
>   o PLCC-44 with less functionality (see previous poll) 
>   o PLCC-52 (a bit larger, but well supported) 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12144986 
> 
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
> web site listed above.
> 
> Thanks!

Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-29 by Gus

I could be the only one asking for this but I am really dreaming of 
an ARM DIP package that can be prototyped very easilyon a bread 
board. Or maybe someone out there will place the new small chips on 
a DIP-40 board but still sell it for $5

Gus
--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "philips_apps" <philips_apps@y...> 
wrote:
> A little additional info why the focus on the PLCC44 package. It 
is 
> cost and cost.  The resale price of a PLCC52 device would be more 
> than 30 cent higher than that of a PLCC44. Most of our customers, 
so 
> most of you would probably think that 8 pins difference will not 
> make a big difference in price, well your judgement.  For us, 30 
> cent is a very big difference considering that the average price 
of 
> the LPC2101/2/3 is below $2, that is more than 15% price increase.
> 
> It is all about which package is used in how many millions already 
> within the company. We have many devices in a PLCC44 but very few 
in 
> a PLCC52. So we get a much better price for the PLCC44, so do you. 
> 
> By ignoring my own rules and in part because of the input from the 
> group I checked with our engineering team and there is a good 
chance 
> that the impact of a 44-pin will be very little. For example based 
> on an input here, I checked what the RTCK is used for and the 
answer 
> was, not needed in our enviroment, neither do most of the JTAG 
> debuggers use it, so there was the candidate for one side. Pin 39 
> was the favorite of the poll here as well, that is most likely 
going 
> to be another one. 
> 
> For the other 2 pins we might have a chance to consolidate power 
> pins. Will tell you by the end of the week after the meetings with 
> the chip designers are finished. 
> 
> Hope you enjoy this interaction and the looks behind the scenes, 
> definitely I do enjoy your input and the discussions on this forum!
> 
> Thank you all for the feedback already and feel free to provide 
> more. 
> 
> Robert
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > 
> > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> > lpc2000 group:
> > 
> > What package yould you prefer for the new LPC2000 family 
> > devices?
> > 
> > Note:  I have no influence whatsoever over what Philips does, 
> > and I have no indication that they would consider the results 
> > of this survey... 
> > 
> >   o LQFP-48 
> >   o PLCC-44 with less functionality (see previous poll) 
> >   o PLCC-52 (a bit larger, but well supported) 
> > 
> > 
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12144986 
> > 
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
> > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! 
Groups 
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> > web site listed above.
> > 
> > Thanks!

Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-29 by Bob_xyz

There are a number of companies that make SMD-to-DIP adapter boards 
for prototyping. IIRC, one of the trade names used is "Surf-Board".


Regards, Bob


--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Gus" <gus_is_working@y...> wrote:
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> I could be the only one asking for this but I am really dreaming of 
> an ARM DIP package that can be prototyped very easilyon a bread 
> board. Or maybe someone out there will place the new small chips on 
> a DIP-40 board but still sell it for $5
> 
> Gus

Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-29 by Pont, Dr M.J.

>
> From: "Gus" 
> 
> I could be the only one asking for this but 
> I am really dreaming of an ARM DIP package 
> that can be prototyped very easilyon a bread 
> board. 

For those of us who spend some of our time teaching in universities, etc, this would be perfect.  

Price isn't too critial ($5?).

If you want to inspire people to buy LPC2xxx chips, then they need to get a flashing LED running on a breadboard in a project.  An evaluation board is good - but real engineers use a breadboard...

Michael.


+======================================+

 Michael J. Pont, PhD
 Embedded Systems Laboratory,
 University of Leicester

 http://www.le.ac.uk/eg/mjp9/

+======================================+

Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-29 by radim100

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_xyz" <bob_barr@h...> wrote:
> There are a number of companies that make SMD-to-DIP adapter 
boards 
> for prototyping. IIRC, one of the trade names used is "Surf-Board".
> 
> 
> Regards, Bob
> 
> 
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Gus" <gus_is_working@y...> wrote:
> > I could be the only one asking for this but I am really dreaming 
of 
> > an ARM DIP package that can be prototyped very easilyon a bread 
> > board. Or maybe someone out there will place the new small chips 
on 
> > a DIP-40 board but still sell it for $5
> > 
> > Gus

Hi , You may have to check these guys they migth have what you are 
looking for :
http://www.maramil.com/maramilcom_main

Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-29 by seangra

There's also another company that makes really cheap DIP prototype 
boards:

http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/boards/lpc213x.php

LPC2132 ( 64/16)   - 25EUR
LPC2138 (512/32)   - 35EUR
LPC2138 w/Ethernet - 55EUR

Not bad at all!  For bare minimum you don't even need to add any 
other components, just power and connectors (perhaps TTL->RS232 as 
well)

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "radim100" <radim100@y...> wrote:
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_xyz" <bob_barr@h...> wrote:
> > There are a number of companies that make SMD-to-DIP adapter 
> boards 
> > for prototyping. IIRC, one of the trade names used is "Surf-
Board".
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Bob
> > 
> > 
> > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Gus" <gus_is_working@y...> 
wrote:
> > > I could be the only one asking for this but I am really 
dreaming 
> of 
> > > an ARM DIP package that can be prototyped very easilyon a 
bread 
> > > board. Or maybe someone out there will place the new small 
chips 
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> on 
> > > a DIP-40 board but still sell it for $5
> > > 
> > > Gus
> 
> Hi , You may have to check these guys they migth have what you are 
> looking for :
> http://www.maramil.com/maramilcom_main

Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-30 by Earl Bollinger

www.newmicros.com has the nifty little Tini2106, Tini2136  and Tini2138 Arm(tm) units with a Phillips ARM MCU on a 24 pin .100" board which is about 1" square in size. Very easy to plug into a breadboard. it also has LED's built in and it's own voltage regulators, so it is easy to inferface to. Hooking up a JTAG programmer is easy too.
Only $29.00 each, cheaper by the dozen.
If you need more I/O they have the small Plug-a-Arm boards too.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: radim100 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:22 PM
  Subject: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000


  --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_xyz" <bob_barr@h...> wrote:
  > There are a number of companies that make SMD-to-DIP adapter 
  boards 
  > for prototyping. IIRC, one of the trade names used is "Surf-Board".
  > 
  > 
  > Regards, Bob
  > 
  > 
  > --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Gus" <gus_is_working@y...> wrote:
  > > I could be the only one asking for this but I am really dreaming 
  of 
  > > an ARM DIP package that can be prototyped very easilyon a bread 
  > > board. Or maybe someone out there will place the new small chips 
  on 
  > > a DIP-40 board but still sell it for $5
  > > 
  > > Gus

  Hi , You may have to check these guys they migth have what you are 
  looking for :
  http://www.maramil.com/maramilcom_main





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Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-30 by Rob Jansen

Indeed,

there are a lot of these boards out there, either poststamp size or 
DIP32/40 size.
I use these: http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/boards/ fairly 
cheap (35 - 45 EUR range) and each of their boards is almost delivered 
as a complete development kit containing a quickstart manual and a CD 
with software - this really got me up&running within 1 hour after 
unpacking the box - the biggest problem was finding a 5V powersupply 
with the correct cable :-)
Specially I like the RS232 connector on the boards, now I can just 
concentrate on my IO without bothering how to connect it to my 
(development) PC.
The lpc213x and 214x boards can even be powered by USB but if you cut up 
an unused USB cable any breadboard will be able to power from USB ;-)

Rob

Earl Bollinger wrote:
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> www.newmicros.com has the nifty little Tini2106, Tini2136  and 
> Tini2138 Arm(tm) units with a Phillips ARM MCU on a 24 pin .100" board 
> which is about 1" square in size. Very easy to plug into a breadboard. 
> it also has LED's built in and it's own voltage regulators, so it is 
> easy to inferface to. Hooking up a JTAG programmer is easy too.
> Only $29.00 each, cheaper by the dozen.
> If you need more I/O they have the small Plug-a-Arm boards too.

Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-30 by Michael Rubitschka

Hi

I think it is an anachronism to use dip anymore.
And second I don't see how to put more then 40 pins on dip.
There are many cheap prototyping boards that map an qfp ic to dip,
why not buying one of these ?

Real enginneers use smd ;-)

Cheers
Michael
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>From: "Pont, Dr M.J." <Michael.Pont@...>
>Reply-To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>To: <lpc2000@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000
>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:28:10 +0000
>
> >
> > From: "Gus"
> >
> > I could be the only one asking for this but
> > I am really dreaming of an ARM DIP package
> > that can be prototyped very easilyon a bread
> > board.
>
>For those of us who spend some of our time teaching in universities, etc, 
>this would be perfect.
>
>Price isn't too critial ($5?).
>
>If you want to inspire people to buy LPC2xxx chips, then they need to get a 
>flashing LED running on a breadboard in a project.  An evaluation board is 
>good - but real engineers use a breadboard...
>
>Michael.
>
>
>+======================================+
>
>  Michael J. Pont, PhD
>  Embedded Systems Laboratory,
>  University of Leicester
>
>  http://www.le.ac.uk/eg/mjp9/
>
>+======================================+
>

Re: [lpc2000] Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-09-30 by JM

>> > I could be the only one asking for this but
>> > I am really dreaming of an ARM DIP package
>> > that can be prototyped very easilyon a bread
>> > board.
>>

look at 
http://www.mcu.cz/modules/news/article.php?storyid=474
http://www.mcu.cz/modules/news/article.php?storyid=475
http://www.mcu.cz/modules/news/article.php?storyid=476

J.Masek

Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-10-03 by Gus

shouldn't the pin that selects the boot loader have a built in pull 
up? I thought it is not so smart to use a floating pin on all chips 
knowing that there are other pins that have pull up internally!

I hope it is going to move to a pin with pull up

Gus

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Olsen" <kro@p...> wrote:
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> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, lpc2000@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > 
> > Rules:
> > need to take off one pin from each side of the LQFP48. 
> > JTAG pins, Vdd, Vss and UART0 pins are not an option. Try 
> > to keep as much as possible functionality. Using these 
> > rules please select 4 pins. Data Sheet can be found here: 
> > http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/lpc2000/pdf/lpc
> > 2101_2102_2103.pdf
> > Chapter 5 (Page 4) has the pinout information 
> 
> I'd say that removing pin 44 (P0.14) is no option either.  With this 
> pin floating at reset, you don't know whether the chip enters the 
> bootloader or not.  Or is the serial bootloader now entered in some 
> other way?
> 
> Karl Olsen

New poll for lpc2000

2005-10-25 by lpc2000@yahoogroups.com

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
lpc2000 group:

What Debug tools do you use regularly? Sorry if your tools are not listed but I ran out of room. 

  o Abatron BDI1000/BDT2000 
  o American Arium SourcePoint 
  o American Arium GT-1000D/SC-1000A/LC-500 
  o ARM Angel Debug Montior 
  o ARM ADS or ADK 
  o Ashling PathFiner 
  o Ashling Opella/Genia 
  o EPI EDB Debugger 
  o EPI Majic-LT/LX/MT/PLUS 
  o GNU GDB/Insight 
  o Hitex HITOP 
  o Hitex Tantino 
  o IAR Embedded Workbench 
  o Keil uVision Debugger 
  o Keil ULINK 
  o Macraigor Wiggler or Equivalent 
  o Macraigor Raven/mpDemon/usbDemon 
  o Microcross Visual Tools 
  o Nohau Seehau + EMUL-ARM 
  o Rowling & A CrossWare 
  o Rowling & A Crosslink 
  o Segger JLINK  
  o Signum Chameleon 
  o Signum JTAGJet 
  o Optional ETM trace buffer monitor 


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12169499 

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
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Thanks!

Re: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000

2005-10-25 by Gilles FAURIE

I use "Keil uVision Debugger"


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Subject: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000


>
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> lpc2000 group:
>
> What Debug tools do you use regularly? Sorry if your tools are not listed 
> but I ran out of room.
>
>  o Abatron BDI1000/BDT2000
>  o American Arium SourcePoint
>  o American Arium GT-1000D/SC-1000A/LC-500
>  o ARM Angel Debug Montior
>  o ARM ADS or ADK
>  o Ashling PathFiner
>  o Ashling Opella/Genia
>  o EPI EDB Debugger
>  o EPI Majic-LT/LX/MT/PLUS
>  o GNU GDB/Insight
>  o Hitex HITOP
>  o Hitex Tantino
>  o IAR Embedded Workbench
>  o Keil uVision Debugger
>  o Keil ULINK
>  o Macraigor Wiggler or Equivalent
>  o Macraigor Raven/mpDemon/usbDemon
>  o Microcross Visual Tools
>  o Nohau Seehau + EMUL-ARM
>  o Rowling & A CrossWare
>  o Rowling & A Crosslink
>  o Segger JLINK
>  o Signum Chameleon
>  o Signum JTAGJet
>  o Optional ETM trace buffer monitor
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12169499
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000

2005-10-25 by Paul Curtis

At least get our company and product names right:

>   o Rowling & A CrossWare 
>   o Rowling & A Crosslink 

Rowley Associates CrossWorks
Rowley Associates CrossConnect

-- Paul.
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> From: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpc2000@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: 25 October 2005 03:34
> To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000
> 
> 
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> lpc2000 group:
> 
> What Debug tools do you use regularly? Sorry if your tools 
> are not listed but I ran out of room. 
> 
>   o Abatron BDI1000/BDT2000 
>   o American Arium SourcePoint 
>   o American Arium GT-1000D/SC-1000A/LC-500 
>   o ARM Angel Debug Montior 
>   o ARM ADS or ADK 
>   o Ashling PathFiner 
>   o Ashling Opella/Genia 
>   o EPI EDB Debugger 
>   o EPI Majic-LT/LX/MT/PLUS 
>   o GNU GDB/Insight 
>   o Hitex HITOP 
>   o Hitex Tantino 
>   o IAR Embedded Workbench 
>   o Keil uVision Debugger 
>   o Keil ULINK 
>   o Macraigor Wiggler or Equivalent 
>   o Macraigor Raven/mpDemon/usbDemon 
>   o Microcross Visual Tools 
>   o Nohau Seehau + EMUL-ARM 
>   o Rowling & A CrossWare 
>   o Rowling & A Crosslink 
>   o Segger JLINK  
>   o Signum Chameleon 
>   o Signum JTAGJet 
>   o Optional ETM trace buffer monitor 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12169499 
> 
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-10-25 by j_grimes

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Curtis" <plc@r...> wrote:

Yes I'm sorry.  I hope this is the only mistake.  I verified most of 
the info on the net but this one I totally screwed up.  All I can 
say is "dumb American" shame on you especially since you have the 
demo version on your notebook.  Sorry to everyone that voted because 
you'll have to enter your votes again :{.

>
> At least get our company and product names right:
> 
> >   o Rowling & A CrossWare 
> >   o Rowling & A Crosslink 
> 
> Rowley Associates CrossWorks
> Rowley Associates CrossConnect
> 
> -- Paul.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpc2000@yahoogroups.com]
> > Sent: 25 October 2005 03:34
> > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [lpc2000] New poll for lpc2000
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> > lpc2000 group:
> > 
> > What Debug tools do you use regularly? Sorry if your tools 
> > are not listed but I ran out of room. 
> > 
> >   o Abatron BDI1000/BDT2000 
> >   o American Arium SourcePoint 
> >   o American Arium GT-1000D/SC-1000A/LC-500 
> >   o ARM Angel Debug Montior 
> >   o ARM ADS or ADK 
> >   o Ashling PathFiner 
> >   o Ashling Opella/Genia 
> >   o EPI EDB Debugger 
> >   o EPI Majic-LT/LX/MT/PLUS 
> >   o GNU GDB/Insight 
> >   o Hitex HITOP 
> >   o Hitex Tantino 
> >   o IAR Embedded Workbench 
> >   o Keil uVision Debugger 
> >   o Keil ULINK 
> >   o Macraigor Wiggler or Equivalent 
> >   o Macraigor Raven/mpDemon/usbDemon 
> >   o Microcross Visual Tools 
> >   o Nohau Seehau + EMUL-ARM 
> >   o Rowling & A CrossWare 
> >   o Rowling & A Crosslink 
> >   o Segger JLINK  
> >   o Signum Chameleon 
> >   o Signum JTAGJet 
> >   o Optional ETM trace buffer monitor 
> > 
> > 
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/surveys?id=12169499 
> > 
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
> > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! 
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Re: New poll for lpc2000

2005-10-29 by struberg

o) singular 3.3V (1.8V sourced internally) on every new LPC device
o) 10/100 MAC with RMII

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.