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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Blagoj Kupev 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging


  Hi there,

  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
  few questions regarding debuging:
  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
  this true or i'm missing something?
  Best regards,
  Blagoj




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>I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
>
>I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
>
>Chris.
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>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Blagoj Kupev 
>  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
>  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
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>  Hi there,
>
>  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
>  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
>  few questions regarding debuging:
>  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
>  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
>  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
>  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
>  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
>  this true or i'm missing something?
>  Best regards,
>  Blagoj
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Johnson 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging


  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
  appropriate software to drive them.

  Michael

  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
  >
  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
  >
  >Chris.
  >
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  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
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  >
  >  Hi there,
  >
  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
  >  few questions regarding debuging:
  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
  >  this true or i'm missing something?
  >  Best regards,
  >  Blagoj
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>And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
>
>Chris.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Michael Johnson 
>  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
>  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>
>
>  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
>  appropriate software to drive them.
>
>  Michael
>
>  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
>  >
>  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
>  >
>  >Chris.
>  >
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>  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
>  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
>  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>  >
>  >
>  >  Hi there,
>  >
>  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
>  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
>  >  few questions regarding debuging:
>  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
>  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
>  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
>  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
>  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
>  >  this true or i'm missing something?
>  >  Best regards,
>  >  Blagoj
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>We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at 
>more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different 
>tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash download 
>speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
>
>Michael
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>>And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
>>
>>Chris.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Michael Johnson 
>> To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>>
>>
>> Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
>> appropriate software to drive them.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
>> >
>> >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
>> >
>> >Chris.
>> >
>> > 
>> >  ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
>> >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>> >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
>> >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>> >
>> >
>> >  Hi there,
>> >
>> >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
>> >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
>> >  few questions regarding debuging:
>> >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
>> >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
>> >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>> >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
>> >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
>> >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
>> >  this true or i'm missing something?
>> >  Best regards,
>> >  Blagoj
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Johnson 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging


  We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at 
  more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different 
  tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash download 
  speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.

  Michael

  >And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
  >
  >Chris.
  >
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Michael Johnson 
  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >
  >
  >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
  >  appropriate software to drive them.
  >
  >  Michael
  >
  >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
  >  >
  >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
  >  >
  >  >Chris.
  >  >
  >  > 
  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
  >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  Hi there,
  >  >
  >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
  >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
  >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
  >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
  >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
  >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
  >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
  >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
  >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
  >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
  >  >  Best regards,
  >  >  Blagoj
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>14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with the Signum JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of debuging at 14K.
>
>Chris.
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>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Michael Johnson 
>  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
>  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
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>  We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at 
>  more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different 
>  tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash download 
>  speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
>
>  Michael
>
>  >And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
>  >
>  >Chris.
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>  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >  From: Michael Johnson 
>  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
>  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>  >
>  >
>  >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
>  >  appropriate software to drive them.
>  >
>  >  Michael
>  >
>  >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
>  >  >
>  >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
>  >  >
>  >  >Chris.
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>  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
>  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
>  >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
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>  >  >
>  >  >  Hi there,
>  >  >
>  >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
>  >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
>  >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
>  >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
>  >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
>  >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>  >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
>  >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
>  >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
>  >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
>  >  >  Best regards,
>  >  >  Blagoj
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Johnson 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging


  Does 1M==1Mbyte or 128Kbyte? Which LPC21xx device are you using? Are you 
  downloading into flash? How long does it take for you to download 64K 
  bytes into the flash of an LPC21xx?

  Michael

  >14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with the Signum JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of debuging at 14K.
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  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
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  >  We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at 
  >  more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different 
  >  tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash download 
  >  speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
  >
  >  Michael
  >
  >  >And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
  >  >
  >  >Chris.
  >  >
  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  From: Michael Johnson 
  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
  >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
  >  >  appropriate software to drive them.
  >  >
  >  >  Michael
  >  >
  >  >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >Chris.
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  >  >  > 
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  >  >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
  >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
  >  >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >  >  >
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  >  >  >  Hi there,
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  >  >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
  >  >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
  >  >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
  >  >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
  >  >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
  >  >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
  >  >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
  >  >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
  >  >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
  >  >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
  >  >  >  Best regards,
  >  >  >  Blagoj
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>But the biggest difference is the Chameleon debugger of Signum.  That OCD is a joke, its not even a debugger, and the GNU Insight debugger ain't much better.  With Chameleon I can watch so many more things going on inside the CPU and it even breaks apart record structures and gives me the value on anything anytime I want, anywhere in my code.  Full display of both C and ASM real time, with both hardware and software breakpoints.  It is a top quality debugger.  One of the best I have ever used.  Feature rich.  Lots of powerful debugging features, in addition to full flash programming.
>
>Moreover, I can control which areas of flash get reprogrammed.  That has turned out to be very useful.  Sometimes I do not want data areas to be changed when I reload the code.  So I skip those address ranges.  Very handy.
>
>Chris.
>
> 
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Michael Johnson 
>  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
>  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>
>
>  Does 1M==1Mbyte or 128Kbyte? Which LPC21xx device are you using? Are you 
>  downloading into flash? How long does it take for you to download 64K 
>  bytes into the flash of an LPC21xx?
>
>  Michael
>
>  >14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with the Signum JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of debuging at 14K.
>  >
>  >Chris.
>  >
>  >
>  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >  From: Michael Johnson 
>  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
>  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>  >
>  >
>  >  We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at 
>  >  more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different 
>  >  tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash download 
>  >  speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
>  >
>  >  Michael
>  >
>  >  >And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
>  >  >
>  >  >Chris.
>  >  >
>  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >  >  From: Michael Johnson 
>  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
>  >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
>  >  >  appropriate software to drive them.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Michael
>  >  >
>  >  >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >Chris.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > 
>  >  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >  >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
>  >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>  >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
>  >  >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  Hi there,
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
>  >  >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
>  >  >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
>  >  >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
>  >  >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
>  >  >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>  >  >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
>  >  >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
>  >  >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
>  >  >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
>  >  >  >  Best regards,
>  >  >  >  Blagoj
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging



  >I mean 1 MegaByte per second.  That is my JTAG link speed.  I have 2 designs right now I am working with, a LPC2106 and an LPC2124.  The download to the Flash/RAM only takes a couple seconds or less.  But the programming of the flash takes about 6 seconds.  That is due to the internal speed limitations of the flash erase and programming.  My code is too big to run in RAM.  All my code must be run from flash.
  >  
  >
  What is the size of your program that takes 6 seconds to download to flash?

  Michael

  >But the biggest difference is the Chameleon debugger of Signum.  That OCD is a joke, its not even a debugger, and the GNU Insight debugger ain't much better.  With Chameleon I can watch so many more things going on inside the CPU and it even breaks apart record structures and gives me the value on anything anytime I want, anywhere in my code.  Full display of both C and ASM real time, with both hardware and software breakpoints.  It is a top quality debugger.  One of the best I have ever used.  Feature rich.  Lots of powerful debugging features, in addition to full flash programming.
  >
  >Moreover, I can control which areas of flash get reprogrammed.  That has turned out to be very useful.  Sometimes I do not want data areas to be changed when I reload the code.  So I skip those address ranges.  Very handy.
  >
  >Chris.
  >
  > 
  >
  >
  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  From: Michael Johnson 
  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >
  >
  >  Does 1M==1Mbyte or 128Kbyte? Which LPC21xx device are you using? Are you 
  >  downloading into flash? How long does it take for you to download 64K 
  >  bytes into the flash of an LPC21xx?
  >
  >  Michael
  >
  >  >14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with the Signum JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of debuging at 14K.
  >  >
  >  >Chris.
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  From: Michael Johnson 
  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
  >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at 
  >  >  more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different 
  >  >  tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash download 
  >  >  speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
  >  >
  >  >  Michael
  >  >
  >  >  >And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >Chris.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  >  From: Michael Johnson 
  >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
  >  >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >  >  >
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the 
  >  >  >  appropriate software to drive them.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  Michael
  >  >  >
  >  >  >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
  >  >  >  >
  >  >  >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
  >  >  >  >
  >  >  >  >Chris.
  >  >  >  >
  >  >  >  > 
  >  >  >  >  ----- Original Message ----- 
  >  >  >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev 
  >  >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  >  >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
  >  >  >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >  >  >  >
  >  >  >  >
  >  >  >  >  Hi there,
  >  >  >  >
  >  >  >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
  >  >  >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
  >  >  >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
  >  >  >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
  >  >  >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
  >  >  >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
  >  >  >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
  >  >  >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
  >  >  >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
  >  >  >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
  >  >  >  >  Best regards,
  >  >  >  >  Blagoj
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> Chris.
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Michael Johnson
>   To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:26 PM
>   Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
> 
> 
> 
>   >I mean 1 MegaByte per second.  That is my JTAG link speed. 
>  I have 2 designs right now I am working with, a LPC2106 and 
> an LPC2124.  The download to the Flash/RAM only takes a 
> couple seconds or less.  But the programming of the flash 
> takes about 6 seconds.  That is due to the internal speed 
> limitations of the flash erase and programming.  My code is 
> too big to run in RAM.  All my code must be run from flash.
>   >
>   >
>   What is the size of your program that takes 6 seconds to 
> download to flash?
> 
>   Michael
> 
>   >But the biggest difference is the Chameleon debugger of 
> Signum.  That OCD is a joke, its not even a debugger, and the 
> GNU Insight debugger ain't much better.  With Chameleon I can 
> watch so many more things going on inside the CPU and it even 
> breaks apart record structures and gives me the value on 
> anything anytime I want, anywhere in my code.  Full display 
> of both C and ASM real time, with both hardware and software 
> breakpoints.  It is a top quality debugger.  One of the best 
> I have ever used.  Feature rich.  Lots of powerful debugging 
> features, in addition to full flash programming.
>   >
>   >Moreover, I can control which areas of flash get 
> reprogrammed.  That has turned out to be very useful.  
> Sometimes I do not want data areas to be changed when I 
> reload the code.  So I skip those address ranges.  Very handy.
>   >
>   >Chris.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >  From: Michael Johnson
>   >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
>   >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>   >
>   >
>   >  Does 1M==1Mbyte or 128Kbyte? Which LPC21xx device are 
> you using? Are you
>   >  downloading into flash? How long does it take for you to 
> download 64K
>   >  bytes into the flash of an LPC21xx?
>   >
>   >  Michael
>   >
>   >  >14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with 
> the Signum JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of 
> debuging at 14K.
>   >  >
>   >  >Chris.
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >  >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >  >  From: Michael Johnson
>   >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
>   >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >  >  We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC 
> parallel port at
>   >  >  more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - 
> EPP/ECP is a different
>   >  >  tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM 
> has a flash download
>   >  >  speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
>   >  >
>   >  >  Michael
>   >  >
>   >  >  >And what would that be?  I thought that a download 
> of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware 
> should likely work.  I can understand some really limited 
> features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
>   >  >  >
>   >  >  >Chris.
>   >  >  >
>   >  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >  >  >  From: Michael Johnson
>   >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
>   >  >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>   >  >  >
>   >  >  >
>   >  >  >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps 
> even buy) the
>   >  >  >  appropriate software to drive them.
>   >  >  >
>   >  >  >  Michael
>   >  >  >
>   >  >  >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had 
> problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low 
> speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In 
> order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you 
> have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
>   >  >  >  >
>   >  >  >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It 
> downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb 
> C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much 
> prefer a professional debugger.
>   >  >  >  >
>   >  >  >  >Chris.
>   >  >  >  >
>   >  >  >  >
>   >  >  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >  >  >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev
>   >  >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   >  >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
>   >  >  >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>   >  >  >  >
>   >  >  >  >
>   >  >  >  >  Hi there,
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>   >  >  >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks 
> strange to me. I've
>   >  >  >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have 
> MCB2130 from Keil. I have
>   >  >  >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
>   >  >  >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 
> times slower compared to
>   >  >  >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using 
> Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not
>   >  >  >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>   >  >  >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not 
> clear to me if i can
>   >  >  >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that 
> OCD Remote does not
>   >  >  >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred 
> for debugging in flash. Is
>   >  >  >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
>   >  >  >  >  Best regards,
>   >  >  >  >  Blagoj
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>I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. I've 
>build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from Keil. I have 
>few questions regarding debuging:
>1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower compared to 
>debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not 
>connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if i can 
>debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does not 
>support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in flash. Is 
>this true or i'm missing something?
>Best regards,
>Blagoj
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Curtis 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:41 AM
  Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging


  Hi, 

  > The time is all due to the erase I think.  As I recall it 
  > takes about 0.3 Sec per sector and there are about 16 
  > sectors, so that is about 5 seconds right there.   Normally 
  > the defaut is to erase the entire part and that is what takes 
  > a few seconds.   My code on this one part right now is about 
  > 48K.  Moving the data doesn't take anytime at all.  It's 
  > waiting for the slow internal LPC flash processing.

  Ok, so 48K in 6 seconds is 8K per second to download and flash.  Gee.
  That's way slower than CrossWorks' wiggler implementation which will
  erase, download, and flash at 14KB per second on an LPC.  The
  CrossConnect will download and flash at 34K per second on an LPC.  So,
  if you have 48K, the CrossConnect will erase, download, and complete
  flashing within 2s 2s of hitting the Go button.

  Seems like the JTAGjet isn't quick so "jet" after all.

  -- Paul.

  > 
  > Chris.
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Michael Johnson
  >   To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:26 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >   >I mean 1 MegaByte per second.  That is my JTAG link speed. 
  >  I have 2 designs right now I am working with, a LPC2106 and 
  > an LPC2124.  The download to the Flash/RAM only takes a 
  > couple seconds or less.  But the programming of the flash 
  > takes about 6 seconds.  That is due to the internal speed 
  > limitations of the flash erase and programming.  My code is 
  > too big to run in RAM.  All my code must be run from flash.
  >   >
  >   >
  >   What is the size of your program that takes 6 seconds to 
  > download to flash?
  > 
  >   Michael
  > 
  >   >But the biggest difference is the Chameleon debugger of 
  > Signum.  That OCD is a joke, its not even a debugger, and the 
  > GNU Insight debugger ain't much better.  With Chameleon I can 
  > watch so many more things going on inside the CPU and it even 
  > breaks apart record structures and gives me the value on 
  > anything anytime I want, anywhere in my code.  Full display 
  > of both C and ASM real time, with both hardware and software 
  > breakpoints.  It is a top quality debugger.  One of the best 
  > I have ever used.  Feature rich.  Lots of powerful debugging 
  > features, in addition to full flash programming.
  >   >
  >   >Moreover, I can control which areas of flash get 
  > reprogrammed.  That has turned out to be very useful.  
  > Sometimes I do not want data areas to be changed when I 
  > reload the code.  So I skip those address ranges.  Very handy.
  >   >
  >   >Chris.
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >  ----- Original Message -----
  >   >  From: Michael Johnson
  >   >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
  >   >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >  Does 1M==1Mbyte or 128Kbyte? Which LPC21xx device are 
  > you using? Are you
  >   >  downloading into flash? How long does it take for you to 
  > download 64K
  >   >  bytes into the flash of an LPC21xx?
  >   >
  >   >  Michael
  >   >
  >   >  >14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with 
  > the Signum JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of 
  > debuging at 14K.
  >   >  >
  >   >  >Chris.
  >   >  >
  >   >  >
  >   >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >   >  >  From: Michael Johnson
  >   >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
  >   >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >   >  >
  >   >  >
  >   >  >  We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC 
  > parallel port at
  >   >  >  more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - 
  > EPP/ECP is a different
  >   >  >  tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM 
  > has a flash download
  >   >  >  speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
  >   >  >
  >   >  >  Michael
  >   >  >
  >   >  >  >And what would that be?  I thought that a download 
  > of the OCD app from the same people who make the hardware 
  > should likely work.  I can understand some really limited 
  > features, but a 4kHz connection speed? That really surprised me.
  >   >  >  >
  >   >  >  >Chris.
  >   >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >   >  >  >  From: Michael Johnson
  >   >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
  >   >  >  >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >   >  >  >
  >   >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps 
  > even buy) the
  >   >  >  >  appropriate software to drive them.
  >   >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  Michael
  >   >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had 
  > problems connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low 
  > speeds.  The OCD is not a professional level debugger.  In 
  > order to debug a program that you intend to run in FLASH, you 
  > have to download your program into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
  >   >  >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It 
  > downloads and programs to flash, as well as having a superb 
  > C/ASM debugger.   I use the GNUARM for compiling, but I much 
  > prefer a professional debugger.
  >   >  >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >Chris.
  >   >  >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >   >  >  >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev
  >   >  >  >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   >  >  >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
  >   >  >  >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >   >  >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >  Hi there,
  >   >  >  >  >
  >   >  >  >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks 
  > strange to me. I've
  >   >  >  >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have 
  > MCB2130 from Keil. I have
  >   >  >  >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
  >   >  >  >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 
  > times slower compared to
  >   >  >  >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using 
  > Rowley's Cross Studio? (i can not
  >   >  >  >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
  >   >  >  >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not 
  > clear to me if i can
  >   >  >  >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that 
  > OCD Remote does not
  >   >  >  >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred 
  > for debugging in flash. Is
  >   >  >  >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
  >   >  >  >  >  Best regards,
  >   >  >  >  >  Blagoj
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> 14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with the Signum 
> JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of debuging at 14K.
>
> Chris.
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Michael Johnson
>   To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
>   Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>
>
>   We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at
>   more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different
>   tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash 
> download
>   speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
>
>   Michael
>
>   >And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app 
> from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can 
> understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? 
> That really surprised me.
>   >
>   >Chris.
>   >
>   >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >  From: Michael Johnson
>   >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
>   >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>   >
>   >
>   >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the
>   >  appropriate software to drive them.
>   >
>   >  Michael
>   >
>   >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems 
> connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD 
> is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program 
> that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program 
> into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
>   >  >
>   >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and 
> programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use 
> the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
>   >  >
>   >  >Chris.
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >  >  ----- Original Message -----
>   >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev
>   >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
>   >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
>   >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >  >  Hi there,
>   >  >
>   >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. 
> I've
>   >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from 
> Keil. I have
>   >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
>   >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower 
> compared to
>   >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross 
> Studio? (i can not
>   >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
>   >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if 
> i can
>   >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does 
> not
>   >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in 
> flash. Is
>   >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
>   >  >  Best regards,
>   >  >  Blagoj
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>Chris, 
>
>  
>
>>I guess you missed the point.
>>    
>>
>
>Well, let's work through it shall we.
>
>  
>
>>The programming time is 
>>limited by the internal operation of the LPC CPU.
>>    
>>
>
>Sure.  I understand that.
>
>  
>
>>Erasing sectors is time controlled by the CPU.  The jtag link has 
>>nothing to do with this.  Those time delays are the same for 
>>any programmer.  Just try doing some IAP yourself from your 
>>own internal code and you will understand real quick.  You 
>>can't do it any faster even from inside the CPU.
>>    
>>
>
>I'm sorry if I'm a little thick here.  You'll need to help me with the
>mathematics.
>
>Here's a little dump of what CrossWorks does when downloading using a
>CrossConnect:
>
>Downloading Loader to USB CrossConnect for ARM
>Programming 3.6 KB at 0x40000000
>Programming completed in 141 ms -- 26,808 bytes/sec
>Downloading keil_mcb2140.elf to USB CrossConnect for ARM
>Erasing completed in 2.1 s -- 23,499 bytes/sec
>Programming 47.4 KB at 0x0
>Programming completed in 1.5 s -- 32,575 bytes/sec
>Verifying keil_mcb2140.elf on USB CrossConnect for ARM
>Verifying completed in 375 ms -- 130,216 bytes/sec
>
>I downloaded 3.6K to RAM in 141ms, then I erased the LPC2k's flash in
>2.1s, then I downloaded 47.5K to flash in 1.5s, and then I verified that
>it had downloaded correctly in 375ms.
>
>Total time from cold to debugging = 4.1s.
>
>With a wiggler:
>
>Downloading Loader to Macraigor Wiggler (20 Pin)
>Programming 3.6 KB  at 0x40000000
>Programming completed in 312 ms --12,320 bytes/sec
>Downloading keil_mcb2140.elf to Macraigor Wiggler (20 Pin)
>Erasing completed in 2.0 s -- 24,078 bytes/sec
>Programming 47.4 KB at 0x0
>Programming completed in 2.9 s -- 16,859 bytes/sec
>Verifying keil_mcb2140.elf on Macraigor Wiggler (20 Pin)
>Verifying completed in 390 ms --126,317 bytes/sec
>
>So, I downloaded 3.6K to RAM in 312ms, then I erased the LPC2k's flash
>in 2.0s, then I downloaded 47.5K to flash in 2.9s, and then I verified
>that it had downloaded correctly in 390ms.
>
>Total time from cold to debugging = 5.6s.
>
>You said:
>
>"The download to the Flash/RAM only takes a couple seconds or less. But
>the programming of the flash takes about 6 seconds.  That is due to the
>internal speed..."
>
>Yes, so eight seconds for 48K to download and program.  That compares to
>5.6s to download and program on the wiggler and 4.1s on the
>CrossConnect.
>
>So, where am I making my mistake, and why is the JTAGjet so much better?
>
>-- Paul.
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----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Matthias Hertel 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging


  You do flash programming at 1MB/s on an LPC2xxx controller?

  > 14K Wow.  And I thought the 1M rate I'm getting with the Signum 
  > JetJTAG was slow.  I can't imagine doing tons of debuging at 14K.
  >
  > Chris.
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Michael Johnson
  >   To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:58 AM
  >   Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >
  >
  >   We've found that you can't drive the signals on a PC parallel port at
  >   more than 4kHz (this is in GPIO/bit bang mode - EPP/ECP is a different
  >   tale). Even with this limitation CrossWorks for ARM has a flash 
  > download
  >   speed of 14Kbytes per second to the LPC21xx.
  >
  >   Michael
  >
  >   >And what would that be?  I thought that a download of the OCD app 
  > from the same people who make the hardware should likely work.  I can 
  > understand some really limited features, but a 4kHz connection speed? 
  > That really surprised me.
  >   >
  >   >Chris.
  >   >
  >   >  ----- Original Message -----
  >   >  From: Michael Johnson
  >   >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:37 AM
  >   >  Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >  Wigglers work - you just have to choose (perhaps even buy) the
  >   >  appropriate software to drive them.
  >   >
  >   >  Michael
  >   >
  >   >  >I saw the same problem with the wiggler.  Had problems 
  > connecting to my LPC2104 at anything but really low speeds.  The OCD 
  > is not a professional level debugger.  In order to debug a program 
  > that you intend to run in FLASH, you have to download your program 
  > into FLASH.  OCD can't do this.
  >   >  >
  >   >  >I bought a Signum JTAGJet and it is worth it. It downloads and 
  > programs to flash, as well as having a superb C/ASM debugger.   I use 
  > the GNUARM for compiling, but I much prefer a professional debugger.
  >   >  >
  >   >  >Chris.
  >   >  >
  >   >  >
  >   >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >   >  >  From: Blagoj Kupev
  >   >  >  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
  >   >  >  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:09 AM
  >   >  >  Subject: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging
  >   >  >
  >   >  >
  >   >  >  Hi there,
  >   >  >
  >   >  >  I'm beginner in ARM7 world and everything looks strange to me. 
  > I've
  >   >  >  build wiggler compatible interface and i have MCB2130 from 
  > Keil. I have
  >   >  >  few questions regarding debuging:
  >   >  >  1. Why OCD Remote/Insight combination works 10 times slower 
  > compared to
  >   >  >  debug speed when i try to debug same SW using Rowley's Cross 
  > Studio? (i can not
  >   >  >  connect OCD Remote with speed parameter lower than 3).
  >   >  >  2. I found some discussion but still it is not clear to me if 
  > i can
  >   >  >  debug sw in flash with OCD Remote? I read that OCD Remote does 
  > not
  >   >  >  support hardware breakpoints that is requred for debugging in 
  > flash. Is
  >   >  >  this true or i'm missing something?
  >   >  >  Best regards,
  >   >  >  Blagoj
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Curtis 
  To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:21 AM
  Subject: RE: [lpc2000] Slow OCD Remote/Insight debugging


  Chris, 

  > I guess you missed the point.

  Well, let's work through it shall we.

  > The programming time is 
  > limited by the internal operation of the LPC CPU.

  Sure.  I understand that.

  > Erasing sectors is time controlled by the CPU.  The jtag link has 
  > nothing to do with this.  Those time delays are the same for 
  > any programmer.  Just try doing some IAP yourself from your 
  > own internal code and you will understand real quick.  You 
  > can't do it any faster even from inside the CPU.

  I'm sorry if I'm a little thick here.  You'll need to help me with the
  mathematics.

  Here's a little dump of what CrossWorks does when downloading using a
  CrossConnect:

  Downloading Loader to USB CrossConnect for ARM
  Programming 3.6 KB at 0x40000000
  Programming completed in 141 ms -- 26,808 bytes/sec
  Downloading keil_mcb2140.elf to USB CrossConnect for ARM
  Erasing completed in 2.1 s -- 23,499 bytes/sec
  Programming 47.4 KB at 0x0
  Programming completed in 1.5 s -- 32,575 bytes/sec
  Verifying keil_mcb2140.elf on USB CrossConnect for ARM
  Verifying completed in 375 ms -- 130,216 bytes/sec

  I downloaded 3.6K to RAM in 141ms, then I erased the LPC2k's flash in
  2.1s, then I downloaded 47.5K to flash in 1.5s, and then I verified that
  it had downloaded correctly in 375ms.

  Total time from cold to debugging = 4.1s.

  With a wiggler:

  Downloading Loader to Macraigor Wiggler (20 Pin)
  Programming 3.6 KB  at 0x40000000
  Programming completed in 312 ms --12,320 bytes/sec
  Downloading keil_mcb2140.elf to Macraigor Wiggler (20 Pin)
  Erasing completed in 2.0 s -- 24,078 bytes/sec
  Programming 47.4 KB at 0x0
  Programming completed in 2.9 s -- 16,859 bytes/sec
  Verifying keil_mcb2140.elf on Macraigor Wiggler (20 Pin)
  Verifying completed in 390 ms --126,317 bytes/sec

  So, I downloaded 3.6K to RAM in 312ms, then I erased the LPC2k's flash
  in 2.0s, then I downloaded 47.5K to flash in 2.9s, and then I verified
  that it had downloaded correctly in 390ms.

  Total time from cold to debugging = 5.6s.

  You said:

  "The download to the Flash/RAM only takes a couple seconds or less. But
  the programming of the flash takes about 6 seconds.  That is due to the
  internal speed..."

  Yes, so eight seconds for 48K to download and program.  That compares to
  5.6s to download and program on the wiggler and 4.1s on the
  CrossConnect.

  So, where am I making my mistake, and why is the JTAGjet so much better?

  -- Paul.





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> the CrossConnect is faster.
> 
> -- Paul.

> The Signum JTAGjet claims download speed in excess of 1 MByte/sec,
> not 1Mbit/sec. From the Signum web site
> http://www.signum.com/Signum.htm
> "Actual speed 1.062 Mbyte/sec tested with ARM Evaluator 7T board and
> 600 MHz Pentium III PC with USB 2.0 port. Faster PCs may yield faster
> downloads."

>John Heenan
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>--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Curtis" <plc@r...> wrote:
>  
>
>>Chris, 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>When I said 5 or 6 seconds, I was not trying to be that 
>>>precise.  These were not measurements taken with any stop 
>>>watch or by any elaborate timing method.  That was just my 
>>>feeling.  It could be anywhere from 3-7 seconds as far as I 
>>>now.  I don't pay that close attention to it.  I'm always 
>>>erasing different amounts of memory.  Sometimes it is all 
>>>256K, and other times it is just 32K.  It depends.  So I get 
>>>different times.
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>>>But programming is not what my point was about, as far as 
>>>being JTAG speed.  Reading back the data for large blocks 
>>>during debugging is where the speed comes in.  Stopping and 
>>>starting breakpoints is when the data has to be pulled back 
>>>through the JTAG.  That is a lot faster at 1M than at 14K.  
>>>All of my half dozen windows fill quick.
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>>hardware are comparible and, as far as I can tell form what you've 
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>>600 MHz Pentium III PC with USB 2.0 port. Faster PCs may yield faster
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> I am not an expert on the limiting issues of maximum JTAG TCK 
> clocking speeds, however I suspect if there are such issues it is has 
> to do with factors independent of the part, which may be simply 
> solved. For example using proper speed cabling and including simple 
> RC filters to reduce signal crossover at high speeds near part pins.
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> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Curtis" <plc@r...> wrote:

> > Try this link.  http://www.arm.com/support/faqip/3732.html.  
> Extracting
> > the relevent details, "If the RTCK output is not used, it is 
> required
> > that TCK is running at a maximum of 1/6th the system clock 
> frequency if
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> Suppose RTCK is used then the limitation does not apply.
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> Suppose the system clock frequency is 60Mhz. Then TCK maximum is 
> 10Mhz if RTCK output is not taken advantage of. 
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> of which is wiring. 
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> It would be nice to know what the limiting factor is to investigate 
> if it can be overcome and so use the more capable debug tools to 
> their full capacity. 
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> John Heenan
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> > >> Try this link.  http://www.arm.com/support/faqip/3732.html.  
> Extracting
> > >> the relevent details, "If the RTCK output is not used, it is 
> required
> > >> that TCK is running at a maximum of 1/6th the system clock 
> frequency if
> > >> only 1 JTAG synchroniser is implemented in the system."  
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> > I use both the Adaptive clocking (RTCK) and fixed freq on my 
> JTAGjet.  It does both equally well.
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> > >> For example using proper speed cabling 
> > >> and including simple RC filters to reduce signal crossover at 
> > >> high speeds near part pins.
> > > No, you're completely wrong here.  The factors are part of the 
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> > > design on the part, as the above link shows.
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> > Correct.  I have actually tried attaching caps on the JTAG header 
> pins and nothing I did made any difference on the 4MHz speed 
> limitation.
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> I am sorry but I don't regard this as conclusive.
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> John Heenan
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> > pins and nothing I did made any difference on the 4MHz speed 
> > limitation.
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> > I am sorry but I don't regard this as conclusive.
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> > John Heenan
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