VZ-8M
2001-06-01 by veygoth@buckeye-express.com
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2001-06-01 by veygoth@buckeye-express.com
Thanks to the recommendations of the group a while back I picked up a VZ-8M for $99 on Ebay. Not a bad deal from what I've seen. What is the patch compatibility of this device? I would guess that it's fully compatible with VZ-1 and VZ-10M patches/sysex. How about the CZ patch compatibility?
2001-06-01 by Furman, Jon W.
100% compatibility with VZ-10/1, 0 compatibility with the CZ series. Practically speaking the VZs and the CZs are really very different animals.
-----Original Message----- From: veygoth@... [SMTP:veygoth@...] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:06 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] VZ-8M Thanks to the recommendations of the group a while back I picked up a VZ-8M for $99 on Ebay. Not a bad deal from what I've seen. What is the patch compatibility of this device? I would guess that it's fully compatible with VZ-1 and VZ-10M patches/sysex. How about the CZ patch compatibility? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2001-06-01 by Jeremy Pinkham
Your questions were already answered by Jon Furman, but here are some other facts I picked up about the VZ-8M over on the EZ-VZ site, in case they are of interest: * better stereo effects than the VZ-1 and VZ-10M -- apparently stereo panning is unique to this unit * less polyphony per box than the VZ-10M, but unlike the VZ-10M, you can chain a bunch of them together to get 64-voice polyphony * no graphic display? unlike VZ-1 and VZ-10M, patch editing must be done with a computer * the only VZ that can be used with the Casio guitar synth and wind synth, I believe * you can actually edit sounds on the VZ-8M, save them to a RAM card, and insert that card in the Casio guitar synth to get new sounds Note, I don't have one myself. Just gathered this much from research. -- jp
-----Original Message----- From: veygoth@... [mailto:veygoth@...] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:06 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] VZ-8M Thanks to the recommendations of the group a while back I picked up a VZ-8M for $99 on Ebay. [...] What is the patch compatibility of this device? I would guess that it's fully compatible with VZ-1 and VZ-10M patches/sysex. How about the CZ patch compatibility?
2001-06-01 by Furman, Jon W.
Thanks for filling in some of the details Jeremy, I have both an 8 and a10 and what you've said is all correct and dead on target. I personally think that the VZ-8m's handling of stereo is a vast improvement over what Casio had been doing before (CZ-1, VZ-1 etc.). I've never linked up multiple 8ms but I would imagine that if that works pretty well then the 2 or more 8ms linked pretty much destroys a single VZ10/1. Maybe someday I'll pick up a second 8m and check it out. Also I've never programmed a VZ with the screen, I do all my editing via PC, the patches get pretty complicated so that even with the VZ1/10's better display I'm not sure how much it really helps.
-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Pinkham [SMTP:forms@...] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:23 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [CZsynth] VZ-8M Your questions were already answered by Jon Furman, but here are some other facts I picked up about the VZ-8M over on the EZ-VZ site, in case they are of interest: * better stereo effects than the VZ-1 and VZ-10M -- apparently stereo panning is unique to this unit * less polyphony per box than the VZ-10M, but unlike the VZ-10M, you can chain a bunch of them together to get 64-voice polyphony * no graphic display? unlike VZ-1 and VZ-10M, patch editing must be done with a computer * the only VZ that can be used with the Casio guitar synth and wind synth, I believe * you can actually edit sounds on the VZ-8M, save them to a RAM card, and insert that card in the Casio guitar synth to get new sounds Note, I don't have one myself. Just gathered this much from research. -- jp -----Original Message----- From: veygoth@... [mailto:veygoth@...] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:06 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] VZ-8M Thanks to the recommendations of the group a while back I picked up a VZ-8M for $99 on Ebay. [...] What is the patch compatibility of this device? I would guess that it's fully compatible with VZ-1 and VZ-10M patches/sysex. How about the CZ patch compatibility? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2001-06-02 by Jeremy Pinkham
I got myself so worked up chatting about it here, I bought a VZ-8M shortly after this discussion earlier today for $100 with docs, as well as one RAM and one ROM cart. Should be pretty cool. Don't know when it will arrive by mail. Discovered this page, which has a lot of cool VZ tips: http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/uspkbd.htm Should also be getting my new (to me) CZ-1 on Wednesday... It's the replacement for my 15-year old, totally trashed CZ-5000. I've never played a CZ synth with velocity and aftertouch before, so this should be a neat experience... I'm a Casiophile; what can I say? -- jp
-----Original Message----- From: Furman, Jon W. [mailto:jfurman@...] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:32 PM To: 'CZsynth@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [CZsynth] VZ-8M Thanks for filling in some of the details Jeremy, I have both an 8 and a10 and what you've said is all correct and dead on target.
2001-06-03 by john w.
this is going to make me seem stupid, seeing as i am on this list and all, but i have never seen a casio vz. are they similar to the cz series? nate http://www.angelfire.com/art/trf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
2001-06-03 by Jeremy Pinkham
Nate wrote: "i have never seen a casio vz. are they similar to the cz series?" The VZ series was Casio's failed follow-up to the successful CZ series. However, the failure of these synths wasn't due to inferior quality. I've read two different accounts of Casio's withdrawal from the pro synth market. One claims that the Casio VZs didn't sell well because sample-playback synths were coming into fashion and the VZ, as a pure synth sounded less realistic. Another account claims that the VZs actually sold well for a pro synth, but Casio was used to sales volume in the consumer mass marketplace, and were shocked that the fluke ultra-success of the CZ line wasn't replicated by the VZs. Casio, according to that account, weren't willing to waste time on a niche market like pro instruments when they could sell millions of calculators and toy keyboards instead. Anyway, there are three VZ models. The VZ-1, which is a keyboard, and the VZ-10M and VZ-8M, which are both rack-mounted tone generators. For more information on the VZs, here are some links: http://www.steveandsally.freeserve.co.uk/casio/ http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Casio/VZ-1-01.html http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Casio/VZ-10M-01.html http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/Casio_VZ1.cfm http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/vz10m.cfm http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Casio/VZ/ Note that Harmony Central and Sonic State also have sections on all of the CZ synths, if you're interested in more info on them. Enjoy! -- jp
2001-06-03 by Summa
Hi,
they're both using Phase Distortion ... better known as Phase Modulation
what Yamaha calls FM...
Other then that, the CZ is PM in a subtractive box, so it's quite easy to
programm...
The VZ synths are difficult to programm, other then most yamaha FM synths
you're able -with some limitations- to built up your own algorithms. Also
other operator waveforms are possible... That way the VZ sounds more like a
DX (but moslty warmer) then like a CZ synth..
Two week ago I started to write a little VZ programming tutorial, I don't
have much time and I'm not very far so I don't know when I'm ready with it.
Also every time I try to figure out how this things ticks I can't help
myself then starting to programm a new sound what gets me occupied for some
hours... ;) but I'm going to upload it to the files section of that list,
as soon as I'm ready...
Summa
At 11:21 03.06.01 -0700, you wrote:
>this is going to make me seem stupid, seeing as i am
>on this list and all, but i have never seen a casio
>vz. are they similar to the cz series?
>
>nate
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>http://www.angelfire.com/art/trf
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That was a steal I think that I paid $200 for my VZ-8m in the early 90s. With a cards and manuals too. Some people have said that those manuals are hard to read but at least they're packaged well, nice and thick and bound well. You're going to love theCZ-1, it's like the "real" CZ. You can map the velocity to the DCW "cutoff" and the DCA level, this really makes the CZ a lot more expressive. I got a CZ-1 after playing a CZ-1000 for many years, I was very impressed with the CZ-1. You're going to love it. Speaking of the old CZs does anyone here know what the release dates and original prices were for the CZ series? If I remember right I got my new CZ1000 around '86 for somewhere around $300. I got myself so worked up chatting about it here, I bought a VZ-8M shortly after this discussion earlier today for $100 with docs, as well as one RAM and one ROM cart. Should be pretty cool. Don't know when it will arrive by mail. Discovered this page, which has a lot of cool VZ tips: http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/uspkbd.htm Should also be getting my new (to me) CZ-1 on Wednesday... It's the replacement for my 15-year old, totally trashed CZ-5000. I've never played a CZ synth with velocity and aftertouch before, so this should be a neat experience... I'm a Casiophile; what can I say? -- jp
2001-06-04 by Summa
Hi,
At 08:16 04.06.01 -0400, you wrote:
>That was a steal I think that I paid $200 for my VZ-8m in the early 90s.
>With a cards and manuals too. Some people have said that those manuals are
>hard to read but at least they're packaged well, nice and thick and bound
>well.
Do you have acess to a scanner, since it would be nice if someone could
create a copy of the manual of at least one of the VZ synths and upload it
to the file section of the list. Unfortunately I don't have a manual, other
then that I already would have scanned and uploaded it as I did with the
german manual of the CZ-1...
>You're going to love theCZ-1, it's like the "real" CZ. You can map the
>velocity to the DCW "cutoff" and the DCA level, this really makes the CZ a
>lot more expressive. I got a CZ-1 after playing a CZ-1000 for many years, I
>was very impressed with the CZ-1. You're going to love it.
>
>Speaking of the old CZs does anyone here know what the release dates and
>original prices were for the CZ series? If I remember right I got my new
>CZ1000 around '86 for somewhere around $300.
I bought my CZ-1 end of 1985 oder 86 for (if I'm not mistaken) about 2500DM...
The VZ-1 was -according to the Keyboards Magazine 1988- 2499DM...
Regards!
Summa
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+ /\ /\
/\ + /\/ \ / \
+++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \ /\ /\ / O
/ \/ \/ \ / \/ \ | | / | /----
/\ / + \/ \\---/ ---- | |
/ \/ + /\ / \----
+ / \ /
+ Nicknames : Summa or SumGhost
+ AIM : Flotorian
+ Born : 1967
+ Profession : Student of Computer Science
+
A Touch of Future - Project : http://www.mp3.com/AToF/
Casio CZ Synth Station : http://www.mp3.com/stations/CZ/
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Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com2001-06-04 by Jeremy Pinkham
Jon Furman wrote: "Speaking of the old CZs does anyone here know what the release dates and original prices were for the CZ series? If I remember right I got my new CZ1000 around '86 for somewhere around $300." I don't have such a list, but I can tell you that I bought my new CZ5000 around the same time period (give or take a year) for something like $1,000 with a RA-3 RAM cartridge, plastic dust cover (which eventually fell apart) and CZ-themed keyboard stand (which eventually warped out of shape -- cheap, thin, hollow metal!) in a music store Okinawa, Japan. -- jp
2001-06-04 by Furman, Jon W.
Wasn't that dust cover cool!! I wish that more new synths came with something like that. I still have the dust cover on my CZ-1000. This sort of confirms my suspicions about the CZs, I bet the higher up models were much more expensive than the lower ones. I remember seeing a new CZ in the music store back when I got the CZ-1000 and I don't remember the price but I do remember that it was much much higher than the CZ-1000. I remember being very impressed by the DCW velocity mapped CZ resonant wave duck voice on that CZ-1 that day in the store.
-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Pinkham [SMTP:forms@...] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:01 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [CZsynth] VZ-8M Jon Furman wrote: "Speaking of the old CZs does anyone here know what the release dates and original prices were for the CZ series? If I remember right I got my new CZ1000 around '86 for somewhere around $300." I don't have such a list, but I can tell you that I bought my new CZ5000 around the same time period (give or take a year) for something like $1,000 with a RA-3 RAM cartridge, plastic dust cover (which eventually fell apart) and CZ-themed keyboard stand (which eventually warped out of shape -- cheap, thin, hollow metal!) in a music store Okinawa, Japan. -- jp To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2001-06-04 by Jeremy Pinkham
Jon Furman wrote: "This sort of confirms my suspicions about the CZs, I bet the higher up models were much more expensive than the lower ones." But the cool part is that today that price range is narrow to almost non-existent. On eBay, I've seen the CZ-101 go for $100 or more, yet I recently won an auction for a CZ-1 with three ROM carts, a RAM cart, and a third-party book on CZ programming for $200. Of course, it hasn't arrived in the mail yet (should be here by Wed.), so I guess I shouldn't jinx the deal by talking before it gets here... It may turn out to be three bricks in a box! Hee hee, -- jp
2001-06-04 by Furman, Jon W.
Amen to that..I bought a CZ-5000 for about $100 from my girlfriends dad (he owns a junk shop), you can't beat that. Plus, believe it or not, customer support from Casio is still pretty good (free manuals, replacement parts, etc).
-----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Pinkham [SMTP:forms@...] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:21 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [CZsynth] VZ-8M Jon Furman wrote: "This sort of confirms my suspicions about the CZs, I bet the higher up models were much more expensive than the lower ones." But the cool part is that today that price range is narrow to almost non-existent. On eBay, I've seen the CZ-101 go for $100 or more, yet I recently won an auction for a CZ-1 with three ROM carts, a RAM cart, and a third-party book on CZ programming for $200. Of course, it hasn't arrived in the mail yet (should be here by Wed.), so I guess I shouldn't jinx the deal by talking before it gets here... It may turn out to be three bricks in a box! Hee hee, -- jp To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2001-06-04 by Atom 'Smasher'
> But the cool part is that today that price range is narrow to almost > non-existent. ======================================================= or even reverse.... i've seen people pay more for a CZ-101, than for a CZ-1. ...atom ----------------Void-If-Detached---------------- http://smasher.suspicious.org/fs1r Yamaha FS1R "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
2001-06-05 by Terry
: > Jon Furman wrote: > But the cool part is that today that price range is narrow to almost > non-existent. On eBay, I've seen the CZ-101 go for $100 or more, yet I > recently won an auction for a CZ-1 with three ROM carts, a RAM cart, and a > third-party book on CZ programming for $200. Hi Jon, Any chance you could load the RC-30 cart into the CZ-1 and do a .syx dump and send me the file. I have been wondering what these presets sound like. (Organs,Synths) It would be a 22K file, about 4K if you zip it. I have the other two cart files on a CZ site you can have a look at here : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/4877/cz101.html The RC-30 is the only cart I don't have. Some of the presets on the other two are gems, but most are average. Hey, good luck with you purchase. Unfortunately you never know what the real condition is, till you get it home and open it. I recently purchased a brand new CZ-101 on the net. It was the most beautiful CZ I have ever seen. The charcoal finish looked like shiny metal-flake paint. Not a scratch on the unit, everything original, right down to the 15 year old original Japanese batteries inside of it. What a mess that was to clean up! Brown goop everywhere. Terry
2001-06-06 by Jeremy Pinkham
Terry: Hi; I'm the one who wrote that part of Jon's message; he was quoting me. It's been a long time since I've done a .syx dump from a CZ (I usually use CZ Android on the Atari for patch editing, but that won't help in this case, as I'll need the file on my PC). To make it easier for me to share these patches with you, could you send me step-by-step instructions on how to do a .syx dump from a CZ-1 cartridge to a PC sequencer (or freeware utility, if there's one for this task), and then how to save that data from such a program to the kind of file format you're requesting? (I'm fine on the .zip part of the task... No guidance needed there.) Without instructions, I'm a bit rusty on this stuff, and it will take me that much longer to get around to this, as I don't have a lot of time to research the subject at the moment. Thanks, -- jp
2001-06-06 by Terry
Hi Jeremy, That would be great. I'll have to set up the CZ-1 next to computer to get the exact steps involved. I'm pretty sure though you have to first dump the cart to the CZ-1, then you can send the sysex message to your PC. So if you have some of your favorite patches loaded into user memory, you may not want to risk overwriting these. I'll figure this out tomorrow and write back to the list. In the mean time, I uploaded a small sysex utility for Win 3.1 (no long file names), that works great for saving/loading patches to any CZ, called "Dumpster".(It was designed to work for the CZ-101). You can find it at the bottom of this page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/4877/cz101.html More info tomorrow. Terry
2001-06-07 by Terry
Hi Jeremy, Here is what I came up with. A long description, but hopefully a clear one, of how to make Sysex saves/dumps on the CZ-1. At the end there is a short version. Just a few button pushes,and mouse clicks really! 1) First make sure you have the correct connections between the CZ-1 and computer. MIDI in on the CZ to MIDI out on the PC, and the MIDI out on the CZ to the MIDI in on the PC. 2) Power up the CZ-1, and select the "MIDI" button. (first button to the left of the LCD display). Screen should read "POLY, KBCH=01, CH=01, PRG=ENA". The KBCH= is your send channel, and CH= is the receive channel. (if you use cakewalk or similar program for sysex dumps these should be set to the same as the channel on the program, "Dumpster" sends and receives on all channels.) 3) Next you want to press the "Page Up" button. (labeled "UP" located under the LCD display). Screen should now read "SYSTEM EXCLUSIVE TONE DATA=DIS". Press the "VALUE" button labeled either "arrow up" or "arrow down". Display should now read "SYSTEM EXCLUSIVE TONE DATA=ENA". This just enabled the sending and receiving of sysex info on the CZ-1. On power up this is always set to "DIS", disabled by default. 4) Now that the CZ is ready for sysex dumps, you can start the MIDI utility on the PC. If you are using Dumpster, start the dumpster.exe. You will have to configure the MIDI ports by clicking on "Options" then "MIDI devices". This will open a window where you can select from a list, the correct MIDI in/out ports. The program is now configured and ready to go. 5) Next you will want to make sure that you can save and load the data safely between the computer and the CZ-1. The sysex dump file is exactly 22016 bytes. It contains the 64 patch memories, and 64 operation memories. First thing to do is make a backup of the memories currently on the CZ-1. This is done by clicking on "<start dump on instrument>",then clicking on the "receive" button on Dumpster. Another window will open "sysex receive", clicking on the "start" button , and the program is waiting for the sysex dump from the CZ. 6) Now over to the CZ, press the "CARTRIDGE/MIDI" button. (Located to the right of the LCD display). Screen should read "CARTRIDGE SAVE OR LOAD". Now press the "PAGE UP" button. Screen should now read "MIDI SAVE OR LOAD". Next press the "VALUE" button labeled "arrow down / SAVE". Screen should now read "SAVE MIDI DATA (Y/N) ?". Pressing the "CURSOR" button labeled "arrow right / YES" will start the sysex dump. 7) If all is going well the CZ display will read "SAVE MIDI DATA RUN!" and the Sysex receive window on Dumpster should be counting the bytes it is receiving. The dump should take aprox. 30 seconds. When completed the CZ should read "SAVE MIDI DATA OK! ", and Dumpster Sysex receive window should display 22016 bytes received. 8) You can now save the sysex file you just uploaded from the CZ-1, by pressing the "DONE" button on the Sysex receive window(Dumpster). You should now see at the bottom of the Dumpster window "22016 bytes in buffer". By clicking on "File "then selecting "Save As" you can save the .syx file any where on your hard drive or floppy. (only 8 characters though as this is a win 3.1 utility). If that number isn't exactly 22016 the info is corrupt. 9) Up until now the CZ-1 memories have only been saved to the PC, the next step involves writing to the CZ memories. The first write should be the one you just saved to verify it is not corrupt and you have good two-way communication between the PC and CZ-1. To send back the sysex file all you have to do is make sure the "Memory Protect Switch" on the back of the CZ is set to "OFF". 10) Next step is on Dumpster, click on the send button. (the original sysex you saved is still in the buffer ). Another window will open, "Sysex send". Click on the "START" button to send the Sysex info back to the CZ-1. During the dump to the CZ-1 you should see the LED's on the program select, cycling through the 64 user memories then the 64 operation memories. Finally stopping on operation memory H8 (64). 11) If all went well the CZ-1 still has the original user memories, and you have a good back up of the these. You can now write anything you want to memory save it and restore it at will. Unfortunately I have not figured out how to send single patches or all of the 16 bank CZ-101/1000/3000/5000 files you can find on the net. I have to send them to a CZ-101, then transfer them to the CZ-1. I'll have to work on this some more. 12) Making a Sysex dump of a RAM or ROM CZ-1 cartridge. Power should be off when inserting cartridges. Insert cartridge. Repeat steps 2 and 3 to enable sysex. 13) You must first dump the cartridge to the user memories to save them as a Sysex file. Make sure the "Memory Protect Switch" is "OFF". 14) Press the "CARTRIDGE/MIDI" button. Screen should read "CARTRIDGE LOAD OR SAVE" 15) Press "VALUE" button labeled "LOAD". Screen should read "LOAD CARTRIDGE (Y/N) ?". 16) Press "CURSOR" button labeled "YES". Screen should read "LOAD CARTRIDGE OK!" The cartridge is now loaded into the 64 user memories and 64 operation memories. 17) Repeat steps 5 through 8 to save a sysex file of the cartridge.Make sure you give it a different file name or you will overwrite the original file you saved. 18) Short hand version of a CZ-1 Sysex save. Power on CZ-1. Press MIDI button. Press "Page Up". Press "Value" button (up or down). Press "Midi/Cartridge" button. Press "Page Up" button. Press "Save" button. On Dumpster click " Receive" then "Start". Press "Yes" button on CZ. Done. (Simple,right?) Something to try anyhow. Hope I didn't forget anything. Here is the link again with the Dumpster utility and some CZ-1 Sysex dumps: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/4877/cz101.html Terry
2001-06-07 by Jeremy Pinkham
After all of those instructions (thank you for them; they were helpful), I ended up deviating from them somewhat. I made the SYX dump using SoundDiver, exported to SYX format. The file is now uploaded to the Files section of the CZsynth group. (Look under CZ sounds.) Let me know if it works. If not, I'll try again. Note to group: this is a bulk dump of a sound library for the CZ-1; I don't think it will work with other Casio synths. -- jp. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2001-06-07 by Terry
Thanks Jeremy, Was able to load them into my CZ-1. There are some great patches in there. The RC-30 is probably the best of the three cartridges. Thanks again for taking the time to save these for me. I'll put the 22016 byte version up on my CZ page. If I have time I'll try to convert these to the standard CZ-101/1K/3K/5K banks. (Involves dumping the last 16 CZ-1 presets to a CZ-101, then using the exchange function to move the other 48 patches to the last 16.) Terry