Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hi all,

I'm really starting to love my little CZ-101 now <3

My ra3 cartridge losses it's memory quickly - does the battery charge up when it's in the keyboard or do I need a new battery?

Thanks,

Ben :)

New battery. It has been my experience that casio RA carridges have way shorter battery life than pretty much everythib else out there.
Rig

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In my experience,none of those machines of that era have rechargable  
batteries,
although could be wrong.
Change the battery prob best.

J

On 23 Mar 2012, at 16:35, sweeneymini wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm really starting to love my little CZ-101 now <3
>
> My ra3 cartridge losses it's memory quickly - does the battery  
> charge up when it's in the keyboard or do I need a new battery?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben :)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithium type of 'button' battery - BR2016
or CR2016. They are available on places like Ebay for very little:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220888069773

Unfortunately I can't make my RA3 to work with my 101, though it works fine
with my CZ3000 (haven't tried it on my CZ1 yet). I thought the battery may
have been flat, but even after changing it (hence the information above),
it still won't work with the 101. If I insert the cartridge into the 101
and switch it on, it locks up and emits a continuous drone. It does the
same when tried with a friend's 1000.

A shame as I could really do with those extra (and saved after switch off)
patches on the cartridge :-(





On 23 March 2012 17:03, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> In my experience,none of those machines of that era have rechargable
> batteries,
> although could be wrong.
> Change the battery prob best.
>
> J
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2012, at 16:35, sweeneymini wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm really starting to love my little CZ-101 now <3
> >
> > My ra3 cartridge losses it's memory quickly - does the battery
> > charge up when it's in the keyboard or do I need a new battery?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ben :)
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>


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Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?

J

On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:

> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithium type of 'button' battery -  
> BR2016
> or CR2016. They are available on places like Ebay for very little:
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220888069773
>
> Unfortunately I can't make my RA3 to work with my 101, though it  
> works fine
> with my CZ3000 (haven't tried it on my CZ1 yet). I thought the  
> battery may
> have been flat, but even after changing it (hence the information  
> above),
> it still won't work with the 101. If I insert the cartridge into the  
> 101
> and switch it on, it locks up and emits a continuous drone. It does  
> the
> same when tried with a friend's 1000.
>
> A shame as I could really do with those extra (and saved after  
> switch off)
> patches on the cartridge :-(
>
>
>
>
>
> On 23 March 2012 17:03, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>  
> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> In my experience,none of those machines of that era have rechargable
>> batteries,
>> although could be wrong.
>> Change the battery prob best.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On 23 Mar 2012, at 16:35, sweeneymini wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm really starting to love my little CZ-101 now <3
>>>
>>> My ra3 cartridge losses it's memory quickly - does the battery
>>> charge up when it's in the keyboard or do I need a new battery?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ben :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Well, my Cz1000 uses 6 D batteries.
I was astound when I saw that!

On 2012-03-23 6:11 PM, "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
**


Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?

J



On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:

> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithiu...
 


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The CZ 101/ 1000 do not have memory back up batteries on their mother
boards, hence them losing their memory when the keyboard is switched off. I
swear when I first got my 101 back in 1990, when it was about 5 - 6 years
old, it WOULD hold it's patches when switched off. I think there is some
kind of capacitor on the motherboard that can hold a charge after it has
been connected for a while. However, over 25 years later I think it's no
longer able to hold any charge for long :-(

The CZ3000/ 5000 take AA batteries on their underside to backup the memory.

The CZ1 doesn't have provisions for AA batteries on its underside, so I do
believe it has an internal battery/ batteries somewhere inside the casing/
on the mother board.

Hope this helps!


>
On 23 March 2012 22:11, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
> i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
>
> J
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:
>
> > The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithium type of 'button' battery -
> > BR2016
> > or CR2016. They are available on places like Ebay for very little:
> >
> > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220888069773
> >
> > Unfortunately I can't make my RA3 to work with my 101, though it
> > works fine
> > with my CZ3000 (haven't tried it on my CZ1 yet). I thought the
> > battery may
> > have been flat, but even after changing it (hence the information
> > above),
> > it still won't work with the 101. If I insert the cartridge into the
> > 101
> > and switch it on, it locks up and emits a continuous drone. It does
> > the
> > same when tried with a friend's 1000.
> >
> > A shame as I could really do with those extra (and saved after
> > switch off)
> > patches on the cartridge :-(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 March 2012 17:03, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> In my experience,none of those machines of that era have rechargable
> >> batteries,
> >> although could be wrong.
> >> Change the battery prob best.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >> On 23 Mar 2012, at 16:35, sweeneymini wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm really starting to love my little CZ-101 now <3
> >>>
> >>> My ra3 cartridge losses it's memory quickly - does the battery
> >>> charge up when it's in the keyboard or do I need a new battery?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Ben :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>


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Actually thats a good thing,no batteries leaking and knackering the  
motherboard.
Just the battery compartment keep an eye on.

J

On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:56, Francis Cote wrote:

> Well, my Cz1000 uses 6 D batteries.
> I was astound when I saw that!
>
> On 2012-03-23 6:11 PM, "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>  
> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
> i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
>
> J
>
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:
>
>> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithiu...
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Why are you saying they loose there memory? Like I said, the CZ 1000 uses 6
D batteries for that AND playing with no psu connected. But it keeps it's
memory using these 6 batteries.

I don't know about the 101.



On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jason Adkins
<jason_ralf808@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Actually thats a good thing,no batteries leaking and knackering the
> motherboard.
> Just the battery compartment keep an eye on.
>
> J
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:56, Francis Cote wrote:
>
> > Well, my Cz1000 uses 6 D batteries.
> > I was astound when I saw that!
> >
> > On 2012-03-23 6:11 PM, "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
> > wrote:
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
> > i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:
> >
> >> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithiu...
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>


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The 1000 is the same electronically inside as a 101. The 1000 is basically
a 101 with full sized keys. The 6 'D' batteries for the 101/ 1000 are meant
for them to be operated without a PSU, they're not primarily meant for
memory backup though they have that effect when the baby CZ's are switched
off. Note that in comparison, the bigger CZ 3000/ 5000 use smaller AA
batteries (and less of them), which are only used for memory back up.

The 6 'D' cells don't last very long if used on their own (without a PSU)
and they aren't a very common or popular type of battery. They're also
expensive compared with more popular batteries. plus they add quite a bit
of weight to the CZ. Additionally, if left in for a long time you run the
risk of battery leakage.

Hence most people like myself never use batteries in a CZ101/ 1000,
preferring instead to stick with the PSU. It is just a shame that there
isn't a modern small style battery used just for memory back up. And as
mentioned, I'm sure my 101 originally did keep it's patches without being
powered, though it was a lot newer then. Maybe whatever component was used
to keep the patches breaks down with age and no longer works.


On 24 March 2012 04:34, Francis Cote <francis.cote@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Why are you saying they loose there memory? Like I said, the CZ 1000 uses 6
> D batteries for that AND playing with no psu connected. But it keeps it's
> memory using these 6 batteries.
>
> I don't know about the 101.
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jason Adkins
>
> <jason_ralf808@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Actually thats a good thing,no batteries leaking and knackering the
> > motherboard.
> > Just the battery compartment keep an eye on.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:56, Francis Cote wrote:
> >
> > > Well, my Cz1000 uses 6 D batteries.
> > > I was astound when I saw that!
> > >
> > > On 2012-03-23 6:11 PM, "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@tiscali.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > > **
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
> > > i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:
> > >
> > >> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithiu...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Ben, you've struck a nerve in the CZ community! I used to go broke buying D cells to preserve my memory, and curse a lot when it would fail. You have to be extremely careful when changing the 3v battery in the cartridge as to not strip the plastic housing where the screws go in. Use the correct size screw driver too, so you don't strip the high quality screws. To the person getting the drone sound with the cart, did you look in the door to inspect the pins? Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really good idea to use some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you love typing in all of those parameters over & over!

Hiya,

The CZ101 and CZ1000 are exactly the same just one has bigger keys.  
(MicroKorg/Micron)

J

I think the guy was on about his Cart though coz needs extra spaces  
for his own programs.

On 24 Mar 2012, at 04:34, Francis Cote wrote:

> Why are you saying they loose there memory? Like I said, the CZ 1000  
> uses 6
> D batteries for that AND playing with no psu connected. But it keeps  
> it's
> memory using these 6 batteries.
>
> I don't know about the 101.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jason Adkins
> <jason_ralf808@...>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Actually thats a good thing,no batteries leaking and knackering the
>> motherboard.
>> Just the battery compartment keep an eye on.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:56, Francis Cote wrote:
>>
>>> Well, my Cz1000 uses 6 D batteries.
>>> I was astound when I saw that!
>>>
>>> On 2012-03-23 6:11 PM, "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
>>> wrote:
>>> **
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
>>> i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:
>>>
>>>> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithiu...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>

schemzzzzzz!
there is certainly a way to add a lithium battery to 
protect memory...see circuitbenders notes about data 
protection for the boss dr550. it must be the same.
personally, i never had this problem when i had a 101. 
maybe mine was just 'very good'. (daaaammmmmmnnnn....)
flawless opperation of internal and cart memory. period.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "the_wizard_o_cheese" <fmmusic@...> wrote:

>
> Ben, you've struck a nerve in the CZ community! I used to go broke buying D cells to preserve my memory, and curse a lot when it would fail. You have to be extremely careful when changing the 3v battery in the cartridge as to not strip the plastic housing where the screws go in. Use the correct size screw driver too, so you don't strip the high quality screws. To the person getting the drone sound with the cart, did you look in the door to inspect the pins? Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really good idea to use some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you love typing in all of those parameters over & over!
>

Sorry,whats the Boss DR550 and a CZ101 have in common?

J

On 24 Mar 2012, at 15:21, k9k9dog wrote:

> schemzzzzzz!
> there is certainly a way to add a lithium battery to
> protect memory...see circuitbenders notes about data
> protection for the boss dr550. it must be the same.
> personally, i never had this problem when i had a 101.
> maybe mine was just 'very good'. (daaaammmmmmnnnn....)
> flawless opperation of internal and cart memory. period.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "the_wizard_o_cheese" <fmmusic@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Ben, you've struck a nerve in the CZ community! I used to go broke  
>> buying D cells to preserve my memory, and curse a lot when it would  
>> fail. You have to be extremely careful when changing the 3v battery  
>> in the cartridge as to not strip the plastic housing where the  
>> screws go in. Use the correct size screw driver too, so you don't  
>> strip the high quality screws. To the person getting the drone  
>> sound with the cart, did you look in the door to inspect the pins?  
>> Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really good idea to use  
>> some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you love  
>> typing in all of those parameters over & over!
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

ra3 is the cz101 cartridge. no clones afaik.
the idea about a mod involving a 3v lithium-if
needed- would be similar to what would be required to 
backup a dr550, which relies on batteries(or dumps its 
memory). but i'm surpised to hear about cz101s not holding 
their patches. been a while though. vz, here.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:

>
> Sorry,whats the Boss DR550 and a CZ101 have in common?
> 
> J
> 
> On 24 Mar 2012, at 15:21, k9k9dog wrote:
> 
> > schemzzzzzz!
> > there is certainly a way to add a lithium battery to
> > protect memory...see circuitbenders notes about data
> > protection for the boss dr550. it must be the same.
> > personally, i never had this problem when i had a 101.
> > maybe mine was just 'very good'. (daaaammmmmmnnnn....)
> > flawless opperation of internal and cart memory. period.
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@...m, "the_wizard_o_cheese" <fmmusic@>  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ben, you've struck a nerve in the CZ community! I used to go broke  
> >> buying D cells to preserve my memory, and curse a lot when it would  
> >> fail. You have to be extremely careful when changing the 3v battery  
> >> in the cartridge as to not strip the plastic housing where the  
> >> screws go in. Use the correct size screw driver too, so you don't  
> >> strip the high quality screws. To the person getting the drone  
> >> sound with the cart, did you look in the door to inspect the pins?  
> >> Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really good idea to use  
> >> some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you love  
> >> typing in all of those parameters over & over!
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Oh I see what you mean,guess the DR550 is a CR2032?

J

On 24 Mar 2012, at 15:47, k9k9dog wrote:

> ra3 is the cz101 cartridge. no clones afaik.
> the idea about a mod involving a 3v lithium-if
> needed- would be similar to what would be required to
> backup a dr550, which relies on batteries(or dumps its
> memory). but i'm surpised to hear about cz101s not holding
> their patches. been a while though. vz, here.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry,whats the Boss DR550 and a CZ101 have in common?
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 24 Mar 2012, at 15:21, k9k9dog wrote:
>>
>>> schemzzzzzz!
>>> there is certainly a way to add a lithium battery to
>>> protect memory...see circuitbenders notes about data
>>> protection for the boss dr550. it must be the same.
>>> personally, i never had this problem when i had a 101.
>>> maybe mine was just 'very good'. (daaaammmmmmnnnn....)
>>> flawless opperation of internal and cart memory. period.
>>>
>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "the_wizard_o_cheese" <fmmusic@>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ben, you've struck a nerve in the CZ community! I used to go broke
>>>> buying D cells to preserve my memory, and curse a lot when it would
>>>> fail. You have to be extremely careful when changing the 3v battery
>>>> in the cartridge as to not strip the plastic housing where the
>>>> screws go in. Use the correct size screw driver too, so you don't
>>>> strip the high quality screws. To the person getting the drone
>>>> sound with the cart, did you look in the door to inspect the pins?
>>>> Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really good idea to use
>>>> some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you love
>>>> typing in all of those parameters over & over!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I have already checked the pins on the 101 and they are all intact and
straight. The weird thing is that the cartridge does exactly the same thing
on my friend's 1000, so it's not isolated to just my CZ. Weirder still, it
works fine when I tried it on my 3000, which uses a different method of
accessing the patches. With the 101/ 1000, the cartridge acts as an extra
bank of 16 sounds in addition to the 16 preset and 16 internal banks. On
the 3000 (and 5000/ CZ-1) the data from the cartridge can be either loaded
into its memory or the memory saved onto the cartridge. The cartridge
doesn't actually give you extra patch memory for the big models, it only
allows you to save existing patches and then load them back in. Perhaps the
idea was to have lots of cartridges with different saved sounds that could
be loaded in when necessary, then again the price of the cartridges when
new was probably prohibitive to that idea...

I'm not concerned with expanding patch memory on my CZ-1 as it has 128
patch locations! What I wanted to do was use my 101 to mess around with and
create sounds, store these on the cartridge and then transfer them over to
the CZ-1. Doesn't look like that will happen until I can get the damn RA3
to work with the 101...

And no, I don't want to type in those parameters in over and over -
tedious! I have though written down some my good patches so at least I can
program them in if necessary. Better safe than sorry!

I'd love a decent CZ sysex library program that I could used to load and
save sounds. I recently bought the 'CZ Rescue Kit' off Ebay and haven't had
a chance to fully investigate the programs supplied (it's supposed to have
a CZ librarian that will work with a PC/ XP) Can you recommend a good
program (Windows XP compatible) that I can use to load and save patches
with my CZ's?

Cheers!

Chas

On 24 March 2012 13:47, the_wizard_o_cheese <fmmusic@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> To the person getting the drone sound with the cart, did you look in the
> door to inspect the pins? Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really
> good idea to use some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you
> love typing in all of those parameters over & over!
>
>  
>


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Hi!

I also though about making a clone for myself.

My points were:

- more banks with a built in switch
- get rid of the battery problem by using FRAM chips from RAMTRON.

I just had no time to build a prototype...

Ciao
Peter

http://www.ullrich.at.tt
http://go.to/datadial (synth addon - aslo for the Casio CZ)
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Von: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] im Auftrag von k9k9dog [domgoold@yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. März 2012 16:47
An: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [CZsynth] Re: RA3 Cartridge Battery

ra3 is the cz101 cartridge. no clones afaik.
the idea about a mod involving a 3v lithium-if
needed- would be similar to what would be required to
backup a dr550, which relies on batteries(or dumps its
memory). but i'm surpised to hear about cz101s not holding
their patches. been a while though. vz, here.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry,whats the Boss DR550 and a CZ101 have in common?
>
> J
>
> On 24 Mar 2012, at 15:21, k9k9dog wrote:
>
> > schemzzzzzz!
> > there is certainly a way to add a lithium battery to
> > protect memory...see circuitbenders notes about data
> > protection for the boss dr550. it must be the same.
> > personally, i never had this problem when i had a 101.
> > maybe mine was just 'very good'. (daaaammmmmmnnnn....)
> > flawless opperation of internal and cart memory. period.
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "the_wizard_o_cheese" <fmmusic@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ben, you've struck a nerve in the CZ community! I used to go broke
> >> buying D cells to preserve my memory, and curse a lot when it would
> >> fail. You have to be extremely careful when changing the 3v battery
> >> in the cartridge as to not strip the plastic housing where the
> >> screws go in. Use the correct size screw driver too, so you don't
> >> strip the high quality screws. To the person getting the drone
> >> sound with the cart, did you look in the door to inspect the pins?
> >> Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really good idea to use
> >> some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you love
> >> typing in all of those parameters over & over!
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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Hey Chas, check this one out, it works great: 
http://www.bome.com/bome/downloads/beta/SendSX130beta3.exe

I'd try to hunt down another cart, or open that one up and see if anything is broken or leaky inside.
Frank



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@...> wrote:

>
> I have already checked the pins on the 101 and they are all intact and
> straight. The weird thing is that the cartridge does exactly the same thing
> on my friend's 1000, so it's not isolated to just my CZ. Weirder still, it
> works fine when I tried it on my 3000, which uses a different method of
> accessing the patches. With the 101/ 1000, the cartridge acts as an extra
> bank of 16 sounds in addition to the 16 preset and 16 internal banks. On
> the 3000 (and 5000/ CZ-1) the data from the cartridge can be either loaded
> into its memory or the memory saved onto the cartridge. The cartridge
> doesn't actually give you extra patch memory for the big models, it only
> allows you to save existing patches and then load them back in. Perhaps the
> idea was to have lots of cartridges with different saved sounds that could
> be loaded in when necessary, then again the price of the cartridges when
> new was probably prohibitive to that idea...
> 
> I'm not concerned with expanding patch memory on my CZ-1 as it has 128
> patch locations! What I wanted to do was use my 101 to mess around with and
> create sounds, store these on the cartridge and then transfer them over to
> the CZ-1. Doesn't look like that will happen until I can get the damn RA3
> to work with the 101...
> 
> And no, I don't want to type in those parameters in over and over -
> tedious! I have though written down some my good patches so at least I can
> program them in if necessary. Better safe than sorry!
> 
> I'd love a decent CZ sysex library program that I could used to load and
> save sounds. I recently bought the 'CZ Rescue Kit' off Ebay and haven't had
> a chance to fully investigate the programs supplied (it's supposed to have
> a CZ librarian that will work with a PC/ XP) Can you recommend a good
> program (Windows XP compatible) that I can use to load and save patches
> with my CZ's?
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Chas
> 
> On 24 March 2012 13:47, the_wizard_o_cheese <fmmusic@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > To the person getting the drone sound with the cart, did you look in the
> > door to inspect the pins? Perhaps one is bent, or broken off. It's a really
> > good idea to use some software to store the sounds on your PC. Unless you
> > love typing in all of those parameters over & over!
> >
> >  
> >
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You are correct. The 101, when new, held internal patches. After time they'd get scrambled requiring a push of the button. Now, it seems like it won't hold them at all. I'll have to go in and see how to remedy that.
Rig


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From: "350ypvs@..." <350ypvs@gmail.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] RA3 Cartridge Battery

The CZ 101/ 1000 do not have memory back up batteries on their mother
boards, hence them losing their memory when the keyboard is switched off. I
swear when I first got my 101 back in 1990, when it was about 5 - 6 years
old, it WOULD hold it's patches when switched off. I think there is some
kind of capacitor on the motherboard that can hold a charge after it has
been connected for a while. However, over 25 years later I think it's no
longer able to hold any charge for long :-(

The CZ3000/ 5000 take AA batteries on their underside to backup the memory.

The CZ1 doesn't have provisions for AA batteries on its underside, so I do
believe it has an internal battery/ batteries somewhere inside the casing/
on the mother board.

Hope this helps!


>
On 23 March 2012 22:11, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
> i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
>
> J
>
>
> On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:
>
> > The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithium type of 'button' battery -
> > BR2016
> > or CR2016. They are available on places like Ebay for very little:
> >
> > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220888069773
> >
> > Unfortunately I can't make my RA3 to work with my 101, though it
> > works fine
> > with my CZ3000 (haven't tried it on my CZ1 yet). I thought the
> > battery may
> > have been flat, but even after changing it (hence the information
> > above),
> > it still won't work with the 101. If I insert the cartridge into the
> > 101
> > and switch it on, it locks up and emits a continuous drone. It does
> > the
> > same when tried with a friend's 1000.
> >
> > A shame as I could really do with those extra (and saved after
> > switch off)
> > patches on the cartridge :-(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 March 2012 17:03, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> In my experience,none of those machines of that era have rechargable
> >> batteries,
> >> although could be wrong.
> >> Change the battery prob best.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >> On 23 Mar 2012, at 16:35, sweeneymini wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I'm really starting to love my little CZ-101 now <3
> >>>
> >>> My ra3 cartridge losses it's memory quickly - does the battery
> >>> charge up when it's in the keyboard or do I need a new battery?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Ben :)
> >>>
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One of the recent responders made the statement that there were no clone carts available for the cz-101 cz-1000 to the best of their knowledge. That notion might be in need of changing I have different kind of carts for the cz series that I purchased in the 80s.

One is called the MAARTISTS DATA RAM 64 voice memory or the MRA-3. It was manufactured by the company Maartist Inc. of Jackson Kentucky 41339. It uses Cr3032 Lithium cells for batteries if my memory is correct,

The other is the EZ-CZ cart which was manufactured by MicroFanatics Inc. with a phone number of (201) 838-5606. The EZ-CZ actually uses two triple aaa batteries.

Just a longshot but maybe these guys still exist and in some dusty closet somewhere there could be located a few of these antiques for the desperate CZ aficionado.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> wrote:

>
> Actually thats a good thing,no batteries leaking and knackering the  
> motherboard.
> Just the battery compartment keep an eye on.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:56, Francis Cote wrote:
> 
> > Well, my Cz1000 uses 6 D batteries.
> > I was astound when I saw that!
> >
> > On 2012-03-23 6:11 PM, "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>  
> > wrote:
> > **
> >
> >
> > Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
> > i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@... wrote:
> >
> >> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithiu...
> >
> >
> >
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> The CZ1 doesn't have provisions for AA batteries on its underside, so I do
> believe it has an internal battery/ batteries somewhere inside the casing/
> on the mother board.

CZ1 has an internal lithium (iirc) battery, which the manual says is a technician-only fix. On my long to-do list is investigating the battery in mine.

 --

Take care . . .

Brian

i also have something by maartists: a roland format card 
such as used in the tr505. except it offers 256k compared 
to the m128's 16k...
these things sometimes turn up in secondhand music stores, 
under the glass counter with all the other junk nobody knows 
what to do with ;)

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, oestrek@... wrote:

>
> One of the recent responders made the statement that there were no clone carts available for the cz-101 cz-1000 to the best of their knowledge. That notion might be in need of changing I have different kind of carts for the cz series that I purchased in the 80s.
> 
> One is called the MAARTISTS DATA RAM 64 voice memory or the MRA-3. It was manufactured by the company Maartist Inc. of Jackson Kentucky 41339. It uses Cr3032 Lithium cells for batteries if my memory is correct,
> 
> The other is the EZ-CZ cart which was manufactured by MicroFanatics Inc. with a phone number of (201) 838-5606. The EZ-CZ actually uses two triple aaa batteries.
> 
> Just a longshot but maybe these guys still exist and in some dusty closet somewhere there could be located a few of these antiques for the desperate CZ aficionado.
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@> wrote:
> >
> > Actually thats a good thing,no batteries leaking and knackering the  
> > motherboard.
> > Just the battery compartment keep an eye on.
> > 
> > J
> > 
> > 
> > On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:56, Francis Cote wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, my Cz1000 uses 6 D batteries.
> > > I was astound when I saw that!
> > >
> > > On 2012-03-23 6:11 PM, "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@>  
> > > wrote:
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Has the CZ101/1000/3000/5000 got a battery on it's motherboard?
> > > i.e. a soldered in job,and pain up the arse to replace?
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23 Mar 2012, at 21:37, 350ypvs@ wrote:
> > >
> > >> The battery used in the RA3 is a Lithiu...
> > >
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It's a CR2032 with solder tails and should be as easy to fix as on a 
Yamaha DX7 and other 80s digital synths.

On 27 Mar 2012 at 15:57, Brian Harding wrote:

> > The CZ1 doesn't have provisions for AA batteries on its underside,
> > so I do believe it has an internal battery/ batteries somewhere
> > inside the casing/ on the mother board.
> 
> CZ1 has an internal lithium (iirc) battery, which the manual says is a
> technician-only fix. On my long to-do list is investigating the
> battery in mine.
> 
>  --
> 
> Take care . . .
> 
> Brian
> 
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Interesting! As a CZ-1 is based on all the other CZ's (101 included), the
method for retrofitting a similar internal battery on the lower CZ's may be
similar. I've never opened my CZ-1 as it kept it's memory quite nicely so
far. Curiosity may get the better of me though!

On 27 March 2012 15:57, Brian Harding <b.harding@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> > The CZ1 doesn't have provisions for AA batteries on its underside, so I
> do
> > believe it has an internal battery/ batteries somewhere inside the
> casing/
> > on the mother board.
>
> CZ1 has an internal lithium (iirc) battery, which the manual says is a
> technician-only fix. On my long to-do list is investigating the battery in
> mine.
>
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>
> Take care . . .
>
> Brian
>
>  
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