Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

All I do is search and search on what to do about monitoring. I need 
input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on using an amp 
versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking about 
putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 6x8 
midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If anyone 
has built a small system themselves, I could also use input on that. 
Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What do you 
think is right?

P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on your current 
set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be very 
helpful.

-Zack-

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> All I do is search and search on what to do about monitoring. I 
need 
> input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on using an 
amp 
> versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking about 
> putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 6x8 
> midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If anyone 
> has built a small system themselves, I could also use input on 
that. 
> Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What do you 
> think is right?
> 
> P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on your 
current 
> set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be very 
> helpful.
> 
> -Zack-

  During an earlier discussion on this subject, I was one of the few 
people who advocated using a bass amp. I think it was a 300 watt 
Mcgregor amp with a 2x15 cab. It was a monster, when you start going 
round the kit and giving it a bit of stick (and pedal), you could 
feel the room shake. However after reading a few reports from here, 
I opted to change for the behringer kx1200. The first thing I 
noticed was the cymbals came to life, the difference in sound 
quality was amazing. There are also four seperate inputs, so anyone 
can just turn up with their guitar, plug in and off you go.
  As if all that wasnt good enough, I managed to pick up the kx1200 
for 210 gbp delivered, and sold the old one for 250.
  One word of warning though, after searching for reviews of the 
kx1200 I did find quite a few who complained about build quality and 
even the terrible state they arrived in due to poor packaging. 
  I can only say that the one I have arrived in pristine condition 
and sounds excellent.

 I hope this is of some help to you.

 Daz

Yes, I have seen that one. The one I am keeping an eye on is the 
Kustom KMA100X. Has anyone had any experience with this amp?
-Features: 
100W RMS
15" Celestion speaker
4" x 10" piezo horn 
3 channels, one with an XLR mic input and phantom power
4-band active EQ
8 digital effects 
Effects loop
Footswitch jack
Extension speaker jack
-Specifications: 
28"W x 23"H x 16"D
30 lbs.

Has anyone had experience with using powered studio monitors? Has 
anyone had experience with the Yamaha Personal Monitoring systems? I 
just think the market has a worse than horrible selection of products 
on the market. Roland has some very awesome ones, but the prices are 
twice that of other competitors, its rediculous. Proper amping is the 
worst part of e-drumming. I mean, I love my kit but this darn 
speaker/amp thing is killing me.

-Zack-

P.S. I have read other topics, but I just can't seem to find an 
answer. I did have my eye on the Behringer one, but I have heard 
nothing but bad reviews...only one good one so far.

One more quick thing. What about the 50 watt sub and 20 watt 
sattelite speakers on the yamaha monitoring system. Are the 20w 
sattelite speakers worth it at all...seems a tad bit underpowered to 
me for $300. The next one up is just too high for me.

-Zack-

Ok, what I meant by base amp above are the bass amps with the piezo 
tweeter built in. That's the kind of base amp I'm asking about. Seems 
like it would go to about the same highs as a keyboard amp would, but 
lower lows, if you know what I mean. Is this true and can this type 
of Bass amp (12"/15" woofer, 1" tweeter) work and be up to the 
challenge of an e-drum kit? In a sense of playing along at home or 
playing at a small gig, i.e. coffee shops, country clubs, small 
rooms, etc.

-Zack-

P.S. Sorry for the 3 in a row posts, maybe I should think about 
eberything I need to say the first time around lol. =P

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> One more quick thing. What about the 50 watt sub and 20 watt 
> sattelite speakers on the yamaha monitoring system. Are the 20w 
> sattelite speakers worth it at all...seems a tad bit underpowered 
to 
> me for $300. The next one up is just too high for me.

Zack,

Dan, aka Cheakster, bought Yamaha's 50 watt version to use with his 
new DTXtreme kit, but returned it in favor of the larger one. I 
haven't heard from him for a week or so, but he promised a review of 
both on this board. He's an edrum novice, but his observations will 
be helpful if he can get them together for us. It seems to me, 
without having a shred of experience with either Yamaha monitor, that 
if the lesser of the two isn't satisfactory, then the other one won't 
be either. But that's just a guess--based on the naked specs--and 
it's by no means a certainty that if Dan didn't like his, you, or 
anyone else, would agree. 

By the way, Behringer traditionally has had a bad reputation for 
quality control and patent infringement (two traits that may explain 
its low prices). I've heard the suggestion that quality control has 
improved, though many people still complain of products that don't 
work out of the box or break down shortly thereafter. It still seems 
to be hit or miss with that company. Those who weather the storm, or 
don't face it at all, often seem to like the sound of the Behringer 
amps. A second-hand keyboard amp from a reputable company is a safer 
bet than a mongrel system that no one can safely recommend. Another 
possible problem is that someone may get a amplification that seems 
okay to his ears, only to find out later, in comparison with 
something else, that the frequency response isn't so good. If you 
can, try different things, and if you can't, buy something that 
experienced e-drummers who know what's at stake tend to like.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> Ok, what I meant by base amp above are the bass amps with the piezo 
> tweeter built in. That's the kind of base amp I'm asking about. 
Seems 
> like it would go to about the same highs as a keyboard amp would, 
but 
> lower lows, if you know what I mean. Is this true and can this type 
> of Bass amp (12"/15" woofer, 1" tweeter) work and be up to the 
> challenge of an e-drum kit? In a sense of playing along at home or 
> playing at a small gig, i.e. coffee shops, country clubs, small 
> rooms, etc.

Zack,

Some bass amps do deliver more frequencies than others, but the mere 
presence of a tweeter in a bass amp does not guarantee that it will 
do a proper job with cymbals and even mid-range transients. The only 
way that you'll find out is to connect it to your kit and listen.  
Then connect a good keyboard amp to it for comparison. Also, amps 
with similar specs can have much different sonic signatures. Buying 
an amp without knowing such things may be relatively easy, but not 
necessarily satisfying in the long run. Once you know how these 
things can vary, and you get a sense of what you like, the whole 
process becomes more economical--at least in terms of time and 
energy, if not in terms of cash outlay. It took me years in audio to 
figure out what kind of electronics and speakers I prefer. Until 
then, I liked everything. I still like a lot, but my ears have their 
preferences.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
> <supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> > One more quick thing. What about the 50 watt sub and 20 watt 
> > sattelite speakers on the yamaha monitoring system. Are the 20w 
> > sattelite speakers worth it at all...seems a tad bit underpowered 
> to 
> > me for $300. The next one up is just too high for me.
> 
> Zack,
> 
> Dan, aka Cheakster, bought Yamaha's 50 watt version to use with his 
> new DTXtreme kit, but returned it in favor of the larger one. I 
> haven't heard from him for a week or so, but he promised a review 
of 
> both on this board. He's an edrum novice, but his observations will 
> be helpful if he can get them together for us. It seems to me, 
> without having a shred of experience with either Yamaha monitor, 
that 
> if the lesser of the two isn't satisfactory, then the other one 
won't 
> be either. But that's just a guess--based on the naked specs--and 
> it's by no means a certainty that if Dan didn't like his, you, or 
> anyone else, would agree. 
> 
> By the way, Behringer traditionally has had a bad reputation for 
> quality control and patent infringement (two traits that may 
explain 
> its low prices). I've heard the suggestion that quality control has 
> improved, though many people still complain of products that don't 
> work out of the box or break down shortly thereafter. It still 
seems 
> to be hit or miss with that company. Those who weather the storm, 
or 
> don't face it at all, often seem to like the sound of the Behringer 
> amps. A second-hand keyboard amp from a reputable company is a 
safer 
> bet than a mongrel system that no one can safely recommend. Another 
> possible problem is that someone may get a amplification that seems 
> okay to his ears, only to find out later, in comparison with 
> something else, that the frequency response isn't so good. If you 
> can, try different things, and if you can't, buy something that 
> experienced e-drummers who know what's at stake tend to like.
> 
> Ed

I have only heard the 50W version but the satellites are just 
aweful!  Maybe my sound engineer's ears are more sensitive to this 
the a drummer that may be use to bashing cymbals 3' from his ears all 
day but they are just plain HARSH! (I almost typed that in all CAPS 
for enphasis but that would have been too obvoxious, though that 
would have been the point ;)  I hadn't heard them turned them up 
really at all, since I'm such a poor player I usually try to play 
with headphones or very softly at the store (the clacks on the pads 
are enough for most to hear how bad I must be playing ;)  But the 
other day some other guy was bashing on them and he was trying to 
play double bass so had the HH's open and they were just peircing... 
I thought man those HH's are brutal!  Then he started in on the 
cymbals, I walked out the room and thought well maybe it's just those 
speakers!  I also don't like the idea of the satellites being 
so "directional", for a lack of a better word.  As you say you want 
to play in cafe's and such I would think if you were using them for 
the "audience" to hear then you would not be hearing them very 
well... I guess you could sit them behind you are do like RATM's 
drummer at Lalapoloza 92'?(sp) and turn backwards and put up truck 
mirrors to see behind you.

I myself am torn between getting some nice studio monitors (I could 
use them for the "real" function anyway) or the keyboard amp... I 
like the keyboard amp vs. monitors for the extra inputs it provides 
and ease of use to add vocals or even bass (all kept at low 
volumes... that is the point of E-Drums right?)

If you can't get your module with you to the store maybe see if they 
have a decent drum machine and hook it up to a few options and see 
how they sound.  You will at least understand why some options won't 
work as well as others.

Good luck and what do peeps think about studio monitors... like 
Behringer Truth's (minus the reputation, I know 3 owners that love 
them) or Even't 20/20 (self powered) I know those are much better and 
not in the same price class but I might be able to snatch some up for 
a decent deal (a trade! for some junk!)

Gilligan

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> One more quick thing. What about the 50 watt sub and 20 watt 
> sattelite speakers on the yamaha monitoring system. Are the 20w 
> sattelite speakers worth it at all...seems a tad bit underpowered 
to 
> me for $300. The next one up is just too high for me.
> 
> -Zack-

   Zack, Ed said it all correctly. I have very "mild" needs in the 
way of amplification- just personal drumming downstairs- no gigs, 
etc. The MS50DR couldn't even perform to THAT level! It's not just 
the lack of volume (which I expected from 50 watts), but a pure lack 
of quality sound replication. I know headphones can't be beat, but 
this monitor wasn't even close! The drums were fuzzy and totally 
lacked any punch. Sound control was very minimal, and impossible to 
tweak with any success. I couldn't return it quickly enough-sad to 
say. All ears are different, but this gets a big thumbs down from me.
Dan

--- 
> Dan, aka Cheakster, bought Yamaha's 50 watt version to use with 
his 
> new DTXtreme kit, but returned it in favor of the larger one. I 
> haven't heard from him for a week or so, but he promised a review 
of 
> both on this board. He's an edrum novice, but his observations 
will 
> be helpful if he can get them together for us. It seems to me, 
> without having a shred of experience with either Yamaha monitor, 
that 
> if the lesser of the two isn't satisfactory, then the other one 
won't 
> be either. But that's just a guess--based on the naked specs--and 
> it's by no means a certainty that if Dan didn't like his, you, or 
> anyone else, would agree. 
> 
>
> 
> 
> Ed


Hi! Ed
I sent you a P.M. asking where to post the reviews on this forum( at 
least I attempted to). Sorry if it didn't get to you. I didn't see 
a "review" section.
Thanks
Dan

Gilligan,

I am also undecided between a keyboard amp and studio monitors. I 
like the keyboard amp in the since of the onboard EQ and the inputs, 
including the mic input. I like studio monitors because they are 
small and versitile, yet provide great power. An example is the 
Behringer Truth monitors as they have over 100 watts powering LF and 
HF drivers. The fact that there are two versus one, the sound can 
reach greater volumes. Only problem with the small studio monitors is 
I do not know how they are on low-end, as in the bass drum. Has 
anyone seen/heard an edrum on studio monitors? Cause if they can 
produce some sort of punchy low-end on the base drum, then I think I 
will end up going with studio monitors over the keyboard amp. I am 
still not sure at these stages and am lacking on time to go to the 
music shop and "hunt" as you could call it. Maybe I can make it on 
thursday, supposed to rain here so practice should be cancelled. 
Anyways, g/l and let me know what you find out and vice versa.

-Zack-

I think I have decided on an amp to get: the Kustom KMA100X. It is 
getting superb ratings and houses the gear I am looking for. I think 
it'll be perfect. Now only to save a paycheck or 2 for it lol. Here's 
a link at Musician's Friend (Copy and Past into URL): 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040525140755064202106058713391
/g=key/s=amps/search/detail/base_pid/481240/


-Zack-

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Cheak" <cheak@i...> wrote:
> Hi! Ed
> I sent you a P.M. asking where to post the reviews on this forum( 
at 
> least I attempted to). Sorry if it didn't get to you. I didn't see 
> a "review" section.

Hi Dan,

How's the drumming? I didn't get a message, either at edrumming or at 
my Yahoo account.  Otherwise, I'd have been right on it. You can post 
your reviews in the Files section on this site. When you do so, you 
should check the box in the upload area to have a notice appear on 
the board that they are there. We had plans to use DTXpressions to 
host reviews, but haven't got it together yet. Anyway, I'm looking 
forward to your comments. Also, even though I've read what you had to 
say about the module elsewhere, if you feel inclined to talk about it 
some more at this forum--either as a review or a message--as Ross 
Perot said, we're all ears. Back almost a year ago when information 
started to leak and rumors to circulate about the new DTXtreme, I was 
poised to get it--even contacting Yamaha to try and sneak an early 
one.  As time, and NAMMs, passed, with no DTXTU in sight, my 
attention wandered. But sooner or later, I'm going to get my hands on 
one of them. 

Ed

It appears you have decided, I hope it works out... but for what it's 
worth I had brought my DR5 "rythm machine" to my buddies with the 
truth monitors and hooked them up real ghetto (headphone out straight 
to the back of the monitors) I must say it was loud enough for 
that... BUT I was looking at them for using with the drum machine NOT 
a E-Drum kit!  They definately had punch and the low end seemed to be 
there and it was pretty loud and more importantly clear. BUT I wasn't 
thinking E-drums and I can't recall what they would be like with the 
E-drums... but you definately don't want to be transporting studio 
monitors for a live gig! so if you need that I would go with 
something that can get bumped around with out you biting your lip 
everytime!

If you are starting to second guess yourself and have a couple of 
weeks, when I get my kit in.. should be next week.. I will borrow 
those monitors and jam through them and see.. I'll even hook up bass 
and guitar through my 1202 to see how much they can take in 
a "jamming" enviroment.

Gilligan

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> Gilligan,
> 
> I am also undecided between a keyboard amp and studio monitors. I 
> like the keyboard amp in the since of the onboard EQ and the 
inputs, 
> including the mic input. I like studio monitors because they are 
> small and versitile, yet provide great power. An example is the 
> Behringer Truth monitors as they have over 100 watts powering LF 
and 
> HF drivers. The fact that there are two versus one, the sound can 
> reach greater volumes. Only problem with the small studio monitors 
is 
> I do not know how they are on low-end, as in the bass drum. Has 
> anyone seen/heard an edrum on studio monitors? Cause if they can 
> produce some sort of punchy low-end on the base drum, then I think 
I 

> will end up going with studio monitors over the keyboard amp. I am 
> still not sure at these stages and am lacking on time to go to the 
> music shop and "hunt" as you could call it. Maybe I can make it on 
> thursday, supposed to rain here so practice should be cancelled. 
> Anyways, g/l and let me know what you find out and vice versa.
> 
> -Zack-

I'm trying to get specifically to DAZ or any one who uses the Behringer
KX1200 Keyboard monitor.  I just purchased a KX1200 today, online, and
it will probably be here before the end of the week.  My question is,
however, give me an idea of which channel you are connecting your
DTXPRESS III set to and what you're setting some of your settings on the
KX1200 for the best sound with your DTXPRESS III set, will you please?  
 
Thanks,
Glen
gdearl@...

-----Original Message-----
From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:47 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
 
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> All I do is search and search on what to do about monitoring. I 
need 
> input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on using an 
amp 
> versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking about 
> putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 6x8 
> midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If anyone 
> has built a small system themselves, I could also use input on 
that. 
> Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What do you 
> think is right?
> 
> P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on your 
current 
> set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be very 
> helpful.
> 
> -Zack-

  During an earlier discussion on this subject, I was one of the few 
people who advocated using a bass amp. I think it was a 300 watt 
Mcgregor amp with a 2x15 cab. It was a monster, when you start going 
round the kit and giving it a bit of stick (and pedal), you could 
feel the room shake. However after reading a few reports from here, 
I opted to change for the behringer kx1200. The first thing I 
noticed was the cymbals came to life, the difference in sound 
quality was amazing. There are also four seperate inputs, so anyone 
can just turn up with their guitar, plug in and off you go.
  As if all that wasnt good enough, I managed to pick up the kx1200 
for 210 gbp delivered, and sold the old one for 250.
  One word of warning though, after searching for reviews of the 
kx1200 I did find quite a few who complained about build quality and 
even the terrible state they arrived in due to poor packaging. 
  I can only say that the one I have arrived in pristine condition 
and sounds excellent.

I hope this is of some help to you.

Daz



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Hello Glen,
     As regards the setting I use, I'm afraid it isnt as black and 
white as you may think.  With the set up I have at the moment I use 
the mono output on the dtxpress brain, and put it straight into a 
small mixing desk (Behringer eurorack UB802).This then goes out of 
the desk to input one on the amp. The bass, low mid, high mid, and 
high settings are all set the about the middle, and I use the 
controls on the desk to alter the sound. 
  If you dont have any info on the Behringer kx1200, then you may 
like to visit www.behringer.com , go to the section on instrument 
amplification and then onto kx1200. There you will find you can 
download the manual, which will give you more info on the controls.

Daz.                                                                 
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
 --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> wrote:
> I'm trying to get specifically to DAZ or any one who uses the 
Behringer
> KX1200 Keyboard monitor.  I just purchased a KX1200 today, online, 
and
> it will probably be here before the end of the week.  My question 
is,
> however, give me an idea of which channel you are connecting your
> DTXPRESS III set to and what you're setting some of your settings 
on the
> KX1200 for the best sound with your DTXPRESS III set, will you 
please?  
>  
> Thanks,
> Glen
> gdearl@e...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:47 AM
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
>  
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
> <supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> > All I do is search and search on what to do about monitoring. I 
> need 
> > input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on using 
an 
> amp 
> > versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking about 
> > putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 6x8 
> > midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If 
anyone 
> > has built a small system themselves, I could also use input on 
> that. 
> > Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What do 
you 
> > think is right?
> > 
> > P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on your 
> current 
> > set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be very 
> > helpful.
> > 
> > -Zack-
> 
>   During an earlier discussion on this subject, I was one of the 
few 
> people who advocated using a bass amp. I think it was a 300 watt 
> Mcgregor amp with a 2x15 cab. It was a monster, when you start 
going 
> round the kit and giving it a bit of stick (and pedal), you could 
> feel the room shake. However after reading a few reports from 
here, 
> I opted to change for the behringer kx1200. The first thing I 
> noticed was the cymbals came to life, the difference in sound 
> quality was amazing. There are also four seperate inputs, so 
anyone 
> can just turn up with their guitar, plug in and off you go.
>   As if all that wasnt good enough, I managed to pick up the 
kx1200 
> for 210 gbp delivered, and sold the old one for 250.
>   One word of warning though, after searching for reviews of the 
> kx1200 I did find quite a few who complained about build quality 
and 
> even the terrible state they arrived in due to poor packaging. 
>   I can only say that the one I have arrived in pristine condition 
> and sounds excellent.
> 
> I hope this is of some help to you.
> 
> Daz
> 
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Awesome Gilligan. I won't be getting an amp/speaker system for about 
6 weeks. I'd love for you to post results of your testing. My other 
idea, because I know they can take the e-drum kit's frequencies, is 
making a box of plywood and inserting in cut out holes a 15" sub-
woofer and 2 6x8 midrange car speakers. Thinking about 300 watts on 
the sub and 250 on the midrange, each. Would somehow hook up a 400-
500 watt amp. This would take some more time but would ultimately be 
portable and a cost much less than getting an amp or whatnot. The 
power would be more than enough, but I don't know if I can spare 
enough time.

-Zack-

I'm sorry to have to bug you about this again, however, one of the
reasons I bought the Behringer KX1200 was due to your message about it
on the group and what your comments were about it.  You'll have to
excuse my ignorance about the DTXPRESS III and what it is that I need to
do to hook it up and make it sound good, but, I would really like to
know what it will take for me to connect it to the KX1200 and make it
work and sound good.  If it means that I need to purchase a Eurorack
UB802, Eurorack UB1002, or Eurorack UB1202 that's fine.  What I really
need to know, however, is why do you need to use the Eurorack UB802,
what purpose does it serve, and how and what does a person need to hook
it up so it will work and sound good in the KX1200?  Would you please
excuse my ignorance in regards to this and take the time once more to
help me out with this subject?  
 
Thank you very much for your time and consideration,
 
Glen
gdearl@...

-----Original Message-----
From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:03 AM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
 
Hello Glen,
     As regards the setting I use, I'm afraid it isnt as black and 
white as you may think.  With the set up I have at the moment I use 
the mono output on the dtxpress brain, and put it straight into a 
small mixing desk (Behringer eurorack UB802).This then goes out of 
the desk to input one on the amp. The bass, low mid, high mid, and 
high settings are all set the about the middle, and I use the 
controls on the desk to alter the sound. 
  If you dont have any info on the Behringer kx1200, then you may 
like to visit www.behringer.com , go to the section on instrument 
amplification and then onto kx1200. There you will find you can 
download the manual, which will give you more info on the controls.

Daz.                                                                 
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> wrote:
> I'm trying to get specifically to DAZ or any one who uses the 
Behringer
> KX1200 Keyboard monitor.  I just purchased a KX1200 today, online, 
and
> it will probably be here before the end of the week.  My question 
is,
> however, give me an idea of which channel you are connecting your
> DTXPRESS III set to and what you're setting some of your settings 
on the
> KX1200 for the best sound with your DTXPRESS III set, will you 
please?  
>  
> Thanks,
> Glen
> gdearl@e...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:47 AM
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
>  
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
> <supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> > All I do is search and search on what to do about monitoring. I 
> need 
> > input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on using 
an 
> amp 
> > versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking about 
> > putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 6x8 
> > midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If 
anyone 
> > has built a small system themselves, I could also use input on 
> that. 
> > Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What do 
you 
> > think is right?
> > 
> > P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on your 
> current 
> > set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be very 
> > helpful.
> > 
> > -Zack-
> 
>   During an earlier discussion on this subject, I was one of the 
few 
> people who advocated using a bass amp. I think it was a 300 watt 
> Mcgregor amp with a 2x15 cab. It was a monster, when you start 
going 
> round the kit and giving it a bit of stick (and pedal), you could 
> feel the room shake. However after reading a few reports from 
here, 
> I opted to change for the behringer kx1200. The first thing I 
> noticed was the cymbals came to life, the difference in sound 
> quality was amazing. There are also four seperate inputs, so 
anyone 
> can just turn up with their guitar, plug in and off you go.
>   As if all that wasnt good enough, I managed to pick up the 
kx1200 
> for 210 gbp delivered, and sold the old one for 250.
>   One word of warning though, after searching for reviews of the 
> kx1200 I did find quite a few who complained about build quality 
and 
> even the terrible state they arrived in due to poor packaging. 
>   I can only say that the one I have arrived in pristine condition 
> and sounds excellent.
> 
> I hope this is of some help to you.
> 
> Daz
> 
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My concern with car audio is that it's no where near the level 
of "pro" audio... it's designed to basically go into the confines of 
a car where it is pretty tight where as this will have to carry the 
sounds in a more open room... maybe I'm wrong but I'm trying to 
remember demo'ing anything decent at like best buy or circuit city in 
the car audio department... I don't thing the stuff is that 
impressive, not for the money... to get true power you have to pay 
for premium gear with car audio they dont' seem to have a very strict 
rules to rating amps and such.  Once you look at spending that kind 
of money you might as well get some good pro gear designed for what 
you are doing :(

I'll let you know how it goes though!
Gilligan

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
<supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> Awesome Gilligan. I won't be getting an amp/speaker system for 
about 
> 6 weeks. I'd love for you to post results of your testing. My other 
> idea, because I know they can take the e-drum kit's frequencies, is 
> making a box of plywood and inserting in cut out holes a 15" sub-
> woofer and 2 6x8 midrange car speakers. Thinking about 300 watts on 
> the sub and 250 on the midrange, each. Would somehow hook up a 400-
> 500 watt amp. This would take some more time but would ultimately 
be 

> portable and a cost much less than getting an amp or whatnot. The 
> power would be more than enough, but I don't know if I can spare 
> enough time.
> 
> -Zack-

No need to apologize Glen, after reading back through my message, I 
seem to have glossed over a few things. 
In the past there was a thread about the lack of output in the 
headphone socket, and people either bought a small headphone amp, or 
like me a powered mixing desk. This was in the days before I had any 
amplification at all, and I had to use headphones all the time. So 
it isnt vital to have a mixing desk. For me it is something I 
already have, and is more convenient to have next to me and adjust 
the sound that way. The reason I mentioned it was to explain why I 
didnt have any amp settings to pass on to you.                       
All you need to hook up your dtxpress to an amp is a lead with a 
standard jack plug on each end. One end goes into the back of the 
dtx brain marked L/Mono. And the other into the back of the kx1200 
using any one of the four inputs. If you have managed to download 
the manual then you will be able to see the layout of the back for 
the inputs, and the front for the input controls.
  Now then, how to make it sound good. I am afraid I cant answer 
that one for you, it will just be a case of playing around with the 
settings on the front of the amp until you are happy. Probably a 
good way to start is to have the four equalizer switches in the 12 O 
clock position and make minor adjustments to suit your ear. The only 
tip I would think to give you is, never have the volume on the dtx 
brain (Module) turned up full. I find the cymbals distort a bit and 
sound dreadful. I usually have it at about two thirds volume and 
just turn the amp up an extra notch. Another possible aid for you to 
consider is a stand for the amp. I used to be in a situation where 
the amp was on the floor, and I didnt get the full benefit of the 
sound. Then I used to put it on a chair at the other side of the 
room, but found I couldnt adjust the volume or settings easily ( 
which is why I have the mixer just next to my kit). Having a stand 
so the speakers are angled straight at you is a very simple way to 
improve the sound. 
   I seem to have been rabbiting on for a bit now, so I will leave 
you in peace for a while. I apologize if my previous answer was a 
bit vague.


Daz 
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
  --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> 
wrote:
> I'm sorry to have to bug you about this again, however, one of the
> reasons I bought the Behringer KX1200 was due to your message 
about it
> on the group and what your comments were about it.  You'll have to
> excuse my ignorance about the DTXPRESS III and what it is that I 
need to
> do to hook it up and make it sound good, but, I would really like 
to
> know what it will take for me to connect it to the KX1200 and make 
it
> work and sound good.  If it means that I need to purchase a 
Eurorack
> UB802, Eurorack UB1002, or Eurorack UB1202 that's fine.  What I 
really
> need to know, however, is why do you need to use the Eurorack 
UB802,
> what purpose does it serve, and how and what does a person need to 
hook
> it up so it will work and sound good in the KX1200?  Would you 
please
> excuse my ignorance in regards to this and take the time once more 
to
> help me out with this subject?  
>  
> Thank you very much for your time and consideration,
>  
> Glen
> gdearl@e...
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:03 AM
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
>  
> Hello Glen,
>      As regards the setting I use, I'm afraid it isnt as black and 
> white as you may think.  With the set up I have at the moment I 
use 
> the mono output on the dtxpress brain, and put it straight into a 
> small mixing desk (Behringer eurorack UB802).This then goes out of 
> the desk to input one on the amp. The bass, low mid, high mid, and 
> high settings are all set the about the middle, and I use the 
> controls on the desk to alter the sound. 
>   If you dont have any info on the Behringer kx1200, then you may 
> like to visit www.behringer.com , go to the section on instrument 
> amplification and then onto kx1200. There you will find you can 
> download the manual, which will give you more info on the controls.
> 
> 
Daz.                                                                 
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> 
wrote:
> > I'm trying to get specifically to DAZ or any one who uses the 
> Behringer
> > KX1200 Keyboard monitor.  I just purchased a KX1200 today, 
online, 
> and
> > it will probably be here before the end of the week.  My 
question 
> is,
> > however, give me an idea of which channel you are connecting your
> > DTXPRESS III set to and what you're setting some of your 
settings 
> on the
> > KX1200 for the best sound with your DTXPRESS III set, will you 
> please?  
> >  
> > Thanks,
> > Glen
> > gdearl@e...
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:47 AM
> > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
> >  
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
> > <supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> > > All I do is search and search on what to do about monitoring. 
I 
> > need 
> > > input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on using 
> an 
> > amp 
> > > versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking about 
> > > putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 
6x8 
> > > midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If 
> anyone 
> > > has built a small system themselves, I could also use input on 
> > that. 
> > > Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What do 
> you 
> > > think is right?
> > > 
> > > P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on your 
> > current 
> > > set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be 
very 
> > > helpful.
> > > 
> > > -Zack-
> > 
> >   During an earlier discussion on this subject, I was one of the 
> few 
> > people who advocated using a bass amp. I think it was a 300 watt 
> > Mcgregor amp with a 2x15 cab. It was a monster, when you start 
> going 
> > round the kit and giving it a bit of stick (and pedal), you 
could 
> > feel the room shake. However after reading a few reports from 
> here, 
> > I opted to change for the behringer kx1200. The first thing I 
> > noticed was the cymbals came to life, the difference in sound 
> > quality was amazing. There are also four seperate inputs, so 
> anyone 
> > can just turn up with their guitar, plug in and off you go.
> >   As if all that wasnt good enough, I managed to pick up the 
> kx1200 
> > for 210 gbp delivered, and sold the old one for 250.
> >   One word of warning though, after searching for reviews of the 
> > kx1200 I did find quite a few who complained about build quality 
> and 
> > even the terrible state they arrived in due to poor packaging. 
> >   I can only say that the one I have arrived in pristine 
condition 
> > and sounds excellent.
> > 
> > I hope this is of some help to you.
> > 
> > Daz
> > 
> > 
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Thanks DAZ, that helped put my mind at ease quite a lot.  I do
appreciate the time you have taken to help me understand what I'm about
to get and somewhat how to use it and make it work for my situation.  I
only have one more question about it, at this time, and that is, does
having a Behringer Eurorack UB802 help with volume (as in giving it a
boost or energy) or does it just help in controlling the sound output of
the system?  In other words, would you really highly recommend having
one in addition to the KX1200 or not?  Or if it is a recommendation at
all, would you recommend having something else that might work even
better?  Another thing, as far as volume, does the KX1200 have a pretty
good punch to it, or is it pretty lame?  Thanks again for all of your
help and for now I'll try and leave you alone about it.  
 
It's just nice to get input from someone who has the same type of
equipment I'm about to have which has the experience already and how to
use it, you know?  Thanks!
 
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:50 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
 
No need to apologize Glen, after reading back through my message, I 
seem to have glossed over a few things. 
In the past there was a thread about the lack of output in the 
headphone socket, and people either bought a small headphone amp, or 
like me a powered mixing desk. This was in the days before I had any 
amplification at all, and I had to use headphones all the time. So 
it isnt vital to have a mixing desk. For me it is something I 
already have, and is more convenient to have next to me and adjust 
the sound that way. The reason I mentioned it was to explain why I 
didnt have any amp settings to pass on to you.                       
All you need to hook up your dtxpress to an amp is a lead with a 
standard jack plug on each end. One end goes into the back of the 
dtx brain marked L/Mono. And the other into the back of the kx1200 
using any one of the four inputs. If you have managed to download 
the manual then you will be able to see the layout of the back for 
the inputs, and the front for the input controls.
  Now then, how to make it sound good. I am afraid I cant answer 
that one for you, it will just be a case of playing around with the 
settings on the front of the amp until you are happy. Probably a 
good way to start is to have the four equalizer switches in the 12 O 
clock position and make minor adjustments to suit your ear. The only 
tip I would think to give you is, never have the volume on the dtx 
brain (Module) turned up full. I find the cymbals distort a bit and 
sound dreadful. I usually have it at about two thirds volume and 
just turn the amp up an extra notch. Another possible aid for you to 
consider is a stand for the amp. I used to be in a situation where 
the amp was on the floor, and I didnt get the full benefit of the 
sound. Then I used to put it on a chair at the other side of the 
room, but found I couldnt adjust the volume or settings easily ( 
which is why I have the mixer just next to my kit). Having a stand 
so the speakers are angled straight at you is a very simple way to 
improve the sound. 
   I seem to have been rabbiting on for a bit now, so I will leave 
you in peace for a while. I apologize if my previous answer was a 
bit vague.


Daz 
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                                     
  --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> 
wrote:
> I'm sorry to have to bug you about this again, however, one of the
> reasons I bought the Behringer KX1200 was due to your message 
about it
> on the group and what your comments were about it.  You'll have to
> excuse my ignorance about the DTXPRESS III and what it is that I 
need to
> do to hook it up and make it sound good, but, I would really like 
to
> know what it will take for me to connect it to the KX1200 and make 
it
> work and sound good.  If it means that I need to purchase a 
Eurorack
> UB802, Eurorack UB1002, or Eurorack UB1202 that's fine.  What I 
really
> need to know, however, is why do you need to use the Eurorack 
UB802,
> what purpose does it serve, and how and what does a person need to 
hook
> it up so it will work and sound good in the KX1200?  Would you 
please
> excuse my ignorance in regards to this and take the time once more 
to
> help me out with this subject?  
>  
> Thank you very much for your time and consideration,
>  
> Glen
> gdearl@e...
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:03 AM
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
>  
> Hello Glen,
>      As regards the setting I use, I'm afraid it isnt as black and 
> white as you may think.  With the set up I have at the moment I 
use 
> the mono output on the dtxpress brain, and put it straight into a 
> small mixing desk (Behringer eurorack UB802).This then goes out of 
> the desk to input one on the amp. The bass, low mid, high mid, and 
> high settings are all set the about the middle, and I use the 
> controls on the desk to alter the sound. 
>   If you dont have any info on the Behringer kx1200, then you may 
> like to visit www.behringer.com , go to the section on instrument 
> amplification and then onto kx1200. There you will find you can 
> download the manual, which will give you more info on the controls.
> 
> 
Daz.                                                                 
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> 
wrote:
> > I'm trying to get specifically to DAZ or any one who uses the 
> Behringer
> > KX1200 Keyboard monitor.  I just purchased a KX1200 today, 
online, 
> and
> > it will probably be here before the end of the week.  My 
question 
> is,
> > however, give me an idea of which channel you are connecting your
> > DTXPRESS III set to and what you're setting some of your 
settings 
> on the
> > KX1200 for the best sound with your DTXPRESS III set, will you 
> please?  
> >  
> > Thanks,
> > Glen
> > gdearl@e...
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:47 AM
> > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
> >  
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
> > <supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> > > All I do is search and search on what to do about monitoring. 
I 
> > need 
> > > input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on using 
> an 
> > amp 
> > > versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking about 
> > > putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 
6x8 
> > > midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If 
> anyone 
> > > has built a small system themselves, I could also use input on 
> > that. 
> > > Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What do 
> you 
> > > think is right?
> > > 
> > > P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on your 
> > current 
> > > set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be 
very 
> > > helpful.
> > > 
> > > -Zack-
> > 
> >   During an earlier discussion on this subject, I was one of the 
> few 
> > people who advocated using a bass amp. I think it was a 300 watt 
> > Mcgregor amp with a 2x15 cab. It was a monster, when you start 
> going 
> > round the kit and giving it a bit of stick (and pedal), you 
could 
> > feel the room shake. However after reading a few reports from 
> here, 
> > I opted to change for the behringer kx1200. The first thing I 
> > noticed was the cymbals came to life, the difference in sound 
> > quality was amazing. There are also four seperate inputs, so 
> anyone 
> > can just turn up with their guitar, plug in and off you go.
> >   As if all that wasnt good enough, I managed to pick up the 
> kx1200 
> > for 210 gbp delivered, and sold the old one for 250.
> >   One word of warning though, after searching for reviews of the 
> > kx1200 I did find quite a few who complained about build quality 
> and 
> > even the terrible state they arrived in due to poor packaging. 
> >   I can only say that the one I have arrived in pristine 
condition 
> > and sounds excellent.
> > 
> > I hope this is of some help to you.
> > 
> > Daz
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Hello Glen,
  I wouldnt worry about the ub802, it isnt neccesary for you to have 
one. As I said, it is just something I already had, and I only use 
it for the convenience of having a few controls next to me. As 
opposed to getting off my fat behind and walking a few feet to 
change the volume on the amp.

Daz.                                                                 
                                                                     
                                                                     
       --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> 
wrote:
> Thanks DAZ, that helped put my mind at ease quite a lot.  I do
> appreciate the time you have taken to help me understand what I'm 
about
> to get and somewhat how to use it and make it work for my 
situation.  I
> only have one more question about it, at this time, and that is, 
does
> having a Behringer Eurorack UB802 help with volume (as in giving 
it a
> boost or energy) or does it just help in controlling the sound 
output of
> the system?  In other words, would you really highly recommend 
having
> one in addition to the KX1200 or not?  Or if it is a 
recommendation at
> all, would you recommend having something else that might work even
> better?  Another thing, as far as volume, does the KX1200 have a 
pretty
> good punch to it, or is it pretty lame?  Thanks again for all of 
your
> help and for now I'll try and leave you alone about it.  
>  
> It's just nice to get input from someone who has the same type of
> equipment I'm about to have which has the experience already and 
how to
> use it, you know?  Thanks!
>  
> Glen
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:50 PM
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
>  
> No need to apologize Glen, after reading back through my message, 
I 
> seem to have glossed over a few things. 
> In the past there was a thread about the lack of output in the 
> headphone socket, and people either bought a small headphone amp, 
or 
> like me a powered mixing desk. This was in the days before I had 
any 
> amplification at all, and I had to use headphones all the time. So 
> it isnt vital to have a mixing desk. For me it is something I 
> already have, and is more convenient to have next to me and adjust 
> the sound that way. The reason I mentioned it was to explain why I 
> didnt have any amp settings to pass on to 
you.                       
> All you need to hook up your dtxpress to an amp is a lead with a 
> standard jack plug on each end. One end goes into the back of the 
> dtx brain marked L/Mono. And the other into the back of the kx1200 
> using any one of the four inputs. If you have managed to download 
> the manual then you will be able to see the layout of the back for 
> the inputs, and the front for the input controls.
>   Now then, how to make it sound good. I am afraid I cant answer 
> that one for you, it will just be a case of playing around with 
the 
> settings on the front of the amp until you are happy. Probably a 
> good way to start is to have the four equalizer switches in the 12 
O 
> clock position and make minor adjustments to suit your ear. The 
only 
> tip I would think to give you is, never have the volume on the dtx 
> brain (Module) turned up full. I find the cymbals distort a bit 
and 
> sound dreadful. I usually have it at about two thirds volume and 
> just turn the amp up an extra notch. Another possible aid for you 
to 
> consider is a stand for the amp. I used to be in a situation where 
> the amp was on the floor, and I didnt get the full benefit of the 
> sound. Then I used to put it on a chair at the other side of the 
> room, but found I couldnt adjust the volume or settings easily ( 
> which is why I have the mixer just next to my kit). Having a stand 
> so the speakers are angled straight at you is a very simple way to 
> improve the sound. 
>    I seem to have been rabbiting on for a bit now, so I will leave 
> you in peace for a while. I apologize if my previous answer was a 
> bit vague.
> 
> 
> Daz 
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
>                                                                    
  
>   --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> 
> wrote:
> > I'm sorry to have to bug you about this again, however, one of 
the
> > reasons I bought the Behringer KX1200 was due to your message 
> about it
> > on the group and what your comments were about it.  You'll have 
to
> > excuse my ignorance about the DTXPRESS III and what it is that I 
> need to
> > do to hook it up and make it sound good, but, I would really 
like 
> to
> > know what it will take for me to connect it to the KX1200 and 
make 
> it
> > work and sound good.  If it means that I need to purchase a 
> Eurorack
> > UB802, Eurorack UB1002, or Eurorack UB1202 that's fine.  What I 
> really
> > need to know, however, is why do you need to use the Eurorack 
> UB802,
> > what purpose does it serve, and how and what does a person need 
to 
> hook
> > it up so it will work and sound good in the KX1200?  Would you 
> please
> > excuse my ignorance in regards to this and take the time once 
more 
> to
> > help me out with this subject?  
> >  
> > Thank you very much for your time and consideration,
> >  
> > Glen
> > gdearl@e...
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:03 AM
> > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
> >  
> > Hello Glen,
> >      As regards the setting I use, I'm afraid it isnt as black 
and 
> > white as you may think.  With the set up I have at the moment I 
> use 
> > the mono output on the dtxpress brain, and put it straight into 
a 
> > small mixing desk (Behringer eurorack UB802).This then goes out 
of 
> > the desk to input one on the amp. The bass, low mid, high mid, 
and 
> > high settings are all set the about the middle, and I use the 
> > controls on the desk to alter the sound. 
> >   If you dont have any info on the Behringer kx1200, then you 
may 
> > like to visit www.behringer.com , go to the section on 
instrument 
> > amplification and then onto kx1200. There you will find you can 
> > download the manual, which will give you more info on the 
controls.
> > 
> > 
> 
Daz.                                                                 
> 
>                                                                    
>   
> 
>                                                                    
>   
> 
>                                                                    
>   
> 
>                                                                    
>   
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Glen D. Earl" <gdearl@e...> 
> wrote:
> > > I'm trying to get specifically to DAZ or any one who uses the 
> > Behringer
> > > KX1200 Keyboard monitor.  I just purchased a KX1200 today, 
> online, 
> > and
> > > it will probably be here before the end of the week.  My 
> question 
> > is,
> > > however, give me an idea of which channel you are connecting 
your
> > > DTXPRESS III set to and what you're setting some of your 
> settings 
> > on the
> > > KX1200 for the best sound with your DTXPRESS III set, will you 
> > please?  
> > >  
> > > Thanks,
> > > Glen
> > > gdearl@e...
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: reetaprice [mailto:reetaprice@y...] 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:47 AM
> > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Amps n' such...
> > >  
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "supernovanexus" 
> > > <supernovanexus@y...> wrote:
> > > > All I do is search and search on what to do about 
monitoring. 
> I 
> > > need 
> > > > input on base amps versus keyboard amps. I need input on 
using 
> > an 
> > > amp 
> > > > versus using studio monitors. Also, I have been thinking 
about 
> > > > putting together some type of speaker (build a case and use 
> 6x8 
> > > > midrange car speakers and 10"/12" component subwoofers). If 
> > anyone 
> > > > has built a small system themselves, I could also use input 
on 
> > > that. 
> > > > Maybe a subwoofer and some sort of mid-range speaker. What 
do 
> > you 
> > > > think is right?
> > > > 
> > > > P.S. Please reply with what monitoring system you use on 
your 
> > > current 
> > > > set-up and how it has worked for you thus far...it would be 
> very 
> > > > helpful.
> > > > 
> > > > -Zack-
> > > 
> > >   During an earlier discussion on this subject, I was one of 
the 
> > few 
> > > people who advocated using a bass amp. I think it was a 300 
watt 
> > > Mcgregor amp with a 2x15 cab. It was a monster, when you start 
> > going 
> > > round the kit and giving it a bit of stick (and pedal), you 
> could 
> > > feel the room shake. However after reading a few reports from 
> > here, 
> > > I opted to change for the behringer kx1200. The first thing I 
> > > noticed was the cymbals came to life, the difference in sound 
> > > quality was amazing. There are also four seperate inputs, so 
> > anyone 
> > > can just turn up with their guitar, plug in and off you go.
> > >   As if all that wasnt good enough, I managed to pick up the 
> > kx1200 
> > > for 210 gbp delivered, and sold the old one for 250.
> > >   One word of warning though, after searching for reviews of 
the 
> > > kx1200 I did find quite a few who complained about build 
quality 
> > and 
> > > even the terrible state they arrived in due to poor packaging. 
> > >   I can only say that the one I have arrived in pristine 
> condition 
> > > and sounds excellent.
> > > 
> > > I hope this is of some help to you.
> > > 
> > > Daz
> > > 
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Yeah, I agree. I was just in the process of buying a speaker system 
for my car: Headunit, amp, and 4 speakers.

-Zack-