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Photokit sharpener and B&W

Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-09 by aaashapiro

Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So what is the best way 
to apply it for black and white images?

One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to RGB, apply capture 
sharpening and then do all adjustments and finally output sharpening 
and then, before printing, convert back to greyscale.

Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen, convert to black and 
white through desaturation or channel mixer but keep in RGB until 
all adjustments are made, then output sharpen, convert to greyscale 
and print.

With digital camera capture one could follow the latter procedure 
after converting the raw file in rgb, or one could desaturate 
(presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting and then capture 
sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before printing being the 
conversion to greyscale.

What workflows do people use? Have I omitted some possibilities?

Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-09 by Louis Dina

I have PhotoKit Sharpener and use it fairly frequently for my color 
images.  I often use unsharp mask in Photoshop, since I get to see 
the results while I work, instead of waiting for PhotoKit to finish 
its new layer.

I usually prefer to save sharpening as my final step in the editing 
process.  Since PKS only works on RGB images this is a bit of a 
problem.  I don't really like converting back and forth between modes 
if I can avoid it.  

I do my B&W sharpening in Photoshop by creating a sharpening layer 
(Alt-Shft_Cntrl-N, followed by Alt-Shft_Cntrl-E).  Then I use unsharp 
mask and add a layer mask, painting where I want to add or remove 
sharpness.  I can also adjust the layer opacity to decrease the 
effect if desired.  It gives a lot of control and works nicely.  On 
very fuzzy images, I will sometimes I will use the the High Pass 
filter, set the mode to Overlay or Soft Light and vary the opacity, 
using a layer mask for paint sharpness in where needed.  

Another option, depending on what software you use to print, is to 
leave the image in RGB mode, convert to B&W (channel mixer, 
desaturate, etc) then sharpen with PhotoKit Sharpener since the image 
remains in RGB.  I use IJC/OPM for my B&W, and it accepts RGB images, 
and also has a neat channel mixer of its own for blending channels 
for different effects (at least in the Windows version).

Regards, Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "aaashapiro" 
<ashapiro@y...> wrote:
> 
> Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So what is the best 
way 
> to apply it for black and white images?
> 
> One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to RGB, apply capture 
> sharpening and then do all adjustments and finally output 
sharpening
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> and then, before printing, convert back to greyscale.
> 
> Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen, convert to black and 
> white through desaturation or channel mixer but keep in RGB until 
> all adjustments are made, then output sharpen, convert to greyscale 
> and print.
> 
> With digital camera capture one could follow the latter procedure 
> after converting the raw file in rgb, or one could desaturate 
> (presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting and then capture 
> sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before printing being the 
> conversion to greyscale.
> 
> What workflows do people use? Have I omitted some possibilities?

Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-09 by Carl Schofield

I use Deadman's custom sharpener for sharpening 16 bit grayscale scans. 
  Results are as good as PK sharpening, but without the inconvenience of 
converting to RGB and the enormous file sizes.

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html

Carl Schofield
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On Mar 8, 2005, at 11:03 PM, aaashapiro wrote:

>
>
> Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So what is the best way
> to apply it for black and white images?
>
> One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to RGB, apply capture
> sharpening and then do all adjustments and finally output sharpening
> and then, before printing, convert back to greyscale.
>
> Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen, convert to black and
> white through desaturation or channel mixer but keep in RGB until
> all adjustments are made, then output sharpen, convert to greyscale
> and print.
>
> With digital camera capture one could follow the latter procedure
> after converting the raw file in rgb, or one could desaturate
> (presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting and then capture
> sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before printing being the
> conversion to greyscale.
>
> What workflows do people use? Have I omitted some possibilities?

Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-09 by Diane Fields

Thanks Carl.  I have dled it but don't have time to try it today.  I used to do all my own sharpening with masks, etc.--tedious.  I bought PK Sharpener and a lot of that was done more quickly, still giving me lots of control over the process, but it is more difficult to arrive at a workflow for QTR--I normally save  a 'natively' sized file with minimal sharpening (i.e., just 'capture' more or less after RAW conversion--and of course, as you and others have said, it has to be done in RGB for PKS--creating more steps, etc.) and then don't do final sharpening until sizing.  I'm going to try Deadman's and see how it works into a b/w workflow for QTR.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carl Schofield 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W


  I use Deadman's custom sharpener for sharpening 16 bit grayscale scans. 
    Results are as good as PK sharpening, but without the inconvenience of 
  converting to RGB and the enormous file sizes.

  http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html

  Carl Schofield

  On Mar 8, 2005, at 11:03 PM, aaashapiro wrote:

  >
  >
  > Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So what is the best way
  > to apply it for black and white images?
  >
  > One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to RGB, apply capture
  > sharpening and then do all adjustments and finally output sharpening
  > and then, before printing, convert back to greyscale.
  >
  > Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen, convert to black and
  > white through desaturation or channel mixer but keep in RGB until
  > all adjustments are made, then output sharpen, convert to greyscale
  > and print.
  >
  > With digital camera capture one could follow the latter procedure
  > after converting the raw file in rgb, or one could desaturate
  > (presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting and then capture
  > sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before printing being the
  > conversion to greyscale.
  >
  > What workflows do people use? Have I omitted some possibilities?



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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-09 by Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Dina [mailto:lbdina@...]
> Sent: 09 March 2005 10:14
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W


> I don't really like converting back and forth between modes
> if I can avoid it.

Why not, the images is digitised so what can possibly change.

Richard


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[Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-09 by Louis Dina

> > I don't really like converting back and forth between modes
> > if I can avoid it.
> 
> Why not, the images is digitised so what can possibly change.
> 
> Richard

Every time you make a conversion from one space to another, you 
introduce data loss due to different gamuts and rounding errors.  If 
necessary, and if there is no other good way to achieve my goals, I 
will convert, but if there is a good way to achieve my goal without 
converting, that is usually my first choice.  It is less of an issue 
in 16 bit.  With 8-bit files, I avoid any manipulations that can 
degrade my file.

Lou

Re: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-09 by Alan.Huntley@cox.net

Richard,

Converting between different spaces results in data loss through rounding errors and other factors; which will result in image degradation. Working in 16-bit, though, you probably wouldn't notice whatever degradation occurs.

I agree with Lou...in general, I would avoid converting spaces unless really needed to complete a task that can't be done in your usual working space.

Alan Huntley
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> From: "Richard" <richard@...-bulldog.com>
> Date: 2005/03/09 Wed AM 11:08:50 EST
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W
> 
> Why not, the images is digitised so what can possibly change.
> 
> Richard

Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Francis Ford

What is Deadman's custom sharpener? Will it work in a
mac?I just got  PK sharpening but have not worked with
it much yet.I don't mind working in RGB foe
B&W.Francis Ford
--- Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
> I use Deadman's custom sharpener for sharpening 16
> bit grayscale scans. 
>   Results are as good as PK sharpening, but without
> the inconvenience of 
> converting to RGB and the enormous file sizes.
> 
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html
> 
> Carl Schofield
> 
> On Mar 8, 2005, at 11:03 PM, aaashapiro wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So
> what is the best way
> > to apply it for black and white images?
> >
> > One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to
> RGB, apply capture
> > sharpening and then do all adjustments and finally
> output sharpening
> > and then, before printing, convert back to
> greyscale.
> >
> > Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen,
> convert to black and
> > white through desaturation or channel mixer but
> keep in RGB until
> > all adjustments are made, then output sharpen,
> convert to greyscale
> > and print.
> >
> > With digital camera capture one could follow the
> latter procedure
> > after converting the raw file in rgb, or one could
> desaturate
> > (presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting
> and then capture
> > sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before
> printing being the
> > conversion to greyscale.
> >
> > What workflows do people use? Have I omitted some
> possibilities?
> 
> 


		
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Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Carl Schofield

Deadman's custom sharpener is an action that will operate on 16 bit 
gray files in Photoshop CS.  I also have PK sharpener but using it with 
16 bit gray scans of 4x5 negatives that are converted to RGB produces 
very large file sizes (2 gb+) that really slows my system down (iMac 
G5, 2 gb ram).  I like Deadman's custom sharpener because I can stay in 
16 bit gray mode and also it is very fast compared to PK.
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On Mar 10, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Francis Ford wrote:

>
> What is Deadman's custom sharpener? Will it work in a
> mac?I just got  PK sharpening but have not worked with
> it much yet.I don't mind working in RGB foe
> B&W.Francis Ford
> --- Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
>> I use Deadman's custom sharpener for sharpening 16
>> bit grayscale scans.
>>   Results are as good as PK sharpening, but without
>> the inconvenience of
>> converting to RGB and the enormous file sizes.
>>
>> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html
>>
>> Carl Schofield
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2005, at 11:03 PM, aaashapiro wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So
>> what is the best way
>>> to apply it for black and white images?
>>>
>>> One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to
>> RGB, apply capture
>>> sharpening and then do all adjustments and finally
>> output sharpening
>>> and then, before printing, convert back to
>> greyscale.
>>>
>>> Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen,
>> convert to black and
>>> white through desaturation or channel mixer but
>> keep in RGB until
>>> all adjustments are made, then output sharpen,
>> convert to greyscale
>>> and print.
>>>
>>> With digital camera capture one could follow the
>> latter procedure
>>> after converting the raw file in rgb, or one could
>> desaturate
>>> (presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting
>> and then capture
>>> sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before
>> printing being the
>>> conversion to greyscale.
>>>
>>> What workflows do people use? Have I omitted some
>> possibilities?
>>

Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Francis Ford

Thanks Carl....I think I will try it. Francis Ford
--- Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
> Deadman's custom sharpener is an action that will
> operate on 16 bit 
> gray files in Photoshop CS.  I also have PK
> sharpener but using it with 
> 16 bit gray scans of 4x5 negatives that are
> converted to RGB produces 
> very large file sizes (2 gb+) that really slows my
> system down (iMac 
> G5, 2 gb ram).  I like Deadman's custom sharpener
> because I can stay in 
> 16 bit gray mode and also it is very fast compared
> to PK.
> 
> On Mar 10, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Francis Ford wrote:
> 
> >
> > What is Deadman's custom sharpener? Will it work
> in a
> > mac?I just got  PK sharpening but have not worked
> with
> > it much yet.I don't mind working in RGB foe
> > B&W.Francis Ford
> > --- Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
> >> I use Deadman's custom sharpener for sharpening
> 16
> >> bit grayscale scans.
> >>   Results are as good as PK sharpening, but
> without
> >> the inconvenience of
> >> converting to RGB and the enormous file sizes.
> >>
> >> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html
> >>
> >> Carl Schofield
> >>
> >> On Mar 8, 2005, at 11:03 PM, aaashapiro wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So
> >> what is the best way
> >>> to apply it for black and white images?
> >>>
> >>> One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to
> >> RGB, apply capture
> >>> sharpening and then do all adjustments and
> finally
> >> output sharpening
> >>> and then, before printing, convert back to
> >> greyscale.
> >>>
> >>> Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen,
> >> convert to black and
> >>> white through desaturation or channel mixer but
> >> keep in RGB until
> >>> all adjustments are made, then output sharpen,
> >> convert to greyscale
> >>> and print.
> >>>
> >>> With digital camera capture one could follow the
> >> latter procedure
> >>> after converting the raw file in rgb, or one
> could
> >> desaturate
> >>> (presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting
> >> and then capture
> >>> sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before
> >> printing being the
> >>> conversion to greyscale.
> >>>
> >>> What workflows do people use? Have I omitted
> some
> >> possibilities?
> >>
> 
> 


		
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Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Diane Fields

Carl,  I downloaded both of his sharpeners and have been comparing them to each other.  I really like his Sharpener set also (has 4 actions to choose from).  I was surprised how much control they gave me--and are easily usable with masking on duplicate layers and his Bruce Fraser set is really quite nice (and of course, that is what PK Sharpener is based on to a great degree, isn't it??).  Thanks so much for this link.  I'm very pleased with them.  Using them with the gray-lab profile and adjusting to suit me in that profile, then sharpening is probably the workflow I'll refine.  Ah, yes, also much faster than using PK Sharpener. 

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carl Schofield 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photokit sharpener and B&W


  Deadman's custom sharpener is an action that will operate on 16 bit 
  gray files in Photoshop CS.  I also have PK sharpener but using it with 
  16 bit gray scans of 4x5 negatives that are converted to RGB produces 
  very large file sizes (2 gb+) that really slows my system down (iMac 
  G5, 2 gb ram).  I like Deadman's custom sharpener because I can stay in 
  16 bit gray mode and also it is very fast compared to PK.

  On Mar 10, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Francis Ford wrote:

  >
  > What is Deadman's custom sharpener? Will it work in a
  > mac?I just got  PK sharpening but have not worked with
  > it much yet.I don't mind working in RGB foe
  > B&W.Francis Ford
  > --- Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
  >> I use Deadman's custom sharpener for sharpening 16
  >> bit grayscale scans.
  >>   Results are as good as PK sharpening, but without
  >> the inconvenience of
  >> converting to RGB and the enormous file sizes.
  >>
  >> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html
  >>
  >> Carl Schofield
  >>
  >> On Mar 8, 2005, at 11:03 PM, aaashapiro wrote:
  >>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Photokit sharpener works only on RGB images. So
  >> what is the best way
  >>> to apply it for black and white images?
  >>>
  >>> One could scan in greyscale, then change mode to
  >> RGB, apply capture
  >>> sharpening and then do all adjustments and finally
  >> output sharpening
  >>> and then, before printing, convert back to
  >> greyscale.
  >>>
  >>> Or, one could scan in RGB, capture sharpen,
  >> convert to black and
  >>> white through desaturation or channel mixer but
  >> keep in RGB until
  >>> all adjustments are made, then output sharpen,
  >> convert to greyscale
  >>> and print.
  >>>
  >>> With digital camera capture one could follow the
  >> latter procedure
  >>> after converting the raw file in rgb, or one could
  >> desaturate
  >>> (presuming Adobe Capture Raw)prior to converting
  >> and then capture
  >>> sharpen etc. with, again, the last step before
  >> printing being the
  >>> conversion to greyscale.
  >>>
  >>> What workflows do people use? Have I omitted some
  >> possibilities?
  >>



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Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Andrew Unger

I've been following this thread and encouraged by Diane's experience 
I downloaded the files, extracted them but couldn't figure out how 
to get them to work in my PS-CS, Windows XP-Home setup.  There was 
no "install" process so I copied the files to the folder where other 
filters are but they didn't show up in the listbox.  Thanks for any 
help.

Andrew

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Carl Schofield

You have to load the sharpening actions in PS CS in the actions pallete 
menu.  In the drop down actions pallette menu select Load Actions, 
navigate to the location of your action file, and load.

Carl
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On Mar 10, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Andrew Unger wrote:

>
>
> I've been following this thread and encouraged by Diane's experience
> I downloaded the files, extracted them but couldn't figure out how
> to get them to work in my PS-CS, Windows XP-Home setup.  There was
> no "install" process so I copied the files to the folder where other
> filters are but they didn't show up in the listbox.  Thanks for any
> help.
>
> Andrew
>
>

Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Louis Dina

Andrew,

Extract the files from the Stuffit archive and place those files in 
the Photoshop Actions folder.  On my WinXP machine the proper 
location is Program Files > Adobe > Phoroshop CS > Presets > 
Photoshop Actions.

Relaunch Photoshop and open the Actions palette.  Click the right 
facing arrow in the upper right hand corner and select "Load 
Actions".  You should see the actions you placed into the folder 
above.  Select the action you want and it will show up in your action 
palette.  Then run as you do any action.

Lou

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> 
> I've been following this thread and encouraged by Diane's 
experience 
> I downloaded the files, extracted them but couldn't figure out how 
> to get them to work in my PS-CS, Windows XP-Home setup.  There was 
> no "install" process so I copied the files to the folder where 
other
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> filters are but they didn't show up in the listbox.  Thanks for any 
> help.
> 
> Andrew

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Diane Fields

Andrew,

They are plugins so you must extract them from you zip and then copy or move them to your plugin folder in PSCS--like this  C/programs/Adobe/PSCS/presets/photoshop actions.  Then--you need to go to your action palette and click on the small arrow at the right, choose 'load actions' and browse to the action folder and click on okay.

I liked them best when I duplicated layers and applied the sharpening but would then mask out in areas where I wanted less sharpening OR used the opacity of the layers to apply the sharpening.

Hope this helps.

Diane
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  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:12 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W



  I've been following this thread and encouraged by Diane's experience 
  I downloaded the files, extracted them but couldn't figure out how 
  to get them to work in my PS-CS, Windows XP-Home setup.  There was 
  no "install" process so I copied the files to the folder where other 
  filters are but they didn't show up in the listbox.  Thanks for any 
  help.

  Andrew







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Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Andrew Unger

Lou,

Thanks for the suggestion which I followed.  However, when I 
attempted to load there was an error message "could not load the 
action because the file is not compatible with this version of 
Photoshop."  When you click on "load actions" the choice is limited 
to "atn" files.  The 4 downloaded files are 2 HQX files and 2 XLS 
files.  When I started to spell out a filename, the file would come 
up and I got the error message by clicking on it. The HQX files 
Properties indicate that they are opened by PS.  The XLS files 
are "unknown."  

Andrew 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
<lbdina@c...> wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> Extract the files from the Stuffit archive and place those files 
in 
> the Photoshop Actions folder.  On my WinXP machine the proper 
> location is Program Files > Adobe > Phoroshop CS > Presets > 
> Photoshop Actions.
> 
> Relaunch Photoshop and open the Actions palette.  Click the right 
> facing arrow in the upper right hand corner and select "Load 
> Actions".  You should see the actions you placed into the folder 
> above.  Select the action you want and it will show up in your 
action
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> palette.  Then run as you do any action.
> 
> Lou
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Diane Fields

You need to unzip those files first with STuffit and choose all the formats so that it knows which files to associate unzipping with and where to place them.  It will decode those particular files to an .atn.

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andrew Unger 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:11 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W



  Lou,

  Thanks for the suggestion which I followed.  However, when I 
  attempted to load there was an error message "could not load the 
  action because the file is not compatible with this version of 
  Photoshop."  When you click on "load actions" the choice is limited 
  to "atn" files.  The 4 downloaded files are 2 HQX files and 2 XLS 
  files.  When I started to spell out a filename, the file would come 
  up and I got the error message by clicking on it. The HQX files 
  Properties indicate that they are opened by PS.  The XLS files 
  are "unknown."  

  Andrew 

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
  <lbdina@c...> wrote:
  > 
  > Andrew,
  > 
  > Extract the files from the Stuffit archive and place those files 
  in 
  > the Photoshop Actions folder.  On my WinXP machine the proper 
  > location is Program Files > Adobe > Phoroshop CS > Presets > 
  > Photoshop Actions.
  > 
  > Relaunch Photoshop and open the Actions palette.  Click the right 
  > facing arrow in the upper right hand corner and select "Load 
  > Actions".  You should see the actions you placed into the folder 
  > above.  Select the action you want and it will show up in your 
  action 
  > palette.  Then run as you do any action.
  > 
  > Lou
  > 
  >





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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Diane Fields

Andrew, go here and dl Stuffit Expander, then associate all files with it and it will decode/open the files and  you will have .atn files for your plugin folder.  

http://www.stuffit.com/win/expander/index.html
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andrew Unger 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:11 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W



  Lou,

  Thanks for the suggestion which I followed.  However, when I 
  attempted to load there was an error message "could not load the 
  action because the file is not compatible with this version of 
  Photoshop."  When you click on "load actions" the choice is limited 
  to "atn" files.  The 4 downloaded files are 2 HQX files and 2 XLS 
  files.  When I started to spell out a filename, the file would come 
  up and I got the error message by clicking on it. The HQX files 
  Properties indicate that they are opened by PS.  The XLS files 
  are "unknown."  

  Andrew 

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
  <lbdina@c...> wrote:
  > 
  > Andrew,
  > 
  > Extract the files from the Stuffit archive and place those files 
  in 
  > the Photoshop Actions folder.  On my WinXP machine the proper 
  > location is Program Files > Adobe > Phoroshop CS > Presets > 
  > Photoshop Actions.
  > 
  > Relaunch Photoshop and open the Actions palette.  Click the right 
  > facing arrow in the upper right hand corner and select "Load 
  > Actions".  You should see the actions you placed into the folder 
  > above.  Select the action you want and it will show up in your 
  action 
  > palette.  Then run as you do any action.
  > 
  > Lou
  > 
  >





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Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-10 by Louis Dina

Andrew,

The HQX files are stuffit archive files for downloading.  They are 
similar to ZIP files need to be expanded before you can use the 
files.  The ATN files are hiding inside the compressed HQX file.  You 
will need to download Stuffit expander to open these files and 
extract the contents.  Then you should be able to follow my earlier 
procedure and use the actions.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Unger" 
<ungram@v...> wrote:
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> 
> Lou,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion which I followed.  However, when I 
> attempted to load there was an error message "could not load the 
> action because the file is not compatible with this version of 
> Photoshop."  When you click on "load actions" the choice is limited 
> to "atn" files.  The 4 downloaded files are 2 HQX files and 2 XLS 
> files.  When I started to spell out a filename, the file would come 
> up and I got the error message by clicking on it. The HQX files 
> Properties indicate that they are opened by PS.  The XLS files 
> are "unknown."  
> 
> Andrew 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
> <lbdina@c...> wrote:
> > 
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > Extract the files from the Stuffit archive and place those files 
> in 
> > the Photoshop Actions folder.  On my WinXP machine the proper 
> > location is Program Files > Adobe > Phoroshop CS > Presets > 
> > Photoshop Actions.
> > 
> > Relaunch Photoshop and open the Actions palette.  Click the right 
> > facing arrow in the upper right hand corner and select "Load 
> > Actions".  You should see the actions you placed into the folder 
> > above.  Select the action you want and it will show up in your 
> action 
> > palette.  Then run as you do any action.
> > 
> > Lou
> > 
> >

Re: Photokit sharpener and B&W

2005-03-11 by Andrew Unger

Thanks Lou and Diane.  I had to get the current edition, 8.5 of 
Stuffit for Windows as 7.0 wouldn't work.  Now all I have to do is 
work my way through the actions.  I've been using the High Pass 
filter technique which gives really good sharpening to the final 
print size, but I want to try something else also.  

Andrew

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.