Digital BW, The Print

After I cleaned out my 7600, it would not accept the PK cart. I got a "wrong
ink" error message.  So, I just put back in the MK cart and all is fine.

 

However, I'd previously put in a PK cart with MK ink in it to fool the
printer into showing all the media types.  I did not go through the Epson
ink switching procedure because the ink in the carts is the same - Eboni.
So, I must have done something that got around an Epson safeguard.  Maybe I
switched from MK to PK with the printer off.

 

Any ideas on a way to switch ink and avoid the error message would be most
appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 



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Here is the easiest solution, go to this extremely huge page-
http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi013/Epson9600.html
scroll down to- 4/25/2004 How to change from matte black to photo
black without wasting money and ink.
Follow the directions, it works.
Know as the "african" method, despite the above description, it works
from PK to MK also.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> After I cleaned out my 7600, it would not accept the PK cart. I got
a "wrong
> ink" error message.  So, I just put back in the MK cart and all is fine.
> 
>  
> 
> However, I'd previously put in a PK cart with MK ink in it to fool the
> printer into showing all the media types.  I did not go through the
Epson
> ink switching procedure because the ink in the carts is the same -
Eboni.
> So, I must have done something that got around an Epson safeguard. 
Maybe I
> switched from MK to PK with the printer off.
> 
>  
> 
> Any ideas on a way to switch ink and avoid the error message would
be most

> appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Tyler.  Maybe I followed that before, and then my cleaning procedure
messed me up again.

That Outback group has an amazing amount of useful information.  Do you know
who or what they are?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler
> Boley
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:18 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 7600 -- Switching black inks
> 
> Here is the easiest solution, go to this extremely huge page-
> http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi013/Epson9600.html
> scroll down to- 4/25/2004 How to change from matte black to photo
> black without wasting money and ink.
> Follow the directions, it works.
> Know as the "african" method, despite the above description, it works
> from PK to MK also.
> Tyler
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > After I cleaned out my 7600, it would not accept the PK cart. I got
> a "wrong
> > ink" error message.  So, I just put back in the MK cart and all is fine.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, I'd previously put in a PK cart with MK ink in it to fool the
> > printer into showing all the media types.  I did not go through the
> Epson
> > ink switching procedure because the ink in the carts is the same -
> Eboni.
> > So, I must have done something that got around an Epson safeguard.
> Maybe I
> > switched from MK to PK with the printer off.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas on a way to switch ink and avoid the error message would
> be most
> > appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
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Hello all,

Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with MIS 
UT-7 inks?

2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.

Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a 
second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I don't 
know. ;)

Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed second, 
bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the cartridges 
between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the leaking 
started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first install 
when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper, and 
by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-most 
print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
[large files for clarity]

any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?

sigh,
-Joie Puckett

Paul, 

Can you use that Ebony ink with a color Ultrachrome inkset and avoid having 
to switch back and forth with the African method?

John

>Paul, 
>
>Can you use that Ebony ink with a color Ultrachrome inkset
and avoid having 
>to switch back and forth with the African method?
>
>John

The MIS ebony is for matte papers and gives slightly better
dmax. They do make an ink for use on both matte and glossy
papers but I've never tried it.

Regards, Walt

http://www.kauaiphotos.biz

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
...
> That Outback group has an amazing amount of useful information.  Do
you know
> who or what they are?

No, but where? Why, out back of course.
Actually I don't know, but the name seems familiar as having been
around a very long time on all the lists. The "african method" was, I
think, worked out by someone else, and they posted it there.
Tyler

John,

As Walt indicated, Eboni is a matte black -- just more neutral and a bit
darker in some printers than the UC MK.  

The reason I put it in a PK cart is to have the driver show all the media
types.  "Premium Glossy" media type prints with a better dmax on matte paper
than do the matte media types.  So, I'm just using a hack to get a bit of an
improvement from the dmax-challenged Epson 7600 driver.  I might end up
abandoning the Epson driver for a rip that can deliver a real matte dmax.
But, especially on Windows, the rips have their own problems.

With respect to avoiding the ink switching problems, that is taken care of
with UT7.  It prints on either media type without any ink changing required.
The 2 dark grays together deliver an excellent dmax even with the Epson
driver.   Of course, Photoshop RGB curves are needed, and the MK is not used
at all.

(The MIS Universal K, as with all of those, is a hybrid pig-dye that I won't
use.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john
> dean
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:25 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 7600 -- Switching black inks
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Can you use that Ebony ink with a color Ultrachrome inkset and avoid
> having
> to switch back and forth with the African method?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Joie,

(Those are the older UT7 carts.  I'm not sure who would have filled them --
probably the old contractor.)

I sometimes have what your photos show happen on my systems also.  I think
it is air or foam in the line.  Usually it happens to me sometime after I've
done something with the inks in one of my large format printers.  

New carts should have had a good enough vacuum in them that there should not
be foam.  So, this loading job may have not had a very good vacuum. 

Let them sit for a day and see if the ink will pool enough around the outlet
to avoid foam getting to the head.  That would be my advice.  I suspect
cleaning will pull the ink too fast, but I could be wrong there -- or on all
of this.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joie
> puckett
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:10 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] MIS inks leaking.
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with MIS
> UT-7 inks?
> 
> 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> 
> Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a
> second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I don't
> know. ;)
> 
> Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed second,
> bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the cartridges
> between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the leaking
> started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first install
> when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper, and
> by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-most
> print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
> [large files for clarity]
> 
> any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> 
> sigh,
> -Joie Puckett
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Paul,

Thank you for your response. 

I purchased these within the last two weeks and installed today.  Is 
this issue of /older carts/ something I should take up with MIS in terms 
of a possible error receiving these carts?


Thanks,
Joie

Paul Roark wrote:

> Joie,
>
> (Those are the older UT7 carts.  I'm not sure who would have filled 
> them --
> probably the old contractor.)
>
> I sometimes have what your photos show happen on my systems also.  I think
> it is air or foam in the line.  Usually it happens to me sometime 
> after I've
> done something with the inks in one of my large format printers. 
>
> New carts should have had a good enough vacuum in them that there 
> should not
> be foam.  So, this loading job may have not had a very good vacuum.
>
> Let them sit for a day and see if the ink will pool enough around the 
> outlet
> to avoid foam getting to the head.  That would be my advice.  I suspect
> cleaning will pull the ink too fast, but I could be wrong there -- or 
> on all
> of this.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joie
> > puckett
> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:10 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] MIS inks leaking.
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with MIS
> > UT-7 inks?
> >
> > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> >
> > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a
> > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I don't
> > know. ;)
> >
> > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed second,
> > bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the cartridges
> > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the leaking
> > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first install
> > when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper, and
> > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-most
> > print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/ 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejopuck3/MIS/>
> > [large files for clarity]
> >
> > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> >
> > sigh,
> > -Joie Puckett
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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When I used MIS cartridges I used to almost always get that kind of thing 
with the first few prints I made after installing new cartridges. As I 
recall it disappeared on its own accord after three or four prints were 
made. I was using a 1280 at the time.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joie puckett" <jopuck3@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] MIS inks leaking.


Hello all,

Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with MIS
UT-7 inks?

2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.

Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a
second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I don't
know. ;)

Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed second,
bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the cartridges
between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the leaking
started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first install
when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper, and
by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-most
print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
[large files for clarity]

any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?

sigh,
-Joie Puckett





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Thanks Brian.  I'll keep plugging away.

Brian Ellis wrote:

> When I used MIS cartridges I used to almost always get that kind of thing
> with the first few prints I made after installing new cartridges. As I
> recall it disappeared on its own accord after three or four prints were
> made. I was using a 1280 at the time.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "joie puckett" <jopuck3@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:09 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] MIS inks leaking.
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with MIS
> UT-7 inks?
>
> 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
>
> Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a
> second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I don't
> know. ;)
>
> Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed second,
> bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the cartridges
> between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the leaking
> started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first install
> when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper, and
> by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-most
> print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/ 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejopuck3/MIS/>
> [large files for clarity]
>
> any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
>
> sigh,
> -Joie Puckett
>
>
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Joie,

> When I used MIS cartridges I used to almost always get that kind of 
thing 
> with the first few prints I made after installing new cartridges. 
As I 
> recall it disappeared on its own accord after three or four prints 
were 
> made. I was using a 1280 at the time.
> 
>

I had the same problem with my 1160 using a CFS system, it's a real 
pain in the ass and a problem I wish MIS would address. This very 
problem is keeping me from using the UT7 inks with my new 1280.

Sorry I don't have a solution for you. Have you contacted MIS? Are 
these pre-filled carts?

Don Bryant

Don,

No, I haven't contacted MIS yet.  I'm not sure how much the issue of 
these pre-filled cartridges being "old" comes into play, and I'm not 
even sure what that really means (that they may be older carts).  Maybe 
after I contact them on Monday, I'll have a better idea.

-Joie


donbga wrote:

> Joie,
>
> > When I used MIS cartridges I used to almost always get that kind of
> thing
> > with the first few prints I made after installing new cartridges.
> As I
> > recall it disappeared on its own accord after three or four prints
> were
> > made. I was using a 1280 at the time.
> >
> >
>
> I had the same problem with my 1160 using a CFS system, it's a real
> pain in the ass and a problem I wish MIS would address. This very
> problem is keeping me from using the UT7 inks with my new 1280.
>
> Sorry I don't have a solution for you. Have you contacted MIS? Are
> these pre-filled carts?
>
> Don Bryant



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YUK!  Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If 
that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly on an 
ape! And, rightfully so.  I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with 
converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this road.  It 
will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has 
an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
Thanks for the feedback, Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett 
<jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with 
MIS 
> UT-7 inks?
> 
> 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> 
> Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a 
> second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I 
don't 
> know. ;)
> 
> Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed 
second, 
> bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the 
cartridges 
> between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the 
leaking 
> started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first 
install 
> when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper, 
and 
> by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-
most 

> print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
> [large files for clarity]
> 
> any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> 
> sigh,
> -Joie Puckett

last week we were discussing how BO does not really work the 
c86......at least not on a mac. Have you actually done BO with your 
c86? I tried it and it was bad....Doug M
On May 22, 2005, at 9:45 AM, mbrouphy wrote:

> YUK!� Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If
>  that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly on an
>  ape! And, rightfully so.� I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with
>  converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this road.� It
>  will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
>  an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
>  Thanks for the feedback, Mike
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
>  <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
>  > Hello all,
>  >
>  > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with
>  MIS
>  > UT-7 inks?
>  >
>  > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
>  >
>  > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a
>  > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I
>  don't
>  > know. ;)
>  >
>  > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed
>  second,
>  > bottom print was last.� Nothing was changed in regard to the
>  cartridges
>  > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the
>  leaking
>  > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first
>  install
>  > when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper,
>  and
>  > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-
>  most
>  > print had no spillage.]� But, then it started up again.
>  >
>  > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
>  > [large files for clarity]
>  >
>  > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
>  >
>  > sigh,
>  > -Joie Puckett
>
>
>
>
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Mike,

The inks were installed on saturday morning and removed saturday night.  
I will contact them Monday to see what they say.  The only real issue 
with the ink getting on the printer is related to the rollers.  Luckily, 
the ink leaked only onto the paper, and being wet when rolled out, found 
itself on the rollers.

-Joie


mbrouphy wrote:

> YUK!  Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If
> that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly on an
> ape! And, rightfully so.  I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with
> converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this road.  It
> will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
> an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
> Thanks for the feedback, Mike
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
> <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with
> MIS
> > UT-7 inks?
> >
> > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> >
> > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a
> > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I
> don't
> > know. ;)
> >
> > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed
> second,
> > bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the
> cartridges
> > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the
> leaking
> > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first
> install
> > when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper,
> and
> > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-
> most
> > print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/ 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejopuck3/MIS/>
> > [large files for clarity]
> >
> > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> >
> > sigh,
> > -Joie Puckett
>
>
>
>
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Doug,
The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul Roark's website, 
and other information available through the group seems to indicate 
that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest thing since 
sliced bread.  I'd be interested to see what the general opinions are 
around the group on this.  I originally wanted to use an older Photo 
EX on a Win98 system for this; but, have had no feedback to my 
request for info and experience with this printer for BO printing.
Thanks,
Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> last week we were discussing how BO does not really work the 
> c86......at least not on a mac. Have you actually done BO with your 
> c86? I tried it and it was bad....Doug M
> On May 22, 2005, at 9:45 AM, mbrouphy wrote:
> 
> > YUK!  Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If
> >  that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly 
on an
> >  ape! And, rightfully so.  I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with
> >  converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this 
road.  It
> >  will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
> >  an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
> >  Thanks for the feedback, Mike
> >
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
> >  <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> >  > Hello all,
> >  >
> >  > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered 
with
> >  MIS
> >  > UT-7 inks?
> >  >
> >  > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> >  >
> >  > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, 
and a
> >  > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I
> >  don't
> >  > know. ;)
> >  >
> >  > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed
> >  second,
> >  > bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the
> >  cartridges
> >  > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the
> >  leaking
> >  > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first
> >  install
> >  > when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap 
paper,
> >  and
> >  > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the 
top-
> >  most
> >  > print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> >  >
> >  > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
> >  > [large files for clarity]
> >  >
> >  > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> >  >
> >  > sigh,
> >  > -Joie Puckett
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Joie,
Your prints looked totally uneffected by the problem and only the 
front and back ends got trashed.  From what I could see on you 
evidence pix the printed portraits look real nice and can only 
imagine that you are pleased with the tonal quality, gradations, 
contrast, etc.  Can you please expound on that? There seems to be 
some question on the suitability of the c86, which I would be using, 
and MIS for BO printing.

But, it's a shame that this is a problem which has been going on for 
some time with this system, though. Hopefully, my concerns will be 
put aside in the future. 

Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett 
<jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> The inks were installed on saturday morning and removed saturday 
night.  
> I will contact them Monday to see what they say.  The only real 
issue 
> with the ink getting on the printer is related to the rollers.  
Luckily, 
> the ink leaked only onto the paper, and being wet when rolled out, 
found 
> itself on the rollers.
> 
> -Joie
> 
> 
> mbrouphy wrote:
> 
> > YUK!  Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If
> > that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly on 
an
> > ape! And, rightfully so.  I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with
> > converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this road.  
It
> > will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
> > an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
> > Thanks for the feedback, Mike
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
> > <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered 
with
> > MIS
> > > UT-7 inks?
> > >
> > > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> > >
> > > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, 
and a
> > > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I
> > don't
> > > know. ;)
> > >
> > > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed
> > second,
> > > bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the
> > cartridges
> > > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the
> > leaking
> > > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first
> > install
> > > when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap 
paper,
> > and
> > > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the 
top-
> > most
> > > print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> > >
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/ 
> > <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejopuck3/MIS/>
> > > [large files for clarity]
> > >
> > > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> > >
> > > sigh,
> > > -Joie Puckett
> >
> >
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Mike,

I am not happy with the tonal range of the prints but that is not 
anything I would blame on the inks.  I am under deadline to produce 
prints for a client, and don't have time to play/experiment with the new 
inks.  This is why I pulled them out last night and went back to epson 
inks [so I could actually be /productive/.]  To their credit, the inks 
came out cleanly, and the epsons re-installed cleanly and quickly.

I absolutely plan on coming back to the MIS inks because the prints 
produced were exactly what I wanted in terms of no color shift 
[metasmerism], etc.. The only problem I still have to overcome is the 
mid range values were extremely flat.  I will post comparison images 
[between the epson and the mis inks] in a similar manner to the leaking 
images today.

-Joie



mbrouphy wrote:

> Joie,
> Your prints looked totally uneffected by the problem and only the
> front and back ends got trashed.  From what I could see on you
> evidence pix the printed portraits look real nice and can only
> imagine that you are pleased with the tonal quality, gradations,
> contrast, etc.  Can you please expound on that? There seems to be
> some question on the suitability of the c86, which I would be using,
> and MIS for BO printing.
>
> But, it's a shame that this is a problem which has been going on for
> some time with this system, though. Hopefully, my concerns will be
> put aside in the future.
>
> Mike
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
> <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > The inks were installed on saturday morning and removed saturday
> night. 
> > I will contact them Monday to see what they say.  The only real
> issue
> > with the ink getting on the printer is related to the rollers. 
> Luckily,
> > the ink leaked only onto the paper, and being wet when rolled out,
> found
> > itself on the rollers.
> >
> > -Joie
> >
> >
> > mbrouphy wrote:
> >
> > > YUK!  Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If
> > > that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly on
> an
> > > ape! And, rightfully so.  I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with
> > > converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this road. 
> It
> > > will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
> > > an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
> > > Thanks for the feedback, Mike
>


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OK......you are talking about the MIS-EZ inks, which paul roark has 
developed for the c86, which paul really likes. If paul Really likes 
them, you be assured that they work great...... However, when people 
around here say "Black only" or "B.O", they are refering to using only 
one pure black ink, and not 4 shades of black and grey. B.O is a 
technic that is used on the 1280, and 2200, and the bigger machines, 
and has a kind of nice grainy effect that people find works great for 
certain images. The epson driver allows you to chose the "black only" 
option, which shuts off all the colored inks. On the c86, it works 
badly, nothing like the 1280, at least with the mac driver.
On May 22, 2005, at 11:01 AM, mbrouphy wrote:

> Doug,
>  The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul Roark's website,
>  and other information available through the group seems to indicate
>  that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest thing since
>  sliced bread.� I'd be interested to see what the general opinions are
>  around the group on this.� I originally wanted to use an older Photo
>  EX on a Win98 system for this; but, have had no feedback to my
>  request for info and experience with this printer for BO printing.
>  Thanks,
>  Mike
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen
>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>  > last week we were discussing how BO does not really work the
>  > c86......at least not on a mac. Have you actually done BO with your
>  > c86? I tried it and it was bad....Doug M
>  > On May 22, 2005, at 9:45 AM, mbrouphy wrote:
>  >
>  > > YUK!� Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If
>  > >� that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly
>  on an
>  > >� ape! And, rightfully so.� I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with
>  > >� converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this
>  road.� It
>  > >� will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
>  > >� an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
>  > >� Thanks for the feedback, Mike
>  > >
>  > >� --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
>  > >� <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
>  > >� > Hello all,
>  > >� >
>  > >� > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered
>  with
>  > >� MIS
>  > >� > UT-7 inks?
>  > >� >
>  > >� > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
>  > >� >
>  > >� > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage,
>  and a
>  > >� > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I
>  > >� don't
>  > >� > know. ;)
>  > >� >
>  > >� > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed
>  > >� second,
>  > >� > bottom print was last.� Nothing was changed in regard to the
>  > >� cartridges
>  > >� > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the
>  > >� leaking
>  > >� > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first
>  > >� install
>  > >� > when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap
>  paper,
>  > >� and
>  > >� > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the
>  top-
>  > >� most
>  > >� > print had no spillage.]� But, then it started up again.
>  > >� >
>  > >� > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
>  > >� > [large files for clarity]
>  > >� >
>  > >� > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
>  > >� >
>  > >� > sigh,
>  > >� > -Joie Puckett
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
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> That Outback group has an amazing amount of useful information.  Do 
you know who or what they are?
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 

Hi Paul,

Digital Outback Photo is run by Uwe Steinmueller and his wife 
Bettina. They live in the SF Bay area near San Jose (just North of 
you) and have been very active in promoting digital photography, 
printing and workflow since the "early days".

Uwe has been an energetic advocate for digital through his Website 
and participation in many forums and workshops. Over the years, his 
Website has grown to contain a great deal of valuable information (as 
you mentioned) and is also a platform for marketing a number of 
products including his own e-books, actions, workshops, etc.

You can get a quick bio of Uwe and Bettina at the bottom of 
the "Editorial Team" page here:

http://www.outbackphoto.com/about/editorialteam.html

Just some general info since you were curious...

Cheers!
Richard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:
Doug,
Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from reading quite a bit of info 
on the group about the c86 and Eboni.  However, if the full EZ system 
works well, then I can go with that.  My first choice would have been 
to work out black only printing on a Photo EX.  It's a great printer 
and I'd hate to see it hit the rubbish pile! Any experience or 
knowledge on this one, Doug.

Thanks,
Mike

OK......you are talking about the MIS-EZ inks, which paul roark has 
> developed for the c86, which paul really likes. If paul Really 
likes 
> them, you be assured that they work great...... However, when 
people 
> around here say "Black only" or "B.O", they are refering to using 
only 
> one pure black ink, and not 4 shades of black and grey. B.O is a 
> technic that is used on the 1280, and 2200, and the bigger 
machines, 
> and has a kind of nice grainy effect that people find works great 
for 
> certain images. The epson driver allows you to chose the "black 
only" 
> option, which shuts off all the colored inks. On the c86, it works 
> badly, nothing like the 1280, at least with the mac driver.
> On May 22, 2005, at 11:01 AM, mbrouphy wrote:
> 
> > Doug,
> >  The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul Roark's 
website,
> >  and other information available through the group seems to 
indicate
> >  that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest thing since
> >  sliced bread.  I'd be interested to see what the general 
opinions are
> >  around the group on this.  I originally wanted to use an older 
Photo
> >  EX on a Win98 system for this; but, have had no feedback to my
> >  request for info and experience with this printer for BO 
printing.
> >  Thanks,
> >  Mike
> >
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas 
meeuwsen
> >  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> >  > last week we were discussing how BO does not really work the
> >  > c86......at least not on a mac. Have you actually done BO with 
your
> >  > c86? I tried it and it was bad....Doug M
> >  > On May 22, 2005, at 9:45 AM, mbrouphy wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > YUK!  Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer 
service. If
> >  > >  that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like 
ugly
> >  on an
> >  > >  ape! And, rightfully so.  I guess I'm glad I'm starting out 
with
> >  > >  converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this
> >  road.  It
> >  > >  will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
> >  > >  an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
> >  > >  Thanks for the feedback, Mike
> >  > >
> >  > >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie 
puckett
> >  > >  <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> >  > >  > Hello all,
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has 
encountered
> >  with
> >  > >  MIS
> >  > >  > UT-7 inks?
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-
05.
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink 
leakage,
> >  and a
> >  > >  > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what 
purpose, I
> >  > >  don't
> >  > >  > know. ;)
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was 
printed
> >  > >  second,
> >  > >  > bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to 
the
> >  > >  cartridges
> >  > >  > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when 
the
> >  > >  leaking
> >  > >  > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on 
first
> >  > >  install
> >  > >  > when I first began to purge the system by printing on 
scrap
> >  paper,
> >  > >  and
> >  > >  > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when 
the
> >  top-
> >  > >  most
> >  > >  > print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
> >  > >  > [large files for clarity]
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > sigh,
> >  > >  > -Joie Puckett
> >  > >
> >  > >
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Joie,
Thanks for the reply. When you do get those posted would you take 
some time to verbally describe your impressions of the differences. 
It's hard to tell at low res jpg how any subtleties actually look.
Thanks, Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett 
<jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> I am not happy with the tonal range of the prints but that is not 
> anything I would blame on the inks.  I am under deadline to produce 
> prints for a client, and don't have time to play/experiment with 
the new 
> inks.  This is why I pulled them out last night and went back to 
epson 
> inks [so I could actually be /productive/.]  To their credit, the 
inks 
> came out cleanly, and the epsons re-installed cleanly and quickly.
> 
> I absolutely plan on coming back to the MIS inks because the prints 
> produced were exactly what I wanted in terms of no color shift 
> [metasmerism], etc.. The only problem I still have to overcome is 
the 
> mid range values were extremely flat.  I will post comparison 
images 
> [between the epson and the mis inks] in a similar manner to the 
leaking 
> images today.
> 
> -Joie
> 
> 
> 
> mbrouphy wrote:
> 
> > Joie,
> > Your prints looked totally uneffected by the problem and only the
> > front and back ends got trashed.  From what I could see on you
> > evidence pix the printed portraits look real nice and can only
> > imagine that you are pleased with the tonal quality, gradations,
> > contrast, etc.  Can you please expound on that? There seems to be
> > some question on the suitability of the c86, which I would be 
using,
> > and MIS for BO printing.
> >
> > But, it's a shame that this is a problem which has been going on 
for
> > some time with this system, though. Hopefully, my concerns will be
> > put aside in the future.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
> > <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > The inks were installed on saturday morning and removed saturday
> > night. 
> > > I will contact them Monday to see what they say.  The only real
> > issue
> > > with the ink getting on the printer is related to the rollers. 
> > Luckily,
> > > the ink leaked only onto the paper, and being wet when rolled 
out,
> > found
> > > itself on the rollers.
> > >
> > > -Joie
> > >
> > >
> > > mbrouphy wrote:
> > >
> > > > YUK!  Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer 
service. If
> > > > that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like 
ugly on
> > an
> > > > ape! And, rightfully so.  I guess I'm glad I'm starting out 
with
> > > > converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this 
road. 

> > It
> > > > will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
> > > > an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
> > > > Thanks for the feedback, Mike
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh great, I just ordered a complete set of MIS UT-7 cartridges last 
Thursday for my 2200. Is this ink leakage a common problem? Will MIS 
reimburse you for the wasted paper? For the past 2 months I've been 
reading on this forum about how wonderful these inks are. Are there 
any other negatives I should know about them? I just hate surprises.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett 
<jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered with 
MIS 
> UT-7 inks?
> 
> 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> 
> Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage, and a 
> second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I 
don't 
> know. ;)
> 
> Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed 
second, 
> bottom print was last.  Nothing was changed in regard to the 
cartridges 
> between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the 
leaking 
> started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first 
install 
> when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap paper, 
and 
> by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the top-
most 

> print had no spillage.]  But, then it started up again.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
> [large files for clarity]
> 
> any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> 
> sigh,
> -Joie Puckett

Mike,

Yes, the Photo EX is a good old workhorse (I think I've still got one 
kicking around here) -- but the operative term is "old". It's a 
bit "long of tooth" when it comes to the rapidly evolving area of 
digital B&W printing...

Black only is really designed for the newer printers like the 2200 or 
the 1280 and takes advantage of their advanced printhead technology.
The same holds true for most of the current B&W printing techniques --
that is, they offer greater support for the newer printers and very
limited support for older models like the Photo EX.

Given the low cost of entry to pick up a good new or used current
model Epson, it would be worth your while to consider doing that. The 
most compelling reason for that suggestion is the tremendous amount 
of support (ink choices, profiles, curves, RIPs, etc.) that are
available for them and lacking for the Photo EX.

If you're serious about wanting to explore digital B&W, it would be 
much easier to be working with the printers and inksets that you see 
discussed on this (and similar) forums. Otherwise, you will be having 
to do a lot of unnecessary experimentation on your own, and that's
time better spent making prints on a well-supported platform ;>)

No need to throw away the trusty Photo EX, though -- there's always 
other tasks you can dedicate it to...

Hope this is helpful.

Richard 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mbrouphy" 
<mbrouphy@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas
meeuwsen 
> <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> Doug,
> Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from reading quite a bit of
info 
> on the group about the c86 and Eboni.  However, if the full EZ
system 
> works well, then I can go with that.  My first choice would have
been 
> to work out black only printing on a Photo EX.  It's a great
printer 

> and I'd hate to see it hit the rubbish pile! Any experience or 
> knowledge on this one, Doug.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike

Richard,
Thanks for the discouraging words...<LOL> It's just I hate to throw 
out equipment especially if there's still life in them there bones.

So, I guess I could use it for small prints that are non-archival 
color prints that are destined to be less expensive alternatives to 
the archival rag color prints I do.  There is the possibility of 
using the MIS Quad inksets they have available for the EX.

Any thoughts? I appreciate your assistance...Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
<richardh@j...> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> Yes, the Photo EX is a good old workhorse (I think I've still got 
one 
> kicking around here) -- but the operative term is "old". It's a 
> bit "long of tooth" when it comes to the rapidly evolving area of 
> digital B&W printing...
> 
> Black only is really designed for the newer printers like the 2200 
or 
> the 1280 and takes advantage of their advanced printhead technology.
> The same holds true for most of the current B&W printing 
techniques --
> that is, they offer greater support for the newer printers and very
> limited support for older models like the Photo EX.
> 
> Given the low cost of entry to pick up a good new or used current
> model Epson, it would be worth your while to consider doing that. 
The 
> most compelling reason for that suggestion is the tremendous amount 
> of support (ink choices, profiles, curves, RIPs, etc.) that are
> available for them and lacking for the Photo EX.
> 
> If you're serious about wanting to explore digital B&W, it would be 
> much easier to be working with the printers and inksets that you 
see 
> discussed on this (and similar) forums. Otherwise, you will be 
having 

> to do a lot of unnecessary experimentation on your own, and that's
> time better spent making prints on a well-supported platform ;>)
> 
> No need to throw away the trusty Photo EX, though -- there's always 
> other tasks you can dedicate it to...
> 
> Hope this is helpful.
> 
> Richard 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mbrouphy" 
> <mbrouphy@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas
> meeuwsen 
> > <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> > Doug,
> > Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from reading quite a bit of
> info 
> > on the group about the c86 and Eboni.  However, if the full EZ
> system 
> > works well, then I can go with that.  My first choice would have
> been 
> > to work out black only printing on a Photo EX.  It's a great
> printer 
> > and I'd hate to see it hit the rubbish pile! Any experience or 
> > knowledge on this one, Doug.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Mike

Hi Mike,

I know you said "discouraging words" in jest, but I really want to 
emphasize that my suggestions were sincerely encouraging you to move 
in a direction that wouldn't leave you discouraged with digital B&W 
printing due to lack of support for the Photo EX ;>)

That said, there are lots of people printing on older equipment, I'm 
sure -- so it just depends on how much energy you want to invest on 
your own in getting a relatively unsupported printer working and 
producing prints that meet your expectations.

The difference in the level of response you'll receive when posting a 
question on the forum about a problem you're having getting good 
results with an Epson 1280 (just as an example) versus an Epson Photo 
EX is likely to be substantial -- only because so few people 
currently have experience doing quad printing with the Photo EX.

Combine that with the fact that there are very few published curves, 
profiles or RIPs (like QTR or IJC/OPM) that support that printer 
along with available inkset limitations (Paul could better respond to 
this, but I'm not sure the latest MIS inks and curves are even being 
produced for the Photo EX) -- anyway, it just seems like an 
invitation to getting frustrated and discouraged in itself ;>)

Since you're not already invested in a quad system for the Photo EX, 
it would be a better path to put that money into supplies (carts or 
inks and a CIS) for a current model. In the end, unless you're buying 
into the Epson Pro Line printers, we spend much more on inks and 
media than that one-time "bite" of purchasing the printer itself. 

You can get completely set up with a C86 and MIS inks for about a 
hundred dollars -- or if you are comfortable going onto eBay to make 
a purchase, you can pick up a larger printer at very reasonable cost.
Then you have all the generous resources of Paul's curves, MIS 
support as well as all the other fine people of this forum who will 
be using the same printer and inksets and can help you through the 
initial learning curve of getting good digital B&W output. Make sense?

Of course, once you're able to produce prints that you like and 
you're feeling confident with how to fine-tune the workflow, you can 
always go back and play with the Photo EX -- or, you can use it as 
you suggested for color work, text output or printing documents, 
correspondence and such. No need to toss it ;>)

Anyway, that's my two cents and probably more than you asked for. 
BTW, since you mentioned you do "archival rag color prints" already, 
are you using an Epson Ultrachrome printer for that? If so, take a 
look at QTR -- it does a very nice job with digital B&W output for 
less than the cost of a set of quad inks for any Epson printer...

Cheers!
Richard

 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mbrouphy" 
<mbrouphy@y...> wrote:
> Richard,
> Thanks for the discouraging words...<LOL> It's just I hate to throw 
> out equipment especially if there's still life in them there bones.
> 
> So, I guess I could use it for small prints that are non-archival 
> color prints that are destined to be less expensive alternatives to 
> the archival rag color prints I do.  There is the possibility of 
> using the MIS Quad inksets they have available for the EX.
> 
> Any thoughts? I appreciate your assistance...Mike
> 
> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
> <richardh@j...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> > 
> > Yes, the Photo EX is a good old workhorse (I think I've still got 
> one 
> > kicking around here) -- but the operative term is "old". It's a 
> > bit "long of tooth" when it comes to the rapidly evolving area of 
> > digital B&W printing...
> > 
> > Black only is really designed for the newer printers like the 
2200 
> or 
> > the 1280 and takes advantage of their advanced printhead 
technology.
> > The same holds true for most of the current B&W printing 
> techniques --
> > that is, they offer greater support for the newer printers and 
very
> > limited support for older models like the Photo EX.
> > 
> > Given the low cost of entry to pick up a good new or used current
> > model Epson, it would be worth your while to consider doing that. 
> The 
> > most compelling reason for that suggestion is the tremendous 
amount 
> > of support (ink choices, profiles, curves, RIPs, etc.) that are
> > available for them and lacking for the Photo EX.
> > 
> > If you're serious about wanting to explore digital B&W, it would 
be 
> > much easier to be working with the printers and inksets that you 
> see 
> > discussed on this (and similar) forums. Otherwise, you will be 
> having 
> > to do a lot of unnecessary experimentation on your own, and that's
> > time better spent making prints on a well-supported platform ;>)
> > 
> > No need to throw away the trusty Photo EX, though -- there's 
always 

> > other tasks you can dedicate it to...
> > 
> > Hope this is helpful.
> > 
> > Richard 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mbrouphy" 
> > <mbrouphy@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas
> > meeuwsen 
> > > <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> > > Doug,
> > > Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from reading quite a bit of
> > info 
> > > on the group about the c86 and Eboni.  However, if the full EZ
> > system 
> > > works well, then I can go with that.  My first choice would have
> > been 
> > > to work out black only printing on a Photo EX.  It's a great
> > printer 
> > > and I'd hate to see it hit the rubbish pile! Any experience or 
> > > knowledge on this one, Doug.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mike

I'll check into QTR and other similar, too. Once we replace the 2200 
with a 2400 or 4000 or newer.  I will be using a c86 with the MIS ez 
inkset it looks like to do a new line of notecards and small archival 
prints of infrared images on EAM and Polar Matte from Red River 
running off my laptop.  Any larger prints will be off the 2200.

Thanks for all you help.  I appreciate it.  Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
<richardh@j...> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I know you said "discouraging words" in jest, but I really want to 
> emphasize that my suggestions were sincerely encouraging you to 
move 
> in a direction that wouldn't leave you discouraged with digital B&W 
> printing due to lack of support for the Photo EX ;>)
> 
> That said, there are lots of people printing on older equipment, 
I'm 
> sure -- so it just depends on how much energy you want to invest on 
> your own in getting a relatively unsupported printer working and 
> producing prints that meet your expectations.
> 
> The difference in the level of response you'll receive when posting 
a 
> question on the forum about a problem you're having getting good 
> results with an Epson 1280 (just as an example) versus an Epson 
Photo 
> EX is likely to be substantial -- only because so few people 
> currently have experience doing quad printing with the Photo EX.
> 
> Combine that with the fact that there are very few published 
curves, 
> profiles or RIPs (like QTR or IJC/OPM) that support that printer 
> along with available inkset limitations (Paul could better respond 
to 
> this, but I'm not sure the latest MIS inks and curves are even 
being 
> produced for the Photo EX) -- anyway, it just seems like an 
> invitation to getting frustrated and discouraged in itself ;>)
> 
> Since you're not already invested in a quad system for the Photo 
EX, 
> it would be a better path to put that money into supplies (carts or 
> inks and a CIS) for a current model. In the end, unless you're 
buying 
> into the Epson Pro Line printers, we spend much more on inks and 
> media than that one-time "bite" of purchasing the printer itself. 
> 
> You can get completely set up with a C86 and MIS inks for about a 
> hundred dollars -- or if you are comfortable going onto eBay to 
make 
> a purchase, you can pick up a larger printer at very reasonable 
cost.
> Then you have all the generous resources of Paul's curves, MIS 
> support as well as all the other fine people of this forum who will 
> be using the same printer and inksets and can help you through the 
> initial learning curve of getting good digital B&W output. Make 
sense?
> 
> Of course, once you're able to produce prints that you like and 
> you're feeling confident with how to fine-tune the workflow, you 
can 
> always go back and play with the Photo EX -- or, you can use it as 
> you suggested for color work, text output or printing documents, 
> correspondence and such. No need to toss it ;>)
> 
> Anyway, that's my two cents and probably more than you asked for. 
> BTW, since you mentioned you do "archival rag color prints" 
already, 
> are you using an Epson Ultrachrome printer for that? If so, take a 
> look at QTR -- it does a very nice job with digital B&W output for 
> less than the cost of a set of quad inks for any Epson printer...
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mbrouphy" 
> <mbrouphy@y...> wrote:
> > Richard,
> > Thanks for the discouraging words...<LOL> It's just I hate to 
throw 
> > out equipment especially if there's still life in them there 
bones.
> > 
> > So, I guess I could use it for small prints that are non-archival 
> > color prints that are destined to be less expensive alternatives 
to 
> > the archival rag color prints I do.  There is the possibility of 
> > using the MIS Quad inksets they have available for the EX.
> > 
> > Any thoughts? I appreciate your assistance...Mike
> > 
> > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
> > <richardh@j...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > > 
> > > Yes, the Photo EX is a good old workhorse (I think I've still 
got 
> > one 
> > > kicking around here) -- but the operative term is "old". It's a 
> > > bit "long of tooth" when it comes to the rapidly evolving area 
of 
> > > digital B&W printing...
> > > 
> > > Black only is really designed for the newer printers like the 
> 2200 
> > or 
> > > the 1280 and takes advantage of their advanced printhead 
> technology.
> > > The same holds true for most of the current B&W printing 
> > techniques --
> > > that is, they offer greater support for the newer printers and 
> very
> > > limited support for older models like the Photo EX.
> > > 
> > > Given the low cost of entry to pick up a good new or used 
current
> > > model Epson, it would be worth your while to consider doing 
that. 
> > The 
> > > most compelling reason for that suggestion is the tremendous 
> amount 
> > > of support (ink choices, profiles, curves, RIPs, etc.) that are
> > > available for them and lacking for the Photo EX.
> > > 
> > > If you're serious about wanting to explore digital B&W, it 
would 
> be 
> > > much easier to be working with the printers and inksets that 
you 
> > see 
> > > discussed on this (and similar) forums. Otherwise, you will be 
> > having 
> > > to do a lot of unnecessary experimentation on your own, and 
that's
> > > time better spent making prints on a well-supported platform ;>)
> > > 
> > > No need to throw away the trusty Photo EX, though -- there's 
> always 
> > > other tasks you can dedicate it to...
> > > 
> > > Hope this is helpful.
> > > 
> > > Richard 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mbrouphy" 
> > > <mbrouphy@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas
> > > meeuwsen 
> > > > <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> > > > Doug,
> > > > Hmmm...I didn't get that impression from reading quite a bit 
of
> > > info 
> > > > on the group about the c86 and Eboni.  However, if the full EZ
> > > system 
> > > > works well, then I can go with that.  My first choice would 
have
> > > been 
> > > > to work out black only printing on a Photo EX.  It's a great
> > > printer 
> > > > and I'd hate to see it hit the rubbish pile! Any experience 
or 

> > > > knowledge on this one, Doug.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mike

Mike,

> The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul Roark's website,
> and other information available through the group seems to indicate
> that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest thing since
> sliced bread.  I'd be interested to see what the general opinions are ...

I think the C86 with MIS EZ inks is the best value there is in B&W printing
(8x10 max size).  However, I don't think the average C86 is capable of what
I'd consider good "black only" printing.

The 1280 and 2200 (and 4000, etc.) are capable to good BO printing, but the
only ink I've found I like for BO is MIS's Neutral Photo Black (what I refer
to as PKN) on a paper like Kirkland Pro Glossy.

Eboni used in BO arrangement is very archival, and some like the tone and
texture of the prints, but that is just not my style.

I have not used many of the older printers, but my 1160 was not up to the
job, in my opinion.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks Richard.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> richard_h95050
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:50 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 7600 -- Switching black inks -- Paul: About
> Digital Outback
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> 
> > That Outback group has an amazing amount of useful information.  Do
> you know who or what they are?
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Digital Outback Photo is run by Uwe Steinmueller and his wife
> Bettina. They live in the SF Bay area near San Jose (just North of
> you) and have been very active in promoting digital photography,
> printing and workflow since the "early days".
> 
> Uwe has been an energetic advocate for digital through his Website
> and participation in many forums and workshops. Over the years, his
> Website has grown to contain a great deal of valuable information (as
> you mentioned) and is also a platform for marketing a number of
> products including his own e-books, actions, workshops, etc.
> 
> You can get a quick bio of Uwe and Bettina at the bottom of
> the "Editorial Team" page here:
> 
> http://www.outbackphoto.com/about/editorialteam.html
> 
> Just some general info since you were curious...
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> > The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul Roark's 
website,
> > and other information available through the group seems to 
indicate
> > that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest thing since
> > sliced bread.  I'd be interested to see what the general opinions 
are ...
> 
> I think the C86 with MIS EZ inks is the best value there is in B&W 
printing
> (8x10 max size).  However, I don't think the average C86 is capable 
of what
> I'd consider good "black only" printing.
> 
> The 1280 and 2200 (and 4000, etc.) are capable to good BO printing, 
but the
> only ink I've found I like for BO is MIS's Neutral Photo Black 
(what I refer
> to as PKN) on a paper like Kirkland Pro Glossy.
> 
> Eboni used in BO arrangement is very archival, and some like the 
tone and
> texture of the prints, but that is just not my style.
> 
> I have not used many of the older printers, but my 1160 was not up 
to the
> job, in my opinion.  
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

I've done BO with a 1520, and it is not up to the challenge. With 
good ink, something like the 9500 is decent, but still looks best on 
papers that have a little ink spread (dot gain), and materials like 
canvas that help hide the dots.

Paul Roark wrote:
> Eboni used in BO arrangement is very archival, and some like the
> tone and texture of the prints, but that is just not my style.
>
> I have not used many of the older printers, but my 1160 was not up
> to the job, in my opinion.

I have 1160 printers now, and previously had a Photo EX. I have tried BO
printing with both printers.

I found the EX made lousy BO prints; from the 1160 the BO prints were
significantly better (though still poor compared with using quadtone inks in the
same printer).

Peter Marquis-Kyle
www.marquis-kyle.com.au

Um, I think the message is that the C86 and the four MIS replacement
inks for quadtone printing is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not BO.

Scott

mbrouphy wrote:

> Doug,
> The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul Roark's website,
> and other information available through the group seems to indicate
> that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest thing since
> sliced bread. I'd be interested to see what the general opinions are
> around the group on this. I originally wanted to use an older Photo
> EX on a Win98 system for this; but, have had no feedback to my
> request for info and experience with this printer for BO printing.
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen
> <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> > last week we were discussing how BO does not really work the
> > c86......at least not on a mac. Have you actually done BO with your
> > c86? I tried it and it was bad....Doug M
> > On May 22, 2005, at 9:45 AM, mbrouphy wrote:
> >
> > > YUK! Have you had any satisfaction from MIS customer service. If
> > > that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all over me like ugly
> on an
> > > ape! And, rightfully so. I guess I'm glad I'm starting out with
> > > converting a c86 to BO first before I go further down this
> road. It
> > > will be interesting to see how this resolves out. MIS has
> > > an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease it.
> > > Thanks for the feedback, Mike
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie puckett
> > > <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else has encountered
> with
> > > MIS
> > > > UT-7 inks?
> > > >
> > > > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh today, 05-21-05.
> > > >
> > > > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints with ink leakage,
> and a
> > > > second image of the cartridges themselves--for what purpose, I
> > > don't
> > > > know. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Top-most print was printed first, middle printout was printed
> > > second,
> > > > bottom print was last. Nothing was changed in regard to the
> > > cartridges
> > > > between the top-most and later prints in the photo, when the
> > > leaking
> > > > started up again [I say "again" because I had leaking on first
> > > install
> > > > when I first began to purge the system by printing on scrap
> paper,
> > > and
> > > > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had fixed it when the
> top-
> > > most
> > > > print had no spillage.] But, then it started up again.
> > > >
> > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/ 
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ejopuck3/MIS/>
> > > > [large files for clarity]
> > > >
> > > > any shared experiences, work-arounds, fixes...?
> > > >
> > > > sigh,
> > > > -Joie Puckett
> > >
> > >
> > >
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With the C84, which I believe is basically the same as the C86 
except for a different case, I get banding when printing BO with 
Eboni.  Banding is not an issue when using the whole EZ inkset.
Randy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> > The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul Roark's 
website,
> > and other information available through the group seems to 
indicate
> > that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest thing since
> > sliced bread.  I'd be interested to see what the general 
opinions are ...
> 
> I think the C86 with MIS EZ inks is the best value there is in B&W 
printing
> (8x10 max size).  However, I don't think the average C86 is 
capable of what
> I'd consider good "black only" printing.
> 
> The 1280 and 2200 (and 4000, etc.) are capable to good BO 
printing, but the
> only ink I've found I like for BO is MIS's Neutral Photo Black 
(what I refer
> to as PKN) on a paper like Kirkland Pro Glossy.
> 
> Eboni used in BO arrangement is very archival, and some like the 
tone and
> texture of the prints, but that is just not my style.
> 
> I have not used many of the older printers, but my 1160 was not up 
to the

> job, in my opinion.  
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

I had that on one of the outlets on my 1280 MIS spongless carts. It was 
leaking like crazy. basically the valve was sort of stuck open, because 
when I used the bottom fill adaptor to get the ink to output, the tip 
of the syringe got stuck in the rubber grommet and moved it a little 
bit to the side. I fixed it by wiggling the syringe/bottom-fill-adaptor 
tip inside the hole until it stopped leaking. Keep in mind that while I 
was doing that, the ink was just dripping out of the hole, all over my 
hands and the table/floor/pathway-to -the-sink. It was obvious when it 
was fixed, because the flood shut off suddenly. When I refilled the 
cart last week I was more careful about pushing the tip into the hole, 
and all was fine. I think the tip of the adaptor is too small and gets 
the rubber grommets out of whack. I think I will modifly the the tip 
and try to see if I can get a better design. Basically I plan to sand 
down the tip until it is exactly the best diameter for the hole. I will 
keep you posted. ....Doug M

I too get banding with BO on my C84. It is wonderful with the EZ complete  
set.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have used an Epson 1200 with the Eboni ink for BO
printing and was very pleased with the results. Since
the EX prints at the same resolution as the 1200 it
should do well too, it just won't be able to make
quite as large a print due to its 12" max paper width.

Mike

--- mbrouphy <mbrouphy@...> wrote:

> Doug,
> The reading I've done here on this grouplist, Paul
> Roark's website, 
> and other information available through the group
> seems to indicate 
> that the c86 and MIS for BO printing is the greatest
> thing since 
> sliced bread.  I'd be interested to see what the
> general opinions are 
> around the group on this.  I originally wanted to
> use an older Photo 
> EX on a Win98 system for this; but, have had no
> feedback to my 
> request for info and experience with this printer
> for BO printing.
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> Douglas meeuwsen 
> <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> > last week we were discussing how BO does not
> really work the 
> > c86......at least not on a mac. Have you actually
> done BO with your 
> > c86? I tried it and it was bad....Doug M
> > On May 22, 2005, at 9:45 AM, mbrouphy wrote:
> > 
> > > YUK!\ufffd Have you had any satisfaction from MIS
> customer service. If
> > >  that happened to my wife's 2200 she'd be all
> over me like ugly 
> on an
> > >  ape! And, rightfully so.\ufffd I guess I'm glad I'm
> starting out with
> > >  converting a c86 to BO first before I go
> further down this 
> road.\ufffd It
> > >  will be interesting to see how this resolves
> out. MIS has
> > >  an 'opportunity' here and hopefully will cease
> it.
> > >  Thanks for the feedback, Mike
> > >
> > >  --- In
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, joie
> puckett
> > >  <jopuck3@e...> wrote:
> > >  > Hello all,
> > >  >
> > >  > Is excessive leaking a situation anyone else
> has encountered 
> with
> > >  MIS
> > >  > UT-7 inks?
> > >  >
> > >  > 2200 Epson, ink opened and installed fresh
> today, 05-21-05.
> > >  >
> > >  > Link below has 2 photos: one of the prints
> with ink leakage, 
> and a
> > >  > second image of the cartridges
> themselves--for what purpose, I
> > >  don't
> > >  > know. ;)
> > >  >
> > >  > Top-most print was printed first, middle
> printout was printed
> > >  second,
> > >  > bottom print was last.\ufffd Nothing was changed
> in regard to the
> > >  cartridges
> > >  > between the top-most and later prints in the
> photo, when the
> > >  leaking
> > >  > started up again [I say "again" because I had
> leaking on first
> > >  install
> > >  > when I first began to purge the system by
> printing on scrap 
> paper,
> > >  and
> > >  > by refitting the cartridges, thought I had
> fixed it when the 
> top-
> > >  most
> > >  > print had no spillage.]\ufffd But, then it started
> up again.
> > >  >
> > >  > http://home.earthlink.net/~jopuck3/MIS/
> > >  > [large files for clarity]
> > >  >
> > >  > any shared experiences, work-arounds,
> fixes...?
> > >  >
> > >  > sigh,
> > >  > -Joie Puckett
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the
> Files, and other 
> > > resources as they are often being updated.
> > >
> > >
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