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Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-12 by p3guru32371

As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks from 
MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).

Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using CS2.  I 
know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc profiles 
for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
plan to start there.

I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide written 
by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  

eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, that 
likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize myself in 
QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for a 
custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed that 
do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.

So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board know of 
someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does anyone 
on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me when i 
make a decision on the papers i would like to use?

Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and get 
through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it all 
worked out on this thread.

As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that i 
use.
Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files

Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert to 
b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make, Highpass 
Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.

Thanks again.
Cory

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-12 by Philip Schwartz

Using QTR is only one of the possible workflows using an R220 with
UT-R2. Check out Paul's web site for a detailed description of all the
options available with your printer/ink combination:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/R220_R2_Readme.pdf


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks from 
> MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> 
> Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using CS2.  I 
> know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc profiles 
> for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
> plan to start there.
> 
> I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide written 
> by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  
> 
> eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, that 
> likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
> through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize myself in 
> QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for a 
> custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed that 
> do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> 
> So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board know of 
> someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does anyone 
> on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me when i 
> make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and get 
> through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it all 
> worked out on this thread.
> 
> As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that i 
> use.
> Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
> Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> 
> Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert to 
> b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make, Highpass 
> Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Cory
>

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-12 by p3guru32371

I have read that document several times and it was part of what 
motivated me to make the purchase i did.

My preferance is to use an icc profile.  Color management just makes 
sense to me.  I spend a great deal of time in Photoshop trying and 
tweaking things on a profiled monitor, and am very comfortable with 
using adjustment layers to get the results i want.

So my personal viewpoint, is that i would rather make a hard proof 
from photoshop with an icc profile, and go back into photoshop to 
make the tweak instead of having to tweak the print driver to get the 
results.

maybe thats the wrong approach for some, but to me it seems like it 
makes sense and would be the most repeatable.  (assuming that b+w icc 
profiles actually do work).

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Philip 
Schwartz" <Philip.Schwartz@...> wrote:
>
> Using QTR is only one of the possible workflows using an R220 with
> UT-R2. Check out Paul's web site for a detailed description of all 
the
> options available with your printer/ink combination:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/R220_R2_Readme.pdf
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> >
> > As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> > R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks 
from 
> > MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> > 
> > Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> > evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using 
CS2.  I 
> > know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc 
profiles 
> > for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
> > plan to start there.
> > 
> > I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide 
written 
> > by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> > linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  
> > 
> > eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, 
that 
> > likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
> > through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize myself 
in 
> > QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for 
a 
> > custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed 
that 
> > do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> > 
> > So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board know 
of 
> > someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does 
anyone 
> > on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me 
when i 
> > make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and 
get 
> > through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it 
all 
> > worked out on this thread.
> > 
> > As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that 
i 
> > use.
> > Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
> > Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> > Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> > 
> > Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert 
to 
> > b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make, 
Highpass 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > Cory
> >
>

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-17 by p3guru32371

Well, I am having problems.  I installed the carts properly, ensuring
that they all 'clicked' and that they were in the correct position. 
However, the printer is telling me... 

"ink carts cannot be recognized or are installed incorrectly"

i have pulled them all out, an put them back in at least 10 times, all
to no avail.

i cannot recall, but i think i remember reading somewhere that
occasionally chips go bad, and need to be replaced, at a cost of $2
each.  

Short of the hassle of re-chipping all 6 carts, are there any other
suggestions anyone could offer?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks from 
> MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> 
> Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using CS2.  I 
> know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc profiles 
> for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
> plan to start there.
> 
> I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide written 
> by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  
> 
> eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, that 
> likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
> through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize myself in 
> QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for a 
> custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed that 
> do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> 
> So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board know of 
> someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does anyone 
> on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me when i 
> make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and get 
> through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it all 
> worked out on this thread.
> 
> As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that i 
> use.
> Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
> Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> 
> Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert to 
> b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make, Highpass 
> Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Cory
>

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-17 by Philip Schwartz

Here are a couple of things that have sometimes worked for me:
- Assuming you have a chip resetter, reset all the offending chips.
- Sometime the tabs that mount the chips to the cartridges extend
  slightly above the face of a chip and prevent good contact. Use
  an Xacto knife to trim the tabs flush with the face of the chip.
- Don't forget you can always "borrow" the chips from the color
  carts that shipped with the Epson

Chips do go bad -- or get destroyed by the printer -- I lost two in
one day last week. The only defense is to always have spares on hand.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Well, I am having problems.  I installed the carts properly, ensuring
> that they all 'clicked' and that they were in the correct position. 
> However, the printer is telling me... 
> 
> "ink carts cannot be recognized or are installed incorrectly"
> 
> i have pulled them all out, an put them back in at least 10 times, all
> to no avail.
> 
> i cannot recall, but i think i remember reading somewhere that
> occasionally chips go bad, and need to be replaced, at a cost of $2
> each.  
> 
> Short of the hassle of re-chipping all 6 carts, are there any other
> suggestions anyone could offer?
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> >
> > As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> > R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks from 
> > MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> > 
> > Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> > evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using CS2.  I 
> > know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc profiles 
> > for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
> > plan to start there.
> > 
> > I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide written 
> > by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> > linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  
> > 
> > eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, that 
> > likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
> > through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize myself in 
> > QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for a 
> > custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed that 
> > do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> > 
> > So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board know of 
> > someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does anyone 
> > on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me when i 
> > make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and get 
> > through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it all 
> > worked out on this thread.
> > 
> > As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that i 
> > use.
> > Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
> > Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> > Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> > 
> > Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert to 
> > b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make, Highpass 
> > Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > Cory
> >
>

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-17 by p3guru32371

i do not have a chip resetter....yet.  which one do you have?  it
looks like there are lots of them on the internet, with a wide variety
of prices.

do the chips just 'glue' on?  does each unique color position require
its own specific chip?

in the mean time, i will take a look at the tabs.

thanks for the info

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Schwartz"
<Philip.Schwartz@...> wrote:
>
> Here are a couple of things that have sometimes worked for me:
> - Assuming you have a chip resetter, reset all the offending chips.
> - Sometime the tabs that mount the chips to the cartridges extend
>   slightly above the face of a chip and prevent good contact. Use
>   an Xacto knife to trim the tabs flush with the face of the chip.
> - Don't forget you can always "borrow" the chips from the color
>   carts that shipped with the Epson
> 
> Chips do go bad -- or get destroyed by the printer -- I lost two in
> one day last week. The only defense is to always have spares on hand.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I am having problems.  I installed the carts properly, ensuring
> > that they all 'clicked' and that they were in the correct position. 
> > However, the printer is telling me... 
> > 
> > "ink carts cannot be recognized or are installed incorrectly"
> > 
> > i have pulled them all out, an put them back in at least 10 times, all
> > to no avail.
> > 
> > i cannot recall, but i think i remember reading somewhere that
> > occasionally chips go bad, and need to be replaced, at a cost of $2
> > each.  
> > 
> > Short of the hassle of re-chipping all 6 carts, are there any other
> > suggestions anyone could offer?
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> > <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> > >
> > > As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> > > R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks
from 
> > > MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> > > 
> > > Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> > > evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using
CS2.  I 
> > > know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc profiles 
> > > for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
> > > plan to start there.
> > > 
> > > I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide
written 
> > > by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> > > linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  
> > > 
> > > eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, that 
> > > likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
> > > through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize
myself in 
> > > QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for a 
> > > custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed that 
> > > do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> > > 
> > > So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board
know of 
> > > someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does
anyone 
> > > on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me
when i 
> > > make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and get 
> > > through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it
all 
> > > worked out on this thread.
> > > 
> > > As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that i 
> > > use.
> > > Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
> > > Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> > > Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> > > 
> > > Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert to 
> > > b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make,
Highpass 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> > > 
> > > Thanks again.
> > > Cory
> > >
> >
>

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-17 by Philip Schwartz

I get ink, spongeless carts, chips, and resetter from MIS. The
resetter is nothing fancy but it works. I've used my for a few years 
on 4-5 different Epson models with no problems. The chips fit over
small tabs on the back of the cart. It looks to me like Epson uses
something like a dab of silicone to hold the chips in place. I think
MIS uses something like UHU tac, or some other adhesive putty, so
removing/reinstalling chips is easy. The chips are specific to a
particular printer model and color slot, so you cannot put a yellow
chip in a magenta slot, or a C86 cart in an R200, even though the
carts themselves are identical.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
>
> i do not have a chip resetter....yet.  which one do you have?  it
> looks like there are lots of them on the internet, with a wide variety
> of prices.
> 
> do the chips just 'glue' on?  does each unique color position require
> its own specific chip?
> 
> in the mean time, i will take a look at the tabs.
> 
> thanks for the info
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Schwartz"
> <Philip.Schwartz@> wrote:
> >
> > Here are a couple of things that have sometimes worked for me:
> > - Assuming you have a chip resetter, reset all the offending chips.
> > - Sometime the tabs that mount the chips to the cartridges extend
> >   slightly above the face of a chip and prevent good contact. Use
> >   an Xacto knife to trim the tabs flush with the face of the chip.
> > - Don't forget you can always "borrow" the chips from the color
> >   carts that shipped with the Epson
> > 
> > Chips do go bad -- or get destroyed by the printer -- I lost two in
> > one day last week. The only defense is to always have spares on hand.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> > <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I am having problems.  I installed the carts properly,
ensuring
> > > that they all 'clicked' and that they were in the correct position. 
> > > However, the printer is telling me... 
> > > 
> > > "ink carts cannot be recognized or are installed incorrectly"
> > > 
> > > i have pulled them all out, an put them back in at least 10
times, all
> > > to no avail.
> > > 
> > > i cannot recall, but i think i remember reading somewhere that
> > > occasionally chips go bad, and need to be replaced, at a cost of $2
> > > each.  
> > > 
> > > Short of the hassle of re-chipping all 6 carts, are there any other
> > > suggestions anyone could offer?
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> > > <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> > > > R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks
> from 
> > > > MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> > > > 
> > > > Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> > > > evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using
> CS2.  I 
> > > > know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc
profiles 
> > > > for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
> > > > plan to start there.
> > > > 
> > > > I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide
> written 
> > > > by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> > > > linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  
> > > > 
> > > > eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper,
that 
> > > > likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
> > > > through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize
> myself in 
> > > > QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50
for a 
> > > > custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed
that 
> > > > do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> > > > 
> > > > So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board
> know of 
> > > > someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does
> anyone 
> > > > on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me
> when i 
> > > > make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and
get 
> > > > through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it
> all 
> > > > worked out on this thread.
> > > > 
> > > > As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow
that i 
> > > > use.
> > > > Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
> > > > Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> > > > Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> > > > 
> > > > Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome
Convert to 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > > b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make,
> Highpass 
> > > > Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > > Cory
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-17 by Tom Baker

The carts actually go between the R220 and R240 without problems.  If they use the same Epson Part #, then it's fine.
   
  TB


Philip Schwartz <Philip.Schwartz@...> wrote:
          I get ink, spongeless carts, chips, and resetter from MIS. The
resetter is nothing fancy but it works. I've used my for a few years 
on 4-5 different Epson models with no problems. The chips fit over
small tabs on the back of the cart. It looks to me like Epson uses
something like a dab of silicone to hold the chips in place. I think
MIS uses something like UHU tac, or some other adhesive putty, so
removing/reinstalling chips is easy. The chips are specific to a
particular printer model and color slot, so you cannot put a yellow
chip in a magenta slot, or a C86 cart in an R200, even though the
carts themselves are identical.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
>
> i do not have a chip resetter....yet. which one do you have? it
> looks like there are lots of them on the internet, with a wide variety
> of prices.
> 
> do the chips just 'glue' on? does each unique color position require
> its own specific chip?
> 
> in the mean time, i will take a look at the tabs.
> 
> thanks for the info
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Schwartz"
> <Philip.Schwartz@> wrote:
> >
> > Here are a couple of things that have sometimes worked for me:
> > - Assuming you have a chip resetter, reset all the offending chips.
> > - Sometime the tabs that mount the chips to the cartridges extend
> > slightly above the face of a chip and prevent good contact. Use
> > an Xacto knife to trim the tabs flush with the face of the chip.
> > - Don't forget you can always "borrow" the chips from the color
> > carts that shipped with the Epson
> > 
> > Chips do go bad -- or get destroyed by the printer -- I lost two in
> > one day last week. The only defense is to always have spares on hand.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> > <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I am having problems. I installed the carts properly,
ensuring
> > > that they all 'clicked' and that they were in the correct position. 
> > > However, the printer is telling me... 
> > > 
> > > "ink carts cannot be recognized or are installed incorrectly"
> > > 
> > > i have pulled them all out, an put them back in at least 10
times, all
> > > to no avail.
> > > 
> > > i cannot recall, but i think i remember reading somewhere that
> > > occasionally chips go bad, and need to be replaced, at a cost of $2
> > > each. 
> > > 
> > > Short of the hassle of re-chipping all 6 carts, are there any other
> > > suggestions anyone could offer?
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> > > <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> > > > R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks
> from 
> > > > MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> > > > 
> > > > Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> > > > evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using
> CS2. I 
> > > > know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc
profiles 
> > > > for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased. i 
> > > > plan to start there.
> > > > 
> > > > I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide
> written 
> > > > by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> > > > linearize before i make any meaningful prints. 
> > > > 
> > > > eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper,
that 
> > > > likely will not have a free profile built. So, instead of going 
> > > > through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize
> myself in 
> > > > QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50
for a 
> > > > custom built .icc profile. However, the people i have emailed
that 
> > > > do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> > > > 
> > > > So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board
> know of 
> > > > someone who makes b+w .icc profiles. Or for that matter, does
> anyone 
> > > > on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me
> when i 
> > > > make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance for any info. After i make a few prints and
get 
> > > > through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it
> all 
> > > > worked out on this thread.
> > > > 
> > > > As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow
that i 
> > > > use.
> > > > Lenses: Autofocus, Prime
> > > > Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> > > > Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> > > > 
> > > > Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome
Convert to 
> > > > b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make,
> Highpass 
> > > > Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks again.
> > > > Cory
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



         


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Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-20 by p3guru32371

This being a new printer, I had not loaded up any of the drivers.  I
figured I would get to it after i had the ink thing worked out.  then
a lightbulb went on above my head saying "you dummy, you could load
the drivers, and it would probably tell you which chip was bad!"  so i
went ahead and did just that, and sure enough, after a few error
messages, i saw that my yellow cartridge was reporting as empty.  so
now i know which one it is.

i went ahead and popped the old chip off just for fun, then re-glued
it hoping that perhaps it was just not making good contact.  it still
didnt work.  so i guess my next step is to buy another chip and a
resetter.

i do have a help desk ticket in with mis.  has anyone had luck getting
them to pony up for a replacement chip?


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Schwartz"
<Philip.Schwartz@...> wrote:
>
> Here are a couple of things that have sometimes worked for me:
> - Assuming you have a chip resetter, reset all the offending chips.
> - Sometime the tabs that mount the chips to the cartridges extend
>   slightly above the face of a chip and prevent good contact. Use
>   an Xacto knife to trim the tabs flush with the face of the chip.
> - Don't forget you can always "borrow" the chips from the color
>   carts that shipped with the Epson
> 
> Chips do go bad -- or get destroyed by the printer -- I lost two in
> one day last week. The only defense is to always have spares on hand.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I am having problems.  I installed the carts properly, ensuring
> > that they all 'clicked' and that they were in the correct position. 
> > However, the printer is telling me... 
> > 
> > "ink carts cannot be recognized or are installed incorrectly"



> > 
> > i have pulled them all out, an put them back in at least 10 times, all
> > to no avail.
> > 
> > i cannot recall, but i think i remember reading somewhere that
> > occasionally chips go bad, and need to be replaced, at a cost of $2
> > each.  
> > 
> > Short of the hassle of re-chipping all 6 carts, are there any other
> > suggestions anyone could offer?
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "p3guru32371"
> > <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> > >
> > > As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> > > R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks
from 
> > > MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> > > 
> > > Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> > > evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using
CS2.  I 
> > > know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc profiles 
> > > for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased.  i 
> > > plan to start there.
> > > 
> > > I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide
written 
> > > by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> > > linearize before i make any meaningful prints.  
> > > 
> > > eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, that 
> > > likely will not have a free profile built.  So, instead of going 
> > > through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize
myself in 
> > > QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for a 
> > > custom built .icc profile.  However, the people i have emailed that 
> > > do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> > > 
> > > So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board
know of 
> > > someone who makes b+w .icc profiles.  Or for that matter, does
anyone 
> > > on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me
when i 
> > > make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance for any info.  After i make a few prints and get 
> > > through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it
all 
> > > worked out on this thread.
> > > 
> > > As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that i 
> > > use.
> > > Lenses:  Autofocus, Prime
> > > Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> > > Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> > > 
> > > Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert to 
> > > b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make,
Highpass 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> > > 
> > > Thanks again.
> > > Cory
> > >
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-20 by Tom Baker

You probably only need to reset it if it says empty.  Extra chips won't hurt, though.
   
  Tom Baker

p3guru32371 <coryjenkins@...> wrote:
          This being a new printer, I had not loaded up any of the drivers. I
figured I would get to it after i had the ink thing worked out. then
a lightbulb went on above my head saying "you dummy, you could load
the drivers, and it would probably tell you which chip was bad!" so i
went ahead and did just that, and sure enough, after a few error
messages, i saw that my yellow cartridge was reporting as empty. so
now i know which one it is.

i went ahead and popped the old chip off just for fun, then re-glued
it hoping that perhaps it was just not making good contact. it still
didnt work. so i guess my next step is to buy another chip and a
resetter.

i do have a help desk ticket in with mis. has anyone had luck getting
them to pony up for a replacement chip?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Philip Schwartz"
<Philip.Schwartz@...> wrote:
>
> Here are a couple of things that have sometimes worked for me:
> - Assuming you have a chip resetter, reset all the offending chips.
> - Sometime the tabs that mount the chips to the cartridges extend
> slightly above the face of a chip and prevent good contact. Use
> an Xacto knife to trim the tabs flush with the face of the chip.
> - Don't forget you can always "borrow" the chips from the color
> carts that shipped with the Epson
> 
> Chips do go bad -- or get destroyed by the printer -- I lost two in
> one day last week. The only defense is to always have spares on hand.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I am having problems. I installed the carts properly, ensuring
> > that they all 'clicked' and that they were in the correct position. 
> > However, the printer is telling me... 
> > 
> > "ink carts cannot be recognized or are installed incorrectly"

> > 
> > i have pulled them all out, an put them back in at least 10 times, all
> > to no avail.
> > 
> > i cannot recall, but i think i remember reading somewhere that
> > occasionally chips go bad, and need to be replaced, at a cost of $2
> > each. 
> > 
> > Short of the hassle of re-chipping all 6 carts, are there any other
> > suggestions anyone could offer?
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
> > <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> > >
> > > As i mentioned in a previous post, (Epson R220 compared to Epson 
> > > R260) i went ahead and picked up an R340, and got the R220 inks
from 
> > > MIS (the UT-R2 to be specific).
> > > 
> > > Well, my printer, matte paper and MIS inkset arrived yesterday 
> > > evening and i plan to run my first set of tests tonight using
CS2. I 
> > > know that a generous Paul Roark has made several free .icc profiles 
> > > for use within Photoshop for the inkset and paper i purchased. i 
> > > plan to start there.
> > > 
> > > I have also read up a bit on Quad Tone Rip, in the user guide
written 
> > > by Tom Moore, and know that i would need to calibrate, and then 
> > > linearize before i make any meaningful prints. 
> > > 
> > > eventually though i will want to move up to a different paper, that 
> > > likely will not have a free profile built. So, instead of going 
> > > through the time, ink and paper to calibrate and linearize
myself in 
> > > QTR, I would be more than happy to pay the going rate $25-50 for a 
> > > custom built .icc profile. However, the people i have emailed that 
> > > do custom profiles only do them for color inksets and targets.
> > > 
> > > So my question (finally) is this...Does anyone on this board
know of 
> > > someone who makes b+w .icc profiles. Or for that matter, does
anyone 
> > > on this board want to make a few bucks and do a couple for me
when i 
> > > make a decision on the papers i would like to use?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance for any info. After i make a few prints and get 
> > > through initial learning curve i will post my opinions on how it
all 
> > > worked out on this thread.
> > > 
> > > As a point of reference, this is the equipment and workflow that i 
> > > use.
> > > Lenses: Autofocus, Prime
> > > Capture: 11.1mp DSLR Raw files
> > > Adobe Camera RAW: 16bit, 300dpi, PSD files
> > > 
> > > Photoshop: Crop, Straighten, Levels, Channel-Monochrome Convert to 
> > > b+w, Curves, Any other creative effects i may want to make,
Highpass 
> > > Sharpen, Image-Size-Resample if required for output size.
> > > 
> > > Thanks again.
> > > Cory
> > >
> >
>



         


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Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-28 by p3guru32371

Success...AT LAST!

MIS Sent me a new chip for my yellow cart.  I glued it in, and it
worked just fine.

now its time to figure out the best way to use this thing.  i figured
i would take a stab at just using an icc profile from PR, and going
thru his workflow that way.

The irony is that the shadow separation, and the highlights actually
look pretty good.  Its the midtones that look very flat.

My next step will be to send a 21 step wedge, and see what that reveals.

More to follow.

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-01-30 by Seth

Try this (Photoshop again).
Image>Adjustments>Shadow/Highlight.  Now move all the shadow and highlight
sliders to the left so they do not affect anything.  Use the midtone
contrast slider near the bottom to adjust just that portion.

Seth

====================================================
Posted by: "p3guru32371" coryjenkins@...   p3guru32371 
Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:31 pm (PST) 
Success...AT LAST!

The irony is that the shadow separation, and the highlights actually
look pretty good. Its the midtones that look very flat.
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Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by p3guru32371

Ok, so I have printed numerous test images, and it seems that i have a
 'bump' in my linearization.  60% 65% & 70% all appear to print nearly
identically.

This is with the Paul Roark r220 icc, and following his driver set ups
to the 't'.  My guess is that there may be a slight difference in the
340 vs the 220 in the way it handles the midtones.

So my question now is. "how do i modify the icc profile to get some
separation from 60% to 70%?"  Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Cory


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Success...AT LAST!
> 
> MIS Sent me a new chip for my yellow cart.  I glued it in, and it
> worked just fine.
> 
> now its time to figure out the best way to use this thing.  i figured
> i would take a stab at just using an icc profile from PR, and going
> thru his workflow that way.
> 
> The irony is that the shadow separation, and the highlights actually
> look pretty good.  Its the midtones that look very flat.
> 
> My next step will be to send a 21 step wedge, and see what that reveals.
> 
> More to follow.
>

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by p3guru32371

Seth,

Thanks for the reply.

My monitor is profiled using monaco, and in my color images i get dead
on matches, so i feel very confident that my monitor is showing me
what is really there.  and when i look at my images on the monitor, i
definately see tonal separation at the specific 60-70% range.

Add to that, the fact that when i print in "black only mode" i do get
the tonal separation.  so i have to think that the problem is in the
way the icc profile is dealing with the other shades of gray in my inkset.

otherwise it was a good suggestion....thanks for the idea.

Cory


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Seth" <seth@...>
wrote:
>
> Try this (Photoshop again).
> Image>Adjustments>Shadow/Highlight.  Now move all the shadow and
highlight
> sliders to the left so they do not affect anything.  Use the midtone
> contrast slider near the bottom to adjust just that portion.
> 
> Seth
> 
> ====================================================
> Posted by: "p3guru32371" coryjenkins@...   p3guru32371 
> Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:31 pm (PST) 
> Success...AT LAST!
> 
> The irony is that the shadow separation, and the highlights actually
> look pretty good. Its the midtones that look very flat.
> ===================================================
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by Paul Roark

>... 60% 65% & 70% all appear to print nearly identically.

>This is with the Paul Roark r220 icc, ...

And the paper is the one specified, I assume.

The flat spot is where the cross-over is between the light and dark inks.
If the light inks were too dark or dark inks too light this is what would
happen.

Have you tried printing with no ICC?

> ... "how do i modify the icc profile ...


This is the file on making an ICC with a flatbed scanner:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm  

If you have a spectro it's easier.

You can also just make a Photoshop image adjustment curve and use that with
no ICC. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by p3guru32371

Thank you for the reply Paul.

Yes, I am using EEM.

I have not tried doing it with no ICC.

Unfortunately, I have neither a scanner nor a
spectrophototmeter....yet, so i guess i may have to invest in one or
the other.

I am going to try the no icc workflow, and see how that turns out.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> >... 60% 65% & 70% all appear to print nearly identically.
> 
> >This is with the Paul Roark r220 icc, ...
> 
> And the paper is the one specified, I assume.
> 
> The flat spot is where the cross-over is between the light and dark
inks.
> If the light inks were too dark or dark inks too light this is what
would
> happen.
> 
> Have you tried printing with no ICC?
> 
> > ... "how do i modify the icc profile ...
> 
> 
> This is the file on making an ICC with a flatbed scanner:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm  
> 
> If you have a spectro it's easier.
> 
> You can also just make a Photoshop image adjustment curve and use
that with
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> no ICC. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

[Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by p3guru32371

Ok....i just printed with no icc.  And the flat spot, is still there,
though a bit less pronounced.

Im going to make a guess, that if i reduce one of the darker greys in
the color controls, perhaps that will in some way reduce the effect
further.  

i will do some trial and error with various color settings and see
what happens.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371"
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Thank you for the reply Paul.
> 
> Yes, I am using EEM.
> 
> I have not tried doing it with no ICC.
> 
> Unfortunately, I have neither a scanner nor a
> spectrophototmeter....yet, so i guess i may have to invest in one or
> the other.
> 
> I am going to try the no icc workflow, and see how that turns out.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > >... 60% 65% & 70% all appear to print nearly identically.
> > 
> > >This is with the Paul Roark r220 icc, ...
> > 
> > And the paper is the one specified, I assume.
> > 
> > The flat spot is where the cross-over is between the light and dark
> inks.
> > If the light inks were too dark or dark inks too light this is what
> would
> > happen.
> > 
> > Have you tried printing with no ICC?
> > 
> > > ... "how do i modify the icc profile ...
> > 
> > 
> > This is the file on making an ICC with a flatbed scanner:
> > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm  
> > 
> > If you have a spectro it's easier.
> > 
> > You can also just make a Photoshop image adjustment curve and use
> that with
> > no ICC. 
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
>

[Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by p3guru32371

Paul,

I have now tried a variety of things, and it seems no matter what i do
the flat spot is still there.

I stopped using the icc's, and then in the driver, I reduced the cyan,
and magenta settings to -12, and the flat spot stayed, although a bit
less pronounced.

I then reset the colors back to 0 in the driver and played with a
couple of curves.  Essentially, i lightened the 60%, and darkend the
70% spots (which increases the contrast if i understand curves
correctly).  And, the flat spot is still there.

Should i start shopping for a scanner?

Regards
Cory


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> >... 60% 65% & 70% all appear to print nearly identically.
> 
> >This is with the Paul Roark r220 icc, ...
> 
> And the paper is the one specified, I assume.
> 
> The flat spot is where the cross-over is between the light and dark
inks.
> If the light inks were too dark or dark inks too light this is what
would
> happen.
> 
> Have you tried printing with no ICC?
> 
> > ... "how do i modify the icc profile ...
> 
> 
> This is the file on making an ICC with a flatbed scanner:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm  
> 
> If you have a spectro it's easier.
> 
> You can also just make a Photoshop image adjustment curve and use
that with
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> no ICC. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

[Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by Roger

Are you positive the right inks are in the right cartridges?  Can 
you print a 6 ink test pattern (download from inksupply.com) and see 
if the density of C=M and LC=LM=Y?

If you don't want to buy a scanner someone else may be able to make 
a profile for you- I've heard good things about Cathy's profiles and 
think she does B&W ones.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371" 
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> I have now tried a variety of things, and it seems no matter what 
i do
> the flat spot is still there.
> 
> I stopped using the icc's, and then in the driver, I reduced the 
cyan,
> and magenta settings to -12, and the flat spot stayed, although a 
bit
> less pronounced.
> 
> I then reset the colors back to 0 in the driver and played with a
> couple of curves.  Essentially, i lightened the 60%, and darkend 
the
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 70% spots (which increases the contrast if i understand curves
> correctly).  And, the flat spot is still there.
> 
> Should i start shopping for a scanner?
> 
> Regards
> Cory

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-04 by Paul Roark

>...i just printed with no icc. And the flat spot, is still 
> there, though a bit less pronounced.

Are you using a 21-step test file?  If not, you can download one from here:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Test-files.htm


>Im going to make a guess, that if i reduce one of the 
>darker greys in the color controls, perhaps that will 
>in some way reduce the effect further. 

If you are familiar with Photoshop curves, they are much more powerful tools
than the driver sliders.  You might be able to eliminate the flat spot
fairly easily with a curve that increases the contrast there.

If you can sample the inks, it would be interesting to see if one of the
inks is obviously wrong.  If a dark ink is in a light spot or vice versa, an
un-curable flat spot might result in that color.  Try printing straight C &
M curves.  That is, take the 21-step file, convert it to RGB.  Then go to
the image adjustment curves.  Pull 2 of the colors to 255 flat lines.  The
image should be the pure color you want to test -- Magenta or cyan.  Then
print that image.  Have the driver set to No Color Adjustment.  You'll then
see if the cross-over, usually between 50% and 75%, is smooth or results in
a flat spot.  The C & M ramps should look alike.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-07 by Fred59

OK, I'll put an addendum on here as well.

INSTALLATION AND SETUP--NEW R340, MIS UT-R2N cartridge inkset with 
both Eboni and PK cartridges.  

Completed the MIS UT-R2N cartridge installation after installing an 
external waste tank.  

Started with an Eboni cartridge in the black position, then followed 
the Epson 'Start Here; guide--printer powered up, but no computer 
USB connection.

It choked at an error message on the printer LCD screen about non-
Epson cartridges--would not advance, even with retries of "OK." I 
then did a power off hard reset (power out of wall socket more than 
one minute), tried again.  Still choked.

Installed Epson Software drivers, hooked up the USB printer cable.  
On this try, on both the LCD printer screen and the computer monitor 
screen, I made it to the warnings about non-Epson cartridges AND 
received an out-of-ink-notice for the Black on the computer screen.

I powered down and Switched from the black cartridge Eboni K to PK, 
tried again. The setup went through this time and charged the 
printer.  I was NOT surprised, I guess, at the amount of ink in the 
waste bottle, but more on that in another thread.

So, the printer is up and running--I'll start testing photo papers 
next.

Jim H.

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-11 by p3guru32371

I was 99% sure I had them in the correct spot.  But just for grins, I
popped them out and looked.  Lo and behold...M and LM were swapped.

Needless to say, my linearity looks fantastic now.

Wow...do I ever feel like Homer Simpson.

Thanks a TON for looking at the easy solution first.

On the plus side though, i did go ahead an buy a used canon lide 30
scanner off of craigs list for $20.  Works great!  Maybe i will need
to use it one day.  haha.


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<rsmith02@...> wrote:
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>
> Are you positive the right inks are in the right cartridges?  Can 
> you print a 6 ink test pattern (download from inksupply.com) and see 
> if the density of C=M and LC=LM=Y?
> 
> If you don't want to buy a scanner someone else may be able to make 
> a profile for you- I've heard good things about Cathy's profiles and 
> think she does B&W ones.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371" 
> <coryjenkins@> wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> > 
> > I have now tried a variety of things, and it seems no matter what 
> i do
> > the flat spot is still there.
> > 
> > I stopped using the icc's, and then in the driver, I reduced the 
> cyan,
> > and magenta settings to -12, and the flat spot stayed, although a 
> bit
> > less pronounced.
> > 
> > I then reset the colors back to 0 in the driver and played with a
> > couple of curves.  Essentially, i lightened the 60%, and darkend 
> the
> > 70% spots (which increases the contrast if i understand curves
> > correctly).  And, the flat spot is still there.
> > 
> > Should i start shopping for a scanner?
> > 
> > Regards
> > Cory
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-11 by Paul Roark

I'm surprised the chips allowed the printer to work at all if the M and LM
carts were swapped.  But, as I understand what you're saying, the pre-filled
M and LM carts and chips from MIS were in the wrong spots, yet the printer
actually did print.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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p3guru32371
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:15 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

 

I was 99% sure I had them in the correct spot. But just for grins, I
popped them out and looked. Lo and behold...M and LM were swapped.

Needless to say, my linearity looks fantastic now.

. 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Epson R340 with MIS UT-R2 Inkset Experiences

2007-02-11 by Roger

Isn't it great when the easy solution is also the right solution?


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "p3guru32371" 
<coryjenkins@...> wrote:
>
> I was 99% sure I had them in the correct spot.  But just for 
grins, I
> popped them out and looked.  Lo and behold...M and LM were swapped.
> 
> Needless to say, my linearity looks fantastic now.
> 
> Wow...do I ever feel like Homer Simpson.
> 
> Thanks a TON for looking at the easy solution first.
> 
> On the plus side though, i did go ahead an buy a used canon lide 30
> scanner off of craigs list for $20.  Works great!  Maybe i will 
need
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> to use it one day.  haha.
> 
>

New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Mike Johnston

Hi,

I took this picture
http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
a few weeks ago.

I am not sure I like the tilt.
I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks
Mike Johnston

Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Brian Mikiten

The cropping is distracting. How much more of the image is available?  
I pulled it into photoshop and straightened it a bit which was more  
balanced. Do you have more sky available?

Brian
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Mike Johnston wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I took this picture
> http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
> a few weeks ago.
>
> I am not sure I like the tilt.
> I would appreciate your comments.
>
> Thanks
> Mike Johnston
>

Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Bert Katzung

Hi Mike:
Nice shot, I like it! I might like it better leveled, though ( ;-)); how 
about a level version to look at?
Bert
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture


Hi,

I took this picture
http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
a few weeks ago.

I am not sure I like the tilt.
I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks
Mike Johnston




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RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Gary W. Weaver

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Johnston
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:01 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture


Hi,

I took this picture
http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
a few weeks ago.

I am not sure I like the tilt.
I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks
Mike Johnston




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RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Gary W. Weaver

HiYa Mike,

Nothing wrong with tilt and whatever. Maybe it's a crop of a 8mm on 120 film
:  )

But, you can't really do this with Natural stuff in the background.

Isolate your patterns for better effect, and avoid the distraction of
un-needed junk.

Last night I was playing with a over harsh flash port. and was able to crop
to about a 1/3 of the face to get a interesting take.

gar
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Johnston
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:01 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture


Hi,

I took this picture
http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
a few weeks ago.

I am not sure I like the tilt.
I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks
Mike Johnston




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RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Eric Neilsen

Mike, I find that it gets stronger with a touch off the left and pull the
horizon line down to the level of the snow on the upper right with NO
straightening. That gets rid of the distracting elements on top and pulls
you into the snow and post. 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Johnston
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

 

Hi,

I took this picture
http://upload. <http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167>
pbase.com/image/74247167
a few weeks ago.

I am not sure I like the tilt.
I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks
Mike Johnston

 



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RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Mike Johnston

Thanks Brian,
That is the entire image.

Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian
Mikiten
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

The cropping is distracting. How much more of the image is available?
I pulled it into photoshop and straightened it a bit which was more
balanced. Do you have more sky available?

Brian
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On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Mike Johnston wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I took this picture
> http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
> a few weeks ago.
>
> I am not sure I like the tilt.
> I would appreciate your comments.
>
> Thanks
> Mike Johnston
>

RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Mike Johnston

Thanks Bert,
Here is a straightened version.


http://www.pbase.com/mwj_3142/image/74261321

Mike J.
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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bert
Katzung
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:15 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

Hi Mike:
Nice shot, I like it! I might like it better leveled, though ( ;-)); how
about a level version to look at?
Bert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Johnston" <wpajohnson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture


Hi,

I took this picture
http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
a few weeks ago.

I am not sure I like the tilt.
I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks
Mike Johnston

RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Mike Johnston

Thanks for all the comments.
Here is another picture from the same location with the sky

http://upload.pbase.com/image/74261327

Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian
Mikiten
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

The cropping is distracting. How much more of the image is available?
I pulled it into photoshop and straightened it a bit which was more
balanced. Do you have more sky available?

Brian
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Mike Johnston wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I took this picture
> http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
> a few weeks ago.
>
> I am not sure I like the tilt.
> I would appreciate your comments.
>
> Thanks
> Mike Johnston
>

RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Mike Johnston

Thanks Eric,

Here is my interpretation of your recommendation.

http://www.pbase.com/mwj_3142/image/74261778

Thanks

Mike J.
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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Neilsen
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:56 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

Mike, I find that it gets stronger with a touch off the left and pull the
horizon line down to the level of the snow on the upper right with NO
straightening. That gets rid of the distracting elements on top and pulls
you into the snow and post.



Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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Re: New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by William John Smith

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston" 
<wpajohnson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I took this picture
> http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
> a few weeks ago.
> 
> I am not sure I like the tilt.
> I would appreciate your comments.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike Johnston
>

Mike.............

Your image is fine as is, all the attempts at improving it are very boring, including your 
own.
You are showing a fine eye for taking an ordinary fence in the snow scene and making it
different.  Good job.

William

Re: New B&W Picture

2007-02-11 by Robert Lee

Hi, Mike,

(Keeping in mind that I'm looking at this on a dying monitor with a 
washed out magenta cast) I agree that leveler is boringer. And 
(keeping in mind I'm on a "simpler is better" track with my own 
shooting) I also agree that the trees aren't contributing much for 
me--might even be detracting.

Cheers,
Bob L (aka robert e)


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston" 
<wpajohnson@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> 
> I took this picture
> http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
> a few weeks ago.
> 
> I am not sure I like the tilt.
> I would appreciate your comments.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike Johnston
>

RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-12 by Eric Neilsen

I left the snow exiting just at the very top and took more off bottom and
left.  I'll send you one. Very small JPEG

 

Eric

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

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http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Johnston
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 4:37 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

 

Thanks Eric,

Here is my interpretation of your recommendation.

http://www.pbase. <http://www.pbase.com/mwj_3142/image/74261778>
com/mwj_3142/image/74261778

Thanks

Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Neilsen
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:56 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

Mike, I find that it gets stronger with a touch off the left and pull the
horizon line down to the level of the snow on the upper right with NO
straightening. That gets rid of the distracting elements on top and pulls
you into the snow and post.

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen. <http://e.neilsen.home.att.net> home.att.net

http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com

Skype ejprinter

_____

 



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Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-12 by Bert Katzung

Hi Mike:
Yup, I like it better leveled out. But I'm always picky about horizontals 
and verticals ;-)).
Bert
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Johnston" <wpajohnson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture


Thanks Bert,
Here is a straightened version.


http://www.pbase.com/mwj_3142/image/74261321

Mike J.



-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bert
Katzung
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:15 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

Hi Mike:
Nice shot, I like it! I might like it better leveled, though ( ;-)); how
about a level version to look at?
Bert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Johnston" <wpajohnson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture


Hi,

I took this picture
http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
a few weeks ago.

I am not sure I like the tilt.
I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks
Mike Johnston






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RE: [Digital BW] Re: New B&W Picture

2007-02-12 by Mike Johnston

Thank you
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John Smith
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:53 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: New B&W Picture

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston"
<wpajohnson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I took this picture
> http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
> a few weeks ago.
>
> I am not sure I like the tilt.
> I would appreciate your comments.
>
> Thanks
> Mike Johnston
>

Mike.............

Your image is fine as is, all the attempts at improving it are very boring,
including your
own.
You are showing a fine eye for taking an ordinary fence in the snow scene
and making it
different.  Good job.

William



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Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-12 by Gary Brown

This is a B&W printing group, not a place to view B&W prints. If that is 
what you want there are several lists with B&W specific areas.

Lets try to keep it reasonably on topic.

Gary
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Johnston" <wpajohnson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture


Thanks for all the comments.
Here is another picture from the same location with the sky

http://upload.pbase.com/image/74261327

Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian
Mikiten
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

The cropping is distracting. How much more of the image is available?
I pulled it into photoshop and straightened it a bit which was more
balanced. Do you have more sky available?

Brian

On Feb 11, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Mike Johnston wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I took this picture
> http://upload.pbase.com/image/74247167
> a few weeks ago.
>
> I am not sure I like the tilt.
> I would appreciate your comments.
>
> Thanks
> Mike Johnston
>




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RE: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

2007-02-12 by Mike Johnston

Thanks Gary.
I will go back to lurking.
Mike J.
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary Brown
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:18 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] New B&W Picture

This is a B&W printing group, not a place to view B&W prints. If that is
what you want there are several lists with B&W specific areas.

Lets try to keep it reasonably on topic.

Gary

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