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> thanks alot ..
> ezz
> 
>  
> Mohamed Ezz el-din
> systems and biomedical engineering department
> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/87406.html
> http://www.photoforum.ru/user/17125/photos.0.date.desc.0.0.1.en.html
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mohamed
> ezz el-dine
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:26 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] B/W Filters
> 
> Dear Photographers,
> I'm an egyptian amateur photographer ..that's my first post to ur group ..
> I adore black and white  photography so much ..
> I wanted to ask about a program or filter that's specialized in black and
> white ..
> I found  "B/W Styler"  , a plugin filter for photoshop ..
> http://www.thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/bwstyler/
> Please I want to know ur opinion before I buy it .. is it the best ?? or
> if there's a simmilar free filter ..??
> thanks alot ..
> ezz
> 
> 
> Mohamed Ezz el-din
> systems and biomedical engineering department
> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/87406.html
> http://www.photoforum.ru/user/17125/photos.0.date.desc.0.0.1.en.html
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sagaface
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:25 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B/W Filters

Welcome, Ezz!

There are so many free actiopns and filters out there you could go blind
looking at them 
all. One I have used and liked very much is Greg Gorman's B&W action. Try
this link and 
scroll down to find the download. I hope it's useful for you!

best,
Sarah


http://www.atncentral.com/download.htm#BW_Conv








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> Dear Photographers,
> I'm an egyptian amateur photographer ..that's my first post to ur group ..
> I adore black and white  photography so much ..
> I wanted to ask about a program or filter that's specialized in black and
white ..
> I found  "B/W Styler"  , a plugin filter for photoshop ..
> http://www.thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/bwstyler/
> Please I want to know ur opinion before I buy it .. is it the best ?? or
if there's a simmilar 
free filter ..??
> thanks alot ..
> ezz
> 
>  
> Mohamed Ezz el-din
> systems and biomedical engineering department
> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/87406.html
> http://www.photoforum.ru/user/17125/photos.0.date.desc.0.0.1.en.html
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>
> got my box of innova  f-type glossy today. I guess I was expecting  
> more.....
> On the epson 2400, i would describe it as:
> 
> The look and feel of cheap epson glossy paper, with all of the gloss  
> differential of epson premium luster. This paper does not impress me.  
> The image quality is great, and the warmish tone is great too, but  
> the gloss diffential and bronzing are exactly the same as the epson  
> papers, which are about half the price.
> 
> I wonder if the innova semi-matte has these problems. I read glowing  
> reports the f-type gloss, but as far as I can see, there is nothing  
> new here. Even the surface has been around for years as cheap epson  
> glossy. I would say that epson premium semi gloss and semi-matte are  
> both superior on the 2400. The epson ultra premium glossy is better  
> too. Oh well, live and learn. Doug M
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> I adore black and white  photography so much ..
> I wanted to ask about a program or filter that's specialized in black and white ..
> I found  "B/W Styler"  , a plugin filter for photoshop ..
> http://www.thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/bwstyler/
> Please I want to know ur opinion before I buy it .. is it the best ?? or if there's a simmilar free filter ..??
> thanks alot ..
> ezz
>
>  
> Mohamed Ezz el-din
> systems and biomedical engineering department
> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/87406.html
> http://www.photoforum.ru/user/17125/photos.0.date.desc.0.0.1.en.html
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler
Boley
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:29 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

 

this doesn't even sound like the same paper. The Innova F-type gloss I've
used no doubt 
also glowingly reported on here. It's certainly not warm, much less gloss
differential them 
Premium Luster, and bears no resemblence to my memory of cheap Epson gloss
or any 
other papers for that matter...
Aside from appearances it definitely does not feel cheap, but thick and
substantial.
All this stuff is subjective and we will not all like the same materials,
sorry you didn't like 
it.
But it almost sounds like the wrong paper...
Tyler

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ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@..-.> wrote:
>
> got my box of innova f-type glossy today. I guess I was expecting 
> more.....
> On the epson 2400, i would describe it as:
> 
> The look and feel of cheap epson glossy paper, with all of the gloss 
> differential of epson premium luster. This paper does not impress me. 
> The image quality is great, and the warmish tone is great too, but 
> the gloss diffential and bronzing are exactly the same as the epson 
> papers, which are about half the price.
> 
> I wonder if the innova semi-matte has these problems. I read glowing 
> reports the f-type gloss, but as far as I can see, there is nothing 
> new here. Even the surface has been around for years as cheap epson 
> glossy. I would say that epson premium semi gloss and semi-matte are 
> both superior on the 2400. The epson ultra premium glossy is better 
> too. Oh well, live and learn. Doug M
>

 


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> > The image quality is great, and the warmish tone is great too, but  
> > the gloss diffential and bronzing are exactly the same as the epson  
> > papers, which are about half the price.
> > 
> > I wonder if the innova semi-matte has these problems. I read glowing  
> > reports the f-type gloss, but as far as I can see, there is nothing  
> > new here. Even the surface has been around for years as cheap epson  
> > glossy. I would say that epson premium semi gloss and semi-matte are  
> > both superior on the 2400. The epson ultra premium glossy is better  
> > too. Oh well, live and learn. Doug M
> >
>

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On Jan 25, 2007, at 4:25 AM, mohamed ezz el-dine wrote:

> Dear Photographers,
> I'm an egyptian amateur photographer ..that's my first post to ur  
> group ..
> I adore black and white  photography so much ..
> I wanted to ask about a program or filter that's specialized in  
> black and white ..
> I found  "B/W Styler"  , a plugin filter for photoshop ..
> http://www.thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/bwstyler/
> Please I want to know ur opinion before I buy it .. is it the  
> best ?? or if there's a simmilar free filter ..??
> thanks alot ..
> ezz
>
>
> Mohamed Ezz el-din
> systems and biomedical engineering department
> http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/87406.html
> http://www.photoforum.ru/user/17125/photos.0.date.desc.0.0.1.en.html
>
>
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----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Doyle <jdoyle1713@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:49:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

Tyler

 

Well  put..couldnt have said it better myself.. Also The epson papers
mentioned are RC papers The Innova Doesn’t have that RC Coating wich makes
it 

More archival according to Henry W.

 

Hope everyone is enjoying the cold snap!

 

Cheers

 

Jim Doyle

 

Shades Of Paper

600 Deer Rd Unit 4

Cherry Hill NJ 08034

856-795-7780

HYPERLINK "http://www.shadesofpaper.com/"www.shadesofpaper.com>

 

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler
Boley
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:29 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

 

this doesn't even sound like the same paper. The Innova F-type gloss I've
used no doubt 
also glowingly reported on here. It's certainly not warm, much less gloss
differential them 
Premium Luster, and bears no resemblence to my memory of cheap Epson gloss
or any 
other papers for that matter...
Aside from appearances it definitely does not feel cheap, but thick and
substantial.
All this stuff is subjective and we will not all like the same materials,
sorry you didn't like 
it.
But it almost sounds like the wrong paper...
Tyler

--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com"DigitalBlackandWhit-e
ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@..-.> wrote:
>
> got my box of innova f-type glossy today. I guess I was expecting 
> more.....
> On the epson 2400, i would describe it as:
> 
> The look and feel of cheap epson glossy paper, with all of the gloss 
> differential of epson premium luster. This paper does not impress me. 
> The image quality is great, and the warmish tone is great too, but 
> the gloss diffential and bronzing are exactly the same as the epson 
> papers, which are about half the price.
> 
> I wonder if the innova semi-matte has these problems. I read glowing 
> reports the f-type gloss, but as far as I can see, there is nothing 
> new here. Even the surface has been around for years as cheap epson 
> glossy. I would say that epson premium semi gloss and semi-matte are 
> both superior on the 2400. The epson ultra premium glossy is better 
> too. Oh well, live and learn. Doug M
>

 


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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
elwood@...
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:31 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

 

Hey Jim

What is the deal with the (new?) Innova Fiba Semi Matte. I have seen some
discussion of it on these threads but don't know of anyone who has actually
tried it. Could you give us your impressions and is it generally available?

Thanks
Woody Spedden

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From: Jim Doyle <HYPERLINK
"mailto:jdoyle1713%40comcast.net"jdoyle1713@comcast.-net>
To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com"DigitalBlackandWhit-e
ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:49:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

Tyler

Well put..couldnt have said it better myself.. Also The epson papers
mentioned are RC papers The Innova Doesn�t have that RC Coating wich makes
it 

More archival according to Henry W.

Hope everyone is enjoying the cold snap!

Cheers

Jim Doyle

Shades Of Paper

600 Deer Rd Unit 4

Cherry Hill NJ 08034

856-795-7780

HYPERLINK "HYPERLINK
"http://www.shadesofpaper.com/"http://www.shadesof-paper.com/"www.shadesofpa
per.-com>

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ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com
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"mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com"DigitalBlackandWhit-e
ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com] On Behalf Of Tyler
Boley
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:29 AM
To: HYPERLINK
"mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com"DigitalBlackandWhit-e
ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

this doesn't even sound like the same paper. The Innova F-type gloss I've
used no doubt 
also glowingly reported on here. It's certainly not warm, much less gloss
differential them 
Premium Luster, and bears no resemblence to my memory of cheap Epson gloss
or any 
other papers for that matter...
Aside from appearances it definitely does not feel cheap, but thick and
substantial.
All this stuff is subjective and we will not all like the same materials,
sorry you didn't like 
it.
But it almost sounds like the wrong paper...
Tyler

--- In HYPERLINK
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it-e
ThePrint@-yahoogrou-ps.-com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@..--.> wrote:
>
> got my box of innova f-type glossy today. I guess I was expecting 
> more.....
> On the epson 2400, i would describe it as:
> 
> The look and feel of cheap epson glossy paper, with all of the gloss 
> differential of epson premium luster. This paper does not impress me. 
> The image quality is great, and the warmish tone is great too, but 
> the gloss diffential and bronzing are exactly the same as the epson 
> papers, which are about half the price.
> 
> I wonder if the innova semi-matte has these problems. I read glowing 
> reports the f-type gloss, but as far as I can see, there is nothing 
> new here. Even the surface has been around for years as cheap epson 
> glossy. I would say that epson premium semi gloss and semi-matte are 
> both superior on the 2400. The epson ultra premium glossy is better 
> too. Oh well, live and learn. Doug M
>

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> 
> Thanks
> Woody Spedden

----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Doyle <jdoyle1713@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:40:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

Hi Elwood and Gang

 

The Semi Matte Is a little whiter in the base No gloss at all and Blacks
measure out the same.. 

 

Rolls are all available and Sheets Its Only 8.5x11 & 17x22 Hopefully within
the month the other two sheet sizes will become available..

 

Cheers

 

Jim Doyle

 

Shades Of Paper

600 Deer Rd Unit 4

Cherry Hill NJ 08034

856-795-7780

www.shadesofpaper.com

 

 

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elwood@wsnconsult.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:31 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

 

Hey Jim

What is the deal with the (new?) Innova Fiba Semi Matte. I have seen some
discussion of it on these threads but don't know of anyone who has actually
tried it. Could you give us your impressions and is it generally available?

Thanks
Woody Spedden

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From: Jim Doyle <HYPERLINK
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To: HYPERLINK
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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:49:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

Tyler

Well put..couldnt have said it better myself.. Also The epson papers
mentioned are RC papers The Innova Doesn’t have that RC Coating wich makes
it 

More archival according to Henry W.

Hope everyone is enjoying the cold snap!

Cheers

Jim Doyle

Shades Of Paper

600 Deer Rd Unit 4

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ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com
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ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com] On Behalf Of Tyler
Boley
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:29 AM
To: HYPERLINK
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ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

this doesn't even sound like the same paper. The Innova F-type gloss I've
used no doubt 
also glowingly reported on here. It's certainly not warm, much less gloss
differential them 
Premium Luster, and bears no resemblence to my memory of cheap Epson gloss
or any 
other papers for that matter...
Aside from appearances it definitely does not feel cheap, but thick and
substantial.
All this stuff is subjective and we will not all like the same materials,
sorry you didn't like 
it.
But it almost sounds like the wrong paper...
Tyler

--- In HYPERLINK
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it-e
ThePrint@-yahoogrou-ps.-com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@..--.> wrote:
>
> got my box of innova f-type glossy today. I guess I was expecting 
> more.....
> On the epson 2400, i would describe it as:
> 
> The look and feel of cheap epson glossy paper, with all of the gloss 
> differential of epson premium luster. This paper does not impress me. 
> The image quality is great, and the warmish tone is great too, but 
> the gloss diffential and bronzing are exactly the same as the epson 
> papers, which are about half the price.
> 
> I wonder if the innova semi-matte has these problems. I read glowing 
> reports the f-type gloss, but as far as I can see, there is nothing 
> new here. Even the surface has been around for years as cheap epson 
> glossy. I would say that epson premium semi gloss and semi-matte are 
> both superior on the 2400. The epson ultra premium glossy is better 
> too. Oh well, live and learn. Doug M
>

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
artistsloft4811
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:23 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] B/W Filters

hi Mohamed and Peter...

do try the new Photoshop CS3 beta... the B&W conversion is greatly improved,
giving slider
access to all 6 colors. Russell Brown has a nice tutorial and demo at

http://av.adobe.com/russellbrown/CS3Color_To_BWSM.mov
<http://av.adobe.com/russellbrown/CS3Color_To_BWSM.mov>

in addition to the base sliders, you can click on the image and a slider for
that color
appears... way too much control for me..lol however, it does lack the
automated one
click things common on most plug ins..

fun, that's the game,

chuck kimball



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>
> With the semi matte, does the K3 ink seem to sit on top, like you  
> could peel it off? Does  the ink have a gloss to it? Thanks, Doug M

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Swanson
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:47 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

 

Hey all

I might know the answer. You may remember my trouble
with the MIS UT7 ink set I was having with my 2200.

While I waited for replacement UT7 carts I went with
QTR and Epson OE color inks for my B&W. All in all a
nice easy way to print.

But to the Innova problem. I find with QTR and Innova
does look and bronze very much like the Epson Luster
paper. Nice finish, better nicer weight but I think I
know what he means.

QTR uses PK for Innova. MIS UT7 uses MK with Innova
and it is a whole new paper with MK. 

Maybe he read reviews of a 3rd party inks results on
Innova? 

I'd rather use MK and QTR with Epson ink but oddly it
doesn't really look any different than PK. I expected
a diference but barely saw any. Something about the
UT7s and Innova, a great combo IMO.

 



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> > group ..
> > I adore black and white  photography so much ..
> > I wanted to ask about a program or filter that's specialized in  
> > black and white ..
> > I found  "B/W Styler"  , a plugin filter for photoshop ..
> > http://www.thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/bwstyler/
> > Please I want to know ur opinion before I buy it .. is it the  
> > best ?? or if there's a simmilar free filter ..??
> > thanks alot ..
> > ezz
> >
> >
> > Mohamed Ezz el-din
> > systems and biomedical engineering department
> > http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/87406.html

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of craig
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:55 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] B/W Filters

 


The approach is to pre-filter the colour image (in Photoshop) for a
particular section and, if just one, mark it as a history state, or if
more, take snap shots. Then go to the state the satisfies the majority
of the image and by sequentially marking the other states as history,
paint these section back in with the history brush.

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> > group ..
> > I adore black and white  photography so much ..
> > I wanted to ask about a program or filter that's specialized in
> > black and white ..
> > I found  "B/W Styler"  , a plugin filter for photoshop ..
> > http://www.thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/bwstyler/
> > Please I want to know ur opinion before I buy it .. is it the
> > best ?? or if there's a simmilar free filter ..??
> > thanks alot ..
> > ezz
> >
> >
> > Mohamed Ezz el-din
> > systems and biomedical engineering department
> > http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/87406.html

On Jan 30, 2007, at 4:09 PM, David Keenan wrote:

>> any paper that needs to be sprayed in order to "come together"
>> it has a lot of gloss diff, and needs to be sprayed
>
> Maybe it's a difference in work flow, printer, or ink, but I see no  
> need for
> any overcoat spray on the over 60 prints that I have made recently  
> for a
> couple of shows using this paper.
>
> I see no gloss differential at all.
>
> Yes, I am using the K3 inks on a R2400.
>
> Color me completely satsified. Now back to the making of my next 30
> prints...
>
> Dave.
> -- 
> Web Site: www.david-keenan.com
> 2007 PAW: www.david-keenan.com/paw
> 2006 EuroBlog: www.david-keenan.com/euroblog

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Schofield
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:38 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

 

I also see no objectionable GD or bronzing using MIS K4 inks in an 
Epson 4000 (CB X-Photo RIP). No need for spraying this paper.

On Jan 30, 2007, at 4:09 PM, David Keenan wrote:

>> any paper that needs to be sprayed in order to "come together"
>> it has a lot of gloss diff, and needs to be sprayed
>
> Maybe it's a difference in work flow, printer, or ink, but I see no 
> need for
> any overcoat spray on the over 60 prints that I have made recently 
> for a
> couple of shows using this paper.
>
> I see no gloss differential at all.
>
> Yes, I am using the K3 inks on a R2400.
>
> Color me completely satsified. Now back to the making of my next 30
> prints...
>
> Dave.
> -- 
> Web Site: www.david-keenan.com
> 2007 PAW: www.david-keenan.com/paw
> 2006 EuroBlog: www.david-keenan.com/euroblog

 



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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Neilsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:45 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

 

I may not be a need but a preferred look. I'd not rush to the GD or Bronzing
as a factor unless they said so. Did I miss that? 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen. <http://e.neilsen.home.att.net> home.att.net

http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Schofield
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:38 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: innova f-type glossy

I also see no objectionable GD or bronzing using MIS K4 inks in an 
Epson 4000 (CB X-Photo RIP). No need for spraying this paper.

On Jan 30, 2007, at 4:09 PM, David Keenan wrote:

>> any paper that needs to be sprayed in order to "come together"
>> it has a lot of gloss diff, and needs to be sprayed
>
> Maybe it's a difference in work flow, printer, or ink, but I see no 
> need for
> any overcoat spray on the over 60 prints that I have made recently 
> for a
> couple of shows using this paper.
>
> I see no gloss differential at all.
>
> Yes, I am using the K3 inks on a R2400.
>
> Color me completely satsified. Now back to the making of my next 30
> prints...
>
> Dave.
> -- 
> Web Site: www.david-keenan.com
> 2007 PAW: www.david-keenan.com/paw
> 2006 EuroBlog: www.david-keenan.com/euroblog

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