Digital BW, The Print

>
> Hi, did you remove the airplug? its a black tab at the bottom of the cart
> 
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Sarah Renkes <sagaface@...> wrote:
> 
> >   Hi all,
> >
> > I just got my 1800, along with the required inkset from MIS. I thought I
> > had ordered both the
> > PK and Glop cleaning carts but mistakenly only ordered the Glop. I asked an
> > MIS associate if I
> > had to use the PK cleaning cart and he said to just install the Eboni in
> > that position and print
> > a bunch and it would clear itself out. I did this, then went on to try and
> > print my first b/W
> > print.
> >
> > I get nothing but a ghost image. Two nozzle checks revealed almost no ink
> > coming out of
> > any of the EK positions. I cleaned twice and that went down to none at all.
> >
> >
> > Stuck....what did I do wrong?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Sarah
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> > >
> > >
> > > Stuck....what did I do wrong?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Sarah
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
> The cleaning cart isn't your problem.  I've done the same as you with
> my R1800.
> 
> Try using the bottom fill adapter to suck some ink through the exit
> port and get the flow going.
> 
> Either that or make sure the air hole is vented.  Post a picture of
> your cartridge if you need help.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > Mmmm, no. I didn't. Am I supposed to? I never did that using BO with
> EK in my 2200. And 
> > there is definitely ink coming out of that hole...,though when I
> pull the MK/EK, it doesn't 
> > appear as if any ink has been used at all. Same with the Glop/EK.
> However the PK/EK 
> > clearly shows a reduction in the ink level.
> > 
> > Still stumped.
> > 
> > thank you,
> > Sarah
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tingxi Tan"
> <ttxtan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, did you remove the airplug? its a black tab at the bottom of
> the cart
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Sarah Renkes <sagaface@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >   Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I just got my 1800, along with the required inkset from MIS. I
> thought I
> > > > had ordered both the
> > > > PK and Glop cleaning carts but mistakenly only ordered the Glop.
> I asked an
> > > > MIS associate if I
> > > > had to use the PK cleaning cart and he said to just install the
> Eboni in
> > > > that position and print
> > > > a bunch and it would clear itself out. I did this, then went on
> to try and
> > > > print my first b/W
> > > > print.
> > > >
> > > > I get nothing but a ghost image. Two nozzle checks revealed
> almost no ink
> > > > coming out of
> > > > any of the EK positions. I cleaned twice and that went down to
> none at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stuck....what did I do wrong?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Sarah
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

> >
> > The cleaning cart isn't your problem.  I've done the same as you with
> > my R1800.
> > 
> > Try using the bottom fill adapter to suck some ink through the exit
> > port and get the flow going.
> > 
> > Either that or make sure the air hole is vented.  Post a picture of
> > your cartridge if you need help.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> > <sagaface@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mmmm, no. I didn't. Am I supposed to? I never did that using BO with
> > EK in my 2200. And 
> > > there is definitely ink coming out of that hole...,though when I
> > pull the MK/EK, it doesn't 
> > > appear as if any ink has been used at all. Same with the Glop/EK.
> > However the PK/EK 
> > > clearly shows a reduction in the ink level.
> > > 
> > > Still stumped.
> > > 
> > > thank you,
> > > Sarah
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tingxi Tan"
> > <ttxtan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, did you remove the airplug? its a black tab at the bottom of
> > the cart
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Sarah Renkes <sagaface@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >   Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just got my 1800, along with the required inkset from MIS. I
> > thought I
> > > > > had ordered both the
> > > > > PK and Glop cleaning carts but mistakenly only ordered the Glop.
> > I asked an
> > > > > MIS associate if I
> > > > > had to use the PK cleaning cart and he said to just install the
> > Eboni in
> > > > > that position and print
> > > > > a bunch and it would clear itself out. I did this, then went on
> > to try and
> > > > > print my first b/W
> > > > > print.
> > > > >
> > > > > I get nothing but a ghost image. Two nozzle checks revealed
> > almost no ink
> > > > > coming out of
> > > > > any of the EK positions. I cleaned twice and that went down to
> > none at all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuck....what did I do wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > Sarah
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Unscrew the needle from the syringe and screw the bottom fill adapter
> on. Then press it into the exit port of the cartridge and pull on the
> syringe to draw ink into it.
> Paul Roark recommends one that's cut down a bit.  I've done this with
> a razor blade.
> 
> See his post here:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/93644
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Roger, I will try both suggestions. However, I'm not clear
> how you use the fill 
> > adapter to suck some ink through....?
> > 
> > Sarah
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roger"
> <rsmith02@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The cleaning cart isn't your problem.  I've done the same as you with
> > > my R1800.
> > > 
> > > Try using the bottom fill adapter to suck some ink through the exit
> > > port and get the flow going.
> > > 
> > > Either that or make sure the air hole is vented.  Post a picture of
> > > your cartridge if you need help.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> > > <sagaface@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mmmm, no. I didn't. Am I supposed to? I never did that using BO with
> > > EK in my 2200. And 
> > > > there is definitely ink coming out of that hole...,though when I
> > > pull the MK/EK, it doesn't 
> > > > appear as if any ink has been used at all. Same with the Glop/EK.
> > > However the PK/EK 
> > > > clearly shows a reduction in the ink level.
> > > > 
> > > > Still stumped.
> > > > 
> > > > thank you,
> > > > Sarah
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tingxi Tan"
> > > <ttxtan@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, did you remove the airplug? its a black tab at the bottom of
> > > the cart
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Sarah Renkes <sagaface@> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > >   Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just got my 1800, along with the required inkset from MIS. I
> > > thought I
> > > > > > had ordered both the
> > > > > > PK and Glop cleaning carts but mistakenly only ordered the Glop.
> > > I asked an
> > > > > > MIS associate if I
> > > > > > had to use the PK cleaning cart and he said to just install the
> > > Eboni in
> > > > > > that position and print
> > > > > > a bunch and it would clear itself out. I did this, then went on
> > > to try and
> > > > > > print my first b/W
> > > > > > print.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I get nothing but a ghost image. Two nozzle checks revealed
> > > almost no ink
> > > > > > coming out of
> > > > > > any of the EK positions. I cleaned twice and that went down to
> > > none at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stuck....what did I do wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > Sarah
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

On 10/20/2008 at 2:29 PM Sarah Renkes wrote:

>Darn it. I'm not filling these carts myself. This my first set and I
>bought them already filled 
>from MIS. I don't have the equipment to do what you have suggested.
>
>yikes. this is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I have someone waiting
>for a print and I'm 
>completely stuck.
>

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> <sagaface@...> wrote:
>>
>> Darn it. I'm not filling these carts myself. This my first set and
> I bought them already filled
>> from MIS. I don't have the equipment to do what you have suggested.
>>
>> yikes. this is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I have someone
> waiting for a print and I'm
>> completely stuck.
>
> Sarah
>
> I am going to start by apologizing: you probably won't like what I
> am about to write. I have been having the same problems that you
> describe since I bought my r1800. I have been throwing good money
> after bad. It is a daytime nightmare. I suggest you dispose of the
> printer and buy something else.
>
> First I used carts from MIS and now I have a continuous flow
> system. I use Eboni in the Y, MK and PK slots and PKN in the R, B
> and C slots. I seldom get all working properly but sometimes I can
> use either the Eboni or PKN inks.
>
> The cleaning cycle Epson has on this machine is aggressive. It
> creates bubbles in the cart and the ink does not flow. I do not
> think I have particulate clogs. I suspect the use of this
> aggressive cleaning system was a matter of Epson policy to increase
> its ink sales. I think more ink has been through the waste outlet
> onto the pads than onto paper. I have had to have the counter reset
> and the soak pads changed at a cost of £125 cUS$220.
>
> I have used a syringe to draw out the ink through the cart exit.
> (see the post above). I no longer switch off the machine because,
> when you switch on, those lovely people at Epson designed the
> machine to do a head clean. Someone once told me that, at the close
> of business each working day, top Epson Executives in Japan roll
> about on the floor laughing at the money they are making from their
> inks.
>
> Before that change, using the Epson maintenance routine, I was back
> to a nearly white piece of paper after doing the nozzle checks.
>
> This morning I ran the SSC utility. I wonder if it is less
> aggressive than the Epson one or if I am deluding myself. I
> started, would you believe with perfect nozzle checks in the MK and
> PK positions. I printed a half page of the purge file from MIS.
> Ran the SSC cleaning cycle and had perfect nozzle checks for the B,
> PK, MK, and C positions. In both cases ink was flowing in the other
> channels but there were about 10% gaps. I printed a half purge page
> again, and went to walk the dog – yes, the dog not the printer. The
> printer is lucky I don't kick dogs!
>
> I ran another SSC cleaning cycle and nozzle check. The Y, M and C
> channels were perfect but ink from the MK and PK nozzles only fired
> through about 10% of the nozzles. No ink flowed at all through the
> R and B carts. Go figure!
>
> I will wait three hours and try again.
>
> Colin
>
>

From: colingruk 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 06:48: VIRUS ALERT!
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] R1800/3mk failure (my error) HELP!!!


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes" 
<sagaface@...> wrote:
>
> Darn it. I'm not filling these carts myself. This my first set and 
I bought them already filled 
> from MIS. I don't have the equipment to do what you have suggested.
> 
> yikes. this is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I have someone 
waiting for a print and I'm 
> completely stuck.

Sarah

I am going to start by apologizing: you probably won't like what I 
am about to write. I have been having the same problems that you 
describe since I bought my r1800. I have been throwing good money 
after bad. It is a daytime nightmare. I suggest you dispose of the 
printer and buy something else.

First I used carts from MIS and now I have a continuous flow 
system. I use Eboni in the Y, MK and PK slots and PKN in the R, B 
and C slots. I seldom get all working properly but sometimes I can 
use either the Eboni or PKN inks. 

The cleaning cycle Epson has on this machine is aggressive. It 
creates bubbles in the cart and the ink does not flow. I do not 
think I have particulate clogs. I suspect the use of this 
aggressive cleaning system was a matter of Epson policy to increase 
its ink sales. I think more ink has been through the waste outlet 
onto the pads than onto paper. I have had to have the counter reset 
and the soak pads changed at a cost of £125 cUS$220.

I have used a syringe to draw out the ink through the cart exit. 
(see the post above). I no longer switch off the machine because, 
when you switch on, those lovely people at Epson designed the 
machine to do a head clean. Someone once told me that, at the close 
of business each working day, top Epson Executives in Japan roll 
about on the floor laughing at the money they are making from their 
inks.

Before that change, using the Epson maintenance routine, I was back 
to a nearly white piece of paper after doing the nozzle checks.

This morning I ran the SSC utility. I wonder if it is less 
aggressive than the Epson one or if I am deluding myself. I 
started, would you believe with perfect nozzle checks in the MK and 
PK positions. I printed a half page of the purge file from MIS. 
Ran the SSC cleaning cycle and had perfect nozzle checks for the B, 
PK, MK, and C positions. In both cases ink was flowing in the other 
channels but there were about 10% gaps. I printed a half purge page 
again, and went to walk the dog - yes, the dog not the printer. The 
printer is lucky I don't kick dogs!

I ran another SSC cleaning cycle and nozzle check. The Y, M and C 
channels were perfect but ink from the MK and PK nozzles only fired 
through about 10% of the nozzles. No ink flowed at all through the 
R and B carts. Go figure!

I will wait three hours and try again.

Colin



 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> completely stuck.
> 
> 
>

>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes" 
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > Darn it. I'm not filling these carts myself. This my first set and 
> I bought them already filled 
> > from MIS. I don't have the equipment to do what you have suggested.
> > 
> > yikes. this is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I have someone 
> waiting for a print and I'm 
> > completely stuck.
> 
>   Sarah
> 
> I am going to start by apologizing: you probably won't like what I 
> am about to write.  I have been having the same problems that you 
> describe since I bought my r1800.  I have been throwing good money 
> after bad.  It is a daytime nightmare. I suggest you dispose of the 
> printer and buy something else.
> 
> First I used carts from MIS and now I have a continuous flow 
> system.  I use Eboni in the Y, MK and PK slots and PKN in the R, B 
> and C slots.  I seldom get all working properly but sometimes I can 
> use either the Eboni or PKN inks.  
> 
> The cleaning cycle Epson has on this machine is aggressive.  It 
> creates bubbles in the cart and the ink does not flow.  I do not 
> think I have particulate clogs.  I suspect the use of this 
> aggressive cleaning system was a matter of Epson policy to increase 
> its ink sales.  I think more ink has been through the waste outlet 
> onto the pads than onto paper.  I have had to have the counter reset 
> and the soak pads changed at a cost of £125 cUS$220.
> 
> I have used a syringe to draw out the ink through the cart exit. 
> (see the post above).  I no longer switch off the machine because, 
> when you switch on, those lovely people at Epson designed the 
> machine to do a head clean.  Someone once told me that, at the close 
> of business each working day, top Epson Executives in Japan roll 
> about on the floor laughing at the money they are making from their 
> inks.
> 
> Before that change, using the Epson maintenance routine, I was back 
> to a nearly white piece of paper after doing the nozzle checks.
> 
> This morning I ran the SSC utility.  I wonder if it is less 
> aggressive than the Epson one or if I am deluding myself.  I 
> started, would you believe with perfect nozzle checks in the MK and 
> PK positions.  I printed a half page of the purge file from MIS.  
> Ran the SSC cleaning cycle and had perfect nozzle checks for the B, 
> PK, MK, and C positions.  In both cases ink was flowing in the other 
> channels but there were about 10% gaps.  I printed a half purge page 
> again, and went to walk the dog – yes, the dog not the printer.  The 
> printer is lucky I don't kick dogs!
> 
> I ran another SSC cleaning cycle and nozzle check.  The Y, M and C 
> channels were perfect but ink from the MK and PK nozzles only fired 
> through about 10% of the nozzles. No ink flowed at all  through the 
> R and B carts.  Go figure!
> 
> I will wait three hours and try again.
> 
> Colin
>

> this one. 
> 
> "Diappointed' hardly covers it.
> 
> thanks all,
> Sarah

>
> Hello,
> 
> I am sorry to read about your frustrating experience.
> 
> Reading that money is tight and that this one will have to do for a
> year here are my suggestions:
> 
> 1- Feed it only from the rear with 8.5x11 or larger paper. Make final
> prints on any high quality paper and proofs and normal prints on cheap
> matte (yet excellent) PremierArt BW or RedRiver Polar Matte.
> 
> 2- If you do not need to print in color, next time a color cart gets
> empty cause of cleaning cycles etc. put your money for this one cart
> toward empty refillable carts. Fill them with Paul Roark's homemade
> clear Carbon-6 base (without the Photoflo, so it's a simple mix of
> distilled water and glycerin U.S.P.). If you cannot find empties, buy
> cleaning carts from MIS and replace the chips with your Epson cart
> chips (it's easy and works fine). Chip reseter needed. 
> 
> I've been running my R1800 like this for months and it's the only
> system-ink type that reliably provides top quality prints.
> 
> Tried colors, OEM color, diluted expensive grey water etc. and the
> best from that printer always came with this simple and very
> innexpensive 3MK+water-glycerin setup.
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes"
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > Colin, don't apologize. I am thankful to be hearing frm those of you
> that have had issues 
> > with this printer, because before I decided to get one (it is used,
> no warranty), I read only 
> > glowing reports about them, in specific reference to the 3Mk method
> of printing. There 
> > wasn't anything negative on the board here that would have made me
> pause. Your report 
> > is certainly not a good one by a long shot...so sorry!
> > 
> 
> > I have dashed to Staples three times now when the ink has run out in
> a color position, 
> > which prevents me from printing or even loading paper. It is AWFUL.
> I called an Epson tech 
> > and he confirmed that all operation stops when any of the cartridges
> are out (or READ as 
> > out, since I know they still have ink in them!). My 2200 would let
> me print BO even if a 
> > color ink showed empty. Not this one.
> > 
> > I do intend to purchase a refilling kit to at least fill the Eboni
> carts myself. Other than that 
> > I may just lay my head down on the desk and have a good cry. And
> begin the saving 
> > process all over again for another printer. I waited a year before
> being able to purchase 
> > this one. 
> > 
> > "Diappointed' hardly covers it.
> > 
> > thanks all,
> > Sarah
>

On 10/21/2008 at 10:38 PM Sarah Renkes wrote:

>Colin, don't apologize. I am thankful to be hearing frm those of you that
>have had issues 
>with this printer, because before I decided to get one (it is used, no
>warranty), I read only 
>glowing reports about them, in specific reference to the 3Mk method of
>printing. There 
>wasn't anything negative on the board here that would have made me pause.
>Your report 
>is certainly not a good one by a long shot...so sorry!
>
>If only i had done more homework on other forums, I would have read the
>countless 
>frustrated pleas from others trying to solve the very same problems I'm
>having with 
>it....and I would have re-thought my choice. That said, however, I
>absolutely love the look 
>of the 3MK print I did manage to squeak out, so it is all doubly maddening.
>
>I have gone through an entire set of color inks already, but have only
>made ONE print, and 
>a 3MK one at that. My paper feed probelms mean that I have to keep
>shutting off the 
>printer to get the red paper light to stop flashing....just deleting the
>print job will not 
>suffice. So, every time I try to feed paper through the front loader and
>it fails, the red light 
>goes on, and won't go off or let me attempt another print job until I shut
>the printer off. Anyone know how to reset this differently?  I am on a mac
>so the  SSC utility is not an 
>option for me, unfortunately.
>
>I have dashed to Staples three times now when the ink has run out in a
>color position, 
>which prevents me from printing or even loading paper. It is AWFUL. I
>called an Epson tech 
>and he confirmed that all operation stops when any of the cartridges are
>out (or READ as 
>out, since I know they still have ink in them!). My 2200 would let me
>print BO even if a 
>color ink showed empty. Not this one.
>
>I do intend to purchase a refilling kit to at least fill the Eboni carts
>myself. Other than that 
>I may just lay my head down on the desk and have a good cry. And begin the
>saving 
>process all over again for another printer. I waited a year before being
>able to purchase 
>this one. 
>
>"Diappointed' hardly covers it.
>
>thanks all,
>Sarah
>
>
>
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "colingruk"
><ColinJConway@...> 
>wrote:
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes" 
>> <sagaface@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Darn it. I'm not filling these carts myself. This my first set and 
>> I bought them already filled 
>> > from MIS. I don't have the equipment to do what you have suggested.
>> > 
>> > yikes. this is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I have someone 
>> waiting for a print and I'm 
>> > completely stuck.
>> 
>>   Sarah
>> 
>> I am going to start by apologizing: you probably won't like what I 
>> am about to write.  I have been having the same problems that you 
>> describe since I bought my r1800.  I have been throwing good money 
>> after bad.  It is a daytime nightmare. I suggest you dispose of the 
>> printer and buy something else.
>> 
>> First I used carts from MIS and now I have a continuous flow 
>> system.  I use Eboni in the Y, MK and PK slots and PKN in the R, B 
>> and C slots.  I seldom get all working properly but sometimes I can 
>> use either the Eboni or PKN inks.  
>> 
>> The cleaning cycle Epson has on this machine is aggressive.  It 
>> creates bubbles in the cart and the ink does not flow.  I do not 
>> think I have particulate clogs.  I suspect the use of this 
>> aggressive cleaning system was a matter of Epson policy to increase 
>> its ink sales.  I think more ink has been through the waste outlet 
>> onto the pads than onto paper.  I have had to have the counter reset 
>> and the soak pads changed at a cost of £125 cUS$220.
>> 
>> I have used a syringe to draw out the ink through the cart exit. 
>> (see the post above).  I no longer switch off the machine because, 
>> when you switch on, those lovely people at Epson designed the 
>> machine to do a head clean.  Someone once told me that, at the close 
>> of business each working day, top Epson Executives in Japan roll 
>> about on the floor laughing at the money they are making from their 
>> inks.
>> 
>> Before that change, using the Epson maintenance routine, I was back 
>> to a nearly white piece of paper after doing the nozzle checks.
>> 
>> This morning I ran the SSC utility.  I wonder if it is less 
>> aggressive than the Epson one or if I am deluding myself.  I 
>> started, would you believe with perfect nozzle checks in the MK and 
>> PK positions.  I printed a half page of the purge file from MIS.  
>> Ran the SSC cleaning cycle and had perfect nozzle checks for the B, 
>> PK, MK, and C positions.  In both cases ink was flowing in the other 
>> channels but there were about 10% gaps.  I printed a half purge page 
>> again, and went to walk the dog – yes, the dog not the printer.  The 
>> printer is lucky I don't kick dogs!
>> 
>> I ran another SSC cleaning cycle and nozzle check.  The Y, M and C 
>> channels were perfect but ink from the MK and PK nozzles only fired 
>> through about 10% of the nozzles. No ink flowed at all  through the 
>> R and B carts.  Go figure!
>> 
>> I will wait three hours and try again.
>> 
>> Colin
>>
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> I would 3x5 card the seperate problems and work your way through them one at a time.
> 
> gar
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> On 10/21/2008 at 10:38 PM Sarah Renkes wrote:
> 
> >Colin, don't apologize. I am thankful to be hearing frm those of you that
> >have had issues 
> >with this printer, because before I decided to get one (it is used, no
> >warranty), I read only 
> >glowing reports about them, in specific reference to the 3Mk method of
> >printing. There 
> >wasn't anything negative on the board here that would have made me pause.
> >Your report 
> >is certainly not a good one by a long shot...so sorry!
> >
> >If only i had done more homework on other forums, I would have read the
> >countless 
> >frustrated pleas from others trying to solve the very same problems I'm
> >having with 
> >it....and I would have re-thought my choice. That said, however, I
> >absolutely love the look 
> >of the 3MK print I did manage to squeak out, so it is all doubly maddening.
> >
> >I have gone through an entire set of color inks already, but have only
> >made ONE print, and 
> >a 3MK one at that. My paper feed probelms mean that I have to keep
> >shutting off the 
> >printer to get the red paper light to stop flashing....just deleting the
> >print job will not 
> >suffice. So, every time I try to feed paper through the front loader and
> >it fails, the red light 
> >goes on, and won't go off or let me attempt another print job until I shut
> >the printer off. Anyone know how to reset this differently?  I am on a mac
> >so the  SSC utility is not an 
> >option for me, unfortunately.
> >
> >I have dashed to Staples three times now when the ink has run out in a
> >color position, 
> >which prevents me from printing or even loading paper. It is AWFUL. I
> >called an Epson tech 
> >and he confirmed that all operation stops when any of the cartridges are
> >out (or READ as 
> >out, since I know they still have ink in them!). My 2200 would let me
> >print BO even if a 
> >color ink showed empty. Not this one.
> >
> >I do intend to purchase a refilling kit to at least fill the Eboni carts
> >myself. Other than that 
> >I may just lay my head down on the desk and have a good cry. And begin the
> >saving 
> >process all over again for another printer. I waited a year before being
> >able to purchase 
> >this one. 
> >
> >"Diappointed' hardly covers it.
> >
> >thanks all,
> >Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "colingruk"
> ><ColinJConway@> 
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Renkes" 
> >> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Darn it. I'm not filling these carts myself. This my first set and 
> >> I bought them already filled 
> >> > from MIS. I don't have the equipment to do what you have suggested.
> >> > 
> >> > yikes. this is turning into a bit of a nightmare. I have someone 
> >> waiting for a print and I'm 
> >> > completely stuck.
> >> 
> >>   Sarah
> >> 
> >> I am going to start by apologizing: you probably won't like what I 
> >> am about to write.  I have been having the same problems that you 
> >> describe since I bought my r1800.  I have been throwing good money 
> >> after bad.  It is a daytime nightmare. I suggest you dispose of the 
> >> printer and buy something else.
> >> 
> >> First I used carts from MIS and now I have a continuous flow 
> >> system.  I use Eboni in the Y, MK and PK slots and PKN in the R, B 
> >> and C slots.  I seldom get all working properly but sometimes I can 
> >> use either the Eboni or PKN inks.  
> >> 
> >> The cleaning cycle Epson has on this machine is aggressive.  It 
> >> creates bubbles in the cart and the ink does not flow.  I do not 
> >> think I have particulate clogs.  I suspect the use of this 
> >> aggressive cleaning system was a matter of Epson policy to increase 
> >> its ink sales.  I think more ink has been through the waste outlet 
> >> onto the pads than onto paper.  I have had to have the counter reset 
> >> and the soak pads changed at a cost of £125 cUS$220.
> >> 
> >> I have used a syringe to draw out the ink through the cart exit. 
> >> (see the post above).  I no longer switch off the machine because, 
> >> when you switch on, those lovely people at Epson designed the 
> >> machine to do a head clean.  Someone once told me that, at the close 
> >> of business each working day, top Epson Executives in Japan roll 
> >> about on the floor laughing at the money they are making from their 
> >> inks.
> >> 
> >> Before that change, using the Epson maintenance routine, I was back 
> >> to a nearly white piece of paper after doing the nozzle checks.
> >> 
> >> This morning I ran the SSC utility.  I wonder if it is less 
> >> aggressive than the Epson one or if I am deluding myself.  I 
> >> started, would you believe with perfect nozzle checks in the MK and 
> >> PK positions.  I printed a half page of the purge file from MIS.  
> >> Ran the SSC cleaning cycle and had perfect nozzle checks for the B, 
> >> PK, MK, and C positions.  In both cases ink was flowing in the other 
> >> channels but there were about 10% gaps.  I printed a half purge page 
> >> again, and went to walk the dog – yes, the dog not the printer.  The 
> >> printer is lucky I don't kick dogs!
> >> 
> >> I ran another SSC cleaning cycle and nozzle check.  The Y, M and C 
> >> channels were perfect but ink from the MK and PK nozzles only fired 
> >> through about 10% of the nozzles. No ink flowed at all  through the 
> >> R and B carts.  Go figure!
> >> 
> >> I will wait three hours and try again.
> >> 
> >> Colin
> >>
> >
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "colingruk" 
> <ColinJConway@> wrote:
> >
> > I ran another SSC cleaning cycle and nozzle check.  The Y, M and C 
> > channels were perfect but ink from the MK and PK nozzles only 
> fired 
> > through about 10% of the nozzles. No ink flowed at all  through 
> the 
> > R and B carts.  Go figure!
> > 
> > I will wait three hours and try again.
> > 
> > Colin
> >
> This is an update to my post in message  9377.
> 
> After the wait, and head cleaning there was no significant 
> improvement.  Until later in the day.  Before I went out yesterday 
> the position improved considerably.
> 
> This morning after the first clean there were two gaps, each next to 
> the other in a corner of the blue channel and two gaps in the PK 
> channel, one in each corner.  The next cycle was fine in the PK 
> channel but two gaps, in different locations in the blue channel.  
> The next cycle showed that there were two gap positions in the blue 
> channel, but not in the same places as before, and a gap occurred in 
> the red channel.
> 
> I printed a further half page of the purge file asked for a nozzle 
> check.  I don't know how it happened but a cleaning cycle 
> commenced.  After this all channels were fine except the red channel 
> which only printed half the nozzles.  And I was so close!   I need 
> this channel to profile some sample sheets of HPRBaryta 315 gsm.  
> (Des anyone have such a profile using MIS RC Easy Neutral RCN-4-PK?)
> 
> Not knowing what the Auto Head Cleaning function did, but I hoped it 
> might just sense that the red channel needed cleaning, I tried it.  
> The error message said to the effect that it had not been successful 
> and to do a manual clean.  I did this and only the yellow and cyan 
> channels are working properly.
> 
> In this period the machine has been kept on so the heads have not 
> been I contact with the sponge pads.
> 
> That was late afternoon.  A bit ago I ran another nozzle check.  The 
> Y, M and C positions were OK, the others about 80% OK.  After 
> printing a purge file, cleaning again and another nozzle check. The 
> Y, M, C and B channels are OK and the others worse.  With one more 
> try the M and C channels are OK.  The Y is bout 60% OK and the MK 
> about 40% OK.  The other channels have little or no ink flowing.
> 
> Any suggestions would be welcome.
> 
> Colin
>