QTR-Quadtone RIP

If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my case)
and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.

Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I thought 
I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with Eboni  
3-MK.
 I was pleasantly suprised by the result.

My QTR settings were:

Type: Matte
Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook

If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile. 
Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(

Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.

Scott

I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files folder  
archive.  The profile is for  MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B  
positions with GLOP in the GL channel.  The paper is designed for  
photo black ink.  Unless you spray your prints, I would think that  
Eboni might rub off quite easily.

Carl

On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:

> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my case)
> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
>
> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I thought
> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with Eboni
> 3-MK.
>  I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
>
> My QTR settings were:
>
> Type: Matte
> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
>
> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
>
> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
>
> Scott
>

Carl,

I found exactly that.  Eboni smears on Ilford Gold Silk, besides I 
don't like the look.  Seems a mismatch to me, since the matte ink is 
very matte and the paper has quite a sheen to it.  

Lou

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>
The paper is designed for  

> photo black ink.  Unless you spray your prints, I would think that  
> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
> 
> Carl

I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the  ink was to be put in all three carts as the ink in each one was the same  . Why then, and how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots. 
   
  Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on matter papers. 
   
  I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
  thanks
  Frank

Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
          I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files folder 
archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B 
positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for 
photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that 
Eboni might rub off quite easily.

Carl

On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:

> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my case)
> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
>
> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I thought
> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with Eboni
> 3-MK.
> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
>
> My QTR settings were:
>
> Type: Matte
> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
>
> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
>
> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
>
> Scott
>


                         


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Frank,

If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put  
inks in any slots you want to use.  If you want to use Paul's  
profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions for  
Eboni.  My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink  
positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the  
GL position.  This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or  
without glop for the latter.  All of the profiles I have put in the  
archive are for this ink configuration.  If you want to use different  
ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.   
The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink.  They also have a warm  
and cool PK.

Carl Schofield
http://photos.schophoto.com




On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:

> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I  
> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was  
> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a  
> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the  ink was to be put in all  
> three carts as the ink in each one was the same  . Why then, and  
> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
>
>   Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only  
> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on  
> matter papers.
>
>   I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I  
> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
>   thanks
>   Frank
>
> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>           I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files  
> folder
> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
>
> Carl
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
>
>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my case)
>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
>>
>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I  
>> thought
>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with Eboni
>> 3-MK.
>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
>>
>> My QTR settings were:
>>
>> Type: Matte
>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
>>
>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
>>
>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>


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Ok, thanks.
  I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just as well because my skill level at this, being I am  new to it, doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers, which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.? 
  thanks for the help carl
  Frank

Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
          Frank,

If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put 
inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's 
profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions for 
Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink 
positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the 
GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or 
without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the 
archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different 
ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments. 
The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm 
and cool PK.

Carl Schofield
http://photos.schophoto.com

On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:

> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I 
> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was 
> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a 
> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all 
> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and 
> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
>
> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only 
> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on 
> matter papers.
>
> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I 
> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
> thanks
> Frank
>
> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files 
> folder
> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
>
> Carl
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
>
>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my case)
>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
>>
>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I 
>> thought
>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with Eboni
>> 3-MK.
>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
>>
>> My QTR settings were:
>>
>> Type: Matte
>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
>>
>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
>>
>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>

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Hi Lou,

Did you make a profile for Gold Fibre Silk?

If so, would you mind posting it for others to try, or e-mail it to 
me...?

Thanks,
Scott

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lou@...> wrote:

>
> Carl,
> 
> I found exactly that.  Eboni smears on Ilford Gold Silk, besides I 
> don't like the look.  Seems a mismatch to me, since the matte ink is 
> very matte and the paper has quite a sheen to it.  
> 
> Lou
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >
> The paper is designed for  
> > photo black ink.  Unless you spray your prints, I would think that  
> > Eboni might rub off quite easily.
> > 
> > Carl
>

Frank,

Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to  
try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like  
that look.  It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for  
some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.

Carl Schofield
http://photos.schophoto.com




On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:

> Ok, thanks.
>   I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just  
> as well because my skill level at this, being I am  new to it,  
> doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying  
> is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other  
> black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy  
> papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers,  
> which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also  
> or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
>   thanks for the help carl
>   Frank
>
> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>           Frank,
>
> If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
> inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
> profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions for
> Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
> positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
> GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
> without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
> archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
> ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
> The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
> and cool PK.
>
> Carl Schofield
> http://photos.schophoto.com
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
>
>> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
>> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
>> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
>> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
>> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
>> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
>>
>> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
>> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
>> matter papers.
>>
>> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
>> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
>> thanks
>> Frank
>>
>> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
>> folder
>> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
>> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
>> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
>> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my  
>>> case)
>>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
>>>
>>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
>>> thought
>>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with  
>>> Eboni
>>> 3-MK.
>>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
>>>
>>> My QTR settings were:
>>>
>>> Type: Matte
>>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
>>>
>>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
>>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>


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Scott,

I did build a set of profiles for Ilford Gold Silk for my 4000.  They 
were done using the MISPro Color inkset using their PK ink.  They also 
used Plot Lists for the original curves, which I find I prefer.  So, 
this is not a typical setup for most people.  If you are interested, 
let me know and I will either post them or email them to you.  

Lou


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Lou,
> 
> Did you make a profile for Gold Fibre Silk?
> 
> If so, would you mind posting it for others to try, or e-mail it to 
> me...?
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott

Thanks Carl, I appreciate your help. 
  I have some testing to do I see.,
  Frank

Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
          Frank,

Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to 
try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like 
that look. It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for 
some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.

Carl Schofield
http://photos.schophoto.com

On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:

> Ok, thanks.
> I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just 
> as well because my skill level at this, being I am new to it, 
> doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying 
> is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other 
> black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy 
> papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers, 
> which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also 
> or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
> thanks for the help carl
> Frank
>
> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
> Frank,
>
> If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
> inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
> profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions for
> Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
> positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
> GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
> without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
> archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
> ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
> The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
> and cool PK.
>
> Carl Schofield
> http://photos.schophoto.com
>
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
>
>> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
>> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
>> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
>> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
>> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
>> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
>>
>> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
>> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
>> matter papers.
>>
>> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
>> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
>> thanks
>> Frank
>>
>> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
>> folder
>> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
>> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
>> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
>> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my 
>>> case)
>>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
>>>
>>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
>>> thought
>>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with 
>>> Eboni
>>> 3-MK.
>>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
>>>
>>> My QTR settings were:
>>>
>>> Type: Matte
>>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
>>>
>>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
>>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>

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Hello,
I tried the GGFS on my 3800 using K3 glossy black and I thought the tones
and look were great but the image was very sensitive to anything touching it
and the ink could be rubbed off. Has anyone else had this problem?
Gary W.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Louis Dina
  Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:52 AM
  To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk


  Carl,

  I found exactly that. Eboni smears on Ilford Gold Silk, besides I
  don't like the look. Seems a mismatch to me, since the matte ink is
  very matte and the paper has quite a sheen to it.

  Lou


  .
  


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Gary,

I have used the MISPro color inks (their PK black) with Ilford Gold 
Silk and they seemed just fine.  No problem from what I could tell.  
I also tried the Eboni Black, just out of curiousity, and I found 
that the Eboni definitely rubbed off and smudged.  Love the paper 
with the glossy inkset.  Haven't tried it with the K3 inkset.  

Lou

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gcwagner" <gcwagner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I tried the GGFS on my 3800 using K3 glossy black and I thought the 
tones
> and look were great but the image was very sensitive to anything 
touching it
> and the ink could be rubbed off. Has anyone else had this problem?
> Gary W.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Louis Dina
>   Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:52 AM
>   To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk
> 
> 
>   Carl,
> 
>   I found exactly that. Eboni smears on Ilford Gold Silk, besides I
>   don't like the look. Seems a mismatch to me, since the matte ink 
is

>   very matte and the paper has quite a sheen to it.
> 
>   Lou
> 
> 
>   .
>   
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Lou,

Thanks for the offer. I forgot that you had the 4000. I was thinking 
you had a 4800 like I do.

Have you decided on a new printer yet...?

Scott

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lou@...> wrote:
>
> Scott,
> 
> I did build a set of profiles for Ilford Gold Silk for my 4000.  
They 
> were done using the MISPro Color inkset using their PK ink.  They 
also 
> used Plot Lists for the original curves, which I find I prefer.  
So, 
> this is not a typical setup for most people.  If you are 
interested, 
> let me know and I will either post them or email them to you.  
> 
> Lou
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
> <scott_now_coming@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lou,
> > 
> > Did you make a profile for Gold Fibre Silk?
> > 
> > If so, would you mind posting it for others to try, or e-mail it 
to 

> > me...?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Scott
>

Hi Gary,

I used the Eboni 3-MK approach with the IGGFS. 
Yes, if i pressed my finger had across the print, I got a little ink 
on my finger. Not much though. Hardly noticable, on the print or my 
finger.

I'm sure a light coat or two of a fixative would cure that concern.

What really impressed me was there was NO gloss differential at all. 
I mean NONE.

No matter how bright the light source was, and no matter what angle 
to the light I bent the photo or turned it, there was NO gloss diff.

Again, I was using the R800 w/3Eboni carts installed and printing 
through QTR.

Scott



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gcwagner" <gcwagner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I tried the GGFS on my 3800 using K3 glossy black and I thought the 
tones
> and look were great but the image was very sensitive to anything 
touching it
> and the ink could be rubbed off. Has anyone else had this problem?
> Gary W.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Louis Dina
>   Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:52 AM
>   To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk
> 
> 
>   Carl,
> 
>   I found exactly that. Eboni smears on Ilford Gold Silk, besides I
>   don't like the look. Seems a mismatch to me, since the matte ink 
is

>   very matte and the paper has quite a sheen to it.
> 
>   Lou
> 
> 
>   .
>   
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@...> wrote:
 
> Have you decided on a new printer yet...?

Yes....I take delivery today on a new Canon iPF6100, 24" wide, with 12 
ink set.  Got a great holiday deal from Shades of Paper.  I am hoping 
it fits the bill.  It has full time PK and MK inks, wide gamut, good 
blacks, etc.  Since I print on matte and glossy papers, both color and 
B&W, sheet and roll, I have a lot of challenges for this machine.  I 
hear it has a different interface, a bit of a learning curve and a few 
quirks of its own, but they all do.  Feedback I have gotten from others 
suggests this printer rarely if ever clogs.  That would be bliss, and 
my fingers are crossed.

Lou

Great!, Lou. Let us know how it works out for you.

(Reecntly, my 4800 has been clogging constantly if I don't print 
every day. So, I tried "the sponge trick". So far, so good. I, too, 
have fingers crossed!)

Scott

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lou@...> wrote:
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
> <scott_now_coming@> wrote:
>  
> > Have you decided on a new printer yet...?
> 
> Yes....I take delivery today on a new Canon iPF6100, 24" wide, with 
12 
> ink set.  Got a great holiday deal from Shades of Paper.  I am 
hoping 
> it fits the bill.  It has full time PK and MK inks, wide gamut, 
good 
> blacks, etc.  Since I print on matte and glossy papers, both color 
and 
> B&W, sheet and roll, I have a lot of challenges for this machine.  
I 
> hear it has a different interface, a bit of a learning curve and a 
few 
> quirks of its own, but they all do.  Feedback I have gotten from 
others 
> suggests this printer rarely if ever clogs.  That would be bliss, 
and 

> my fingers are crossed.
> 
> Lou
>

What is the "sponge trick"?
Carl
On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:51 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:

> Great!, Lou. Let us know how it works out for you.
>
> (Reecntly, my 4800 has been clogging constantly if I don't print
> every day. So, I tried "the sponge trick". So far, so good. I, too,
> have fingers crossed!)
>
> Scott
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lou@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming"
> > <scott_now_coming@> wrote:
> >
> > > Have you decided on a new printer yet...?
> >
> > Yes....I take delivery today on a new Canon iPF6100, 24" wide, with
> 12
> > ink set. Got a great holiday deal from Shades of Paper. I am
> hoping
> > it fits the bill. It has full time PK and MK inks, wide gamut,
> good
> > blacks, etc. Since I print on matte and glossy papers, both color
> and
> > B&W, sheet and roll, I have a lot of challenges for this machine.
> I
> > hear it has a different interface, a bit of a learning curve and a
> few
> > quirks of its own, but they all do. Feedback I have gotten from
> others
> > suggests this printer rarely if ever clogs. That would be bliss,
> and
> > my fingers are crossed.
> >
> > Lou
> >
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Carl,

You wet a sponge, wet but not dripping wet, open the cover, and set 
inside the printer,with the printer turned off. Then, close the lid. 
Leave it inside until you're ready to print again. REMOVE THE SPONGE 
BEFORE TURNING ON THE PRINTER.

I set my sponge inside, all the way on the left side of the printer.

I haven't had a clogged nozzle since doing this. I never tried it 
before now because I never really had a clogged nozzle problem. But, 
within the last year, I've had many clogged nozzles. I didn't think 
it was a "humidity problem" because the printer has remained in the 
same room, under the same conditions, since new.

 I assumed my clogged nozzles were due to the aging process of the 
printer. However, the wet sponge has worked for me (so far!).

Scott

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, CARL QUEDENFELD 
<surftilsunset@...> wrote:
>
> What is the "sponge trick"?
> Carl
> On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:51 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> 
> > Great!, Lou. Let us know how it works out for you.
> >
> > (Reecntly, my 4800 has been clogging constantly if I don't print
> > every day. So, I tried "the sponge trick". So far, so good. I, 
too,
> > have fingers crossed!)
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lou@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming"
> > > <scott_now_coming@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Have you decided on a new printer yet...?
> > >
> > > Yes....I take delivery today on a new Canon iPF6100, 24" wide, 
with
> > 12
> > > ink set. Got a great holiday deal from Shades of Paper. I am
> > hoping
> > > it fits the bill. It has full time PK and MK inks, wide gamut,
> > good
> > > blacks, etc. Since I print on matte and glossy papers, both 
color
> > and
> > > B&W, sheet and roll, I have a lot of challenges for this 
machine.
> > I
> > > hear it has a different interface, a bit of a learning curve 
and a

> > few
> > > quirks of its own, but they all do. Feedback I have gotten from
> > others
> > > suggests this printer rarely if ever clogs. That would be bliss,
> > and
> > > my fingers are crossed.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

At 09:42 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote:

>Hi Carl,
>
>You wet a sponge, wet but not dripping wet, open the cover, and set
>inside the printer,with the printer turned off. Then, close the lid.
>Leave it inside until you're ready to print again. REMOVE THE SPONGE
>BEFORE TURNING ON THE PRINTER.

Or you can live in South Carolina ;-)  I've never had a problem with 
clogging with my Epson 3000's, 2400, 4800, or R220.  Just keep the 
humidity about the level of a sauna and you'll be fine.

Tina


Tina Manley
ASMP, NPPA, EP, PI
http://www.tinamanley.com

Tina,
Thanks so much for the explanation.  In Indiana moisture is hard to  
come by at times.  BTW, I checked out your web site.  Absolutely  
awesome photos, you inspire me and remind me what photography is about.
CARL QUEDENFELD
surftilsunset@...



On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:59 PM, Tina Manley wrote:

> At 09:42 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Carl,
> >
> >You wet a sponge, wet but not dripping wet, open the cover, and set
> >inside the printer,with the printer turned off. Then, close the lid.
> >Leave it inside until you're ready to print again. REMOVE THE SPONGE
> >BEFORE TURNING ON THE PRINTER.
>
> Or you can live in South Carolina ;-) I've never had a problem with
> clogging with my Epson 3000's, 2400, 4800, or R220. Just keep the
> humidity about the level of a sauna and you'll be fine.
>
> Tina
>
> Tina Manley
> ASMP, NPPA, EP, PI
> http://www.tinamanley.com
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Scott appreciate the info
CARL QUEDENFELD
surftilsunset@...



On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:42 PM, scott_now_coming wrote:

> Hi Carl,
>
> You wet a sponge, wet but not dripping wet, open the cover, and set
> inside the printer,with the printer turned off. Then, close the lid.
> Leave it inside until you're ready to print again. REMOVE THE SPONGE
> BEFORE TURNING ON THE PRINTER.
>
> I set my sponge inside, all the way on the left side of the printer.
>
> I haven't had a clogged nozzle since doing this. I never tried it
> before now because I never really had a clogged nozzle problem. But,
> within the last year, I've had many clogged nozzles. I didn't think
> it was a "humidity problem" because the printer has remained in the
> same room, under the same conditions, since new.
>
> I assumed my clogged nozzles were due to the aging process of the
> printer. However, the wet sponge has worked for me (so far!).
>
> Scott
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, CARL QUEDENFELD
> <surftilsunset@...> wrote:
> >
> > What is the "sponge trick"?
> > Carl
> > On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:51 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> >
> > > Great!, Lou. Let us know how it works out for you.
> > >
> > > (Reecntly, my 4800 has been clogging constantly if I don't print
> > > every day. So, I tried "the sponge trick". So far, so good. I,
> too,
> > > have fingers crossed!)
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" <lou@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming"
> > > > <scott_now_coming@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Have you decided on a new printer yet...?
> > > >
> > > > Yes....I take delivery today on a new Canon iPF6100, 24" wide,
> with
> > > 12
> > > > ink set. Got a great holiday deal from Shades of Paper. I am
> > > hoping
> > > > it fits the bill. It has full time PK and MK inks, wide gamut,
> > > good
> > > > blacks, etc. Since I print on matte and glossy papers, both
> color
> > > and
> > > > B&W, sheet and roll, I have a lot of challenges for this
> machine.
> > > I
> > > > hear it has a different interface, a bit of a learning curve
> and a
> > > few
> > > > quirks of its own, but they all do. Feedback I have gotten from
> > > others
> > > > suggests this printer rarely if ever clogs. That would be bliss,
> > > and
> > > > my fingers are crossed.
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Carl,

I've been reading these posts – especially this one – because I also want to print with an 
1800 on GFS paper. Is RC Neutral PK originally for the R260, 280, et al? Should I be using 
a CFS? Thanks for your patience.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frank Jay <frankjay02@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Carl, I appreciate your help. 
>   I have some testing to do I see.,
>   Frank
> 
> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>           Frank,
> 
> Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to 
> try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like 
> that look. It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for 
> some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.
> 
> Carl Schofield
> http://photos.schophoto.com
> 
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> 
> > Ok, thanks.
> > I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just 
> > as well because my skill level at this, being I am new to it, 
> > doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying 
> > is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other 
> > black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy 
> > papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers, 
> > which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also 
> > or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
> > thanks for the help carl
> > Frank
> >
> > Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
> > Frank,
> >
> > If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
> > inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
> > profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions for
> > Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
> > positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
> > GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
> > without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
> > archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
> > ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
> > The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
> > and cool PK.
> >
> > Carl Schofield
> > http://photos.schophoto.com
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> >
> >> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
> >> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
> >> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
> >> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
> >> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
> >> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
> >>
> >> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
> >> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
> >> matter papers.
> >>
> >> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
> >> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
> >> thanks
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
> >> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
> >> folder
> >> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
> >> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
> >> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
> >> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> >>
> >>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my 
> >>> case)
> >>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
> >>>
> >>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
> >>> thought
> >>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with 
> >>> Eboni
> >>> 3-MK.
> >>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
> >>>
> >>> My QTR settings were:
> >>>
> >>> Type: Matte
> >>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
> >>>
> >>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
> >>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
> >>>
> >>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
>                          
> 
> 
> "The luckiest dogs are those with clipped tails....they're the ones who won't be chasing 
their own arses."

>        
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Joseph,

Paul Roark and I have been working on some profiles for printing to  
Ilford Gold Silk and other fiber/RC papers using Eboni, PK, and  
Glop.  Paul will be posting his workflow notes on his website.  The  
profiles are still evolving, but if you want to experiment let me  
know and I can send you my most recent profile for Ilford Gold Silk.   
I'm thinking of setting up a CIS, but not until the inks for this  
process have been finalized.  Right now I'm just refilling carts and  
my setup consists of three Eboni channels, three PK (I've been trying  
several PK versions) channels, and two Glop channels.  If you just  
want to print with just three PK inks and glop I also have a profile  
for that.  The combined Eboni/PK prints with a glop overlay have very  
high dmax (about 3.0) and have a lot of depth.

Carl Schofield
http://photos.schophoto.com




On Feb 16, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Joseph wrote:

> Carl,
>
> I've been reading these posts � especially this one � because I  
> also want to print with an
> 1800 on GFS paper. Is RC Neutral PK originally for the R260, 280,  
> et al? Should I be using
> a CFS? Thanks for your patience.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frank Jay <frankjay02@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Carl, I appreciate your help.
>>   I have some testing to do I see.,
>>   Frank
>>
>> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>>           Frank,
>>
>> Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to
>> try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like
>> that look. It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for
>> some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.
>>
>> Carl Schofield
>> http://photos.schophoto.com
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, thanks.
>>> I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just
>>> as well because my skill level at this, being I am new to it,
>>> doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying
>>> is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other
>>> black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy
>>> papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers,
>>> which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also
>>> or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
>>> thanks for the help carl
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
>>> inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
>>> profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions  
>>> for
>>> Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
>>> positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
>>> GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
>>> without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
>>> archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
>>> ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
>>> The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
>>> and cool PK.
>>>
>>> Carl Schofield
>>> http://photos.schophoto.com
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
>>>> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
>>>> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
>>>> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
>>>> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
>>>> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
>>>>
>>>> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
>>>> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
>>>> matter papers.
>>>>
>>>> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
>>>> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
>>>> thanks
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>>>> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
>>>> folder
>>>> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
>>>> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
>>>> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
>>>> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my
>>>>> case)
>>>>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
>>>>> thought
>>>>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with
>>>>> Eboni
>>>>> 3-MK.
>>>>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
>>>>>
>>>>> My QTR settings were:
>>>>>
>>>>> Type: Matte
>>>>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
>>>>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The luckiest dogs are those with clipped tails....they're the  
>> ones who won't be chasing
> their own arses."
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!  
>> Mobile.  Try it now.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Carl,

Yeah, I would love to start experimenting with this method. Also, how are you going about 
filling your cartridges as this is becoming more and more of an issue with the whole patent 
crises.

Regards
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:

>
> Joseph,
> 
> Paul Roark and I have been working on some profiles for printing to  
> Ilford Gold Silk and other fiber/RC papers using Eboni, PK, and  
> Glop.  Paul will be posting his workflow notes on his website.  The  
> profiles are still evolving, but if you want to experiment let me  
> know and I can send you my most recent profile for Ilford Gold Silk.   
> I'm thinking of setting up a CIS, but not until the inks for this  
> process have been finalized.  Right now I'm just refilling carts and  
> my setup consists of three Eboni channels, three PK (I've been trying  
> several PK versions) channels, and two Glop channels.  If you just  
> want to print with just three PK inks and glop I also have a profile  
> for that.  The combined Eboni/PK prints with a glop overlay have very  
> high dmax (about 3.0) and have a lot of depth.
> 
> Carl Schofield
> http://photos.schophoto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Joseph wrote:
> 
> > Carl,
> >
> > I've been reading these posts – especially this one – because I  
> > also want to print with an
> > 1800 on GFS paper. Is RC Neutral PK originally for the R260, 280,  
> > et al? Should I be using
> > a CFS? Thanks for your patience.
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frank Jay <frankjay02@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Carl, I appreciate your help.
> >>   I have some testing to do I see.,
> >>   Frank
> >>
> >> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >>           Frank,
> >>
> >> Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to
> >> try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like
> >> that look. It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for
> >> some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.
> >>
> >> Carl Schofield
> >> http://photos.schophoto.com
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ok, thanks.
> >>> I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just
> >>> as well because my skill level at this, being I am new to it,
> >>> doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying
> >>> is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other
> >>> black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy
> >>> papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers,
> >>> which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also
> >>> or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
> >>> thanks for the help carl
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >>> Frank,
> >>>
> >>> If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
> >>> inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
> >>> profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions  
> >>> for
> >>> Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
> >>> positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
> >>> GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
> >>> without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
> >>> archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
> >>> ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
> >>> The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
> >>> and cool PK.
> >>>
> >>> Carl Schofield
> >>> http://photos.schophoto.com
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
> >>>> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
> >>>> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
> >>>> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
> >>>> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
> >>>> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
> >>>> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
> >>>> matter papers.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
> >>>> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
> >>>> thanks
> >>>> Frank
> >>>>
> >>>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >>>> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
> >>>> folder
> >>>> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
> >>>> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
> >>>> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
> >>>> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
> >>>>
> >>>> Carl
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my
> >>>>> case)
> >>>>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
> >>>>> thought
> >>>>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with
> >>>>> Eboni
> >>>>> 3-MK.
> >>>>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My QTR settings were:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Type: Matte
> >>>>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
> >>>>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scott
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "The luckiest dogs are those with clipped tails....they're the  
> >> ones who won't be chasing
> > their own arses."
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!  
> >> Mobile.  Try it now.
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

As part of my 1800-3MK write-up (http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm)
I now have a section on the glossy printing with Glop at
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/3MK-Glossy.pdf   From that page there is a
link to a Zip file with some of my initial profiles.  This is still
experimental, however.  So, no guarantees.  I'll add to this section as I
learn things.  Right now I'm stuck on progress with Ilford because it's on
back order.  I'll probably dust off some of the old glossy papers to see how
they do with the approach.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

  _____  

From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:52 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk

 

Carl,

Yeah, I would love to start experimenting with this method. Also, how are
you going about 
filling your cartridges as this is becoming more and more of an issue with
the whole patent 
crises.

Regards
--- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:
>
> Joseph,
> 
> Paul Roark and I have been working on some profiles for printing to 
> Ilford Gold Silk and other fiber/RC papers using Eboni, PK, and 
> Glop. Paul will be posting his workflow notes on his website. The 
> profiles are still evolving, but if you want to experiment let me 
> know and I can send you my most recent profile for Ilford Gold Silk. 
> I'm thinking of setting up a CIS, but not until the inks for this 
> process have been finalized. Right now I'm just refilling carts and 
> my setup consists of three Eboni channels, three PK (I've been trying 
> several PK versions) channels, and two Glop channels. If you just 
> want to print with just three PK inks and glop I also have a profile 
> for that. The combined Eboni/PK prints with a glop overlay have very 
> high dmax (about 3.0) and have a lot of depth.
> 
> Carl Schofield
> http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Joseph wrote:
> 
> > Carl,
> >
> > I've been reading these posts - especially this one - because I 
> > also want to print with an
> > 1800 on GFS paper. Is RC Neutral PK originally for the R260, 280, 
> > et al? Should I be using
> > a CFS? Thanks for your patience.
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, Frank Jay <frankjay02@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Carl, I appreciate your help.
> >> I have some testing to do I see.,
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >> Frank,
> >>
> >> Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to
> >> try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like
> >> that look. It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for
> >> some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.
> >>
> >> Carl Schofield
> >> http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ok, thanks.
> >>> I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just
> >>> as well because my skill level at this, being I am new to it,
> >>> doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying
> >>> is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other
> >>> black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy
> >>> papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers,
> >>> which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also
> >>> or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
> >>> thanks for the help carl
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >>> Frank,
> >>>
> >>> If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
> >>> inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
> >>> profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions 
> >>> for
> >>> Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
> >>> positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
> >>> GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
> >>> without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
> >>> archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
> >>> ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
> >>> The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
> >>> and cool PK.
> >>>
> >>> Carl Schofield
> >>> http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
> >>>> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
> >>>> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
> >>>> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
> >>>> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
> >>>> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
> >>>> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
> >>>> matter papers.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
> >>>> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
> >>>> thanks
> >>>> Frank
> >>>>
> >>>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >>>> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
> >>>> folder
> >>>> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
> >>>> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
> >>>> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
> >>>> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
> >>>>
> >>>> Carl
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my
> >>>>> case)
> >>>>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
> >>>>> thought
> >>>>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with
> >>>>> Eboni
> >>>>> 3-MK.
> >>>>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My QTR settings were:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Type: Matte
> >>>>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
> >>>>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scott
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "The luckiest dogs are those with clipped tails....they're the 
> >> ones who won't be chasing
> > their own arses."
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 
> >> Mobile. Try it now.
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Carl and Paul,

Thank you much – you guys are revolutionizing the industry here. I ordered, some time 
ago, the 3-mk ink cartridge set and I'm still waiting for it. If they do come then I'll go 
through that workflow. For some time I've been using Premier Art's hot press papers and 
as I understand the 3-mk workflow works admirably with it, so I look forward to trying it 
out. I also have a good stack of gold fibre silk that arrives tomorrow, so I'll try the coating 
procedure outlined by Paul and see if I like it. 

If the cartridges end up not coming because of this whole patent thing then I'm going 
straight to the 3mk, 3 pk process with bulk inks. Carl, I didn't notice any empty epson 
cartridges for sale on MIS' website, we'll see what happens.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
> As part of my 1800-3MK write-up (http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm)
> I now have a section on the glossy printing with Glop at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/3MK-Glossy.pdf   From that page there is a
> link to a Zip file with some of my initial profiles.  This is still
> experimental, however.  So, no guarantees.  I'll add to this section as I
> learn things.  Right now I'm stuck on progress with Ilford because it's on
> back order.  I'll probably dust off some of the old glossy papers to see how
> they do with the approach.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Joseph
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:52 PM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk
> 
>  
> 
> Carl,
> 
> Yeah, I would love to start experimenting with this method. Also, how are
> you going about 
> filling your cartridges as this is becoming more and more of an issue with
> the whole patent 
> crises.
> 
> Regards
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >
> > Joseph,
> > 
> > Paul Roark and I have been working on some profiles for printing to 
> > Ilford Gold Silk and other fiber/RC papers using Eboni, PK, and 
> > Glop. Paul will be posting his workflow notes on his website. The 
> > profiles are still evolving, but if you want to experiment let me 
> > know and I can send you my most recent profile for Ilford Gold Silk. 
> > I'm thinking of setting up a CIS, but not until the inks for this 
> > process have been finalized. Right now I'm just refilling carts and 
> > my setup consists of three Eboni channels, three PK (I've been trying 
> > several PK versions) channels, and two Glop channels. If you just 
> > want to print with just three PK inks and glop I also have a profile 
> > for that. The combined Eboni/PK prints with a glop overlay have very 
> > high dmax (about 3.0) and have a lot of depth.
> > 
> > Carl Schofield
> > http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 16, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Joseph wrote:
> > 
> > > Carl,
> > >
> > > I've been reading these posts - especially this one - because I 
> > > also want to print with an
> > > 1800 on GFS paper. Is RC Neutral PK originally for the R260, 280, 
> > > et al? Should I be using
> > > a CFS? Thanks for your patience.
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, Frank Jay <frankjay02@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Carl, I appreciate your help.
> > >> I have some testing to do I see.,
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> > >> Frank,
> > >>
> > >> Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to
> > >> try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like
> > >> that look. It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for
> > >> some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.
> > >>
> > >> Carl Schofield
> > >> http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Ok, thanks.
> > >>> I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just
> > >>> as well because my skill level at this, being I am new to it,
> > >>> doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying
> > >>> is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other
> > >>> black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy
> > >>> papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers,
> > >>> which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also
> > >>> or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
> > >>> thanks for the help carl
> > >>> Frank
> > >>>
> > >>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> > >>> Frank,
> > >>>
> > >>> If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
> > >>> inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
> > >>> profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions 
> > >>> for
> > >>> Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
> > >>> positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
> > >>> GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
> > >>> without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
> > >>> archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
> > >>> ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
> > >>> The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
> > >>> and cool PK.
> > >>>
> > >>> Carl Schofield
> > >>> http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
> > >>>> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
> > >>>> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
> > >>>> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
> > >>>> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
> > >>>> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
> > >>>> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
> > >>>> matter papers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
> > >>>> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
> > >>>> thanks
> > >>>> Frank
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> > >>>> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
> > >>>> folder
> > >>>> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
> > >>>> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
> > >>>> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
> > >>>> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Carl
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my
> > >>>>> case)
> > >>>>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
> > >>>>> thought
> > >>>>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with
> > >>>>> Eboni
> > >>>>> 3-MK.
> > >>>>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My QTR settings were:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Type: Matte
> > >>>>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
> > >>>>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Scott
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "The luckiest dogs are those with clipped tails....they're the 
> > >> ones who won't be chasing
> > > their own arses."
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------
> > >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 
> > >> Mobile. Try it now.
> > >>
> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Alright, some ink is finally on its way. It took me some time but I found carts from a place 
called www.alotofthings.com. Can't wait. So much so that I'm thinking about a spectro 
after this. Since I'm a starving college student in egregiously expensive southern California 
I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device – do you guys happen to know of one?

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph" <bandittrout@...> wrote:
>
> Carl and Paul,
> 
> Thank you much – you guys are revolutionizing the industry here. I ordered, some time 
> ago, the 3-mk ink cartridge set and I'm still waiting for it. If they do come then I'll go 
> through that workflow. For some time I've been using Premier Art's hot press papers 
and 
> as I understand the 3-mk workflow works admirably with it, so I look forward to trying 
it 
> out. I also have a good stack of gold fibre silk that arrives tomorrow, so I'll try the 
coating 

> procedure outlined by Paul and see if I like it. 
> 
> If the cartridges end up not coming because of this whole patent thing then I'm going 
> straight to the 3mk, 3 pk process with bulk inks. Carl, I didn't notice any empty epson 
> cartridges for sale on MIS' website, we'll see what happens.
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> > As part of my 1800-3MK write-up (http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm)
> > I now have a section on the glossy printing with Glop at
> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/3MK-Glossy.pdf   From that page there is a
> > link to a Zip file with some of my initial profiles.  This is still
> > experimental, however.  So, no guarantees.  I'll add to this section as I
> > learn things.  Right now I'm stuck on progress with Ilford because it's on
> > back order.  I'll probably dust off some of the old glossy papers to see how
> > they do with the approach.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Joseph
> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:52 PM
> > To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Carl,
> > 
> > Yeah, I would love to start experimenting with this method. Also, how are
> > you going about 
> > filling your cartridges as this is becoming more and more of an issue with
> > the whole patent 
> > crises.
> > 
> > Regards
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
> > Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Joseph,
> > > 
> > > Paul Roark and I have been working on some profiles for printing to 
> > > Ilford Gold Silk and other fiber/RC papers using Eboni, PK, and 
> > > Glop. Paul will be posting his workflow notes on his website. The 
> > > profiles are still evolving, but if you want to experiment let me 
> > > know and I can send you my most recent profile for Ilford Gold Silk. 
> > > I'm thinking of setting up a CIS, but not until the inks for this 
> > > process have been finalized. Right now I'm just refilling carts and 
> > > my setup consists of three Eboni channels, three PK (I've been trying 
> > > several PK versions) channels, and two Glop channels. If you just 
> > > want to print with just three PK inks and glop I also have a profile 
> > > for that. The combined Eboni/PK prints with a glop overlay have very 
> > > high dmax (about 3.0) and have a lot of depth.
> > > 
> > > Carl Schofield
> > > http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Feb 16, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Joseph wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Carl,
> > > >
> > > > I've been reading these posts - especially this one - because I 
> > > > also want to print with an
> > > > 1800 on GFS paper. Is RC Neutral PK originally for the R260, 280, 
> > > > et al? Should I be using
> > > > a CFS? Thanks for your patience.
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com, Frank Jay <frankjay02@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks Carl, I appreciate your help.
> > > >> I have some testing to do I see.,
> > > >> Frank
> > > >>
> > > >> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> > > >> Frank,
> > > >>
> > > >> Eboni will not work well on RC lustre papers, but you might want to
> > > >> try Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin with Eboni 3MK and see if you like
> > > >> that look. It has less sheen compared to RC lustre papers, but for
> > > >> some images it works quite well with 3MK Eboni.
> > > >>
> > > >> Carl Schofield
> > > >> http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Ok, thanks.
> > > >>> I do use my 1800 for color and black and white and probably just
> > > >>> as well because my skill level at this, being I am new to it,
> > > >>> doesn't include changing profiles around. So, what you are saying
> > > >>> is that you have three matte inks in three slots, and three other
> > > >>> black inks in three others slots which allow you to print on glossy
> > > >>> papers if you decide to...??. In order to print on luster papers,
> > > >>> which I like better than matte papers, do I need such a set up also
> > > >>> or wlil the 3MK print on lustre.?
> > > >>> thanks for the help carl
> > > >>> Frank
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> > > >>> Frank,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If you are not doing color work with your 1800 you are free to put
> > > >>> inks in any slots you want to use. If you want to use Paul's
> > > >>> profiles as is then yes you must use the MK, PK, and GL positions 
> > > >>> for
> > > >>> Eboni. My setup consists of Eboni MK in the MK, PK, and Y ink
> > > >>> positions with MIS RCNTL_PK in the C, R, and B slots and Glop in the
> > > >>> GL position. This lets me do either matte or RC papers with or
> > > >>> without glop for the latter. All of the profiles I have put in the
> > > >>> archive are for this ink configuration. If you want to use different
> > > >>> ink positions just edit the profiles to change the ink assignments.
> > > >>> The MIS RCNTL-PK is a neutral photo black ink. They also have a warm
> > > >>> and cool PK.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Carl Schofield
> > > >>> http://photos. <http://photos.schophoto.com> schophoto.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Frank Jay wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I am a bit, well a LOT confused with Carl's post here. When I
> > > >>>> bought the Eboni MIS inks for my R1800 from inksupply.com, I was
> > > >>>> told they were to be put in the MK,PK and GL slots. When I bought a
> > > >>>> 4.0z refill of Eboni ink I was told the ink was to be put in all
> > > >>>> three carts as the ink in each one was the same . Why then, and
> > > >>>> how, can the ink be used in the C, R and B slots.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Also..what is MIS RCNTL PK ink? I was told that there was only
> > > >>>> one ink to use in the R1800...the 3MK ink and only to be used on
> > > >>>> matter papers.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I will hold off other quetions about this for another post, I
> > > >>>> think my confusion is showing itself as it is.
> > > >>>> thanks
> > > >>>> Frank
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> > > >>>> I put a profile for Ilford Gold Silk in the R1800 files
> > > >>>> folder
> > > >>>> archive. The profile is for MIS RCNTL PK ink in the C, R, and B
> > > >>>> positions with GLOP in the GL channel. The paper is designed for
> > > >>>> photo black ink. Unless you spray your prints, I would think that
> > > >>>> Eboni might rub off quite easily.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Carl
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:32 AM, scott_now_coming wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> If anyone's printing with 3-MK with an R1800 (or R800, as in my
> > > >>>>> case)
> > > >>>>> and has any of the Gold Fibre Silk, they should run a few test.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Before turning off my computer and printers for the evening, I
> > > >>>>> thought
> > > >>>>> I'd try running a 4x5" piece of GFS through my R800 loaded with
> > > >>>>> Eboni
> > > >>>>> 3-MK.
> > > >>>>> I was pleasantly suprised by the result.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> My QTR settings were:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Type: Matte
> > > >>>>> Curve 1: 3-MKEpsPremArtScapbook
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If I had the means to measure step wedges, I'd make a profile.
> > > >>>>> Unfortunatly, I only have an i-1 to calibrate monitors. :>(
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Anyhow, I think the 3-MK w/IGGFS may make a great combo.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Scott
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "The luckiest dogs are those with clipped tails....they're the 
> > > >> ones who won't be chasing
> > > > their own arses."
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>

>... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
> I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ... 

I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one if bought
new.  It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good for
color.

You might look at the used market.  A used i1 might be a good choice,
particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks Paul.

So, I want to use your profiles for Premier Art hotpress paper Paul, but I'm using Carl's ink 
positions: Eboni in the MK PK and Y positions. What in the txt files (I'm an OS Xer) do i 
need to change to get those to operate like they should?

Thanks!


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
> >... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
> > I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ... 
> 
> I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one if bought
> new.  It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good for
> color.
> 
> You might look at the used market.  A used i1 might be a good choice,
> particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Joseph,

If the hotpress profile has the same ink positions as Paul's original  
3MK profiles (Eboni in MK, PK, and GL positions) then just make the  
following edits to the curve description file (txt or .qdif).  Be  
careful not to insert any spaces when editing.

Change LIMIT_GL=70 to LIMIT_GL=
Change LIMIT_Y= to LIMIT_Y=70
Change CURVE_GL to CURVE_Y
Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to UNUSED_INK_3=GL
Save changes and re-install.

Carl

Carl Schofield
http://photos.schophoto.com

On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Joseph wrote:

> Thanks Paul.
>
> So, I want to use your profiles for Premier Art hotpress paper Paul,  
> but I'm using Carl's ink
> positions: Eboni in the MK PK and Y positions. What in the txt files  
> (I'm an OS Xer) do i
> need to change to get those to operate like they should?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>>> ... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
>>> I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ...
>>
>> I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one  
>> if bought
>> new.  It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good  
>> for
>> color.
>>
>> You might look at the used market.  A used i1 might be a good choice,
>> particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Carl,

Many thanks! I wasn't sure but I thought this was how it went. I'm having a blast, I hope 
everyone else is too. TGIF everyone =)

Regards.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <list@...> wrote:

>
> Joseph,
> 
> If the hotpress profile has the same ink positions as Paul's original  
> 3MK profiles (Eboni in MK, PK, and GL positions) then just make the  
> following edits to the curve description file (txt or .qdif).  Be  
> careful not to insert any spaces when editing.
> 
> Change LIMIT_GL=70 to LIMIT_GL=
> Change LIMIT_Y= to LIMIT_Y=70
> Change CURVE_GL to CURVE_Y
> Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to UNUSED_INK_3=GL
> Save changes and re-install.
> 
> Carl
> 
> Carl Schofield
> http://photos.schophoto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Joseph wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Paul.
> >
> > So, I want to use your profiles for Premier Art hotpress paper Paul,  
> > but I'm using Carl's ink
> > positions: Eboni in the MK PK and Y positions. What in the txt files  
> > (I'm an OS Xer) do i
> > need to change to get those to operate like they should?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@>  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> ... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
> >>> I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ...
> >>
> >> I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one  
> >> if bought
> >> new.  It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good  
> >> for
> >> color.
> >>
> >> You might look at the used market.  A used i1 might be a good choice,
> >> particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >> www.PaulRoark.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Carl and Paul,

Alright, I've got everything set up – finally – and have begun printing.

I'm blown away!

It certainly was a stressful event, at first, but worth it to go through that anytime.

I ended up screwing over the order of inks accidentally and am now at:

MK: K, PK: k, C: K, Y: PK, B: PK, R: PK, M: GL, GL: GL

R800 Eboni, R800 Glop, and MIS K4 Pk 

Thanks!

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph" <bandittrout@...> wrote:

>
> Carl,
> 
> Many thanks! I wasn't sure but I thought this was how it went. I'm having a blast, I hope 
> everyone else is too. TGIF everyone =)
> 
> Regards.
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <list@> wrote:
> >
> > Joseph,
> > 
> > If the hotpress profile has the same ink positions as Paul's original  
> > 3MK profiles (Eboni in MK, PK, and GL positions) then just make the  
> > following edits to the curve description file (txt or .qdif).  Be  
> > careful not to insert any spaces when editing.
> > 
> > Change LIMIT_GL=70 to LIMIT_GL=
> > Change LIMIT_Y= to LIMIT_Y=70
> > Change CURVE_GL to CURVE_Y
> > Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to UNUSED_INK_3=GL
> > Save changes and re-install.
> > 
> > Carl
> > 
> > Carl Schofield
> > http://photos.schophoto.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 22, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Joseph wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks Paul.
> > >
> > > So, I want to use your profiles for Premier Art hotpress paper Paul,  
> > > but I'm using Carl's ink
> > > positions: Eboni in the MK PK and Y positions. What in the txt files  
> > > (I'm an OS Xer) do i
> > > need to change to get those to operate like they should?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@>  
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> ... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
> > >>> I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ...
> > >>
> > >> I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one  
> > >> if bought
> > >> new.  It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good  
> > >> for
> > >> color.
> > >>
> > >> You might look at the used market.  A used i1 might be a good choice,
> > >> particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.
> > >>
> > >> Paul
> > >> www.PaulRoark.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

The MIS PKs vary in ink load (carbon to base ratio) and how they print.  The
K4-PK is a lighter load (less carbon) than the MP-PK.  The modern, faster
printers usually do better with the K4-PK.  However, in my 1800 3MK+PK+GL
experiments the MP-PK by itself (probably because it is being coated
subsequent to printing) is doing so well I'll remove all the other PKs.  I'm
now running the MK into the 100% spot, at very low slopes, from 75%.  It
virtually eliminates the gloss differential, and the MKs+PK take care of
banding - for my particular 1800, at least.  Whether this works for others
may be machine dependent - limited by whether you get banding.  

 

At any rate, you might want to try an MP-PK.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:33 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk

 

Carl and Paul,

Alright, I've got everything set up - finally - and have begun printing.

I'm blown away!

It certainly was a stressful event, at first, but worth it to go through
that anytime.

I ended up screwing over the order of inks accidentally and am now at:

MK: K, PK: k, C: K, Y: PK, B: PK, R: PK, M: GL, GL: GL

R800 Eboni, R800 Glop, and MIS K4 Pk 





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah banding is certainly an issue on my end.

Is it MISPRO PK? Just to make certain.

Thanks,

Joe
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
> The MIS PKs vary in ink load (carbon to base ratio) and how they print.  The
> K4-PK is a lighter load (less carbon) than the MP-PK.  The modern, faster
> printers usually do better with the K4-PK.  However, in my 1800 3MK+PK+GL
> experiments the MP-PK by itself (probably because it is being coated
> subsequent to printing) is doing so well I'll remove all the other PKs.  I'm
> now running the MK into the 100% spot, at very low slopes, from 75%.  It
> virtually eliminates the gloss differential, and the MKs+PK take care of
> banding - for my particular 1800, at least.  Whether this works for others
> may be machine dependent - limited by whether you get banding.  
> 
>  
> 
> At any rate, you might want to try an MP-PK.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Joseph
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:33 PM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk
> 
>  
> 
> Carl and Paul,
> 
> Alright, I've got everything set up - finally - and have begun printing.
> 
> I'm blown away!
> 
> It certainly was a stressful event, at first, but worth it to go through
> that anytime.
> 
> I ended up screwing over the order of inks accidentally and am now at:
> 
> MK: K, PK: k, C: K, Y: PK, B: PK, R: PK, M: GL, GL: GL
> 
> R800 Eboni, R800 Glop, and MIS K4 Pk 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>Yeah banding is certainly an issue on my end.

These 1800s are prone to it.  It's odd, the R260 can do a better K-only BO
print, but does not get as good with a multi-channel approach.  Overall, the
1800 was able to make a better print.  I wonder if in the 1900 they've
figured out how to have the best of both worlds.

>Is it MISPRO PK? Just to make certain.

Yes, MIS "MP" inksets mean their "MIS Pro" inkset.  These day's it's the
same as the "7600" inkset, but different than the K4 or R800.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

__________


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
> The MIS PKs vary in ink load (carbon to base ratio) and how they print. 
> The K4-PK is a lighter load (less carbon) than the MP-PK. 
> The modern, faster printers usually do better with the K4-PK. 
> However, in my 1800 3MK+PK+GL experiments the MP-PK by itself 
> (probably because it is being coated subsequent to printing) 
> is doing so well I'll remove all the other PKs.
 
> I'm now running the MK into the 100% spot, at very low slopes, 
> from 75%. It virtually eliminates the gloss differential, 
> and the MKs+PK take care of banding 
> - for my particular 1800, at least. 

> Whether this works for others may be machine dependent -
> limited by whether you get banding. 

> At any rate, you might want to try an MP-PK.

The MP-PK ink really is performing a lot better, not to mention it looks more like a carbon 
print.

Paul, I'm using your C-3MK IGS 1-PK curve and I think you were saying that it lays down 
the GO at the same time but for some reason mine is not. I'm wondering if I've got 
something wrong which probably is the case.

Thanks again,

Joe

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
> 
> >Yeah banding is certainly an issue on my end.
> 
> These 1800s are prone to it.  It's odd, the R260 can do a better K-only BO
> print, but does not get as good with a multi-channel approach.  Overall, the
> 1800 was able to make a better print.  I wonder if in the 1900 they've
> figured out how to have the best of both worlds.
> 
> >Is it MISPRO PK? Just to make certain.
> 
> Yes, MIS "MP" inksets mean their "MIS Pro" inkset.  These day's it's the
> same as the "7600" inkset, but different than the K4 or R800.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> __________
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > The MIS PKs vary in ink load (carbon to base ratio) and how they print. 
> > The K4-PK is a lighter load (less carbon) than the MP-PK. 
> > The modern, faster printers usually do better with the K4-PK. 
> > However, in my 1800 3MK+PK+GL experiments the MP-PK by itself 
> > (probably because it is being coated subsequent to printing) 
> > is doing so well I'll remove all the other PKs.
>  
> > I'm now running the MK into the 100% spot, at very low slopes, 
> > from 75%. It virtually eliminates the gloss differential, 
> > and the MKs+PK take care of banding 
> > - for my particular 1800, at least. 
> 
> > Whether this works for others may be machine dependent -
> > limited by whether you get banding. 
> 
> > At any rate, you might want to try an MP-PK.
>

The MP-PK ink really is performing a lot better, not to mention it looks more like a carbon 
print.

Paul, I'm using your C-3MK IGS 1-PK curve and I think you were saying that it lays down 
the GO at the same time but for some reason mine is not. I'm wondering if I've got 
something wrong which probably is the case.

Thanks again,

Joe

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
> 
> >Yeah banding is certainly an issue on my end.
> 
> These 1800s are prone to it.  It's odd, the R260 can do a better K-only BO
> print, but does not get as good with a multi-channel approach.  Overall, the
> 1800 was able to make a better print.  I wonder if in the 1900 they've
> figured out how to have the best of both worlds.
> 
> >Is it MISPRO PK? Just to make certain.
> 
> Yes, MIS "MP" inksets mean their "MIS Pro" inkset.  These day's it's the
> same as the "7600" inkset, but different than the K4 or R800.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> __________
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > The MIS PKs vary in ink load (carbon to base ratio) and how they print. 
> > The K4-PK is a lighter load (less carbon) than the MP-PK. 
> > The modern, faster printers usually do better with the K4-PK. 
> > However, in my 1800 3MK+PK+GL experiments the MP-PK by itself 
> > (probably because it is being coated subsequent to printing) 
> > is doing so well I'll remove all the other PKs.
>  
> > I'm now running the MK into the 100% spot, at very low slopes, 
> > from 75%. It virtually eliminates the gloss differential, 
> > and the MKs+PK take care of banding 
> > - for my particular 1800, at least. 
> 
> > Whether this works for others may be machine dependent -
> > limited by whether you get banding. 
> 
> > At any rate, you might want to try an MP-PK.
>

> I'm using your C-3MK IGS 1-PK curve and I think you were saying 
> that it lays down the GO at the same time but for some reason mine 
> is not. 

I've made several of these types of curves now, and I almost always have
some GO laid down with the Eboni in the first pass.  However, they still
need a second pass with a solid GO over coat.  After the first pass they
will have a dull matte finish.

Have you opened the curve with the Curve Creator to see what it is doing?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Ok, I've got it nailed down now. 

Only issue I'm experiencing now is getting the glop to spray exactly
on top of the last pass – tedious at times but kinda a quibble at this
point. I'm getting good results.

I think I'm pretty happy with the MP-PK in one slot.


Regards

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> > I'm using your C-3MK IGS 1-PK curve and I think you were saying 
> > that it lays down the GO at the same time but for some reason mine 
> > is not. 
> 
> I've made several of these types of curves now, and I almost always have
> some GO laid down with the Eboni in the first pass.  However, they still
> need a second pass with a solid GO over coat.  After the first pass they
> will have a dull matte finish.
> 
> Have you opened the curve with the Curve Creator to see what it is
doing?

> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

>Only issue I'm experiencing now is getting the glop to 
>spray exactly on top of the last pass ...

I make the second pass "image" larger than the actual printed image.  But
then I also tend to print at more like 9 x 7 on letter size so the borders
are a bit more substantial.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> >... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
> > I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ... 
> 
> I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one if 
bought
> new.  It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good for
> color.
> 
> You might look at the used market.  A used i1 might be a good choice,
> particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>



paul, can you explain about the strip reader?  i was interested in 
getting the printfix pro and was naively assuming a spectro will do 
both color and b&w.  why can't the spectro do color without this item?  
is a strip reader an accessory item to the printfix pro?

The Print Fix Pro spectro I have is a modestly priced unit that will read
color patches fine, but is does not include a "strip reader" that makes
reading MUCH faster.  With B&W, a 21-step test strip is all I find necessary
to read.  This only takes a minute to manually read.  With color, 21 to the
third power (9261) is what might be needed for an equally good color
profile.  That's an enormous number of patches to manually read.  The color
profiles I've made using just a couple hundred patches have not been very
impressive.  For really good color, you need a strip reading spectro and
lots of patches.  (A software approach that uses an iterative process might
also be best, but I'm not sure which if any do this.)

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

  _____  

From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of c1asia
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:30 AM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk

 

--- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
"Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> >... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
> > I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ... 
> 
> I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one if 
bought
> new. It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good for
> color.
> 
> You might look at the used market. A used i1 might be a good choice,
> particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

paul, can you explain about the strip reader? i was interested in 
getting the printfix pro and was naively assuming a spectro will do 
both color and b&w. why can't the spectro do color without this item? 
is a strip reader an accessory item to the printfix pro?

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> 
wrote:
>
> The Print Fix Pro spectro I have is a modestly priced unit that 
will read
> color patches fine, but is does not include a "strip reader" that 
makes
> reading MUCH faster.  With B&W, a 21-step test strip is all I find 
necessary
> to read.  This only takes a minute to manually read.  With color, 
21 to the
> third power (9261) is what might be needed for an equally good color
> profile.  That's an enormous number of patches to manually read.  
The color
> profiles I've made using just a couple hundred patches have not 
been very
> impressive.  For really good color, you need a strip reading 
spectro and
> lots of patches.  (A software approach that uses an iterative 
process might
> also be best, but I'm not sure which if any do this.)
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of c1asia
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:30 AM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: 3-MK and Ilford Galerie Gold Fibre Silk
> 
>  
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@ <mailto:QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com> 
yahoogroups.com,
> "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > >... I'm thinking about a spectro ...
> > > I'd like to inquire on a modestly priced device ... 
> > 
> > I use the PrintFixPro spectro, which is probably the cheapest one 
if 
> bought
> > new. It's good for B&W, but without a strip reader, it's not good 
for
> > color.
> > 
> > You might look at the used market. A used i1 might be a good 
choice,
> > particularly if you want to also be able to profile color.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> 
> paul, can you explain about the strip reader? i was interested in 
> getting the printfix pro and was naively assuming a spectro will do 
> both color and b&w. why can't the spectro do color without this 
item? 
> is a strip reader an accessory item to the printfix pro?
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ok, i understand now.  but is the strip reader an accessory i can buy 
for the printfix pro or do i have to go for something totally 
different?  if the latter, what would you recommend?

>... is the strip reader an accessory i can buy 
> for the printfix pro or do i have to go for something totally 
> different? if the latter, what would you recommend?

Check the web site at http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-pp-s3studio.php
Actually, it looks like they may have upgraded the unit from what I have.
The description suggests there is a guide for strip reading.  It may still
be the price leader.

Many on this forum use the Eye-One, now part of X-Rite.  See
http://www.xrite.com/top_Products.aspx   I have not used it. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com