Akai S1000 / S1100 samplers

Hello to all,

i'm new here, and i have a Problem with my S1000.
If i play the internal 4 Sound's with the Play Button, or via MIDI, only the Sinus and Sawtooth Sound works. The Square and Pulse are only produce an muffled Klick.
If i load Sounds, these are not working. Some are not to hear, others are distorted or undifferentiated Noises.
The Sampler has the 2.2 System. But i can load the 4.4 from Disk and it seem's to Work fine.
Equipped with an 8Mb Expansion, it displays only 5Mb. The Original 2Meg and Expansion 8Meg at half. I Think, there is an Damage at the Memory Controller, or an BUS-Driver Chip.?
Does Anybody know, what Damage this be, and how i can repair this?
I'm an Hobby Electronic Freak since 25 Years, and Specialist for Computer and Network, so i Think, i can repair this, if it no so great Problem. ;-) But i don't have an Service Manual, Schematic Diagram ore Special Tools an Measuring Instruments to find the Error.

Thanks.
Regards Mario

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>
> 
> Hi !
> 
> Yep, the main prob is:
> There are NO service manuals in the web or available for free for S-1000 
> and S-1100.
> Believe me, I´m looking for years and I know people who have one but 
> don´t do copys !
> 
> The service who owns the manual wasn´t able to find a fault of my 2nd 
> S-1100 because "it´s not a standard error" ...
> Other techs cannot work on my S-1100 because they have no service manual ...
> 
> I had the impression, the pro-service wanted my machine for parts 
> because parts for S-1000/ S-1100 are very rare now or impossible to find.
> 
> In your case, I´d try to find more memory expansions 1st to swap ´em 
> inside the machine.
> Did you place the 2meg card in the very 1st slot and the 8meg card in 
> the 2nd one ? ( because that´ the order it has to be)
> Are the jumper-bridges re-soldered for use of 8meg cards in a S-1000 at 
> the bottom of you mainboard ? (S-1000 isn´t designed for usage of 8meg 
> cards)
> Are you sure the 8meg card isn´t damaged ?
> 
> marber_mba schrieb:
> >
> >
> > Hello to all,
> >
> > i'm new here, and i have a Problem with my S1000.
> > If i play the internal 4 Sound's with the Play Button, or via MIDI, 
> > only the Sinus and Sawtooth Sound works. The Square and Pulse are only 
> > produce an muffled Klick.
> > If i load Sounds, these are not working. Some are not to hear, others 
> > are distorted or undifferentiated Noises.
> > The Sampler has the 2.2 System. But i can load the 4.4 from Disk and 
> > it seem's to Work fine.
> > Equipped with an 8Mb Expansion, it displays only 5Mb. The Original 
> > 2Meg and Expansion 8Meg at half. I Think, there is an Damage at the 
> > Memory Controller, or an BUS-Driver Chip.?
> > Does Anybody know, what Damage this be, and how i can repair this?
> > I'm an Hobby Electronic Freak since 25 Years, and Specialist for 
> > Computer and Network, so i Think, i can repair this, if it no so great 
> > Problem. ;-) But i don't have an Service Manual, Schematic Diagram ore 
> > Special Tools an Measuring Instruments to find the Error.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Regards Mario
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>

Thank's for the fast Answer,

i put all Card's, incl. an MuTec SCSI, out and tested all alone.
With the Original 2Meg Card in the very first Slot it Displays 1Mb free Memory, and with the 8Meg in the first only 4. And the 2Meg in the first and the 8Meg in the second Slot say's 5MWord free. :-(
I don't know if the Jumpers re-soldered, because i don't have put the Mainboard out. But the previsous Owner says, it has Work with 10Meg before. Once a Day after Turn on the Unit, it has Display the Half of the Memory.

----- Original Message -----

From: PeWe

To: akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:56 AM

Subject: Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: Damaged S1000

O.k.,- obviously it´s all fine ´cause the size of memory in S-1000 / S-1100 is reported in mega-words, not mega-bytes ! :-)

1 byte is 8bits and 1 word is 16bits and the S-series samplers are 16bit samplers,- means: 1 mega word is two mega-bytes.

Watch your display carefully,- it says mega words !

So,- 2 mega words are 4 MB and 4 mega words are 8MB

If your display reads 5 mega words, there are 10MB recognized in real !

Tech info about installation of memory boards in the S-1000 / S-1100 is here,- incl. re-soldering of the mainboard for usage of 2meg cards only or combos of 2meg cards and 8meg cards as well as usage of 8meg cards only ...

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/smem/8Meg.html

Software upgrades and manuals ( not service manuals unfortunally) for your S-series Sampler here ...

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/smem/

hope that helps

:-)


marber_mba schrieb:

Thank's for the fast Answer,

i put all Card's, incl. an MuTec SCSI, out and tested all alone.
With the Original 2Meg Card in the very first Slot it Displays 1Mb free Memory, and with the 8Meg in the first only 4. And the 2Meg in the first and the 8Meg in the second Slot say's 5MWord free. :-(
I don't know if the Jumpers re-soldered, because i don't have put the Mainboard out. But the previsous Owner says, it has Work with 10Meg before. Once a Day after Turn on the Unit, it has Display the Half of the Memory.

try www.Route66studios.com for the service manuals.

Rich

>
> O.k.,- obviously it´s all fine ´cause the size of memory in S-1000 / 
> S-1100 is reported in mega-words, not mega-bytes ! :-)
> 
> 1 byte is 8bits and 1 word is 16bits and the S-series samplers are 16bit 
> samplers,- means: 1 mega word is two mega-bytes.
> 
> Watch your display carefully,- it says mega words !
> 
> So,- 2 mega words are 4 MB and 4 mega words are 8MB
> 
> If your display reads 5 mega words, there are 10MB recognized in real !
> 
> Tech info about installation of memory boards in the S-1000 / S-1100 is 
> here,- incl. re-soldering of the mainboard for usage of 2meg cards only 
> or combos of 2meg cards and 8meg cards as well as usage of 8meg cards 
> only ...
> 
> http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/smem/8Meg.html
> 
> Software upgrades and manuals ( not service manuals unfortunally) for 
> your S-series Sampler here ...
> 
> http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/smem/
> 
> hope that helps
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> marber_mba schrieb:
> >
> >
> > Thank's for the fast Answer,
> >
> > i put all Card's, incl. an MuTec SCSI, out and tested all alone.
> > With the Original 2Meg Card in the very first Slot it Displays 1Mb 
> > free Memory, and with the 8Meg in the first only 4. And the 2Meg in 
> > the first and the 8Meg in the second Slot say's 5MWord free. :-(
> > I don't know if the Jumpers re-soldered, because i don't have put the 
> > Mainboard out. But the previsous Owner says, it has Work with 10Meg 
> > before. Once a Day after Turn on the Unit, it has Display the Half of 
> > the Memory.
> >
> >
> >
>

Ooh Man!
I'm so Stupid. You're Right, i have must Think at it.
The previsous Owner had say, it was 10Meg, and then it Displays only 5 Meg. I Think, he have forgot to attach his Eyeglasses and tell me what about a Horse. ;-)
So it's good to know, that the Memory are right detected.
But the Error with the Sounds?
I found this Site http://www.transanalog.com/ and ask for an Service Manual. Now wait for Answer.
A other Thing, i found the Eproms Labeled with S1100 V2.2 in LSB Socket, and S1000 V2.2 in the MSB. Is this a Problem?
But the S1000 Start's right and seem to Work correct, except the Sound Problem.

.

>
> >Are you able to burn eproms?
> >
> >If yes, I have the images of latest software versions somewhere on my harddrives, but have to look for ´em.
> >I hope they´re small enough to mail ´em to you.
> 
> 
> The latest Eprom images are on this site (at the end):
> http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/smem/
> 
> Ciao
> Peter
>

>
> 
> Software version isn´t a real prob, but higher software versions add 
> some important features, loading library content of the S-3000 series p.ex..
> Some bug fixes too and other new features I don´t have in my mind actually.
> 
> Are you able to burn eproms?
> 
> If yes, I have the images of latest software versions somewhere on my 
> harddrives, but have to look for ´em.
> I hope they´re small enough to mail ´em to you.
> 
> Please do me a favour, ask for a S-1000 service manual too,- I´d pay for 
> it if available.
> 
> Schematics wouldn´t be enough,- I have some pages (not all) of the 
> schematics of a S-1100 but if you come to measuring on the digital side, 
> you need the default values reported in the SM.
> 
> One of my S-1100 seems to have a very rare fault, - it shows all in the 
> display, you´re able to edit parameters, all the cards are working 
> including converters, it does all the test routines fine, it receives 
> midi, loads samples from disk,- but no sound.
> Must be something on the digital mainboard and there´s no chance to 
> investigate without a service manual at hand.
> 
> I´m happy to have another working S-1100, but I´mn not happy to have one 
> of the 2 samplers as a parts stock only, you know... :-)
> So, I´m always interested to get it to run.
> 
> PeWe
> 
> marber_mba schrieb:
> >
> >
> > Ooh Man!
> > I'm so Stupid. You're Right, i have must Think at it.
> > The previsous Owner had say, it was 10Meg, and then it Displays only 5 
> > Meg. I Think, he have forgot to attach his Eyeglasses and tell me what 
> > about a Horse. ;-)
> > So it's good to know, that the Memory are right detected.
> > But the Error with the Sounds?
> > I found this Site http://www.transanalog.com/ 
> > <http://www.transanalog.com/> and ask for an Service Manual. Now wait 
> > for Answer.
> > A other Thing, i found the Eproms Labeled with S1100 V2.2 in LSB 
> > Socket, and S1000 V2.2 in the MSB. Is this a Problem?
> > But the S1000 Start's right and seem to Work correct, except the Sound 
> > Problem.
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>

The 4.4 Files i already have on my Harddisk. Therefrom i make the OS Disk.
I'm not to be able burn Eprom's. But, with no working S1000 im not Interested to do this (Pay Money or spend Time).
With the Rom's i mean, the two Chip's are labeled with different Gear Types, S1000 & S1100. If this an Problem? The 1100 have an Effect Unit, the S1000 not. So i Think, it's possible the Sound Probs are came from there. The OS attempt to Manage the DSP etc.?
But do the OS from Disk override all Eprom Data?

>
> >Thank's, i already have the Files. But don't be able to burn.
> 
> It should be possible to find someone with an eprom burner in Germany, the 27C512 
> eproms are standard eproms that every burner can program.
> 
> If you can't find someone I could do it for you, but the postage is higher as I am from Austria...
> I could also offer you two 27C512 so that you don't have to send your V2.2 eproms and that you can
> Compare the two versions if this would be interesting for you.
> 
> All together would be 10 Euro (2 eproms, programming for free, postage to you).
> 
> My S1000 is already upgraded and it works fine. The best point on the upgrade for me 
> is the S3000 CD read function as a lot of sample libraries that you can buy on Ebay are in S3000 format.
> 
> Ciao
> Peter
> 
> http://www.ullrich.at.tt
>

>
> Hi again!
> 
> >The 4.4 Files i already have on my Harddisk. Therefrom i make the OS Disk.
> >I'm not to be able burn Eprom's. But, with no working S1000 im not Interested 
> >to do this (Pay Money or spend Time).
> 
> Ebven if you could eventually get rid of aour problems???
> 
> >With the Rom's i mean, the two Chip's are labeled with different Gear Types, 
> >S1000 & S1100. If this an Problem? 
> 
> Oops! This could of course be a problem...
> 
> >The 1100 have an Effect Unit, the S1000 not. So i Think, it's possible the Sound 
> >Probs are came from there. The OS attempt to Manage the DSP etc.?
> >But do the OS from Disk override all Eprom Data?
> 
> I am not sure. If the eprom mix addresses an analog switch so that the signal is 
> routed to a non existing effect boaerd than you hear nothing... just thinking I don't 
> know how it exactly works as I had no look at the schematics...
> 
> So I would try to install the S1000 V4.4 eproms and see whats going on.
> 
> Do you have an oscilloscope? Measuring if there is a signal on the DAC output could help.
> If you don't have an oscilloscope your PC with soundcard and a free software can also do the job...
> 
> Ciao
> Peter
> 
> http://www.ullrich.at.tt
>

>
> The files you´re making floppies from are not the ones you need to burn 
> eproms.
> The files for the eproms are image-files.
> 
> S-1100 OS is not for S-1000
> 
> S-1100 is a complete different beast,- the best one IMO.
> It sounds better because of the different converter boards incl. 
> Burr-Brown converters for every single out and the both main outs L & R.
> S-1000 multiplexes the single outs from the main outs, so a S-1000 has 2 
> converters only instead of 10 in the S-1100.
> 
> The S-1100 offers a AES/EBU digital main-out in addition to the ones of 
> the optional IB-104 card.
> S-1100 reads SMPTE and creates cue lists,- fires samples from cue list 
> entrys while reading SMPTE.
> 
> If you compare the digital mainboard of a S-1000 and a S-1100, you´ll 
> see these are different too.
> 
> It´s not only the FX-board which makes the difference between S-1100 and 
> S-1000 !
> 
> So, NO S-1100 OS works in S-1000.
> 
> A floppy disk w/ higher OS inserted in the disk drive overrides the OS 
> in the ROM temporary.
> 
> If you don´t want to change the eproms by what reason ever and if you 
> use a SCSI harddrive, make sure you copy the latest OS ( which you 
> actually use w/ floppy disk) to that harddrive.
> If the drive is running while powering up the S-1000 already, the 
> sampler reads the higher OS from the harddrive ( if recognized) and the 
> older OS is overridden also in this case.
> 
> If you use several drives and exchange these occasionally, copy the OS 
> to every harddrive.
> 
> 
> marber_mba schrieb:
> >
> >
> > The 4.4 Files i already have on my Harddisk. Therefrom i make the OS Disk.
> > I'm not to be able burn Eprom's. But, with no working S1000 im not 
> > Interested to do this (Pay Money or spend Time).
> > With the Rom's i mean, the two Chip's are labeled with different Gear 
> > Types, S1000 & S1100. If this an Problem? The 1100 have an Effect 
> > Unit, the S1000 not. So i Think, it's possible the Sound Probs are 
> > came from there. The OS attempt to Manage the DSP etc.?
> > But do the OS from Disk override all Eprom Data?
> >
>