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2011-04-21 by John
How will the USB port on the Cirklon allow you to integrate with a DAW? Will this just be for standard midi clock sync between the two, or will you be able to sequence synths in your DAW environment direct from the Cirklon? An example of Cirklon and DAW integration would be useful.
2011-04-21 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...> wrote: > As Paul said, it will also send pattern output to a MIDI USB port. > I've tried it out with VSThost running a few different plug-ins, and they > generally just seem to work. > Mostly. > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > http://www.sequentix.com > Wondering if you'd be able to use Cirklon to sequence hardware synths that have been set-up in Logic's arrange + environment pages? Said synths would already be sequenced by Logic + connected through a USB midi interface. So could Cirklon also access and sequence those same synths when connected via USB to Logic? My own feeling is it may not be possible, as each synth can only have one midi input, set in it's inspector settings. ie synth one receiving midi from "midi port one" on USB interface. OTH you could set the synth to receive its input from Cirklon USB port 1 to 4, but then only Cirklon could sequence that synth in your song, and Cirklon would need to be in sync to Logic's (unstable!!) midi clock.... Is my thinking correct? John
2011-04-21 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem@...> wrote: > > You should be able to route all of that through the environment. You'd probably not have to go that deep and could stay in the arrange page, since Apple have simplified things. Once Cirklon is added in OSX audio midi set-up, its ports should become available to any track selected, through its inspector. Trying to get my head round this, and hoping it works before taking the plunge to order a Ck... John
2011-04-21 by Paul Nagle
On 21/04/2011 21:14, John wrote: > How will the USB port on the Cirklon allow you to integrate with a DAW? > Will this just be for standard midi clock sync between the two, or will you be able to sequence synths in your DAW environment direct from the Cirklon? I've sequenced softsynths on my Mac and PC from Cirklon's USB MIDI. Connect up and you'll see the various ports, define some USB instruments on Cirklon and then use them as you normally would. Seems to work. > An example of Cirklon and DAW integration would be useful. I haven't done a massive amount with this - it was something I intended to do more of but just never got round to it. I think Danny has done more though. Give it a shot. Good luck! :) -- Paul --- http://www.softroom.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote
2011-04-21 by Colin Fraser
> On 21/04/2011 21:14, John wrote: > > How will the USB port on the Cirklon allow you to integrate > with a DAW? > > Will this just be for standard midi clock sync between the > two, or will you be able to sequence synths in your DAW > environment direct from the Cirklon? > > I've sequenced softsynths on my Mac and PC from Cirklon's USB MIDI. > Connect up and you'll see the various ports, define some USB > instruments on Cirklon and then use them as you normally > would. Seems to work. Cirklon appears as a class-compliant MIDI interface with 4 ports (which I may increase to support a direct pass-thru mode to the hardware ports). It will auto-slave to incoming MIDI clock or MIDI timecode for synchronisation. As Paul said, it will also send pattern output to a MIDI USB port. I've tried it out with VSThost running a few different plug-ins, and they generally just seem to work. Mostly. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2011-04-21 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Tony Scharf <noisetheorem@...> wrote: > > You should be able to route all of that through the environment. Edit to my last message.. You're saying that through the environment you should be able to set up both Logic and Cirklon to control hardware synths.
2011-04-21 by Tony Scharf
You should be able to route all of that through the environment. On Apr 21, 2011 4:20 PM, "John" <johnplaiduk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...> wrote: > >> As Paul said, it will also send pattern output to a MIDI USB port. >> I've tried it out with VSThost running a few different plug-ins, and they >> generally just seem to work. >> Mostly. >> >> Best regards, >> Colin Fraser >> Sequentix Music Systems Ltd >> http://www.sequentix.com >> > > Wondering if you'd be able to use Cirklon to sequence hardware synths that have been set-up in Logic's arrange + environment pages? > Said synths would already be sequenced by Logic + connected through a USB midi interface. So could Cirklon also access and sequence those same synths when connected via USB to Logic? > My own feeling is it may not be possible, as each synth can only have one midi input, set in it's inspector settings. ie synth one receiving midi from "midi port one" on USB interface. > OTH you could set the synth to receive its input from Cirklon USB port 1 to 4, but then only Cirklon could sequence that synth in your song, and Cirklon would need to be in sync to Logic's (unstable!!) midi clock.... > Is my thinking correct? > > John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-22 by Paul Nagle
On 21/04/2011 23:59, John wrote: > Edit to my last message.. > You're saying that through the environment you should be able to set up both Logic and Cirklon to control hardware synths. Logic's environment is a very old and slightly creaky part of the program. It has great power for the patient geekster, but also has some limitations due to the fact it hasn't been touched since the pre-Apple days when Logic was bold and innovative. I haven't touched it much since those days either as I've found anything that pushes Logic too hard in directions it's unhappy with tends to make it fall over. YMMV. -- Paul --- http://www.softroom.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote
2011-04-22 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...> wrote: I haven't touched it much since > those days either as I've found anything that pushes Logic too hard in > directions it's unhappy with tends to make it fall over. YMMV. > > -- > Paul Logic's environment is a place i'd like to avoid to be honest. I'm still thinking it possible to assign Cirklon midi outs to each instrument in the arrange page by changing that setting in each ones inspector setting. However only Cirklon, and not Logic, will be able to sequence that particular synth. John
2011-04-22 by Ditton33
Probably a stupid question sorry. If slaving the Cirklon clock to a DAW, does it impact the Cirklon's timing precision? Also, anyone tried it with Ableton yet?
> >-----Original Message----- > >From: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Fraser > >Sent: 21 April 2011 21:44 > >To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [analogue-sequencer] Cirklon USB and DAW integration? > > > > > >> On 21/04/2011 21:14, John wrote: > >> > How will the USB port on the Cirklon allow you to integrate > >> with a DAW? > >> > Will this just be for standard midi clock sync between the > >> two, or will you be able to sequence synths in your DAW > >environment > >> direct from the Cirklon? > >> > >> I've sequenced softsynths on my Mac and PC from Cirklon's > >USB MIDI. > >> Connect up and you'll see the various ports, define some USB > >> instruments on Cirklon and then use them as you normally > >would. Seems > >> to work. > > > >Cirklon appears as a class-compliant MIDI interface with 4 > >ports (which I may increase to support a direct pass-thru > >mode to the hardware ports). > >It will auto-slave to incoming MIDI clock or MIDI timecode > >for synchronisation. > >As Paul said, it will also send pattern output to a MIDI USB port. > >I've tried it out with VSThost running a few different > >plug-ins, and they generally just seem to work. > >Mostly. > > > >Best regards, > >Colin Fraser > >Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > >http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2011-04-22 by John
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <softroom@...> wrote: Is there > anything specific I could try out for you? > > -- > Paul > --- > http://www.softroom.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote > Hi Paul, I guess the easiest and most helpful thing would be to see if you can sequence a hardware synth through Logic, using Cirklon? Select a hardware synths track in the arrange, go to it's inspector setting and see if you can select Cirklon as its "midi input" so as to sequence it. Logic to send MTC, Cirklon to receive MTC, to test the sync would also be helpful too. Many thanks Paul, John
2011-04-22 by Paul Nagle
On 22/04/2011 09:58, John wrote: > Logic's environment is a place i'd like to avoid to be honest. I'm still thinking it possible to assign Cirklon midi outs to each instrument in the arrange page by changing that setting in each ones inspector setting. > However only Cirklon, and not Logic, will be able to sequence that particular synth. Well, although I use Logic daily it's not something I've thought of adding Cirklon to - except to drive a few multitimbral instruments such as Omnisphere (and then only really as an experiment). I seem to recall finding this stuff easier with Cubase actually but as long as Logic lets you select an input for each track I don't see the problem. Is there anything specific I could try out for you? -- Paul --- http://www.softroom.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote
2011-04-22 by Colin Fraser
> If slaving the Cirklon clock to a DAW, does it impact the > Cirklon's timing precision? That depends if you use MIDI clock or MIDI timecode. For MIDI clock, the tempo is determined by the time between each clock tick. There will inevitably be some jitter on MIDI bytes sent by a PC/Mac, so that jitter becomes a tempo instability. For MIDI timecode, what is transmitted is an absolute time reference in the form of regular quarter frame tick messages. These will still be subject to jitter, but because the spacing of messages is a fixed time, it is possible to filter out the jitter by soft-synchronising the slaved absolute time source. This is what Cirklon does, and it means the internal MTC reference on Cirklon has virtually no jitter compared to the master. The downside of using MTC is that you need to set the same tempo at master and slave. You can't filter out jitter from MIDI clock, without causing a lag in response to any sudden tempo change. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
2011-04-22 by Paul Nagle
On 22/04/2011 12:04, John wrote: > Hi Paul, > I guess the easiest and most helpful thing would be to see if you can sequence a hardware synth through Logic, using Cirklon? So check whether Logic can work as a thru? I'm sure it does as I can play a hardware synth via my keyboard and there's no difference between MIDI from my master keyboard (also USB) and Cirklon. > Select a hardware synths track in the arrange, go to it's inspector setting and see if you can select Cirklon as its "midi input" so as to sequence it. Yep you can do this, I'll do it again later to verify but, again, there's no difference between selecting the MIDI input for a real or virtual instrument. > Logic to send MTC, Cirklon to receive MTC, to test the sync would also be helpful too. Again, that was one of the first MTC tests done yonks ago. I'll redo it though as I've not retested in, well, a long time. I doubt Colin's changed anything there though. Will drop you a PM with the results, could take a day or so though as it's sunny and the studio is hot and stuffy :) -- Paul --- http://www.softroom.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/WilyEPeyote
2011-05-02 by cormallen
Hi Colin, just joined the group... > Cirklon appears as a class-compliant MIDI interface with 4 ports (which I > may increase to support a direct pass-thru mode to the hardware ports). This! What I'd like to be able to do is have all the MIDI from the DAW to my synths going through the Cirklon, so that I can control them either from the DAW or from the Cirklon without having to mess around with MIDI patchbays etc. The same applies for CV: I'd love to be able to use this as a MIDI/CV converter so that the DAW could also talk to my modulars. (It'd be quite fine to not send MIDI or CV to a synth if the Cirklon had an active track using it, but it'd be even cooler to have it do the merging). Is any of this possible? I haven't yet trawled through the whole archive here to see if it's already been discussed. Also, I sent you an email with my order for a CV equipped Cirklon a few days back and haven't had a reply, but I've been having a few problems with my email, so didn't know if you'd sent something and I'd missed it... Thanks, Harry