Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "danberridge@..." <danieltberridge@...> wrote:
> There seems to be problems with both BC Manager and Live recogising
> the unit. I have installed the most recent drivers and its running
> 1.10 firmware. On opening of "BCmanager 2.03 I get a cannot open MIDI
> device BCR2000[1] Undefined external error" message twice.

First a note about the "twice": this is probably because you get an error for the BCR's input device AND the output device.

BC Manager reports the "Undefined external error" based on what it is being told by BCR's MIDI driver.
This error probably indicates that the USB controller on the BCR is defective (I've had this problem myself, as have several other people - check the message archive of this Yahoo group). If that is the case, all you can do is use the non-USB modes (S-1/2/3/4); or have the BCR replaced, of course (if you're within warranty, you'll probably get a new unit for free, at least that's what I got).

However, it MIGHT be a USB/MIDI driver problem (something gone wrong during installation or so), so one thing you might try is uninstall the BCR's MIDI device driver (e.g. via Device Manager), switch off the computer and the BCR (you know the drill...), then restart and let Windows install its default "USB Audio Device". Then see what BC Manager reports - although my guess is that you still get a similar error.

It might also be a USB cable problem, so you might try using a different cable, although my guess is that this won't help either.

Mark.

Thanks for the response.

Yes, this is a strange one.
I had made an initial error in that the unit was not in USB mode 1. I changed this and managed to get BC Manager to recognise it and load a couple of presets (which even worked in Live). Even so, I think it should have been ok.

This morning, without touching anything, neither BC manager nor Live recognise the unit.
After trying a different usb cable and port on my computer, Windows didn't recognise the unit. After reloading the drivers BC Manager recognises the the BCR but LIve doesn't (BCR is shown in red and there's no response in Mackie Mode)..

What do you think? Should I send it back? This being the second BCR I've had problems with!!
I am about to give up on the whole machine, which is a shame.

Dan

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:07 AM, markwinvdb <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "danberridge@..." wrote:
>; There seems to be problems with both BC Manager and Live recogising
> the unit. I have installed the most recent drivers and its running
> 1.10 firmware. On opening of "BCmanager 2.03 I get a cannot open MIDI
> device BCR2000[1] Undefined external error" message twice.

First a note about the "twice": this is probably because you get an error for the BCR's input device AND the output device.

BC Manager reports the "Undefined external error" based on what it is being told by BCR's MIDI driver.
This error probably indicates that the USB controller on the BCR is defective (I've had this problem myself, as have several other people - check the message archive of this Yahoo group). If that is the case, all you can do is use the non-USB modes (S-1/2/3/4); or have the BCR replaced, of course (if you're within warranty, you'll probably get a new unit for free, at least that's what I got).

However, it MIGHT be a USB/MIDI driver problem (something gone wrong during installation or so), so one thing you might try is uninstall the BCR's MIDI device driver (e.g. via Device Manager), switch off the computer and the BCR (you know the drill...), then restart and let Windows install its default "USB Audio Device". Then see what BC Manager reports - although my guess is that you still get a similar error.

It might also be a USB cable problem, so you might try using a different cable, although my guess is that this won't help either.

Mark.

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Hi Dan

> So, an update.
> I am now using the BCR in midi mode S-3, connected into the Ins of my

Ins??? more than one?

> PadKontrol, which is hooked into Live as Mackie Control anyway (I use it for
> transport controls). This seems to work for Mackie emulation, with the
> "BCR=Live_ver4.1.syx" preset installed.
>
> HOWEVER, I am recieving no visual feedback on the BCR from Live. Is there
> some special way I should be hooking up the midi to recieve visual feedback?

I take it you have connected the Midi out from the PC to the Midi In on the BC? 8)

All the best
Royce

Hi Dan

> No, there is only a 1 in and one out on my PadKontrol, which is hooked
up
> through USB to the computer. In Live I've set the PadKontrol port A as
the
> Mackie Control, which works fine as simple transport.
>

So the Korg is outputting it's own Midi data while tring to merge the
data coming in to its Midi in from the BC and then sending both sets of
data to Live

> Well yes I have and I current DO get visual feedback. And I have
Mackie
> Control over Live with my BCR. However I'm getting very
stutteringcontrol of
> Live's .

With Midi merge if you are trying to output data and something comes in
the Midi in port you have to hold on to it in a memory buffer while you
finish your output, then you output whatever is in memory.
If the memory buffer is small or if the data from both units it
excessive the Korg will have what is called a framing error and throw
the new midi message away. At least this is how things normally work in
hardware.
At Abelton's end they are getting a midi data stream as if the Korg and
the BC are one unit and will have to try to seterate the data somehow.

>
> Here's what I'm doing and hopefully you can tell me where I'm going
wrong;
>
> I have 2 midi interfaces running (PadKontrol and on my Prosonus
Audio/midi
> card Both with one in and out). This is because I couldn't figure a
way to
> get midi back from the PC In to the BCR without creating a midi loop!

BC -> PK in -> PC
PC -> PK out -> BC
The only time you should get a loop is when Abelton joins the two
together.
As the PK doesn't produce a sound make sure the Midi thru is not
selected in Abelton
During payback Abelton should output the control data to the BC.

That all being said I have no idea what the PC will do with the stream
of Midi CC data coming out of Abelton which could get quite large.
Also the PK may be affected by the CC data from the BC at its input.

> So, my BCR output goes IN to my Presonus Input
> And my BCR Input comes from my PadKontrol output

I think you Presonus is a better bet

Try

BC -> Pro in -> PC
PC -> Pro out -> BC

Let me know how you get on

Royce

Hi Dan

> I got it working. By trial and error in the end.

Glad to hear you got it working.

> Here's how I did it in BCR Mode S-3;
>
> BCR OUT2/THRU - PRESONUS MIDI IN - PC

Why Out2 (The B output?) What mode are you in?

>
> PC - PRESONUS MIDI OUT - BCR IN
>
> And we are all very happy together, flashing lights and all.

Excellent

> Next question is how would I daisy chain two BCR's together in this
> formation so that they work together with complementary visual feedback?
> Does one machine work as the master and one as the slave in MCE? It would be
> nice to have 16 pots in a row available. But I am wondering how would I scan
> through banks and V-Pots in this formation....

Chaining while in emulation mode is something I haven't done and as I only have 1 BCF (and a BCR) I can't try it out.
Perhaps someone else in the group will be able to help you out although you seem to be trailblazing quite well 8)

> Is this possible not using USB connections for either BCR?? (I would simply
> load the same Mackie/Live sysex patch into the second machine and abandon
> the dodgy USB driver).

In the manual (do you have the latest from the Behringer website?) there is a picture of how to connect up 2 units. Note h the mode selection. Give that a try and see how you go.

All the best
Royce