Disklavier

-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850

When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument, http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en

I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models.  I thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).  Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?



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>
> The E3 is a Disklavier piano.
> 
> The DKC-850 is a replacement or add-on (depending on the model of the older Disklavier) unit that gives the older Disklavier many of the same capabilities that the E3 Disklavier has.
> 
> Bill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850
> 
> When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument, http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en
> 
> I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models.  I thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).  Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
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>
> The E3 is a Disklavier piano.
> 
> The DKC-850 is a replacement or add-on (depending on the model of the older Disklavier) unit that gives the older Disklavier many of the same capabilities that the E3 Disklavier has.
> 
> Bill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850
> 
> When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument, http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en
> 
> I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models.  I thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).  Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
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-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:36 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850

Thanks Bill for your reply.  I'm a little confused because I thought that the DKC-800 is the factory controller for E3 Disklavier pianos, while the DKC-850 is the controller to bring older Disklaviers to deliver "many" of the E3 capabilities.  

If the DKC-850 was used as a replacement in order to deliver "many" of the E3 Disklavier capabilities, if not "all", then what E3 capabilities would the DKC-850 be unable to give?.  

I would imagine Yamaha would have marketed the DKC-850 to deliver "all capabilities of E3".  But, it used the word "many".  Understand that Mark II cannot have streaming internet.  But for Mark II-XG and above, I'm wondering what are those E3 features that the DKC-850 cannot give.  

Same question applies to the pianosoft store:  Because they segmented E3 and DKC-850 models, it makes me wonder what media or downloadable content would one play that the other cannot.

Thanks again!

Curious Joe



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brandom <BBrandom@...> wrote:
>
> The E3 is a Disklavier piano.
> 
> The DKC-850 is a replacement or add-on (depending on the model of the older Disklavier) unit that gives the older Disklavier many of the same capabilities that the E3 Disklavier has.
> 
> Bill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850
> 
> When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument, http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en
> 
> I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models.  I thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).  Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
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> 
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>




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>
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You are right. The DKC-800 is the control unit that goes with the Disklavier E3. The DKC-850 is a control unit that can replace the control units of Mark IIXG and newer Disklavier pianos. It serves as an add-on unit for older Disklavier pianos.
> 
> The Disklavier E3 piano has the ability to play softer acoustically than other non-Mark IV Disklavier pianos. The DKC-850 does not cause any Disklavier to play softer than it could with the original control unit.
> 
> When the DKC-850 is used as an add-on unit Internet capability is lost.
> 
> I hope this information helps!
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:36 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850
> 
> Thanks Bill for your reply.  I'm a little confused because I thought that the DKC-800 is the factory controller for E3 Disklavier pianos, while the DKC-850 is the controller to bring older Disklaviers to deliver "many" of the E3 capabilities.  
> 
> If the DKC-850 was used as a replacement in order to deliver "many" of the E3 Disklavier capabilities, if not "all", then what E3 capabilities would the DKC-850 be unable to give?.  
> 
> I would imagine Yamaha would have marketed the DKC-850 to deliver "all capabilities of E3".  But, it used the word "many".  Understand that Mark II cannot have streaming internet.  But for Mark II-XG and above, I'm wondering what are those E3 features that the DKC-850 cannot give.  
> 
> Same question applies to the pianosoft store:  Because they segmented E3 and DKC-850 models, it makes me wonder what media or downloadable content would one play that the other cannot.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Curious Joe
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brandom <BBrandom@> wrote:
> >
> > The E3 is a Disklavier piano.
> > 
> > The DKC-850 is a replacement or add-on (depending on the model of the older Disklavier) unit that gives the older Disklavier many of the same capabilities that the E3 Disklavier has.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850
> > 
> > When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument, http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en
> > 
> > I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models.  I thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).  Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@ 
> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@ or give them this link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
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>

-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kassey22000
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 6:55 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850

Hi Bill, Good feedback and much appreciated.

It might explain why when I run the DKC-850 as the Replacement controller, the DC5-Pro acoustic piano portions of the songs overpowers the accompaniment in both the tone generator and the CD audio portions on even the lower volume levels.  When I then hook up the 850 as an Add-On unit, the piano portions are much quieter and I get the TG out to my amplifier at a more balance volume level.  

The downside is that not only do you loose Internet DRadio, some portions of SmartPiano songs (CD+MIDI) stop mid-stream (this does not happen with the 850 as the replacement).  It probably has something to do with the Midi signals being transferred through the Mark IIXG controller unit...perhaps. 

Bill, can you shed any light on what upcoming changes we might see in the next 850 firmware update that might address this and other differences between the current E-3 ver3.0 and the current 850?

KC
  

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brandom <BBrandom@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You are right. The DKC-800 is the control unit that goes with the Disklavier E3. The DKC-850 is a control unit that can replace the control units of Mark IIXG and newer Disklavier pianos. It serves as an add-on unit for older Disklavier pianos.
> 
> The Disklavier E3 piano has the ability to play softer acoustically than other non-Mark IV Disklavier pianos. The DKC-850 does not cause any Disklavier to play softer than it could with the original control unit.
> 
> When the DKC-850 is used as an add-on unit Internet capability is lost.
> 
> I hope this information helps!
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:36 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850
> 
> Thanks Bill for your reply.  I'm a little confused because I thought that the DKC-800 is the factory controller for E3 Disklavier pianos, while the DKC-850 is the controller to bring older Disklaviers to deliver "many" of the E3 capabilities.  
> 
> If the DKC-850 was used as a replacement in order to deliver "many" of the E3 Disklavier capabilities, if not "all", then what E3 capabilities would the DKC-850 be unable to give?.  
> 
> I would imagine Yamaha would have marketed the DKC-850 to deliver "all capabilities of E3".  But, it used the word "many".  Understand that Mark II cannot have streaming internet.  But for Mark II-XG and above, I'm wondering what are those E3 features that the DKC-850 cannot give.  
> 
> Same question applies to the pianosoft store:  Because they segmented E3 and DKC-850 models, it makes me wonder what media or downloadable content would one play that the other cannot.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Curious Joe
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brandom <BBrandom@> wrote:
> >
> > The E3 is a Disklavier piano.
> > 
> > The DKC-850 is a replacement or add-on (depending on the model of the older Disklavier) unit that gives the older Disklavier many of the same capabilities that the E3 Disklavier has.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850
> > 
> > When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument, http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en
> > 
> > I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models.  I thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).  Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@ or give them this link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
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> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
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>




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disklavier-owner@...

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-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brandom
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:03 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850

Hello KC,

I have noticed what you stated in the first paragraph. I will need to check that for myself.

I don't know what the changes will be with the next DKC-850 update. As soon as we know, we will put the word out to the group.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kassey22000
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 6:55 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850

Hi Bill, Good feedback and much appreciated.

It might explain why when I run the DKC-850 as the Replacement controller, the DC5-Pro acoustic piano portions of the songs overpowers the accompaniment in both the tone generator and the CD audio portions on even the lower volume levels.  When I then hook up the 850 as an Add-On unit, the piano portions are much quieter and I get the TG out to my amplifier at a more balance volume level.  

The downside is that not only do you loose Internet DRadio, some portions of SmartPiano songs (CD+MIDI) stop mid-stream (this does not happen with the 850 as the replacement).  It probably has something to do with the Midi signals being transferred through the Mark IIXG controller unit...perhaps. 

Bill, can you shed any light on what upcoming changes we might see in the next 850 firmware update that might address this and other differences between the current E-3 ver3.0 and the current 850?

KC
  

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brandom <BBrandom@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You are right. The DKC-800 is the control unit that goes with the Disklavier E3. The DKC-850 is a control unit that can replace the control units of Mark IIXG and newer Disklavier pianos. It serves as an add-on unit for older Disklavier pianos.
> 
> The Disklavier E3 piano has the ability to play softer acoustically than other non-Mark IV Disklavier pianos. The DKC-850 does not cause any Disklavier to play softer than it could with the original control unit.
> 
> When the DKC-850 is used as an add-on unit Internet capability is lost.
> 
> I hope this information helps!
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:36 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850
> 
> Thanks Bill for your reply.  I'm a little confused because I thought that the DKC-800 is the factory controller for E3 Disklavier pianos, while the DKC-850 is the controller to bring older Disklaviers to deliver "many" of the E3 capabilities.  
> 
> If the DKC-850 was used as a replacement in order to deliver "many" of the E3 Disklavier capabilities, if not "all", then what E3 capabilities would the DKC-850 be unable to give?.  
> 
> I would imagine Yamaha would have marketed the DKC-850 to deliver "all capabilities of E3".  But, it used the word "many".  Understand that Mark II cannot have streaming internet.  But for Mark II-XG and above, I'm wondering what are those E3 features that the DKC-850 cannot give.  
> 
> Same question applies to the pianosoft store:  Because they segmented E3 and DKC-850 models, it makes me wonder what media or downloadable content would one play that the other cannot.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Curious Joe
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Bill Brandom <BBrandom@> wrote:
> >
> > The E3 is a Disklavier piano.
> > 
> > The DKC-850 is a replacement or add-on (depending on the model of the older Disklavier) unit that gives the older Disklavier many of the same capabilities that the E3 Disklavier has.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nehs1975
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850
> > 
> > When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument, http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en
> > 
> > I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models.  I thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).  Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@ or give them this link:
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
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> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
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>




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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Brandom
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:06 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850


  

OOPS,KC I have NOT noticed what you stated in the first paragraph. (It is
amazing that one word can make so much difference in a sentence!)

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Bill Brandom
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:03 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850

Hello KC,

I have noticed what you stated in the first paragraph. I will need to check
that for myself.

I don't know what the changes will be with the next DKC-850 update. As soon
as we know, we will put the word out to the group.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of kassey22000
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 6:55 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850

Hi Bill, Good feedback and much appreciated.

It might explain why when I run the DKC-850 as the Replacement controller,
the DC5-Pro acoustic piano portions of the songs overpowers the
accompaniment in both the tone generator and the CD audio portions on even
the lower volume levels. When I then hook up the 850 as an Add-On unit, the
piano portions are much quieter and I get the TG out to my amplifier at a
more balance volume level. 

The downside is that not only do you loose Internet DRadio, some portions of
SmartPiano songs (CD+MIDI) stop mid-stream (this does not happen with the
850 as the replacement). It probably has something to do with the Midi
signals being transferred through the Mark IIXG controller unit...perhaps. 

Bill, can you shed any light on what upcoming changes we might see in the
next 850 firmware update that might address this and other differences
between the current E-3 ver3.0 and the current 850?

KC


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Bill Brandom <BBrandom@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You are right. The DKC-800 is the control unit that goes with the
Disklavier E3. The DKC-850 is a control unit that can replace the control
units of Mark IIXG and newer Disklavier pianos. It serves as an add-on unit
for older Disklavier pianos.
> 
> The Disklavier E3 piano has the ability to play softer acoustically than
other non-Mark IV Disklavier pianos. The DKC-850 does not cause any
Disklavier to play softer than it could with the original control unit.
> 
> When the DKC-850 is used as an add-on unit Internet capability is lost.
> 
> I hope this information helps!
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of nehs1975
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:36 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850
> 
> Thanks Bill for your reply. I'm a little confused because I thought that
the DKC-800 is the factory controller for E3 Disklavier pianos, while the
DKC-850 is the controller to bring older Disklaviers to deliver "many" of
the E3 capabilities. 
> 
> If the DKC-850 was used as a replacement in order to deliver "many" of the
E3 Disklavier capabilities, if not "all", then what E3 capabilities would
the DKC-850 be unable to give?. 
> 
> I would imagine Yamaha would have marketed the DKC-850 to deliver "all
capabilities of E3". But, it used the word "many". Understand that Mark II
cannot have streaming internet. But for Mark II-XG and above, I'm wondering
what are those E3 features that the DKC-850 cannot give. 
> 
> Same question applies to the pianosoft store: Because they segmented E3
and DKC-850 models, it makes me wonder what media or downloadable content
would one play that the other cannot.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Curious Joe
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Bill Brandom <BBrandom@> wrote:
> >
> > The E3 is a Disklavier piano.
> > 
> > The DKC-850 is a replacement or add-on (depending on the model of the
older Disklavier) unit that gives the older Disklavier many of the same
capabilities that the E3 Disklavier has.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of nehs1975
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:32 AM
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > Subject: [disklavier] E3 and DKC-850
> > 
> > When purchasing from the Yamaha website and selecting your instrument,
http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en
> > 
> > I noticed that the DKC-850 and E3 are two separate Disklavier models. I
thought that DKC-850 is an E3 system (much like a DKC-800 is an E3 system).
Would anyone here know why they might be two different classifications?
> > 
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JORGE FERNANDEZ
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:23 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: E3 and DKC-850




I am a litte confused here, what do you mean by "when used as an add-on"?

Connecting it using MIDI (IN/OUT) instead of the piano controller cable (many pins) direct to the DKV?

This is only in older DKV ones, pre MARKII XG, true?

Regards.

___,,,^..^,,,___
2011/3/22 athomik <mangez@...<mailto:mangez@...>>


The DKC850 has certain limitations when compared to the E3 series. I believe that the internet radio limitation, when used as an add-on, is down to copyright issues (i.e. it won't let you record live streamed, original performances via MIDI). The ability to play back ppp is, to a large extent, down to the technology of the key drive system. Before the Mark IV was introduced, there was no sophisticated servo system. This means that, on earlier Disklaviers,the solenoids hit the keys at a preset velocity, according to the MIDI information received and the data stored in the piano tables during calibration. There was no real-time control over the position of the keys, so even the most quiet notes had to be hit at a velocity which would guarantee that the inertia of the key, action and hammer is overcome and that particular note would sound (i.e. the hammer hits the strings). With the new Disklaviers, the servo feedback system allows the piano to work out exactly where the solenoid is at any time in relation to the keys and hammer, giving much more precise control.

athomik

From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:33:41 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

 


I'm working very hard nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
pianos.

Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:

piano sends something like this:
  <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" />

iPhone responds with something very similar: 
  <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />

I was hoping that Yamaha didn't  change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 
but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
this case...I don't know how long it is supposed to be...

Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  I'm 
quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
else.

Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around to 
sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...

Thanks!
-Kevin

From: Shelley Bacon <shelleybacon@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:32:14 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
Kevin - I can't help you with the iPhone, but I do have a quick question. Does 
the Android have an application for the Disklavier like the iPhone does? I just 
bought a Droid Global 2 since I will be in Africa for four months this year and 
wanted a phone my kids could use to call me in case of an emergency. One of our 
exchange daughters loaded the iPhone Disklavier app on her iPod and its very 
cool. What, if anything, does Droid have?

Shelley



________________________________
From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:33:41 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out




I'm working very hard nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
pianos.

Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:

piano sends something like this:
  <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" />

iPhone responds with something very similar: 
  <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />

I was hoping that Yamaha didn't  change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 
but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
this case...I don't know how long it is supposed to be...

Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  I'm 
quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
else.

Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around to 
sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...

Thanks!
-Kevin

From: Ron Ayanzen <ayanzen@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 11:28:48 AM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
If u do write an Android interface for the Mark IV, i'll be the first in line to 
use it.
It's only a matter of time before someone out there writes one...!
 

________________________________
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
From: kgoroway@...
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:39:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
Nothing exists to talk to the Disklavier from an Android, as far as I know. 
 Either Yamaha, or someone else (me?) would have to write one.  I could already 
do it for the MarkIV, since I know how to talk to it...but for now I'm 
concentrating on learning how to talk to the E3/DKC-850.



________________________________
 From: Shelley Bacon <shelleybacon@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:32:14 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  


Kevin - I can't help you with the iPhone, but I do have a quick question. Does 
the Android have an application for the Disklavier like the iPhone does? I just 
bought a Droid Global 2 since I will be in Africa for four months this year and 
wanted a phone my kids could use to call me in case of an emergency. One of our 
exchange daughters loaded the iPhone Disklavier app on her iPod and its very 
cool. What, if anything, does Droid have?

Shelley



________________________________
 From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:33:41 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out




I'm working very hard nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
pianos.

Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:

piano sends something like this:
  <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" />

iPhone responds with something very similar: 
  <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />

I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 
but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
this case...I don't know how long it is supposed to be...

Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  I'm 
quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
else.

Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around to 
sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...

Thanks!
-Kevin

From: Ron Ayanzen <ayanzen@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 3:46:57 PM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
You're probably right.  But then again you appear to have faired pretty well 
with the development of DKVbrowser.
Could the slope of this uphill journey be decreased if the Android developer 
were to collaborate with you?
 

________________________________
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
From: kgoroway@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:07:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
Unfortunately, due to Yamaha's restrictive policies toward 3rd party 
development...anyone who chose to write this app would be facing an uphill 
battle.  Otherwise, it would probably exist already!

I've spent about 16 hours solid in the past two days trying to connect to a 
DKC-850.  From the looks of it, I've got a bunch more hours to go before I can 
even decide if this is going to be a non-starter.  The problem is that most 
people wouldn't want to spend those hours.  I'm enjoying it, for now.  ;-)

Anyway, if it does turn out to be a reality...writing something for an Android 
OS would be simple.

-Kevin



________________________________
 From: Ron Ayanzen <ayanzen@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 11:28:48 AM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
If u do write an Android interface for the Mark IV, i'll be the first in line to 
use it.
It's only a matter of time before someone out there writes one...!
 


________________________________
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
From: kgoroway@...
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:39:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
Nothing exists to talk to the Disklavier from an Android, as far as I know. 
 Either Yamaha, or someone else (me?) would have to write one.  I could already 
do it for the MarkIV, since I know how to talk to it...but for now I'm 
concentrating on learning how to talk to the E3/DKC-850.



________________________________
 From: Shelley Bacon <shelleybacon@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:32:14 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  



Kevin - I can't help you with the iPhone, but I do have a quick question. Does 
the Android have an application for the Disklavier like the iPhone does? I just 
bought a Droid Global 2 since I will be in Africa for four months this year and 
wanted a phone my kids could use to call me in case of an emergency. One of our 
exchange daughters loaded the iPhone Disklavier app on her iPod and its very 
cool. What, if anything, does Droid have?

Shelley



________________________________
 From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:33:41 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out




I'm working very hard nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
pianos.

Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:

piano sends something like this:
  <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" />

iPhone responds with something very similar: 
  <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />

I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 
but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
this case...I don't know how long it is supposed to be...

Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  I'm 
quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
else.

Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around to 
sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...

Thanks!
-Kevin

From: Ron Ayanzen <ayanzen@hotmail.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 3:46:57 PM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

You're probably right. But then again you appear to have faired pretty well with the development of DKVbrowser.
Could the slope of this uphill journey be decreased if the Android developer were to collaborate with you?

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
From: kgoroway@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:07:57 -0700
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

Unfortunately, due to Yamaha's restrictive policies toward 3rd party development...anyone who chose to write this app would be facing an uphill battle. Otherwise, it would probably exist already!

I've spent about 16 hours solid in the past two days trying to connect to a DKC-850. From the looks of it, I've got a bunch more hours to go before I can even decide if this is going to be a non-starter. The problem is that most people wouldn't want to spend those hours. I'm enjoying it, for now. ;-)

Anyway, if it does turn out to be a reality...writing something for an Android OS would be simple.

-Kevin

From: Ron Ayanzen <ayanzen@hotmail.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 11:28:48 AM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

If u do write an Android interface for the Mark IV, i'll be the first in line to use it.
It's only a matter of time before someone out there writes one...!

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
From: kgoroway@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:39:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

Nothing exists to talk to the Disklavier from an Android, as far as I know. Either Yamaha, or someone else (me?) would have to write one. I could already do it for the MarkIV, since I know how to talk to it...but for now I'm concentrating on learning how to talk to the E3/DKC-850.

From: Shelley Bacon <shelleybacon@yahoo.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:32:14 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

Kevin - I can't help you with the iPhone, but I do have a quick question. Does the Android have an application for the Disklavier like the iPhone does? I just bought a Droid Global 2 since I will be in Africa for four months this year and wanted a phone my kids could use to call me in case of an emergency. One of our exchange daughters loaded the iPhone Disklavier app on her iPod and its very cool. What, if anything, does Droid have?

Shelley

From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:33:41 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Need technical owners of E3 to help out

I'm working very hard nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 pianos.

Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their network in promiscuous mode? This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless communication between the iPhone and the piano. I specifically need to see the encrypted handshake. It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:

piano sends something like this:

<rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" />

iPhone responds with something very similar:

<rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />

I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did. I think I'm close, but I'm missing a detail. The length of the response string is important in this case...I don't know how long it is supposed to be...

Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly? I'm quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone else.

Another odd request. And this one is a stretch. Does anyone out there have an old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow? I'm an android type guy, so I don't have one. Having an iPhone type thing around to sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...

Thanks!

-Kevin

>
> I'm working very hard nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
> pianos.
> 
> Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
> network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
> communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
> encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:
> 
> piano sends something like this:
>   <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" />
> 
> iPhone responds with something very similar: 
>   <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />
> 
> I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 
> but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
> this case...I don't know how long it is supposed to be...
> 
> Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  I'm 
> quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
> else.
> 
> Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
> old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
> an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around to 
> sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...
> 
> Thanks!
> -Kevin
>

From: slefff <nospam@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 6:30:31 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out

Hi Kevin,

I believe this is what you are looking for:

03:16:28.528611 IP 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy > 192.168.1.109.49389: P 
823676930:823677009(79) ack 1213525065 win 2896 <nop,nop,timestamp 2791162 
840178587>
    0x0000:  4500 0083 d94c 4000 4006 dceb c0a8 017f  E....L@.@.......
    0x0010:  c0a8 016d 0c77 c0ed 3118 5002 4854 ec49  ...m.w..1.P.HT.I
    0x0020:  8018 0b50 514c 0000 0101 080a 002a 96fa  ...PQL.......*..
    0x0030:  3214 1b9b 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  2...<rc_certific
    0x0040:  6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2253 4a61 3841  ate.param="SJa8A
    0x0050:  7077 4661 584a 5370 436e 7437 5077 7941  pwFaXJSpCnt7PwyA
    0x0060:  5a30 5248 6a31 5461 7273 3061 4439 4932  Z0RHj1Tars0aD9I2
    0x0070:  466f 6241 3533 5a48 7171 4d65 5522 202f  FobA53ZHqqMeU"./
    0x0080:  3e0a 00                                  >..

[...]

03:16:29.514337 IP 192.168.1.109.49389 > 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy: P 
1213525065:1213525161(96) ack 823677021 win 32942 <nop,nop,timestamp 840178597 
2791989>
    0x0000:  4500 0094 6d1f 4000 4006 4908 c0a8 016d  E...m.@.@.I....m
    0x0010:  c0a8 017f c0ed 0c77 4854 ec49 3118 505d  .......wHT.I1.P]
    0x0020:  8018 80ae 03b6 0000 0101 080a 3214 1ba5  ............2...
    0x0030:  002a 9a35 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  .*.5<rc_certific
    0x0040:  6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2255 3246 7364  ate.param="U2Fsd
    0x0050:  4756 6b58 312f 3063 6433 3262 6337 6565  GVkX1/0cd32bc7ee
    0x0060:  3664 3138 3131 3831 6662 6164 3037 6161  6d181181fbad07aa
    0x0070:  3165 3437 6532 3d22 2072 633d 2269 7068  1e47e2=".rc="iph
    0x0080:  6f6e 6522 2070 6173 7363 6f64 653d 2222  one".passcode=""
    0x0090:  202f 3e0a                                ./>.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else (like any other part of 
the dump or whatever).

Stefan.

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...> wrote:
>
> I'm working very hard nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
> pianos.
> 
> Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
> network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
> communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
>
> encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:
> 
> piano sends something like this:
>   <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" 
/>
> 
> iPhone responds with something very similar: 
>   <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />
> 
> I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 

> but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
> this case...I don't know how long it is supposed to be...
> 
> Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  
>I'm 
>
> quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
> else.
> 
> Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
>
> old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
>
> an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around 
>to 
>
> sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...
> 
> Thanks!
> -Kevin
>




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From: Shelley Bacon <shelleybacon@yahoo.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 10:58:19 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
I continue to be humbled by the sheer brilliance displayed by so many in this 
group. This looks like complete gibberish to me! 

Shelley



________________________________
From: slefff <nospam@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 6:30:31 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out

Hi Kevin,

I believe this is what you are looking for:

03:16:28.528611 IP 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy > 192.168.1.109.49389: P 
823676930:823677009(79) ack 1213525065 win 2896 <nop,nop,timestamp 2791162 
840178587>
    0x0000:  4500 0083 d94c 4000 4006 dceb c0a8 017f  E....L@.@.......
    0x0010:  c0a8 016d 0c77 c0ed 3118 5002 4854 ec49  ...m.w..1.P.HT.I
    0x0020:  8018 0b50 514c 0000 0101 080a 002a 96fa  ...PQL.......*..
    0x0030:  3214 1b9b 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  2...<rc_certific
    0x0040:  6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2253 4a61 3841  ate.param="SJa8A
    0x0050:  7077 4661 584a 5370 436e 7437 5077 7941  pwFaXJSpCnt7PwyA
    0x0060:  5a30 5248 6a31 5461 7273 3061 4439 4932   Z0RHj1Tars0aD9I2
    0x0070:  466f 6241 3533 5a48 7171 4d65 5522 202f  FobA53ZHqqMeU"./
    0x0080:  3e0a 00                                  >..

[...]

03:16:29.514337 IP 192.168.1.109.49389 > 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy: P 
1213525065:1213525161(96) ack 823677021 win 32942 <nop,nop,timestamp 840178597 
2791989>
    0x0000:  4500 0094 6d1f 4000 4006 4908 c0a8 016d  E...m.@.@.I....m
    0x0010:  c0a8 017f c0ed 0c77 4854 ec49 3118 505d  .......wHT.I1.P]
    0x0020:  8018 80ae 03b6 0000 0101 080a 3214 1ba5  ............2...
    0x0030:  002a 9a35 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  .*.5<rc_certific
    0x0040:   6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2255 3246 7364  ate.param="U2Fsd
    0x0050:  4756 6b58 312f 3063 6433 3262 6337 6565  GVkX1/0cd32bc7ee
    0x0060:  3664 3138 3131 3831 6662 6164 3037 6161  6d181181fbad07aa
    0x0070:  3165 3437 6532 3d22 2072 633d 2269 7068  1e47e2=".rc="iph
    0x0080:  6f6e 6522 2070 6173 7363 6f64 653d 2222  one".passcode=""
    0x0090:  202f 3e0a                                ./>.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else (like any other part of 
the dump or whatever).

Stefan.

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...> wrote:
>
> I'm working very hard  nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
> pianos.
> 
> Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
> network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
> communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
>
> encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:
> 
> piano sends something like this:
>   <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" 
/>
> 
> iPhone responds with something very similar: 
>   <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />
> 
> I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 

> but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
> this case...I don't know how long it is  supposed to be...
> 
> Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  
>I'm 
>
> quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
> else.
> 
> Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
>
> old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
>
> an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around 
>to 
>
> sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...
> 
> Thanks!
> -Kevin
>




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>
> Gibberish to you, but sheer GOLD from Stefan!  Thanks, that's *exactly* what I 
> needed to see, and *confirms* that the iphone is responding differently from 
> other remotes...now to figure out what it is doing. :-)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Shelley Bacon <shelleybacon@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 10:58:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out
> 
>   
> I continue to be humbled by the sheer brilliance displayed by so many in this 
> group. This looks like complete gibberish to me! 
> 
> Shelley
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: slefff <nospam@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 6:30:31 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I believe this is what you are looking for:
> 
> 03:16:28.528611 IP 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy > 192.168.1.109.49389: P 
> 823676930:823677009(79) ack 1213525065 win 2896 <nop,nop,timestamp 2791162 
> 840178587>
>     0x0000:  4500 0083 d94c 4000 4006 dceb c0a8 017f  E....L@@.......
>     0x0010:  c0a8 016d 0c77 c0ed 3118 5002 4854 ec49  ...m.w..1.P.HT.I
>     0x0020:  8018 0b50 514c 0000 0101 080a 002a 96fa  ...PQL.......*..
>     0x0030:  3214 1b9b 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  2...<rc_certific
>     0x0040:  6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2253 4a61 3841  ate.param="SJa8A
>     0x0050:  7077 4661 584a 5370 436e 7437 5077 7941  pwFaXJSpCnt7PwyA
>     0x0060:  5a30 5248 6a31 5461 7273 3061 4439 4932   Z0RHj1Tars0aD9I2
>     0x0070:  466f 6241 3533 5a48 7171 4d65 5522 202f  FobA53ZHqqMeU"./
>     0x0080:  3e0a 00                                  >..
> 
> [...]
> 
> 03:16:29.514337 IP 192.168.1.109.49389 > 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy: P 
> 1213525065:1213525161(96) ack 823677021 win 32942 <nop,nop,timestamp 840178597 
> 2791989>
>     0x0000:  4500 0094 6d1f 4000 4006 4908 c0a8 016d  E...m.@@.I....m
>     0x0010:  c0a8 017f c0ed 0c77 4854 ec49 3118 505d  .......wHT.I1.P]
>     0x0020:  8018 80ae 03b6 0000 0101 080a 3214 1ba5  ............2...
>     0x0030:  002a 9a35 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  .*.5<rc_certific
>     0x0040:   6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2255 3246 7364  ate.param="U2Fsd
>     0x0050:  4756 6b58 312f 3063 6433 3262 6337 6565  GVkX1/0cd32bc7ee
>     0x0060:  3664 3138 3131 3831 6662 6164 3037 6161  6d181181fbad07aa
>     0x0070:  3165 3437 6532 3d22 2072 633d 2269 7068  1e47e2=".rc="iph
>     0x0080:  6f6e 6522 2070 6173 7363 6f64 653d 2222  one".passcode=""
>     0x0090:  202f 3e0a                                ./>.
> 
> I hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else (like any other part of 
> the dump or whatever).
> 
> Stefan.
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm working very hard  nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
> > pianos.
> > 
> > Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
> > network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
> > communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see the 
> >
> > encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:
> > 
> > piano sends something like this:
> >   <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" 
> />
> > 
> > iPhone responds with something very similar: 
> >   <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />
> > 
> > I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did.  I think I'm close, 
> 
> > but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 
> > this case...I don't know how long it is  supposed to be...
> > 
> > Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly?  
> >I'm 
> >
> > quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
> > else.
> > 
> > Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have an 
> >
> > old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  I'm 
> >
> > an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around 
> >to 
> >
> > sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > -Kevin
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:  disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send 
> it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
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> 
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>

>
> Gibberish to you, but sheer GOLD from Stefan!  Thanks, that's *exactly* what I 

> needed to see, and *confirms* that the iphone is responding differently from 
> other remotes...now to figure out what it is doing. :-)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Shelley Bacon <shelleybacon@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 10:58:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out
> 
> 
> I continue to be humbled by the sheer brilliance displayed by so many in this 
> group. This looks like complete gibberish to me! 
> 
> Shelley
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: slefff <nospam@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 6:30:31 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I believe this is what you are looking for:
> 
> 03:16:28.528611 IP 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy > 192.168.1.109.49389: P 
> 823676930:823677009(79) ack 1213525065 win 2896 <nop,nop,timestamp 2791162 
> 840178587>
>     0x0000:  4500 0083 d94c 4000 4006 dceb c0a8 017f  E....L@@.......
>     0x0010:  c0a8 016d 0c77 c0ed 3118 5002 4854 ec49  ...m.w..1.P.HT.I
>     0x0020:  8018 0b50 514c 0000 0101 080a 002a 96fa  ...PQL.......*..
>     0x0030:  3214 1b9b 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  2...<rc_certific
>     0x0040:  6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2253 4a61 3841  ate.param="SJa8A
>     0x0050:  7077 4661 584a 5370 436e 7437 5077 7941  pwFaXJSpCnt7PwyA
>     0x0060:  5a30 5248 6a31 5461 7273 3061 4439 4932   Z0RHj1Tars0aD9I2
>     0x0070:  466f 6241 3533 5a48 7171 4d65 5522 202f  FobA53ZHqqMeU"./
>     0x0080:  3e0a 00                                  >..
> 
> [...]
> 
> 03:16:29.514337 IP 192.168.1.109.49389 > 192.168.1.127.csvr-sslproxy: P 
> 1213525065:1213525161(96) ack 823677021 win 32942 <nop,nop,timestamp 840178597 

> 2791989>
>     0x0000:  4500 0094 6d1f 4000 4006 4908 c0a8 016d  E...m.@@.I....m
>     0x0010:  c0a8 017f c0ed 0c77 4854 ec49 3118 505d  .......wHT.I1.P]
>     0x0020:  8018 80ae 03b6 0000 0101 080a 3214 1ba5  ............2...
>     0x0030:  002a 9a35 3c72 635f 6365 7274 6966 6963  .*.5<rc_certific
>     0x0040:   6174 6520 7061 7261 6d3d 2255 3246 7364  ate.param="U2Fsd
>     0x0050:  4756 6b58 312f 3063 6433 3262 6337 6565  GVkX1/0cd32bc7ee
>     0x0060:  3664 3138 3131 3831 6662 6164 3037 6161  6d181181fbad07aa
>     0x0070:  3165 3437 6532 3d22 2072 633d 2269 7068  1e47e2=".rc="iph
>     0x0080:  6f6e 6522 2070 6173 7363 6f64 653d 2222  one".passcode=""
>     0x0090:  202f 3e0a                                ./>.
> 
> I hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else (like any other part 
>of 
>
> the dump or whatever).
> 
> Stefan.
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm working very hard  nowadays to get DKVBrowser working on E3 and DKC-850 
> > pianos.
> > 
> > Is anyone out there with an E3/iPhone and the ability to packet sniff their 
> > network in promiscuous mode?  This would allow your PC to "hear" wireless 
> > communication between the iPhone and the piano.  I specifically need to see 
>the 
>
> >
> > encrypted handshake.  It should be in plain-text, and looks like this:
> > 
> > piano sends something like this:
> >   <rc_certificate param="dQJLQReq3eilwMAMkaAIPXLNheB9UsE8gnR4c6udiKyMw6xRg7" 

> />
> > 
> > iPhone responds with something very similar: 
> >   <rc_certificate param="sEcx4E9XLbwjjWVxVglndLF0DvWytMRc" />
> > 
> > I was hoping that Yamaha didn't change this, but they did.  I think I'm 
>close, 
>
> 
> > but I'm missing a detail.  The length of the response string is important in 

> > this case...I don't know how long it is  supposed to be...
> > 
> > Also, anyone out their happen to be experienced in reading ARM disassembly? 
> >I'm 
> >
> > quickly learning, but it would help to be able to bounce ideas off of someone 
>
> > else.
> > 
> > Another odd request.  And this one is a stretch.  Does anyone out there have 
>an 
>
> >
> > old/unused iPod Touch, iPhone that they would be willing to let me borrow?  
>I'm 
>
> >
> > an android type guy, so I don't have one.  Having an iPhone type thing around 
>
> >to 
> >
> > sniff the packets myself would be very helpful...
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > -Kevin
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:  disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, 
>send 
>
> it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
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> the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on 
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> 
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>

From: Ron Ayanzen <ayanzen@hotmail.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 5:27:29 PM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
Congratulations, and well done!
 

________________________________
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
From: kgoroway@...
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 14:18:16 -0700
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out

  
I did it.  After about 4 days of solid work (so much for vacation this week!), 
I've figured out the "encrypted" handshake between the DKC-850/E3 and 
the iPhone.  I also have a pretty good sense of how the iPhone talks to the 
"database" on the piano.

You can't believe have pleased I am, and how frustrated I have been over the 
passed few days.  Oh, and today's my birthday.  Not a bad present to myself. 
 ;-)

Major thanks to Stefan for showing me what it was supposed to look like.  I 
spent the majority of the day trying to make sense of what he showed me, and I 
finally was able to reproduce the "answer" from the "question."

Now, off to make DKVBrowser actually send the right response.

-Kevin

Greetings Kevin,

A lot of us on this thread are DKC-850 owners, so have been following your progress with interest.

For those of us unfamiliar with the DKVBrowser, or the iPhone app - maybe you can give us a quick overview of what can be expected.

Any info will be appreciated.

Regards,

Rich Freeman

On Apr 1, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

I did it. After about 4 days of solid work (so much for vacation this week!), I've figured out the "encrypted" handshake between the DKC-850/E3 and the iPhone. I also have a pretty good sense of how the iPhone talks to the "database" on the piano.

You can't believe have pleased I am, and how frustrated I have been over the passed few days. Oh, and today's my birthday. Not a bad present to myself. ;-)

Major thanks to Stefan for showing me what it was supposed to look like. I spent the majority of the day trying to make sense of what he showed me, and I finally was able to reproduce the "answer" from the "question."

Now, off to make DKVBrowser actually send the right response.

-Kevin

I say we little band of merry folk contribute to Kevin's Birthday.

Kevin can we send you a little gift?

If someone starts quoting copyright law or something I'll go crazy.
S

On 2011-04-01, at 9:03 PM, "Stephen Medler" <smedler@...> wrote:


  
>I say we little band of merry folk contribute to Kevin's Birthday.
>
>Kevin can we send you a little gift?
>
>If someone starts quoting copyright law or something I'll go crazy.
>S
>

>
> I did it.  After about 4 days of solid work (so much for vacation this week!), 
> I've figured out the "encrypted" handshake between the DKC-850/E3 and 
> the iPhone.  I also have a pretty good sense of how the iPhone talks to the 
> "database" on the piano.
> 
> You can't believe have pleased I am, and how frustrated I have been over the 
> passed few days.  Oh, and today's my birthday.  Not a bad present to myself. 
>  ;-)
> 
> Major thanks to Stefan for showing me what it was supposed to look like.  I 
> spent the majority of the day trying to make sense of what he showed me, and I 
> finally was able to reproduce the "answer" from the "question."
> 
> Now, off to make DKVBrowser actually send the right response.
> 
> -Kevin
>

>
> Yes, Jeff has been generous. And it is appreciated!
> 
> The problem with this suggestion, though, is that the people with E3 and DKC-850 
> piano's can't see the donate button yet. :-)
> 
> No need for birthday presents.  But thank you for the thought...but remember the 
> spirit when you *can* see the donate button in a short while. :-)
> 
> On a slightly more serious note.  DKVBrowser was always a project that I was 
> doing for myself, to make using my piano more enjoyable/simple to use.  The fact 
> that others benefit from that work is fantastic.  At the same time, it allowed 
> me to write code which I had no longer been doing for my real job.  Times have 
> changed.  I now write code again full-time at work...so that urge is already 
> being satisfied.  And, I don't own a DKC-850, or an E3.  DKVBrowser is rather 
> stable and feature complete for the Mark IV.  So, all of this effort and time 
> and expense is being put into DKVBrowser exclusively for people other than 
> myself this time.  I do it because of the challenge, and because I love it.  A 
> little bit of me keeps hoping that Yamaha will see what is possible and open up 
> the doors for 3rd party development.
> 
> For those of you who aren't too familiar with DKVBrowser, there is some 
> (somewhat outdated) information here, including screenshots, and a lengthly user 
> manual that Nancy did a fantastic job on.
> 
> http://dkvbrowser.sourceforge.net/
> 
> If you are curious how this applies to the E3/DKC-850, I can only say that I'm 
> approaching this with the same level of intensity that I approached it for the 
> MarkIV.  The goal is to make every feature that is available on the technology 
> available from within DKVBrowser.  It's very unlikely that the DKC-850/E3 
> support karaoke, for example...so that feature wouldn't be there.  There are 
> plenty of other things which simply don't exist on those pianos (comments, last 
> played date, all sorts of information about songs, etc.), and those features 
> will just have to be hidden, or not work.  But, I have high hopes that in-place 
> editing of song names/album names/song order/album order, and things like drag 
> and drop creation of playlists will continue to be functional.
> 
> Back to work I go.
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jeff Kovitz <jeff.kovitz@...>
> To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:25:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out
> 
>   
> The "donate" button in DkvBrowser would be a great first step.  I've used it 
> several times....
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad - typos show strong character...
> 
> On 2011-04-01, at 9:03 PM, "Stephen Medler" <smedler@...> wrote:
> 
> 
>   
> >I say we little band of merry folk contribute to Kevin's Birthday.
> >
> >Kevin can we send you a little gift?
> >
> >If someone starts quoting copyright law or something I'll go crazy.
> >S
> >
>

>
> Kevin, 
> 
> The most current manual version 1.8 which I edited and produced, can be found on the download link page along with current version of program at:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/dkvbrowser/files/
> 
> The documentation link yields the old manual version .99 that Nancy originated and is outdated.
> 
> Joan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Jeff has been generous. And it is appreciated!
> > 
> > The problem with this suggestion, though, is that the people with E3 and DKC-850 
> > piano's can't see the donate button yet. :-)
> > 
> > No need for birthday presents.  But thank you for the thought...but remember the 
> > spirit when you *can* see the donate button in a short while. :-)
> > 
> > On a slightly more serious note.  DKVBrowser was always a project that I was 
> > doing for myself, to make using my piano more enjoyable/simple to use.  The fact 
> > that others benefit from that work is fantastic.  At the same time, it allowed 
> > me to write code which I had no longer been doing for my real job.  Times have 
> > changed.  I now write code again full-time at work...so that urge is already 
> > being satisfied.  And, I don't own a DKC-850, or an E3.  DKVBrowser is rather 
> > stable and feature complete for the Mark IV.  So, all of this effort and time 
> > and expense is being put into DKVBrowser exclusively for people other than 
> > myself this time.  I do it because of the challenge, and because I love it.  A 
> > little bit of me keeps hoping that Yamaha will see what is possible and open up 
> > the doors for 3rd party development.
> > 
> > For those of you who aren't too familiar with DKVBrowser, there is some 
> > (somewhat outdated) information here, including screenshots, and a lengthly user 
> > manual that Nancy did a fantastic job on.
> > 
> > http://dkvbrowser.sourceforge.net/
> > 
> > If you are curious how this applies to the E3/DKC-850, I can only say that I'm 
> > approaching this with the same level of intensity that I approached it for the 
> > MarkIV.  The goal is to make every feature that is available on the technology 
> > available from within DKVBrowser.  It's very unlikely that the DKC-850/E3 
> > support karaoke, for example...so that feature wouldn't be there.  There are 
> > plenty of other things which simply don't exist on those pianos (comments, last 
> > played date, all sorts of information about songs, etc.), and those features 
> > will just have to be hidden, or not work.  But, I have high hopes that in-place 
> > editing of song names/album names/song order/album order, and things like drag 
> > and drop creation of playlists will continue to be functional.
> > 
> > Back to work I go.
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jeff Kovitz <jeff.kovitz@>
> > To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:25:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out
> > 
> >   
> > The "donate" button in DkvBrowser would be a great first step.  I've used it 
> > several times....
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad - typos show strong character...
> > 
> > On 2011-04-01, at 9:03 PM, "Stephen Medler" <smedler@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > >I say we little band of merry folk contribute to Kevin's Birthday.
> > >
> > >Kevin can we send you a little gift?
> > >
> > >If someone starts quoting copyright law or something I'll go crazy.
> > >S
> > >
> >
>

>
> Yes, Jeff has been generous. And it is appreciated!
> 
> The problem with this suggestion, though, is that the people with E3 and 
>DKC-850 
>
> piano's can't see the donate button yet. :-)
> 
> No need for birthday presents.  But thank you for the thought...but remember 
>the 
>
> spirit when you *can* see the donate button in a short while. :-)
> 
> On a slightly more serious note.  DKVBrowser was always a project that I was 
> doing for myself, to make using my piano more enjoyable/simple to use.  The 
>fact 
>
> that others benefit from that work is fantastic.  At the same time, it allowed 

> me to write code which I had no longer been doing for my real job.  Times have 

> changed.  I now write code again full-time at work...so that urge is already 
> being satisfied.  And, I don't own a DKC-850, or an E3.  DKVBrowser is rather 
> stable and feature complete for the Mark IV.  So, all of this effort and time 
> and expense is being put into DKVBrowser exclusively for people other than 
> myself this time.  I do it because of the challenge, and because I love it.  A 

> little bit of me keeps hoping that Yamaha will see what is possible and open up 
>
> the doors for 3rd party development.
> 
> For those of you who aren't too familiar with DKVBrowser, there is some 
> (somewhat outdated) information here, including screenshots, and a lengthly 
>user 
>
> manual that Nancy did a fantastic job on.
> 
> http://dkvbrowser.sourceforge.net/
> 
> If you are curious how this applies to the E3/DKC-850, I can only say that I'm 

> approaching this with the same level of intensity that I approached it for the 

> MarkIV.  The goal is to make every feature that is available on the technology 

> available from within DKVBrowser.  It's very unlikely that the DKC-850/E3 
> support karaoke, for example...so that feature wouldn't be there.  There are 
> plenty of other things which simply don't exist on those pianos (comments, last 
>
> played date, all sorts of information about songs, etc.), and those features 
> will just have to be hidden, or not work.  But, I have high hopes that in-place 
>
> editing of song names/album names/song order/album order, and things like drag 

> and drop creation of playlists will continue to be functional.
> 
> Back to work I go.
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jeff Kovitz <jeff.kovitz@...>
> To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 10:25:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Need technical owners of E3 to help out
> 
> 
> The "donate" button in DkvBrowser would be a great first step.  I've used it 
> several times....
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad - typos show strong character...
> 
> On 2011-04-01, at 9:03 PM, "Stephen Medler" <smedler@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >I say we little band of merry folk contribute to Kevin's Birthday.
> >
> >Kevin can we send you a little gift?
> >
> >If someone starts quoting copyright law or something I'll go crazy.
> >S
> >
>