EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

> Hendrik Jan Veenstra [mailto:h@...] wrote:
>> Isn't there some confusion here as to what window we're talking
>> about?  Open an EXS instance, and in the EXS interface, click the
>> Edit button left of the green display that shows the loaded
>> instrument's name.  That opens an instrument editor, which has it's
>> own menu's.  In one of those menu's you find the "Preferences" in
>> which the prev/next stuff is located.
> 
> It isn't there, sorry.

Same here.
Logic Audio Platinum Legit 4.81, EXS24 legit
PowerMac G4 dual800

In above mentioned window (Title="EXS24 instrument editor"), under its own
EDIT menu, I see Preferences. It opens a window with the following options:

SR Conversion
Sample Storage
Velocity Curve
AKAI Convert thru
Search samples in
EXS24 TDM Mode
Read key note from
Key note at filename pos

But nothing about program change or prev/next stuff.
What am I missing?

About using numerical +/- keys in any "clicked-once" non-graphical field,
this works, and I didn't really remember we had this functionality in Logic.
Made my day :)))


Ruben

I said earlier:
 
> It isn't there, sorry.

Ruben [mailto:ruben@...] agreed:

>Same here.
>Logic Audio Platinum Legit 4.81, EXS24 legit
>PowerMac G4 dual800

>In above mentioned window (Title="EXS24 instrument editor"), 
>under its own EDIT menu, I see Preferences. It opens a 
window with the following options:
>SR Conversion
>Sample Storage
>Velocity Curve
>AKAI Convert thru
>Search samples in
>EXS24 TDM Mode
>Read key note from Key note at filename pos
>But nothing about program change or prev/next stuff.

Apart from TDM mode that is similar to what I have on Gold 481 windows.
Well, there you have it, the *mistery of the EXS releases*. My guess:
Logic 5 owners have a somewhat different feature set. If only someone at
Emagic would tune in once in a while and clarify all this...
Regards,
Herbert Boland

Ruben said:
>Logic Audio Platinum Legit 4.81, EXS24 legit
>PowerMac G4 dual800
>
>In above mentioned window (Title="EXS24 instrument editor"), under its own
>EDIT menu, I see Preferences. It opens a window with the following options:
>
>SR Conversion
>Sample Storage
>Velocity Curve
>AKAI Convert thru
>Search samples in
>EXS24 TDM Mode
>Read key note from
>Key note at filename pos
>
>But nothing about program change or prev/next stuff.
>What am I missing?

In LAMP 5.1.3, I have 2 more options:
Previous instrument
Next instrument

As I recall, Logic v5 also introduced EXS24 Virtual memory management 
as standard.

>About using numerical +/- keys in any "clicked-once" non-graphical field,
>this works, and I didn't really remember we had this functionality in Logic.
>Made my day :)))

Except it doesn't work in float windows. Try using it in an Event 
list as a normal window, then in an event list as a float. Also, key 
commands don't generally work with float windows.

So....this +/- thing won't work for inc/dec of presets in EXS24, ES1, 
ES2 etc etc.

Maybe Emagic considers this to be a feature. I consider it to be a 
bug (and a pain in the butt).

Regards - Colin

>From: Colin Shapiro <musos@...>
>
>In LAMP 5.1.3, I have 2 more options:
>Previous instrument
>Next instrument

In LAMP 4.8.1 those are in the instrument menu. You can assign key-commands
to them, too.


>>About using numerical +/- keys in any "clicked-once" non-graphical field,
>>this works, and I didn't really remember we had this functionality in Logic.
>>Made my day :)))
>
>Except it doesn't work in float windows. Try using it in an Event
>list as a normal window, then in an event list as a float. Also, key
>commands don't generally work with float windows.

You can open any PlugIn as a non floating (i.e. normal) window by holding
command/option while double-clicking the plug entry in the mixer channel.
If you then change EXS's Edit view to Controls view, any parameter
including instrument-selection can be controlled by +/- keys after first
being selected/'highlighted'. You must not have any key-command assigned to
the +/- keys for this to work.


>So....this +/- thing won't work for inc/dec of presets in EXS24, ES1,
>ES2 etc etc.

True, for preset selection it doesn't work, but at least for instrument
selection it does. So no need to open the Instrument Edit window.


Apologies if the above has been mentioned before, i haven't been following
the thread completely.

Alberto Rockuno wrote:
>You can open any PlugIn as a non floating (i.e. normal) window by holding
>command/option while double-clicking the plug entry in the mixer channel.

!!!! You're a constant source of amazing info!!! How did you work that one out?
One problem though (in the environment window):
As soon as you hold <command>, a second Tool is selected, so you have 
to make the Arrow the second tool also.
In the Track mixer, this is not a problem of course.

MANY thanks for that tip!!!!!!!!!!!

>If you then change EXS's Edit view to Controls view, any parameter
>including instrument-selection can be controlled by +/- keys after first
>being selected/'highlighted'. You must not have any key-command assigned to
>the +/- keys for this to work.
>
>>So....this +/- thing won't work for inc/dec of presets in EXS24, ES1,
>>ES2 etc etc.
>
>True, for preset selection it doesn't work, but at least for instrument
>selection it does. So no need to open the Instrument Edit window.

Yes, this is fine for EXS24, but there is no field in the ES1, ES2, 
ESM, ESP, ESE or EVOC that allows any patch selection by this means. 
At least the plugin window displays the name of the preset (which 
wasn't the case originally). I wish Emagic would implement a <preset 
name> field for all of the above.

Thanks again
Colin

when selecting an instrument from the exs-menu it takes about

5-20 seconds 

to load it. whatching this its rather a question of how many samples have to
be loaded than of how big they are.
i also noticed that after importing a complete akai cd the loadtime is much
reduced. after i moved the samples and .exs files into apropriate folders
things are back to slowmotion again. refreshing, reloading doesnt change it.

whats the trick of reducing the exs loadtimes to the very minimum?

thanks,
u.


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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [exs] how to speed up load time of exs-instruments ?


> when selecting an instrument from the exs-menu it takes about
>
> 5-20 seconds
> to load it. whatching this its rather a question of how many samples have
to
> be loaded than of how big they are.
> i also noticed that after importing a complete akai cd the loadtime is
much
> reduced. after i moved the samples and .exs files into apropriate folders
> things are back to slowmotion again. refreshing, reloading doesnt change
it.
> whats the trick of reducing the exs loadtimes to the very minimum?
> thanks,
> u.

how many exs files do you have ??

>> when selecting an instrument from the exs-menu it takes about
>> 
>> 5-20 seconds
>> to load it. whatching this its rather a question of how many samples have
>> to
>> be loaded than of how big they are.
>> i also noticed that after importing a complete akai cd the loadtime is
>> much
>> reduced. after i moved the samples and .exs files into apropriate folders
>> things are back to slowmotion again. refreshing, reloading doesnt change
>> it.
>> whats the trick of reducing the exs loadtimes to the very minimum?

 
> how many exs files do you have ??


my "sampler instruments" folder is about 250mb. (thats not the samples, just
the exs files)

does this make a diference for each individual load?

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>From: Colin Shapiro <musos@...>
>
>Alberto Rockuno wrote:
>>You can open any PlugIn as a non floating (i.e. normal) window by holding
>>command/option while double-clicking the plug entry in the mixer channel.
>
>One problem though (in the environment window):
>As soon as you hold <command>, a second Tool is selected, so you have
>to make the Arrow the second tool also.
>In the Track mixer, this is not a problem of course.


No problem in the environment window as well, as it also works with
shift/option or control/option (should have mentioned all three before).

> > how many exs files do you have ??
>
>
> my "sampler instruments" folder is about 250mb. (thats not the samples,
just
> the exs files)
>
> does this make a diference for each individual load?

I don't know, but if you have 250mo of exs Files you must have more than
5000 files ! which is a lot ...
I don't think you can load them more quickly than 20 seconds...
20seconds for 250mo, do you think it is slow ? :o)

Is it on a Speedy HD ? 7200rpm ?

Igor

> I don't know, but if you have 250mo of exs Files you must have more than
> 5000 files ! which is a lot ...

yes, its a lot. everything i sampled & collected since s1000.

> I don't think you can load them more quickly than 20 seconds...
> 20seconds for 250mo, do you think it is slow ? :o)

you are confusing me!
i am talking about loading one instrument not all of them...
so lets say one instrument which has 8 samples making up a total of 2 MB
will take 15 seconds of loadtime... that is too slow! and makes it
impossible to search/prelisten for sounds.

why would the total amount of exsiting files reduce the loadspeed of a
single file?

> Is it on a Speedy HD ? 7200rpm ?

ibm deskstar GXP-120 80 GB ... it ok, and no click of death yet.

ulf.
g4/400
LAMP/5.13

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> I don't know, but if you have 250mo of exs Files you must have more than
> 5000 files ! which is a lot ...
> I don't think you can load them more quickly than 20 seconds...
> 20seconds for 250mo, do you think it is slow ? :o)
> 
> Is it on a Speedy HD ? 7200rpm ?

Also, are these instruments you've used before are are they being loaded for
the first time? When I moved some of my instruments, the first time they
load, they take much longer. Once loaded, reloading later is much quicker.
It's has to do with the initial location scan. -Jer

> Also, are these instruments you've used before are are they being loaded for
> the first time? When I moved some of my instruments, the first time they
> load, they take much longer. Once loaded, reloading later is much quicker.
> It's has to do with the initial location scan. -Jer

so my long load times are NOT normal then?
the "refresh menu" doesnt help.
loading and reloading, ähm, well, not really speeds up my workflow... why
would i unload once i had a sip of coffee during the initial load. or do you
mean i have to load ALL instruments once in order for logic to be able to
load them at a reasonable time ever after (even after reboot) ...

if that is so than the exs is a very poor programming ... please let it load
and look at all the instruments at night if it needs it, just like indexing.

further thoughts are apreciated,
thanks, 
ulf.

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> so my long load times are NOT normal then?
> the "refresh menu" doesnt help.
> loading and reloading, ähm, well, not really speeds up my workflow... why
> would i unload once i had a sip of coffee during the initial load. or do you
> mean i have to load ALL instruments once in order for logic to be able to
> load them at a reasonable time ever after (even after reboot)

That's not at all what I said. I don't know if they are "normal" or not.
What I said was, they may be longer than normal if it's the first time you
are loading a particular instrument. Once you load, then remove and reload
an instrument, does it take the same length of time, or is it quicker now?

> i also noticed that after importing a complete
    > akai cd the loadtime is much reduced. after i
    > moved the samples and .exs files into apropriate
    > folders things are back to slowmotion again.
    > refreshing, reloading doesnt change it.

The reason they load faster when you initially convert them is because the
EXS files point directly to the audio files, therefore the EXS just loads
the audio files fairly quickly.

If you move the audio files, then when the EXS loads the .exs file, it goes
to load the first sample and doesn't find it. Rather than reporting "file
not found", the EXS then goes away and searches your hard drives for the
correct file, and it does this for each audio file that it can't find, and
it's this that takes a while.

Once it has found the correct samples, it rewrites this new location back to
the EXS file so the next time it is loaded, a search will not have to be
done.

So the moral is: convert the audio files to the actual destination you will
put them, or use EXS Manager (PC) to bulk update the sample locations of
your exs instruments.

Ben Hall
www.benhall.co.uk

> mean i have to load ALL instruments once in order for logic to be able to
> load them at a reasonable time ever after

Sorry, I misread your email. The answer to this question is yes, but it
bears explaining: instruments created on your current machine and not moved
or copied to it should not have this problem. It's only when the EXS24
doesn't know where the samples are stored that it goes through the longer
load process. I hope that makes sense.

>> so my long load times are NOT normal then?
>> the "refresh menu" doesnt help.
>> loading and reloading, ähm, well, not really speeds up my workflow... why
>> would i unload once i had a sip of coffee during the initial load. or do you
>> mean i have to load ALL instruments once in order for logic to be able to
>> load them at a reasonable time ever after (even after reboot)

> That's not at all what I said.

i am sorry for misunderstanding.

> I don't know if they are "normal" or not.

but does anyone else have loading times up to 15 seconds.

especially if i have my backup drive mounted which has the same samples, i
will be asked where i want to load the samples from then, but no way of
saying: "just forget about this one drive, load from the one that you always
load from please" ... so i am asked again and again the same thing, making
searching thru a libary unpossible.

but also if the 2nd drive is NOT mounted the load times are too long to
enjoy and i wonder if i am the onlyone.

> What I said was, they may be longer than normal if it's the first time you
> are loading a particular instrument. Once you load, then remove and reload
> an instrument, does it take the same length of time, or is it quicker now?

if i load the same instrument a second time its load time is faster, but
only as long as i dont quit logic, so this doesnt help the general
slowlyness.

ulf

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> if i load the same instrument a second time its load time is faster, but
> only as long as i dont quit logic, so this doesnt help the general
> slowlyness.

That's very strange. It's almost like it's forgetting the location once you
quit. Are you on Mac? You might try rebuilding your desktop file (hold down
OPTION + APPLE keys during boot). Or rebuilding your directory structure
using Disk Warrior (a mush-have).

if i load the same instrument a second time its load time is faster, but
only as long as i dont quit logic, so this doesnt help the general
slowlyness.

ulf

Maybe if you save again those programs they will be load quickly...
In the "Preference" ( EDIT menu) there is something you can look at :
Search samples on :
a
b
c
etc...

Igor


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ahh, thanks ben for this info.

i might know now why its all slow for me:

i moved the complete "exsdrive1" to "exsdrive2" (backup) and back somethimes
or reorganize the folder structure, so that migh be why even once resaved
files are slow again.

> Once it has found the correct samples, it rewrites this new location back to
> the EXS file so the next time it is loaded, a search will not have to be
> done.

ok, so does the exs update the samplefileinfo upon loading it or do i need
to save the file?

> So the moral is: convert the audio files to the actual destination
> you will
> put them, 

thats not possible as far as i know.
if i create a folder upon importing a complete akai cd, only the .exs files
will be put inside there, the samples are thrown by volume into the
akaisamples folder ... i have to manually move them in a folder to ever be
able to reloacate them by hand.

> or use EXS Manager (PC) to bulk update the sample locations of
> your exs instruments.

im on MAC here.

BUT: why isnt`t there a "update all .exs files" command in the exs itself!!!

emagic! hey! cmon!



so my moral is:
there is no way of speeding up my libary!, other than loading 10.000 exs
instruments by hand to update the fileinfo and never move the folders again?
may i excuse myself: this su***!



but if anyone whats to jump in and show me a way towards the light of being
able to listen thru my sample collection ...

i thank you very much for your help,
i really apreciate it.
thanks
ulf.

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> ahh, thanks ben for this info.

i meant:

ben, yael, -Jer

.

thanks,





maby, i could seach a PC user and use EXS-MANAGER (???sharware, why is there
no mac version? what good is it if there is no more exs for PC ;)) to
bulk-update my hardrive....

emagic should have such thing on their site it think. the management of
large libarys is a professionals call.

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> thats not possible as far as i know.
> if i create a folder upon importing a complete akai cd, only the 
.exs files
> will be put inside there, the samples are thrown by volume into 
the
> akaisamples folder ... i have to manually move them in a folder 
to ever be
> able to reloacate them by hand.

I was having problems with this also everytime I moved the 
converted samples to an external drive. So..
I  created an AKAI samples folder on my external firewire drive 
where I keep my samples. I gathered up all the previously 
converted akai samples and put them in this folder and created 
an alias and put it in the logic folder.This seems to have sped 
the search times up. 

Danny

this also reminds me of somehting that sould get fixed as soon as possible.
especially in conjuction with the _loadtimeISSUE_.

if i import a complete akai cd and the volumes are named "volume 1", "volume
2", "volume 3" and on the second partition its the same up untill the
last... well, i will have three folders in the end.
the exs overwrites a already existing folder that got the same name...

very bad!



>> thats not possible as far as i know.
>> if i create a folder upon importing a complete akai cd, only the
>> .exs files
>> will be put inside there, the samples are thrown by volume into
>> the
>> akaisamples folder ... i have to manually move them in a folder
>> to ever be
>> able to reloacate them by hand.

> I was having problems with this also everytime I moved the
> converted samples to an external drive. So..
> I  created an AKAI samples folder on my external firewire drive
> where I keep my samples. I gathered up all the previously
> converted akai samples and put them in this folder and created
> an alias and put it in the logic folder.This seems to have sped
> the search times up. 

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Ben Hall wrote:
> The reason they load faster when you initially convert them is because the
> EXS files point directly to the audio files, therefore the EXS just loads
> the audio files fairly quickly.
>
> If you move the audio files, then when the EXS loads the .exs file, it
goes
> to load the first sample and doesn't find it. Rather than reporting "file
> not found", the EXS then goes away and searches your hard drives for the
> correct file, and it does this for each audio file that it can't find, and
> it's this that takes a while.
>
> Once it has found the correct samples, it rewrites this new location back
to
> the EXS file so the next time it is loaded, a search will not have to be
> done.
>
> So the moral is: convert the audio files to the actual destination you
will
> put them, or use EXS Manager (PC) to bulk update the sample locations of
> your exs instruments.

Amen!
This post should be kept somewhere for future reference as it describes
exactly what's happening (and lots of people are asking the very same
question).

And finally, if you aren't on PC, therefor can't use the (brilliant) EXS
Manager, here's how to "batch-load" all patches once, in order to have way
faster loading times in the future:
- Get yourself a tool searching for file clones. Should of course search for
names and file size/content. On Windows there's CloneSpy, I bet there's
something like that for Macs as well.
- Got to the EXS instrument editor, under "Edit > Preferences" setup a
command for "next patch", say "PrgChange 01".
- Create a sequence containing that very command.
- Set a cycle around that sequence.
- Go have a day at the beach or so, this will take a while now. When you'll
be back all your patches should load fast.

Regards,
Sascha

> - Get yourself a tool searching for file clones. Should of course search
for
> names and file size/content. On Windows there's CloneSpy, I bet there's
> something like that for Macs as well.

I forgot to add: And delete (or move) the clones. Otherwise the EXS will
find files more than once and offer an option that you have to confirm
manually - all the automatic "batch-loading" would become obsolete.

Regards,
Sascha

> - Get yourself a tool searching for file clones. Should of course search for
> names and file size/content. On Windows there's CloneSpy, I bet there's
> something like that for Macs as well.

this one i dont understand at all... whats a tool searching for file clones
an why?

> - Got to the EXS instrument editor, under "Edit > Preferences" setup a
> command for "next patch", say "PrgChange 01".
> - Create a sequence containing that very command.
> - Set a cycle around that sequence.
> - Go have a day at the beach or so, this will take a while now. When you'll
> be back all your patches should load fast.


thats exactly what i am setting up for tonight at the moment...
and i was wondering if i would work...
beach is not an option today, let me see... ahh, i'll go for dinner, get
really drunk, sleep long and load fast tomorrow.
thanks,
ulf.

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> I forgot to add: And delete (or move) the clones. Otherwise the EXS will
> find files more than once and offer an option that you have to confirm
> manually - all the automatic "batch-loading" would become obsolete.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha


... ah, i see. easy, just unmout my 2nd exs drive, only if there are files
named the same on my system or 1st exs drive ill have a problem...
and a fileclown takes care of that`?...

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FileBuddy for Mac can do the job
http://www.skytag.com/filebuddy/7/

It can found every Doublons on *.wav or *.aiff

just erase them after.....;

I've done it few month ago and I was very suprised that 700mo or Doublons
where on my HD !!

Igor

Sascha Franck [mailto:saschafranck@...] :
> I forgot to add: And delete (or move) the clones. 
> Otherwise the EXS will find files more than once and offer 
> an option that you have to confirm manually - all the 
> automatic "batch-loading" would become obsolete.

EXS is very stubborn in hunting down sample files. Now and then it pops
up this option to choose between files when it's even offering me files
from a (Windows) RECYCLE BIN directory ... Well, that is not what
deleting redundant sample files was all about. I tried to locate these
files by browsing several recycled bins but with no luck. I don't recall
someone mentioning this behaviour here before.
Herbert Boland

> EXS is very stubborn in hunting down sample files. Now and then it pops
> up this option to choose between files when it's even offering me files
> from a (Windows) RECYCLE BIN directory ... Well, that is not what
> deleting redundant sample files was all about. I tried to locate these
> files by browsing several recycled bins but with no luck. I don't recall
> someone mentioning this behaviour here before.
> Herbert Boland

Btw I guess it depends if your redundant sample detector (e.g. EXS Manager /
CloenSpy / whatever) mimics the standard Windows behavior or not, but
normally if you hold down Shift while pressing the Delete key in Windows it
deletes the files completely, bypassing the Recycle Bin. 

Jeremy
http://www.ixks.com/~sadus

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From: "Martin, Jeremy" <sadus@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:05 PM
Subject: RE: [exs] how to speed up load time of exs-instruments ?


> > EXS is very stubborn in hunting down sample files. Now and then it pops
> > up this option to choose between files when it's even offering me files
> > from a (Windows) RECYCLE BIN directory ... Well, that is not what
> > deleting redundant sample files was all about. I tried to locate these
> > files by browsing several recycled bins but with no luck. I don't recall
> > someone mentioning this behaviour here before.
> > Herbert Boland
>
> Btw I guess it depends if your redundant sample detector (e.g. EXS Manager
/
> CloenSpy / whatever) mimics the standard Windows behavior or not, but
> normally if you hold down Shift while pressing the Delete key in Windows
it
> deletes the files completely, bypassing the Recycle Bin.

For safety purposes,  ExsManager will also look in the recycle bin.
But it's quite simple to "empty trash" before running the program.

Andrea

>From: Bill Canty <Bill@...>
>
>> >One problem though (in the environment window):
>> >As soon as you hold <command>, a second Tool is selected, so you have
>> >to make the Arrow the second tool also.
>> >In the Track mixer, this is not a problem of course.
>>
>> No problem in the environment window as well, as it also works with
>> shift/option or control/option (should have mentioned all three before).
>
>AFAIK you need only the option key.

No, because the Option key is used for muting/unmuting (i.e. bypass) PlugIns.

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
>And delete (or move) the clones. Otherwise the EXS will
> find files more than once and offer an option that you have 
> to confirm manually - all the automatic "batch-loading" 
> would become obsolete.

One option under WinXP is to take all the folders with the clones in 
and "zip" them. 
:  Right-click on folder, 
:  select "Send to ... Compressed (zipped) folder"
That way you keep your instrument and sample backups, and your file 
structure is essentially the same as before, but the contents of the 
zipped folders seem to be hidden from logic. 

I'm sure there's also a mac equivalent of doing this.

(Win9x doesn't directly understand zip files, and doesn't let you 
wander around inside their internal file structure, so this is not 
such a great idea with Win9x)

Erk

>> - Got to the EXS instrument editor, under "Edit > Preferences" setup a
>> command for "next patch", say "PrgChange 01".
>> - Create a sequence containing that very command.
>> - Set a cycle around that sequence.
>> - Go have a day at the beach or so, this will take a while now. When you'll
>> be back all your patches should load fast.

 
> thats exactly what i am setting up for tonight at the moment...
> and i was wondering if i would work...
> beach is not an option today, let me see... ahh, i'll go for dinner, get
> really drunk, sleep long and load fast tomorrow.
> thanks,
> ulf.

i thought i give a little update here:

the exs has been "scanning" all weekend thru on a 15 second cycle loading
"next instrument" ... and is still ongoing. (about half way thru)

since the weekend is over and i gotta work with it i had to interrupt. and
yes! thoese instruments already scanned load much faster ... hurray ! as
long as dont touch the folders !!!

thanks very much for your help everyone.

and emagic: "thats, NOT nice, to make one think it might be ok to move
things arround when it results in slooooow sample load, tzz tzz"

so there will be a "rescann-exs-samples" feature in 5.2 ?

ulf.

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<uswitalski@... wrote:
> the exs has been "scanning" all weekend thru on a 15 second cycle loading
> "next instrument" ... and is still ongoing. (about half way thru)

Ouch! This seems to be a very long time to me. On Windows the EXS caches the
last sample location, so, if you have your samples say under
"Samples\EXS\Patches" and there's several "Samples\EXS\Patches\XYZ"
directories, it will only use the parent directory to start the search as
long as it doesn't have to jump to a completely different location on your
harddisc.
Ah well, you may just have an enormous amount of patches...

> and emagic: "thats, NOT nice, to make one think it might be ok to move
> things arround when it results in slooooow sample load, tzz tzz"

Well, IMO this is normal behaviour. And believe me, things don't go ANY
better with other softsamplers as none of them has any automatic search
function at all. Manually moving samples allways results in additional
re-allocating, be it through automatic search schemes (EXS) or by manually
entering some search path (HALion, Kontakt).
Maybe not that you are through with half of your patches you could just
continue working as usual, some EXS patches will still need a while to load
while others will be there fast.

Regards,
Sascha

In a message dated 8/5/02 6:18:22 AM, saschafranck@... writes:

>Well, IMO this is normal behaviour. And believe me, things don't go ANY
>better with other softsamplers as none of them has any automatic search
>function at all. Manually moving samples allways results in additional
>re-allocating, be it through automatic search schemes (EXS) or by manually
>entering some search path (HALion, Kontakt).

Only normal with "sample-pool" style soft samplers. "Bank-style" soft 
samplers don't usually suffer this problem (Unity, Giga, Sampletank). I 
prefer the sample-pool style, so I agree that this "Offline Indexing" feature 
is long overdue for the EXS.....please emagic!

-EP

i wanted to give final statement here:

after about 4 days of running a 15 second cylce stepping to the next exs
instrument:

things are much faster!

i can only recommend this to everyone who gets a little watch when loading
exs instruments!

i recommmend to unmount all volumes that should not be scanned an might
contain duplicate audio files. still from time to time logic will hickup and
excuse itself with an asio error of a duplicate file, but its worth the
time!

cheers,
u.

ahh, and emagic: get this sortet out and include a "refresh file info"
funktion, please. and let me point a folder to put the audio files for a
complete akai-import!

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i am going crazy!

what is the "trick" again to change a zone parameter (pan in may case) for
multiple zones at the same time?

(..logic?)

;)

thanks in advance,
u.

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select all the zones u want it applied to then hold down ctrl as u click on
the parameter...


----- Original Message -----

From: <uswitalski@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:34 AM
Subject: [exs] how to change multiple zones all together ?


> i am going crazy!
>
> what is the "trick" again to change a zone parameter (pan in may case) for
> multiple zones at the same time?
>
> (..logic?)
>
> ;)
>
> thanks in advance,
> u.

Or Command (or option key) for Mac. I forget which, but I think it's the
Command key. -Jer

> From: "Muted" <part.muted@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:38:45 +0100
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] how to change multiple zones all together ?
> 
> select all the zones u want it applied to then hold down ctrl as u click on
> the parameter...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <uswitalski@...>
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:34 AM
> Subject: [exs] how to change multiple zones all together ?
> 
> 
>> i am going crazy!
>> 
>> what is the "trick" again to change a zone parameter (pan in may case) for
>> multiple zones at the same time?
>> 
>> (..logic?)
>> 
>> ;)
>> 
>> thanks in advance,
>> u.
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> what is the "trick" again to change a zone parameter (pan in may case) for
> multiple zones at the same time?

Nothing will do it.
The "trick" as allready described by others only works for checkbox-ed
parameters, such as "one shot".

Regards,
Sascha

> 
>> what is the "trick" again to change a zone parameter (pan in may case) for
>> multiple zones at the same time?
> 
> Nothing will do it.
> The "trick" as allready described by others only works for checkbox-ed
> parameters, such as "one shot".

ohlala!,,, 
(...logic?)

thanks sasha.

bummer.

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This isn't EXS24.....
...but I'm sure some folks will be interested.

Kontakt for Mac is now on sale.
No demo yet.

Regards - Colin