EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

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From: <pbuckle@...>
To: <exs-users@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 1:44 PM
Subject: [exs] Re: Sampler newbie with 3rd party questions


> --- In exs-users@egroups.com, Shane Fawkes <sfawkes@d...> 
> wrote:
> 
> > For starters, I think I'll limit myself to percussion oriented 
> stuff...I'll
> > deal with other acoustic instruments afterwards. Particularly, I 
> was
> > intrigued by the 'groove control' percussion examples in the 
> promo that ilio
> > included. From what you hear of the 'retro funk' and/or the 
> 'liquid grooves'
> > stuff, they seem to be along the lines of what I'm looking for, 
> but I was
> > hoping to find some more examples or at least an index of 
> them before I put
> > down any coin for them. I may have missed it, but didn't find 
> much
> > additional info at www.ilio.com. Do any of you have any 
> comments/experience
> > with these products? Any other suggestions that you consider 
> worth me
> > looking at? 
> > 
> Ineresting that you should mention Groove Control and 
> RetroFunk because I own just about every Spectrasonic disc 
> there is.
> Eric Persing is so amazing and those products are worth every 
> cent.
> So here's the scoop for you EXS24 owners........I'm not one yet 
> but I've just spent two days with a friend who made the purchase 
> and I can convey to you that.............it don't work!!!
> There are two main problems with the EXS24...this is my 
> contention so please tell me I'm wrong.
> The first and biggest is that the Akai conversion does not work 
> properly.
> 1. About a third of the instruments or programs don't show up in 
> the EXS24 Akai conversion window. They do show up in 
> Osmosis and Interpreter...these are two Akai conversion 
> prog.........they only convert to Sample Cell though.
> 2 Of the instruments that do show up only some can be 
> translated. The others simply won't convert.
> With the Akai S3000 Danny Jaeger violin library disk not even a 
> third of the prog could be translated.
> Converting an entire Partition containing 20 instruments resulted 
> in just 2 instruments being converted. You can't even individually 
> select the other instruments and convert......nothing happens.
> The other main problem....and this only occured with 
> RetroGrooves.......is that of the samples that do convert. all have 
> an almighty click at the start of them. So your sequence sounds 
> like type writers.
> Ahhhh!!!  you say just shorten the "Start Fixed" amount and all will 
> be well............no it won't . You lose the dynamic attack of the 
> instrument....because the click will disappear from some 
> samples and not others so by the time you've shortened the start 
> time you've ruined half the samples. The work around is to 
> individually shorten every sample in the editor.
> With Retro Grooves there are sometimes over 100 samples in 
> one prog!! Forget it.
> As someone with a large investment in Akai and SampleCell CD 
> roms I am going to wait untill Emagic get this right before I 
> purchase.
> If you can't translate the vast library available then why make the 
> investment?
> Oh by the way Akai S1000 disks translated ok.........but they 
> sound so awful these days.....who could be bothered.
> So I am really saying that the S3000 conversion doesn't work yet.
> Why advertise that it does?
> Phil Buckle.
> 

--
Henrik Klagges
Corporate Strategy
ConSol Software GmbH

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Buckle [mailto:pbuckle@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:06 PM
> To: exs-users@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
>
>
> on 17/8/00 11:36 PM, Kaveh Cohen at kavehc@... wrote:
>
> > o far, I've translated the Ultimate String library, Ambient 1 & 2, State
> > of the Art Prophecy and two of the new XSample titles.
> >
> > KC
> >
> Are you sure they have translated correctly and that all the
> instruments are
> there?
> With RetroFunk I thought all was ok until I noticed that instruments were
> not there and in fact didn't even turn up in the convert window. Then of
> course there was the click in every file. Also with the Jaeger Library it
> would only translate the 32k instruments and none of the 44.1
> instruments.......and NONE of the tunings of individual samples were
> retained.
> I can guarantee that your translation has retained none of your sample
> tunings so your library is out of tune as would be any keyboard or any
> instrument with sample tuning......ie almost everything except drums. Go
> check the tuning of the individual samples in you Sampler and
> then check the
> tuning in the EXS24............actually there wont be any so don't waste
> your time.
> Akai conversion using EXS24, Osmosis, Unity or Interpreter will result in
> all tunings being lost. Seems they can't solve this problem........yet.
> This is not a problem with EXS24 alone and I am not criticizing
> them for it.
> But buyers should be aware that if they think that they are going to get
> full use from their Akai disks  they are mistaken.
> I for one refuse to pay good money for a CDRom only to have all
> the tunings
> lost in the translation.
> Obviously you don't want to pay $3000 for the Miroslav Vitous Library and
> then have the tuning out of whack because you want to use your fully
> integrated  ($500) software Sampler.
> Here's hoping that Emagic include Sample Cell conversion in their updates
> and that they get the tuning right.
> This would mean that those of us who have used Sample Cell for
> the last ten
> years can move across to EXS24 and not lose fundamental
> features.......like
> being in tune.  A selfish wish....I know, but not an unreasonable one.
> Phil Buckle.
>
>
> 
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From: "Joeri Vankeirsbilck" <joeri@...

| > THEY ARE DRIVING THEIR MERCEDES AND BMWs ON OUR MONEY .
|
| Oh yes, actually they even pick up selected users with their limo's for
| company visits etc. I heard someone is flying there every morning with
| his helicopter as he lives quite far. And of course the company car
| every Emagic employee gets is either a Mercedes S500 (in Brabus edition
| if I'm not mistaken), or a BMW 740 (in Racing Dynamics edition), but
| that was publicly known, wasn't it?

LOL!

way to go Joeri!

rgds,

Bj\ufffdrn Elfstr\ufffdm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck [mailto:joeri@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:10 AM
> To: exs-users@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
>
>
> > WE SHOULD DO A CLASS ACTION PROTEST AND SUBMIT OUR EMAIL TO EMAGIC.
>
> Or how about sending a bug report to this forum. I'm sure Emagic is
> reading this, so you might want to give it a try.
>
> > EVERYONE SHOULD SUBMIT AN EMAIL TO EMAGIC PROTESTING THIS>
> > THIS PRODUCT IS NOT WORKING AS ADVERTISED. THEY HAVE SOLD THIS PRODUCT
> > AND
> > IT IN FACT IS NOT AKAI COMPATIBLE. THATS THE FACT.
>
> It is Akai compatible, but there are indeed still issues. This was the
> first release of EXS24 and I'm convinced that Emagic is working on the
> necessary fixes.
> In the meantime, I can recommend www.cdxtract.com
> I've recently bought this Akai convertor and it's MUCH better than
> EXS24's convertor. It can also do much more.
>
> > THEY ARE DRIVING THEIR MERCEDES AND BMWs ON OUR MONEY .
>
> Oh yes, actually they even pick up selected users with their limo's for
> company visits etc. I heard someone is flying there every morning with
> his helicopter as he lives quite far. And of course the company car
> every Emagic employee gets is either a Mercedes S500 (in Brabus edition
> if I'm not mistaken), or a BMW 740 (in Racing Dynamics edition), but
> that was publicly known, wasn't it?
>
> Bye,
> Joeri
> --
> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> joeri@...
>
> Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
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> From: "digitalsurgery" <info@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:52:53 -0700
> To: <exs-users@egroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
> 
> We just dont understand your 'Logic'.
> 
> Why should anyone have to go out and buy yet another software conversion
> software because the EXS24 software that you purchased does not work?
> This is unreasonable.
> 
> You are at fault as well. I am sure that you have exerted so much pressure
> to bring the EXS24 to market that Emagic, probably against their better
> judgment, released the product a little early , knowing full well that it
> was not functioning properly. But it was probably the best compromise at the
> time.
> We saw all the email on EXS24. Everyone was waiting with great anticipation.
> 
> Yes - lets just send yet another 'Bug' report. Do you honestly think that
> they dont already know about the weakness in the software? Do you honestly
> believe they released it without that knowledge?
> 
> The company is doing very very well. So long as they have customers who buy
> their product site unseen. Did you notice how all they ever advertised was
> how it loaded samples quickly? Well thats all it seems to do real well.
> 
> I think it is safe to say that Emagic sold about 10,000 Exs24 units
> initially. Which in US$ translates to roughly $3,000,000. We know about the
> costs etc. Nevertheless, thats pretty substantial project from a very small
> development team. I think it is further safe to say that they will sell
> another 10,000 over the next year. So conservatively speaking they should
> turnover about $6,000,000 for year one on this product not to mention the
> additional sales of LAMP and LAWP for those that want to use the EXS24.
> Thats very good profitability for a product that essentially is not
> professionally useable at this time.
> Well all we can say is that it is good marketability on the strength of
> their established credibility.
> 
> Good luck to them and to you.
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck [mailto:joeri@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:10 AM
>> To: exs-users@egroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
>> 
>> 
>>> WE SHOULD DO A CLASS ACTION PROTEST AND SUBMIT OUR EMAIL TO EMAGIC.
>> 
>> Or how about sending a bug report to this forum. I'm sure Emagic is
>> reading this, so you might want to give it a try.
>> 
>>> EVERYONE SHOULD SUBMIT AN EMAIL TO EMAGIC PROTESTING THIS>
>>> THIS PRODUCT IS NOT WORKING AS ADVERTISED. THEY HAVE SOLD THIS PRODUCT
>>> AND
>>> IT IN FACT IS NOT AKAI COMPATIBLE. THATS THE FACT.
>> 
>> It is Akai compatible, but there are indeed still issues. This was the
>> first release of EXS24 and I'm convinced that Emagic is working on the
>> necessary fixes.
>> In the meantime, I can recommend www.cdxtract.com
>> I've recently bought this Akai convertor and it's MUCH better than
>> EXS24's convertor. It can also do much more.
>> 
>>> THEY ARE DRIVING THEIR MERCEDES AND BMWs ON OUR MONEY .
>> 
>> Oh yes, actually they even pick up selected users with their limo's for
>> company visits etc. I heard someone is flying there every morning with
>> his helicopter as he lives quite far. And of course the company car
>> every Emagic employee gets is either a Mercedes S500 (in Brabus edition
>> if I'm not mistaken), or a BMW 740 (in Racing Dynamics edition), but
>> that was publicly known, wasn't it?
>> 
>> Bye,
>> Joeri
>> --
>> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
>> joeri@...
>> 
>> Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
>> List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Logic User [mailto:exs_dude@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:46 AM
> To: exs-users@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
> Importance: High
>
>
> I can't contain myself. You are a dork.

> Frankly, I'm tired of all this sobbing and bitching. If you don't like it
> take it back and leave everyone else alone. I'd rather be dealing with
> people who are interested in resolving issues, not creating them.
>
>
> > From: "digitalsurgery" <info@...>
> > Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:52:53 -0700
> > To: <exs-users@egroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
> >
> > We just dont understand your 'Logic'.
> >
> > Why should anyone have to go out and buy yet another software conversion
> > software because the EXS24 software that you purchased does not work?
> > This is unreasonable.
> >
> > You are at fault as well. I am sure that you have exerted so
> much pressure
> > to bring the EXS24 to market that Emagic, probably against their better
> > judgment, released the product a little early , knowing full
> well that it
> > was not functioning properly. But it was probably the best
> compromise at the
> > time.
> > We saw all the email on EXS24. Everyone was waiting with great
> anticipation.
> >
> > Yes - lets just send yet another 'Bug' report. Do you honestly
> think that
> > they dont already know about the weakness in the software? Do
> you honestly
> > believe they released it without that knowledge?
> >
> > The company is doing very very well. So long as they have
> customers who buy
> > their product site unseen. Did you notice how all they ever
> advertised was
> > how it loaded samples quickly? Well thats all it seems to do real well.
> >
> > I think it is safe to say that Emagic sold about 10,000 Exs24 units
> > initially. Which in US$ translates to roughly $3,000,000. We
> know about the
> > costs etc. Nevertheless, thats pretty substantial project from
> a very small
> > development team. I think it is further safe to say that they will sell
> > another 10,000 over the next year. So conservatively speaking
> they should
> > turnover about $6,000,000 for year one on this product not to
> mention the
> > additional sales of LAMP and LAWP for those that want to use the EXS24.
> > Thats very good profitability for a product that essentially is not
> > professionally useable at this time.
> > Well all we can say is that it is good marketability on the strength of
> > their established credibility.
> >
> > Good luck to them and to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck [mailto:joeri@...]
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:10 AM
> >> To: exs-users@egroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
> >>
> >>
> >>> WE SHOULD DO A CLASS ACTION PROTEST AND SUBMIT OUR EMAIL TO EMAGIC.
> >>
> >> Or how about sending a bug report to this forum. I'm sure Emagic is
> >> reading this, so you might want to give it a try.
> >>
> >>> EVERYONE SHOULD SUBMIT AN EMAIL TO EMAGIC PROTESTING THIS>
> >>> THIS PRODUCT IS NOT WORKING AS ADVERTISED. THEY HAVE SOLD THIS PRODUCT
> >>> AND
> >>> IT IN FACT IS NOT AKAI COMPATIBLE. THATS THE FACT.
> >>
> >> It is Akai compatible, but there are indeed still issues. This was the
> >> first release of EXS24 and I'm convinced that Emagic is working on the
> >> necessary fixes.
> >> In the meantime, I can recommend www.cdxtract.com
> >> I've recently bought this Akai convertor and it's MUCH better than
> >> EXS24's convertor. It can also do much more.
> >>
> >>> THEY ARE DRIVING THEIR MERCEDES AND BMWs ON OUR MONEY .
> >>
> >> Oh yes, actually they even pick up selected users with their limo's for
> >> company visits etc. I heard someone is flying there every morning with
> >> his helicopter as he lives quite far. And of course the company car
> >> every Emagic employee gets is either a Mercedes S500 (in Brabus edition
> >> if I'm not mistaken), or a BMW 740 (in Racing Dynamics edition), but
> >> that was publicly known, wasn't it?
> >>
> >> Bye,
> >> Joeri
> >> --
> >> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> >> joeri@...
> >>
> >> Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
> >> List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Blow [mailto:exs_dude@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:47 PM
> To: exs-users@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [exs] Akai S3000 conversion
>
>
> Digital Surgery: You should have seen my first draft of comments aimed at
> you. Seriously though, you have a tendency to exagerate your frustrations
> and have brought these reactions from other users on your self.
>
> I read your previous e-mail, and having been endorsed by another user, it
> appears your problem with hanging notes is legitimate. Spare the
> embelishments and next time you may get a lot more sympathy. Interesting
> that you chose to respond to my e-mail. A lot of other list members had
> already been mocking you.
>
> In any case, I truly wish you well and hope you'll find satisfaction with
> the next update (if you don't return your EXS).
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