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2008-03-19 by ei5gtb
Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ But much to my disappointment the programming application was in german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. Many Thanks, Paul.
2008-03-19 by David Kelly
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:47:38PM -0000, ei5gtb wrote: > Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ > But much to my disappointment the programming application was in > german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to > educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with > other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended > one. http://babelfish.altavista.com/ translation of http://www.myavr.de/ says the myAVR 1 board has an "integrated SP12 compatible programmer." The downloadable PDF documentation is German on the left column, English on the right. IMO the ATmega8 CPU on this board is not ideal for learning because it doesn't support JTAG ICE or DebugWire. Similar or more capable AVRs with JTAG or DW cost the same or less. With JTAG ICE Cube at $40 and AVR Dragon at $52, and your time is worth $1/hour, these tools are well worth the expense. Study the pinouts, my guess is an ATmega88 or something is available with DebugWire that fits on that board. DebugWire only needs power, ground, and Reset to program and source code debug on your chip. More wires are needed to set the fuses on the chip to put it in DW mode, but once its there you can leave it alone. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
2008-03-19 by Sander Pool
I agree that JTAG capability is a must for anyone serious about
programming AVRs. Used to be that Atmel JTAG was pretty costly but now
that clones are available that's no longer true. The time saved using
JTAG to debug is enormous. At least for mere mortals like myself who
write code with the occasional bug. Availability of reliable debugging
is a must for me, no matter what language and platform I code in. At
work we use ruby for test automation and I've been frustrated by the
general unreliability of free (Eclipse, Netbeans) and commercial
(Arachno, Komodo, Ruby in Steel) debuggers. When I was told I needed to
use Python debugging was again an issue.
In any case, my point is that I fully agree with David. The other day I
decided not to use a Mega8 I had laying around for a project I'm working
on for exactly this reason (lack of JTAG). Now when I go to AVRFreaks to
pick a device I make sure JTAG is available. Once I have a Dragon I can
add debugwire to the mix. AVRs are crazy cheap and there's at most a few
$ difference between devices. For development pick a heavy weight
device. If you're developing a commercial application and pennies count
you can develop on a larger device, keeping restrictions of the target
in mind and then down porting it when done.
Sander
David Kelly wrote:> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:47:38PM -0000, ei5gtb wrote: > > Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from > http://www.myavr.de/ <http://www.myavr.de/> > > But much to my disappointment the programming application was in > > german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to > > educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with > > other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended > > one. > > http://babelfish.altavista.com/ <http://babelfish.altavista.com/> > translation of http://www.myavr.de/ <http://www.myavr.de/> > says the myAVR 1 board has an "integrated SP12 compatible programmer." > > The downloadable PDF documentation is German on the left column, English > on the right. > > IMO the ATmega8 CPU on this board is not ideal for learning because it > doesn't support JTAG ICE or DebugWire. Similar or more capable AVRs with > JTAG or DW cost the same or less. With JTAG ICE Cube at $40 and AVR > Dragon at $52, and your time is worth $1/hour, these tools are well > worth the expense. > > Study the pinouts, my guess is an ATmega88 or something is available > with DebugWire that fits on that board. DebugWire only needs power, > ground, and Reset to program and source code debug on your chip. > > More wires are needed to set the fuses on the chip to put it in DW mode, > but once its there you can leave it alone. >
2008-03-19 by BobGardner@aol.com
I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in the suppot section. Maybe those are in English?
-----Original Message----- From: ei5gtb <paul@paulsnet.org> To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 8:47 am Subject: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ But much to my disappointment the programming application was in german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. Many Thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-19 by David Kelly
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:29:56PM -0400, BobGardner@aol.com wrote: > I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in > the suppot section. Maybe those are in English? German flag on the left, British/US flags on the right. Download the PDF and you'll see the left column in German and the right in English same as the flag icon. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
2008-03-19 by Paul Sinclair
Oh, yes, there is English on it, but the actual programming software, i.e to put the program onto the avr chip, is in german. I was just wondering if other programming flashing software could be used. Debugging is nothing I have really thought abouty. The actual purpose of the device is to control a rotator for antennas, to take commands from a computer, and turn the antennas accordingly, and to display information on a lcd screen. Mabye im thinking it's a little more simple then it is. I suppose I should really go buy a beginners book. Im 16, and don't have very much money hanging about, so I bought the cheapest I could find! Thanks all for your replys, Paul.
From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BobGardner@aol.com Sent: 19 March 2008 17:30 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in the suppot section. Maybe those are in English? -----Original Message----- From: ei5gtb <paul@paulsnet.org <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 8:47 am Subject: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ But much to my disappointment the programming application was in german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. Many Thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-19 by John Samperi
At 04:39 AM 20/03/2008, you wrote: >German flag on the left, British/US flags on the right. Download the PDF >and ......"do not mention the war". (Basil Fawlty, Hotelier etc..) Regards John Samperi ******************************************************** Ampertronics Pty. Ltd. 11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA Tel. (02) 9674-6495 Fax (02) 9674-8745 Email: john@ampertronics.com.au Website http://www.ampertronics.com.au *Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly ********************************************************
2008-03-19 by Paul Sinclair
Heh, I wasn't sure what to take by your opening comment, but you saved it! Well, ill not worry too much about the debug capability. I suppose ill work on learning about the dam things first! Thanks all! Paul, EI5GTB
From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Habib Sent: 19 March 2008 21:56 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Just wait 'till you have a 16 year old of your own. Then you'll know what not much money hanging around really means. Now that I've got the smart ass comment out of the way, don't worry too much about the lack of easy debug ability. A former boss used to tell us all not to rely on that stuff too much. "Just use the computer in your head" he used to say. Its easy to get caught up in all of the detail a good debugger can provide and to spend a lot of time looking at every little nit instead of thinking through the problem and the behavior and figuring out what can cause that behavior. I use a debugger at work, but only when code inspection and some simple tests don't yield results, or after that approach has narrowed down where the problem is. -----Original Message----- From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul Sinclair Im 16, and don't have very much money hanging about, so I bought the cheapest I could find! Thanks all for your replys, Paul. From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of BobGardner@aol.com <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> Sent: 19 March 2008 17:30 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in the suppot section. Maybe those are in English? -----Original Message----- From: ei5gtb <paul@paulsnet.org <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 8:47 am Subject: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ But much to my disappointment the programming application was in german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. Many Thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ======================================================================== Groups related to AVR-Chat ======================================================================== avrclub (829 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/avrclub?v=1 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/avrclub?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aft r> &t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr 0&sec=recg Microprocessors/Microcontrollers: Atmel AVR Microcontroller discussion group! e-embedded (324 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/e-embedded?v=1 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/e-embedded?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk= a> &t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=a ftr1&sec=recg Internet/Internet Appliances: Open-membership mailing list for embedded system d... piclist (280 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piclist?v=1 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piclist?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aft r> &t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr 2&sec=recg Microprocessors/Microcontrollers: A discussion group for the PICMicro microcontrolle... booksbybibin (193 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/booksbybibin?v=1 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/booksbybibin?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&sl k> &t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk =aftr3&sec=recg Mechanical/Robotics: This groups contains the books for robotics,parall... Homebrew_PCBs (190 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs?v=1 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&s l> &t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&sl k=aftr4&sec=recg Engineering/Electrical: Designing, making, etching, soldering, printed cir... ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-19 by Philippe Habib
Just wait 'till you have a 16 year old of your own. Then you'll know what not much money hanging around really means. Now that I've got the smart ass comment out of the way, don't worry too much about the lack of easy debug ability. A former boss used to tell us all not to rely on that stuff too much. "Just use the computer in your head" he used to say. Its easy to get caught up in all of the detail a good debugger can provide and to spend a lot of time looking at every little nit instead of thinking through the problem and the behavior and figuring out what can cause that behavior. I use a debugger at work, but only when code inspection and some simple tests don't yield results, or after that approach has narrowed down where the problem is.
-----Original Message----- From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sinclair Im 16, and don't have very much money hanging about, so I bought the cheapest I could find! Thanks all for your replys, Paul. From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BobGardner@aol.com Sent: 19 March 2008 17:30 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in the suppot section. Maybe those are in English? -----Original Message----- From: ei5gtb <paul@paulsnet.org <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 8:47 am Subject: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ But much to my disappointment the programming application was in german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. Many Thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ======================================================================== Groups related to AVR-Chat ======================================================================== avrclub (829 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/avrclub?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr 0&sec=recg Microprocessors/Microcontrollers: Atmel AVR Microcontroller discussion group! e-embedded (324 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/e-embedded?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=a ftr1&sec=recg Internet/Internet Appliances: Open-membership mailing list for embedded system d... piclist (280 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piclist?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr 2&sec=recg Microprocessors/Microcontrollers: A discussion group for the PICMicro microcontrolle... booksbybibin (193 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/booksbybibin?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk =aftr3&sec=recg Mechanical/Robotics: This groups contains the books for robotics,parall... Homebrew_PCBs (190 common members) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&sl k=aftr4&sec=recg Engineering/Electrical: Designing, making, etching, soldering, printed cir... ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM
2008-03-19 by Benny Smith
Indeed. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it.
-----Original Message----- From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Samperi Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:35 PM To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr At 04:39 AM 20/03/2008, you wrote: >German flag on the left, British/US flags on the right. Download the PDF >and ......"do not mention the war". (Basil Fawlty, Hotelier etc..) Regards John Samperi ******************************************************** Ampertronics Pty. Ltd. 11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA Tel. (02) 9674-6495 Fax (02) 9674-8745 Email: john@ampertronics. <mailto:john%40ampertronics.com.au> com.au Website http://www.ampertro <http://www.ampertronics.com.au> nics.com.au *Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly ******************************************************** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-19 by Graham Davies
--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe Habib" <phabib@...> wrote: > ... don't worry too much about > the lack of ... debug ... use > the computer in your head ... I don't disagree with you, but I agree much more with those that advocate debuggers. Why not use your head and a debugger? The human mind is seriously limited when it comes to retaining and manipulating complex systems. Working memory is limited to about seven independent chunks of information. Try to put one more in and another one falls out. So, take away from the brain everything the computer can do for you and you'll be able to reason about the large structures of the software much more effectively. A debugger can draw you tables and pictures of what's going on inside the system. As you step through the code! In my opinion, it's madness to go without that at a saving of 50 bucks or so. Even if you have to move to a smaller chip for production for cost reasons, for heavens sake develop on a chip with a debug interface. Mind you, by starting with the absolute cheapest thing out there you've minimized the money you've wasted when you eventually see the light! Graham.
2008-03-19 by Paul Sinclair
Hmm, I'm really not familiar with the debugging of these chips "on a chip with a debug interface" But I know I should go rtfm, buts its just too easy to ask. How about someone - instead of answering the question, will recommend a good book to buy. Paul, EI5GTB
From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Davies Sent: 19 March 2008 23:42 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AVR-Chat] Re: My Avr --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> , "Philippe Habib" <phabib@...> wrote: > ... don't worry too much about > the lack of ... debug ... use > the computer in your head ... I don't disagree with you, but I agree much more with those that advocate debuggers. Why not use your head and a debugger? The human mind is seriously limited when it comes to retaining and manipulating complex systems. Working memory is limited to about seven independent chunks of information. Try to put one more in and another one falls out. So, take away from the brain everything the computer can do for you and you'll be able to reason about the large structures of the software much more effectively. A debugger can draw you tables and pictures of what's going on inside the system. As you step through the code! In my opinion, it's madness to go without that at a saving of 50 bucks or so. Even if you have to move to a smaller chip for production for cost reasons, for heavens sake develop on a chip with a debug interface. Mind you, by starting with the absolute cheapest thing out there you've minimized the money you've wasted when you eventually see the light! Graham. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-19 by Raymond Hurst
The way I understood it here is that the software tools only spoke german. In which case, that's a big minus for me also. Have you tried downloading the AVR tools and seeing if they work? I suspect the USB programmer is just a copy of the Atmel design. Ray Hurst Western Digital 20511 Lake Forest Drive Lake Forest, CA 92630 949-672-9853 ________________________________
From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sinclair Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:51 PM To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Heh, I wasn't sure what to take by your opening comment, but you saved it! Well, ill not worry too much about the debug capability. I suppose ill work on learning about the dam things first! Thanks all! Paul, EI5GTB From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Philippe Habib Sent: 19 March 2008 21:56 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Just wait 'till you have a 16 year old of your own. Then you'll know what not much money hanging around really means. Now that I've got the smart ass comment out of the way, don't worry too much about the lack of easy debug ability. A former boss used to tell us all not to rely on that stuff too much. "Just use the computer in your head" he used to say. Its easy to get caught up in all of the detail a good debugger can provide and to spend a lot of time looking at every little nit instead of thinking through the problem and the behavior and figuring out what can cause that behavior. I use a debugger at work, but only when code inspection and some simple tests don't yield results, or after that approach has narrowed down where the problem is. -----Original Message----- From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Paul Sinclair Im 16, and don't have very much money hanging about, so I bought the cheapest I could find! Thanks all for your replys, Paul. From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of BobGardner@aol.com <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> Sent: 19 March 2008 17:30 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in the suppot section. Maybe those are in English? -----Original Message----- From: ei5gtb <paul@paulsnet.org <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 8:47 am Subject: [AVR-Chat] My Avr Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ <http://www.myavr.de/> But much to my disappointment the programming application was in german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. Many Thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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2008-03-19 by Graham Davies
--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Sinclair" <paul@...> wrote: > I'm really not familiar with the > debugging of these chips "on a > chip with a debug interface" Maybe you've used a hosted software development environment, like Visual Studio or Elipse. Working on a chip with a JTAG interface is very much like this, except that LEDs flash and motors spin. You make a change to the code. You punch the "build" button and the new code is compiled. You set some breakpoints by right-clicking on a line of code. You punch run. There's a pause while the binary file is transferred to the target microcontroller, then off we go. When the breakpoint is hit, execution stops and you can bring up various views of memory, registers, variables, ports, etc. to see what's going on. Single step, step into functions, step out of functions and run again. I haven't used debugWIRE as much, but it's pretty much the same if a bit slower. On the other hand, without a debugger, when you've re-built the program you have to pop up a separate tool to take the binary file and transfer it to the target. When that's done, you disconnect from the target and reset it. Then things either work or they don't. If they don't, you have to figure out why either using pure brain power or with the aid of extra bits of code inserted to make the invisible visible. For each trial, it's build, load, reset and ponder all over again. Don't get me wrong, a debugger isn't a panacea. There are problems, particularly in hard real-time systems, that aren't helped a whole lot by a debugger. But, I've done projects with them and projects without and by-and-large I much prefer to work with. Graham.
2008-03-20 by Graham Davies
--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "ei5gtb" <paul@...> wrote: > ... i recently purchased a "my avr" > board from http://www.myavr.de/ ... Wait a minute, I've just followed the link to the myAVR. Did this cost you $80? Can you send it back? I've succeeded so far in not "touting my own stuff", but, just as an example, if you bought an Atmel AVR Dragon you'd have ISP and High Voltage programming plus both JTAG and debugWIRE debugging. Mate it with (here I go) a Dragon Rider and you can pick and choose among quite a few target devices, including the ATmega88 mentioned earlier. This would only cost you a few bucks more, depending on how you count postage. This is just an example. Brian Dean has good stuff at BDMicro, too, and there's also Smiley Micros, all friends of this and other AVR-based discussion groups. I may be misunderstanding, but I don't see how the myAVR is a cost-effective starting point for you. (Boy I hope the people at myAVR aren't in this group.) Graham.
2008-03-20 by Sander Pool
No need for a book. Read the AVR Studio documentation for JTAGICE or
Dragon. Read about how to start debugging in AVR Studio, setting break
points and watches etc. There are other methods to do the same thing but
AVR Studio is a good place to start. Read more about JTAG and DW
capabilities in the datasheet of a capable device.
Sander
Paul Sinclair wrote:> > Hmm, > > I'm really not familiar with the debugging of these chips "on a chip > with a > debug interface" > > But I know I should go rtfm, buts its just too easy to ask. How about > someone - instead of answering the question, will recommend a good book to > buy. > > Paul, EI5GTB > >
2008-03-20 by Graham Davies
--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "paul sinclair" <paul@...> wrote: > Jeepers no, it cost me 20 euro on ebay!! :P OK, that's reasonable then. I was looking at list price. Forget my previous post. Graham.
2008-03-20 by paul sinclair
I dont have the tools here, but the "flashing" tool is definetly only in german. There are some other tools, like avr notepad and a few things (dont have them here, its pc only, and im on my mac at the minute) but i cant quite remember. Why is this a minus for you? did you buy one of these units also? Cheers, Paul, EI5GTB On 3/19/08, Raymond Hurst <raymond.hurst@wdc.com> wrote: > > The way I understood it here is that the software tools only spoke german. > > In which case, that's a big minus for me also. > > Have you tried downloading the AVR tools and seeing if they work? > > I suspect the USB programmer is just a copy of the Atmel design. > > Ray Hurst > > Western Digital > > 20511 Lake Forest Drive > > Lake Forest, CA 92630 > > 949-672-9853 > > ________________________________ > > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Paul Sinclair > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:51 PM > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > Heh, I wasn't sure what to take by your opening comment, but you saved it! > > Well, ill not worry too much about the debug capability. I suppose ill > work > on learning about the dam things first! Thanks all! > > Paul, EI5GTB > > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of Philippe Habib > Sent: 19 March 2008 21:56 > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > Just wait 'till you have a 16 year old of your own. Then you'll know what > not much money hanging around really means. > > Now that I've got the smart ass comment out of the way, don't worry too > much > about the lack of easy debug ability. A former boss used to tell us all > not > to rely on that stuff too much. "Just use the computer in your head" he > used to say. Its easy to get caught up in all of the detail a good > debugger > can provide and to spend a lot of time looking at every little nit instead > of thinking through the problem and the behavior and figuring out what can > cause that behavior. > > I use a debugger at work, but only when code inspection and some simple > tests don't yield results, or after that approach has narrowed down where > the problem is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of Paul Sinclair > Im 16, and don't have very > much money hanging about, so I bought the cheapest I could find! > > Thanks all for your replys, > > Paul. > > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of BobGardner@aol.com <BobGardner%40aol.com> <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> > <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> > Sent: 19 March 2008 17:30 > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in the > suppot section. Maybe those are in English? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ei5gtb <paul@paulsnet.org <paul%40paulsnet.org> <mailto: > paul%40paulsnet.org> > <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 8:47 am > Subject: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ > <http://www.myavr.de/> > But much to my disappointment the programming application was in > german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to > educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with > other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. > Many Thanks, > > Paul. > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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2008-03-20 by paul sinclair
Thank you for the informitave reply. I understand the debugging process now, i have used debugging in software development enviroments, just never in microprocessors, mind you, iv done very little in the microprocessors, iv always done everything with relays or transistors or what have you. But my latest project calls for some more brains! Ill give you a run down of what im doing, 2 sensors (elevation and rotation) feed a variable voltage into the device, it turns them into a variable. The device listens on the com port for commands from the computer, it will parse that and convert it into commands. The device then decides the quickest way to get to the desired location (clockwise / anti-clockwise) taking into account the fact i dont want the rotator turing around and around constantly, as the wires would get tangled. Then it rotates the rotator until the sensor variables match the desired ones. There will be an lcd screen to readout the current position, for aiding in manual operation, and mabye someday will have a primitive menu system for calibration of the sensors and variouos other things. I always love thingking how things will work, but i hate learning how to do them! but the more i think about this project the more i want to get it done. I was going to use a pic chip, but i really didnt like the look of assembly, and i have used C and C++ quite extencivley in the past, so it would not need much learning for me to apply that knowledge to embedded systems design, or so i hope! Paul, EI5GTB. On 3/20/08, Graham Davies <Yahoo37849@ecrostech.com> wrote: > > --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>, "Paul > Sinclair" <paul@...> wrote: > > > I'm really not familiar with the > > debugging of these chips "on a > > chip with a debug interface" > > Maybe you've used a hosted software development environment, like > Visual Studio or Elipse. Working on a chip with a JTAG interface is > very much like this, except that LEDs flash and motors spin. You > make a change to the code. You punch the "build" button and the new > code is compiled. You set some breakpoints by right-clicking on a > line of code. You punch run. There's a pause while the binary file > is transferred to the target microcontroller, then off we go. When > the breakpoint is hit, execution stops and you can bring up various > views of memory, registers, variables, ports, etc. to see what's > going on. Single step, step into functions, step out of functions > and run again. I haven't used debugWIRE as much, but it's pretty much > the same if a bit slower. > > On the other hand, without a debugger, when you've re-built the > program you have to pop up a separate tool to take the binary file > and transfer it to the target. When that's done, you disconnect from > the target and reset it. Then things either work or they don't. If > they don't, you have to figure out why either using pure brain power > or with the aid of extra bits of code inserted to make the invisible > visible. For each trial, it's build, load, reset and ponder all over > again. > > Don't get me wrong, a debugger isn't a panacea. There are problems, > particularly in hard real-time systems, that aren't helped a whole > lot by a debugger. But, I've done projects with them and projects > without and by-and-large I much prefer to work with. > > Graham. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-20 by paul sinclair
Jeepers no, it cost me 20 euro on ebay!! :P On 3/20/08, Graham Davies <Yahoo37849@ecrostech.com> wrote: > > --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>, "ei5gtb" > <paul@...> wrote: > > > ... i recently purchased a "my avr" > > board from http://www.myavr.de/ ... > > Wait a minute, I've just followed the link to the myAVR. Did this cost > you $80? Can you send it back? I've succeeded so far in not "touting > my own stuff", but, just as an example, if you bought an Atmel AVR > Dragon you'd have ISP and High Voltage programming plus both JTAG and > debugWIRE debugging. Mate it with (here I go) a Dragon Rider and you > can pick and choose among quite a few target devices, including the > ATmega88 mentioned earlier. This would only cost you a few bucks more, > depending on how you count postage. This is just an example. Brian > Dean has good stuff at BDMicro, too, and there's also Smiley Micros, > all friends of this and other AVR-based discussion groups. I may be > misunderstanding, but I don't see how the myAVR is a cost-effective > starting point for you. (Boy I hope the people at myAVR aren't in this > group.) > > Graham. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-20 by paul sinclair
no worries, I did have a programmer homebrewed on a piece of breadboard, but i thought, rather than hooking up xtals and all the rest, i would remove the variable and possible problems of my circuit design and go with a dev kit. But i overlooked the software side of things. i suppose its just as important! Paul. On 3/20/08, Graham Davies <Yahoo37849@ecrostech.com> wrote: > > --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>, "paul > sinclair" <paul@...> wrote: > > > Jeepers no, it cost me 20 euro on ebay!! :P > > OK, that's reasonable then. I was looking at list price. Forget my > previous post. > > Graham. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-03-20 by David Kelly
On Mar 19, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Graham Davies wrote: > Even if you have to move to a smaller chip for production > for cost reasons, for heavens sake develop on a chip with a debug > interface. > > Mind you, by starting with the absolute cheapest thing out there > you've > minimized the money you've wasted when you eventually see the light! Several years ago I got my start in AVR designing a replacement for a product that used a COP8 that cost about $8 and was O.T.P. Initial estimates at throwing away the existing assembly in favor of avr-gcc indicated 24k to 32k of code size. Our distributor priced the ATmega64L at less than $4 for 10k/year. I had a lot of big decisions to make and would have stuck to the ATmega64L for $4 even if a ATmega32 was free. If I had designed for a 16 or 32 and something bigger was needed the cost in redesign, re-qualification, and time-to- market was much greater than 10,000 chips at $4 each. Of course you guessed it, when product shipped the code image was 14k. I don't believe they ever changed the chip to something cheaper. The fact the 64L works is not worth saving $1 for the expense of changing the PCB. That would change if they started shipping 100,000 units per year. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
2008-03-20 by David Kelly
On Mar 19, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Paul Sinclair wrote: > There are some other tools, like avr notepad and a few things (dont > have > them here, its pc only, and im on my mac at the minute) but i cant > quite > remember. There are a number of users of avr-gcc on MacOS X, that also use USB to serial converters to drive JTAG ICE. I don't, but I do most of my editing on Mac, commit via SVN, update my working directory on PC with "svn update", recompile, debug, "svn commit", repeat. Guessing http://www.bsdhome.com/avrdude/ would be able to drive the parallel port programmer on your myAVR. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
2008-03-21 by Raymond Hurst
I can't speak or read german. Ray Hurst Western Digital 20511 Lake Forest Drive Lake Forest, CA 92630 949-672-9853 ________________________________
From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of paul sinclair Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:42 PM To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr I dont have the tools here, but the "flashing" tool is definetly only in german. There are some other tools, like avr notepad and a few things (dont have them here, its pc only, and im on my mac at the minute) but i cant quite remember. Why is this a minus for you? did you buy one of these units also? Cheers, Paul, EI5GTB On 3/19/08, Raymond Hurst <raymond.hurst@wdc.com <mailto:raymond.hurst%40wdc.com> > wrote: > > The way I understood it here is that the software tools only spoke german. > > In which case, that's a big minus for me also. > > Have you tried downloading the AVR tools and seeing if they work? > > I suspect the USB programmer is just a copy of the Atmel design. > > Ray Hurst > > Western Digital > > 20511 Lake Forest Drive > > Lake Forest, CA 92630 > > 949-672-9853 > > ________________________________ > > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Paul Sinclair > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:51 PM > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > Heh, I wasn't sure what to take by your opening comment, but you saved it! > > Well, ill not worry too much about the debug capability. I suppose ill > work > on learning about the dam things first! Thanks all! > > Paul, EI5GTB > > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of Philippe Habib > Sent: 19 March 2008 21:56 > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > Just wait 'till you have a 16 year old of your own. Then you'll know what > not much money hanging around really means. > > Now that I've got the smart ass comment out of the way, don't worry too > much > about the lack of easy debug ability. A former boss used to tell us all > not > to rely on that stuff too much. "Just use the computer in your head" he > used to say. Its easy to get caught up in all of the detail a good > debugger > can provide and to spend a lot of time looking at every little nit instead > of thinking through the problem and the behavior and figuring out what can > cause that behavior. > > I use a debugger at work, but only when code inspection and some simple > tests don't yield results, or after that approach has narrowed down where > the problem is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of Paul Sinclair > Im 16, and don't have very > much money hanging about, so I bought the cheapest I could find! > > Thanks all for your replys, > > Paul. > > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > Of BobGardner@aol.com <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> <BobGardner%40aol.com> <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> > <mailto:BobGardner%40aol.com> > Sent: 19 March 2008 17:30 > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > I see lots of little British Union Jacks next to the tech bulletins in the > suppot section. Maybe those are in English? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ei5gtb <paul@paulsnet.org <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> <paul%40paulsnet.org> <mailto: > paul%40paulsnet.org> > <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > <mailto:paul%40paulsnet.org> > > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto: > AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 8:47 am > Subject: [AVR-Chat] My Avr > > Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ <http://www.myavr.de/> > <http://www.myavr.de/ <http://www.myavr.de/> > > But much to my disappointment the programming application was in > german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to > educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with > other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one. > Many Thanks, > > Paul. > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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2008-06-10 by dingley76
Hi, This is an old topic, but I have also purchased the MyAVR programmer board and was also disappointed by the fact that the accompanying software was in German. I have not tried the board yet (I haven't really got into AVR programming yet!), but looking at the documentation it appears that as long as the board is connected, AVR Studio can be set-up to communicate with it. The documentation states: QUOTE Use with AVR Studio Version 4.12.498 If you use the AVR studio, please choose "AVR Prog" in the menu Tools. The programmer has to be connected if you select the menu item. AVR Prog will find the mySmartUSB automatically. AVR-Prog is looking only at the COM-Ports 1 to 4. If the virtual COM-Port of mySmartUSB is higher then 4 AVR studio will not find it. In this case you need to select a valid COM-port in the system settings. Follow this procedure: open the device manager open the rubric: Ports (COM and LPT) themed open USB controller choose driver: "CP210x USB to UART Bridge Controller (COMx)" right mouse button -> Properties-> Port settings -> Advanced modify and confirm COM-port number we recommend COM3 or COM4, Please notice possible driver conflicts END QUOTE The MyAVR document from which this was found was: techb_mysmartusb.pdf Cheers, Gavin --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "ei5gtb" <paul@...> wrote: > > Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ > But much to my disappointment the programming application was in > german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to > educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with > other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended one.
> Many Thanks, > > Paul. >
2008-06-11 by paul sinclair
hi Gavin, hmm, i might take a look at that. i only recently got a cable for it. and i really want to start programming it. So this might be the motivation i need. Cheers, Paul EI5GTB On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:49 PM, dingley76 <dingley76@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > This is an old topic, but I have also purchased the MyAVR programmer > board and was also disappointed by the fact that the accompanying > software was in German. I have not tried the board yet (I haven't > really got into AVR programming yet!), but looking at the documentation > it appears that as long as the board is connected, AVR Studio can be > set-up to communicate with it. The documentation states: > > QUOTE > > Use with AVR Studio Version 4.12.498 > If you use the AVR studio, please choose "AVR Prog" in > the menu Tools. The programmer has to be connected if > you select the menu item. AVR Prog will find the mySmartUSB > automatically. > > AVR-Prog is looking only at the COM-Ports 1 to 4. If the > virtual COM-Port of mySmartUSB is higher then 4 AVR > studio will not find it. In this case you need to select a valid > COM-port in the system settings. > Follow this procedure: > � open the device manager > � open the rubric: Ports (COM and LPT) themed open > USB controller > � choose driver: "CP210x USB to UART Bridge Controller > (COMx)" > � right mouse button -> Properties-> Port settings > -> Advanced > � modify and confirm COM-port number > � we recommend COM3 or COM4, Please notice possible > driver conflicts > > END QUOTE > > The MyAVR document from which this was found was: techb_mysmartusb.pdf > > Cheers, > > Gavin > > > --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>, "ei5gtb" > <paul@...> wrote: > > > > Hello, i recently purchased a "my avr" board from http://www.myavr.de/ > > But much to my disappointment the programming application was in > > german. I am just a beginner, and was hoping to use this board to > > educate myself. Could anyone advise if this board can be used with > > other programming software? and if so, which is the best recommended > one. > > Many Thanks, > > > > Paul. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-06-11 by paul sinclair
Gavin, just went to try this now. Are you using the LPT programmer, or the usb programmer? Paul. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-06-11 by Gavin Dingley
Hi Paul,
I have not tried this yet, but I have the USB board - mySmartUSB, not a printer parallel port version (didn't know there was one). The document is at: http://www.myavr.info/download/techb_mysmartusb.pdf
see page 11 for details for using it with AVR studio. A such you select a virtual COM port, as is the usual way with USB.
Cheers,
Gavin
paul sinclair <paul@paulsnet.org> wrote: Gavin, just went to try this now. Are you using the LPT programmer, or the
usb programmer?
Paul.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-06-11 by paul sinclair
aha, i see. Im still waiting on avr studio to download. i downloaded the wrong one first. i just wasted another two hours of my life on http://icanhascheezburger.com/ Ahh, the joy of the internet. its hard to get out of my procrastination habbit! Paul. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Gavin Dingley <dingley76@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Paul, > I have not tried this yet, but I have the USB board - mySmartUSB, not a > printer parallel port version (didn't know there was one). The document is > at: http://www.myavr.info/download/techb_mysmartusb.pdf > see page 11 for details for using it with AVR studio. A such you select a > virtual COM port, as is the usual way with USB. > > Cheers, > > Gavin > > paul sinclair <paul@paulsnet.org <paul%40paulsnet.org>> wrote: Gavin, just > went to try this now. Are you using the LPT programmer, or the > usb programmer? > > Paul. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-06-12 by Qboll
Hi All, I want to do a boundaryscan test with my AVR project in production. Does anyone have/know a tool to generate a SVF file where I can toggle I/O pins? (access boundryscan cells) I googled already a few hours but I didn't found it. I have already a JTAG SVF file player. Programming is no problem. Atmel supplied a AVR2SVF generator, But it does only programming not boundaryscan testing. Thanks for the help, Pascal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-06-13 by paul sinclair
i tried this with mine. But it has to be the usb version. SO back to the drawing board for me. I might need to invest in a proper development board :( Paul. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Gavin Dingley <dingley76@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Paul, > I have not tried this yet, but I have the USB board - mySmartUSB, not a > printer parallel port version (didn't know there was one). The document is > at: http://www.myavr.info/download/techb_mysmartusb.pdf > see page 11 for details for using it with AVR studio. A such you select a > virtual COM port, as is the usual way with USB. > > Cheers, > > Gavin > > paul sinclair <paul@paulsnet.org <paul%40paulsnet.org>> wrote: Gavin, just > went to try this now. Are you using the LPT programmer, or the > usb programmer? > > Paul. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-06-14 by Raymond Hurst
I downloaded some BSD files from the Atmel website a while back. I haven't had time to look at them. Let me know ig that's what you're looking for. Ray Qboll wrote:
> > > Hi All, > > I want to do a boundaryscan test with my AVR project in production. > Does anyone have/know a tool to generate a SVF file where I can toggle > I/O pins? > (access boundryscan cells) > I googled already a few hours but I didn't found it. > > I have already a JTAG SVF file player. > Programming is no problem. Atmel supplied a AVR2SVF generator, But > it does only programming not boundaryscan testing. > > Thanks for the help, > > Pascal > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
2008-06-15 by Qboll
Hi Raymond, Do you have a information of how to read a BSD file? I also found these files for the avr but I don't know how to read it. Thanks, Pascal
-----Original Message----- From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Hurst Sent: 14 June 2008 18:15 To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Generate Boundary scan SVF file I downloaded some BSD files from the Atmel website a while back. I haven't had time to look at them. Let me know ig that's what you're looking for. Ray Qboll wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I want to do a boundaryscan test with my AVR project in production. > Does anyone have/know a tool to generate a SVF file where I can toggle > I/O pins? > (access boundryscan cells) > I googled already a few hours but I didn't found it. > > I have already a JTAG SVF file player. > Programming is no problem. Atmel supplied a AVR2SVF generator, But > it does only programming not boundaryscan testing. > > Thanks for the help, > > Pascal > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-06-15 by Raymond Hurst
Nope. That was what I was going to do when I got back to it. Ray Qboll wrote:
> > > Hi Raymond, > > Do you have a information of how to read a BSD file? > I also found these files for the avr but I don't know how to read it. > > Thanks, > Pascal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com>] On > Behalf Of Raymond Hurst > Sent: 14 June 2008 18:15 > To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AVR-Chat%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Generate Boundary scan SVF file > > I downloaded some BSD files from the Atmel website a while back. > I haven't had time to look at them. Let me know ig that's what you're > looking for. > Ray > > Qboll wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I want to do a boundaryscan test with my AVR project in production. > > Does anyone have/know a tool to generate a SVF file where I can toggle > > I/O pins? > > (access boundryscan cells) > > I googled already a few hours but I didn't found it. > > > > I have already a JTAG SVF file player. > > Programming is no problem. Atmel supplied a AVR2SVF generator, But > > it does only programming not boundaryscan testing. > > > > Thanks for the help, > > > > Pascal > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >