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2011-05-26 by cwjall
I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file to your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. If it helps just let me know.
2011-05-29 by Karl H. May
Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 sounds. Thanks, Karl May ________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cwjall Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file to your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. If it helps just let me know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-05-30 by steve_the_composer
Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was about the VZ!!! Never Mind. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
> > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of cwjall > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file to > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-05-30 by Lee Borrell
My site appears to be back online: http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set it up ready to get SYSX manually. Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any handshaking. Hope that helps. --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...t> wrote:
From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00
Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings.
Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was about the VZ!!!
Never Mind.
--- In CZsynth@...m, "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
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> Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101
> sounds. Thanks, Karl May
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> Of cwjall
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-30 by tjeu_horsch
Hello all,
This is my first post, so no flames please.
Can it be that we are using a wrong patch number? When I Saturday tried
to use the files from:
http://www.motormobil.de/cosmo/de/cz-and-vz-sounds/14-001cosmos
they would not load into my CZ2000s.
After some frustrating hours I noticed that the 6th and 7th byte of a
line are 21 and 00
f0 44 00 00 70 21 00 ...............
Changing it with a Hex editor to 20 and 20 solved the problem for me
for the time being.
f0 44 00 00 70 20 20 ...............
Maybe this will also help in your case.
Regards
Tjeu2011-05-30 by Lee Borrell
One of those bytes is indeed the patch number - depending on which CZ you have there will be one byte assigned to the "edit buffer" memory - which holds the one before it is stored to a RAM preset - this may be different on different CZs depending how many presets there are.Changing the number as suggested by Tjeu should place the info into the desired preset - the info about this should be at the links I provided. --- On Mon, 30/5/11, tjeu_horsch <tjeu.horsch@...> wrote:
From: tjeu_horsch <tjeu.horsch@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 21:12
Hello all,
This is my first post, so no flames please.
Can it be that we are using a wrong patch number? When I Saturday tried
to use the files from:
http://www.motormobil.de/cosmo/de/cz-and-vz-sounds/14-001cosmos
they would not load into my CZ2000s.
After some frustrating hours I noticed that the 6th and 7th byte of a
line are 21 and 00
f0 44 00 00 70 21 00 ...............
Changing it with a Hex editor to 20 and 20 solved the problem for me
for the time being.
f0 44 00 00 70 20 20 ...............
Maybe this will also help in your case.
Regards
Tjeu
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-30 by narfman96
Hi Tjeu, The first 20 is for the CZ101 - CZ5000 synths. The 21 is for the CZ1. The second 20 writes to the internal memory location A1. For the 32 patch synths 20 to 3F is the range from A1 to H8. If your synth stores fewer patches the number scales accordingly. The edit buffer location should be 60. Then you can save it wherever. All these numbers are in hex. Now why would we flame anybody who can figure out their CZ sysex? :) I'm leaving myself wide open.... Fran --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:
> > One of those bytes is indeed the patch number - depending on which CZ you have there will be one byte assigned to the "edit buffer" memory - which holds the one before it is stored to a RAM preset - this may be different on different CZs depending how many presets there are.Changing the number as suggested by Tjeu should place the info into the desired preset - the info about this should be at the links I provided. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, tjeu_horsch <tjeu.horsch@...> wrote: > > From: tjeu_horsch <tjeu.horsch@...> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 21:12 > > Hello all, > > > > This is my first post, so no flames please. > > Can it be that we are using a wrong patch number? When I Saturday tried > > to use the files from: > > > > http://www.motormobil.de/cosmo/de/cz-and-vz-sounds/14-001cosmos > > they would not load into my CZ2000s. > > > > After some frustrating hours I noticed that the 6th and 7th byte of a > > line are 21 and 00 > > f0 44 00 00 70 21 00 ............... > > Changing it with a Hex editor to 20 and 20 solved the problem for me > > for the time being. > > f0 44 00 00 70 20 20 ............... > > > > Maybe this will also help in your case. > > > > Regards > > Tjeu
2011-05-30 by charlie midi gfa
you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
> Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? > Many thanks, Karl May > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Lee Borrell > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > about the VZ!!! > > Never Mind. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > > Of cwjall > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2011-05-30 by Karl H. May
Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? Many thanks, Karl May ________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Borrell Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 My site appears to be back online: http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set it up ready to get SYSX manually. Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any handshaking. Hope that helps. --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was about the VZ!!! Never Mind. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of cwjall > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file to > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-05-31 by charlie midi gfa
yeah that method is good for solo signals but simply put , we are not fast like machines so a f7/over byte will mark the eox i got one written for my language and platform( cz101 librarian atari midi ) but should be same "settings" for midi ox ,, man that was fun .. i got a roland device lately so been talking to it too! charles
----- Original Message ----- From: "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 5:37 PM Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "\ufffd got a sysex message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it now." I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in the FIles section. The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command. If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7. Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account. Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed. At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if my memory is not 100%). Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? > Many thanks, Karl May > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Lee Borrell > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > about the VZ!!! > > Never Mind. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > > Of cwjall > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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2011-05-31 by charlie midi gfa
did you maybe misunderstand me i use a cz101 i use midi ---thru my pc i do not have midi ox the part unknown is i use a real atari but write alot of my programs on the pc using an atari emulator , , during this writing of the cz patch handler program i learned how to pack/unpack the cz patch voice and did much work on the sysex data to transfer voices via midi charles
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "j0sipzlatko5tojsic" <jo@...> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line Thanks Steve. Is anyone out there currently using a cz101 and successfully dumping and loading patches using a PC? It would be a big help to me to try and fill in the knowledge gaps so I can get this thing to work. Many thanks, Karl May ________________________________ From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve_the_composer Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 10:37 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "\ufffd got a sysex message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it now." I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in the FIles section. The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command. If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7. Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account. Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed. At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if my memory is not 100%). Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? > Many thanks, Karl May > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of Lee Borrell > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > about the VZ!!! > > Never Mind. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > > Of cwjall > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
2011-05-31 by steve_the_composer
FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "Ï got a sysex message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it now." I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in the FIles section. The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command. If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7. Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account. Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed. At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if my memory is not 100%). Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
> > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? > Many thanks, Karl May > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Lee Borrell > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > about the VZ!!! > > Never Mind. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > > Of cwjall > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-05-31 by Karl H. May
Thanks Steve. Is anyone out there currently using a cz101 and successfully dumping and loading patches using a PC? It would be a big help to me to try and fill in the knowledge gaps so I can get this thing to work. Many thanks, Karl May ________________________________
From: CZsynth@...m [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve_the_composer Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 10:37 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "Ï got a sysex message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it now." I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in the FIles section. The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command. If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7. Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account. Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed. At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if my memory is not 100%). Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? > Many thanks, Karl May > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of Lee Borrell > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > about the VZ!!! > > Never Mind. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > > Of cwjall > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-05-31 by charlie midi gfa
i can maybe help well the vz1 is different than the cz101 thats foir certain i know after you do your homework you'll be as proud as i am after learning yourself the cz sysex get back to me if u still haven't got it yet 00kk? hint: ,talk to it the way it talks to you! knowledge is feirce! i still haven't got the fx10m down but i know i have the cz101 format down i can only speculate the vz1 is similar to the fz10m me i use in a loop the single voice dump command i thinnk it only can dump one voice at a time charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
> Hi Charles, > > Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to > your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is > requesting? > > Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, or > only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If > it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it to > do this? > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of charlie midi gfa > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , > instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, > > charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file > to the Casio VZ1 > > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to > that? > > Many thanks, Karl May > > ________________________________ > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > Of Lee Borrell > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it > is > > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if > there > > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the > CZ101) > > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by > sending > > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and > set > > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other > instance > > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file > > to the Casio VZ1 > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox > and > > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > > about the VZ!!! > > > > Never Mind. > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load > cz101 > > > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > Behalf > > > > > Of cwjall > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > > to > > > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for > me! > > > > > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2011-05-31 by steve_the_composer
A pdf of the Casio Midi Guidebook (Nov. 1985) is indeed in the files section. If you look at real pp. 39-40 (pdf pp. 40-41). you will see what I mean in my previous post.
Computer to CZ-5000:
F0 44 00 00 00 70 14 61
"Hey, CZ! Send me a sequence!"
[Note: no F7!!!!!!!]
CZ-5000 to Computer:
F0 44 00 00 00 70 30
"Okie, Dokie. I got a request intended for me!"
[Again, no F7!!!!!!]
Computer to CZ-5000:
70 31
"Send me a packet of what you got based on my request."
[That's it--no F0, no F7, but its still part of the sysex handshaking dance.]
CZ-5000 to Computer:
{256 bytes of data] 70 32
{data} + "Let me know when you are ready for more."
Computer to CZ-5000:
70 31
"Send me a packet of what you got based on my request."
etc. until both the CZ sends the final F7
"We're done!"
and the computer responds: F7
"Ok; we're done."
In Cakewalk, I seem to recall piling up a bunch of 70 31 byte pairs, more than I would need to get a full sequence [song] from the CZ-5000.
F0 44 00 00 00 70 14 61 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 F7
As I seem to recall, after each 70 31, the CZ would send another packet and the other "ready--send more" commands (70 31) would just stay in the CZ midi in buffer until needed.
I believe when requesting CZ tone data (patch), you would just need one 70 31 so its there when the CZ says 70 30 ["OK, I got a request from you."]
Hope this helps.
Steve2011-05-31 by Karl H. May
Hi Charles, Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is requesting? Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, or only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it to do this? Many thanks, Karl May ________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie midi gfa Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? > Many thanks, Karl May > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of Lee Borrell > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > about the VZ!!! > > Never Mind. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > > Of cwjall > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-05-31 by Karl H. May
Charles, If you are able to, please give me the sysex strings that work for you as requested. Many thanks, Karl May ________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie midi gfa Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 11:05 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 i can maybe help well the vz1 is different than the cz101 thats foir certain i know after you do your homework you'll be as proud as i am after learning yourself the cz sysex get back to me if u still haven't got it yet 00kk? hint: ,talk to it the way it talks to you! knowledge is feirce! i still haven't got the fx10m down but i know i have the cz101 format down i can only speculate the vz1 is similar to the fz10m me i use in a loop the single voice dump command i thinnk it only can dump one voice at a time charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 > Hi Charles, > > Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to > your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is > requesting? > > Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, or > only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If > it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it to > do this? > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of charlie midi gfa > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , > instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, > > charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file > to the Casio VZ1 > > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to > that? > > Many thanks, Karl May > > ________________________________ > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > Of Lee Borrell > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it > is > > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if > there > > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the > CZ101) > > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by > sending > > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and > set > > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other > instance > > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file > > to the Casio VZ1 > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox > and > > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > > about the VZ!!! > > > > Never Mind. > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load > cz101 > > > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > Behalf > > > > > Of cwjall > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > > to > > > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for > me! > > > > > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
60 - Ahhh yes - that's the one! Hex is correct. --- On Mon, 30/5/11, narfman96 <narfman96@...> wrote:
From: narfman96 <narfman96@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 22:36
Hi Tjeu,
The first 20 is for the CZ101 - CZ5000 synths. The 21 is for the CZ1. The second 20 writes to the internal memory location A1. For the 32 patch synths 20 to 3F is the range from A1 to H8. If your synth stores fewer patches the number scales accordingly. The edit buffer location should be 60. Then you can save it wherever. All these numbers are in hex.
Now why would we flame anybody who can figure out their CZ sysex? :) I'm leaving myself wide open.... Fran
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:
>
> One of those bytes is indeed the patch number - depending on which CZ you have there will be one byte assigned to the "edit buffer" memory - which holds the one before it is stored to a RAM preset - this may be different on different CZs depending how many presets there are.Changing the number as suggested by Tjeu should place the info into the desired preset - the info about this should be at the links I provided.
>
> --- On Mon, 30/5/11, tjeu_horsch <tjeu.horsch@...> wrote:
>
> From: tjeu_horsch <tjeu.horsch@...>
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 21:12
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> This is my first post, so no flames please.
>
> Can it be that we are using a wrong patch number? When I Saturday tried
>
> to use the files from:
>
>
>
> http://www.motormobil.de/cosmo/de/cz-and-vz-sounds/14-001cosmos
>
> they would not load into my CZ2000s.
>
>
>
> After some frustrating hours I noticed that the 6th and 7th byte of a
>
> line are 21 and 00
>
> f0 44 00 00 70 21 00 ...............
>
> Changing it with a Hex editor to 20 and 20 solved the problem for me
>
> for the time being.
>
> f0 44 00 00 70 20 20 ...............
>
>
>
> Maybe this will also help in your case.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tjeu
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
I managed to dump a D5 sysx - but I have so many to access I have not investigated it too much - it seemed there was no handshaking rubbish with Roland. My D5 has a couple of broken facia switches so I tend not to mess with it as it is a pain to access the menus. --- On Tue, 31/5/11, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:
From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 1:01
yeah that method is good for solo signals
but simply put , we are not fast like machines so a f7/over byte will mark
the eox
i got one written for my language and platform( cz101 librarian atari midi )
but should be same "settings" for midi ox ,, man that was fun .. i got a
roland device lately so been talking to it too!
charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to
the Casio CZ line
FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "Ï got a sysex
message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it
now."
I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned
and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in
the FIles section.
The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ
midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark
the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi
put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command.
If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you
should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7.
Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account.
Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try
to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in
my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed.
At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for
dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if
my memory is not 100%).
Steve
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with
> the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that?
> Many thanks, Karl May
> ________________________________
>
> From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Lee Borrell
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
> file to the Casio VZ1
>
>
>
>
> My site appears to be back online:
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links -
> those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is
> just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there
> is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101)
> then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending
> a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With
> MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one
> version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set
> it up ready to get SYSX manually.
> Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and
> send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance
> will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx
> file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard
> with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any
> handshaking. Hope that helps.
>
> --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote:
>
> From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> >
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file
> to the Casio VZ1
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00
>
>
>
> Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your
> midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you
> have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and
> trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger
> the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1)
> that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings.
>
> Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was
> about the VZ!!!
>
> Never Mind.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101
>
> > sounds. Thanks, Karl May
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> >
>
> > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
>
> > Of cwjall
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM
>
> > To: CZsynth@...m <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to
>
> > the Casio VZ1
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file
> to
>
> > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me!
>
> >
>
> > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder.
>
> >
>
> > If it helps just let me know.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
I have not dumped to/from CZ for a long while...my own written procedure based on what I was told is here: http://templarseries.atspace.com/graphics/Synths/CZSYSX1.gif if it is not sending data in response to Spreznibs code then I do not know what has happened - all I can say is it worked for me,using the technique I described with a 101/1000/230s which allowed me to plant sounds created on 101/1000 to the four ram slots on the 230s. I have to say that CASIO have not made CZ/FZ/VZ transfer as easy as it might have been. --- On Tue, 31/5/11, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:
From: Karl H. May <kmay@...>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 0:47
Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with
the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that?
Many thanks, Karl May
________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lee Borrell
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
file to the Casio VZ1
My site appears to be back online:
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links -
those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is
just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there
is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101)
then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending
a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With
MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one
version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set
it up ready to get SYSX manually.
Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and
send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance
will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx
file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard
with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any
handshaking. Hope that helps.
--- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
<mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote:
From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
<mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> >
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file
to the Casio VZ1
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00
Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your
midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you
have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and
trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger
the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1)
that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings.
Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was
about the VZ!!!
Never Mind.
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
>
> Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101
> sounds. Thanks, Karl May
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: CZsynth@...m <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of cwjall
> Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to
> the Casio VZ1
>
>
>
>
> I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file
to
> your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me!
>
> The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder.
>
> If it helps just let me know.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
The dox I have at : http://templarseries.atspace.com/fz.html may help - there are some PDFs and a link to FZ sysx on the left - but the structure and codes though for the FZ may help point in the correct direction. --- On Tue, 31/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 1:37
FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "Ï got a sysex message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it now."
I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in the FIles section.
The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command.
If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7.
Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account. Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed.
At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if my memory is not 100%).
Steve
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with
> the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that?
> Many thanks, Karl May
> ________________________________
>
> From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Lee Borrell
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
> file to the Casio VZ1
>
>
>
>
> My site appears to be back online:
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links -
> those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is
> just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there
> is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101)
> then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending
> a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With
> MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one
> version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set
> it up ready to get SYSX manually.
> Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and
> send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance
> will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx
> file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard
> with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any
> handshaking. Hope that helps.
>
> --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote:
>
> From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> >
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file
> to the Casio VZ1
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00
>
>
>
> Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your
> midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you
> have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and
> trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger
> the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1)
> that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings.
>
> Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was
> about the VZ!!!
>
> Never Mind.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101
>
> > sounds. Thanks, Karl May
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> >
>
> > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
>
> > Of cwjall
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM
>
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to
>
> > the Casio VZ1
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file
> to
>
> > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me!
>
> >
>
> > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder.
>
> >
>
> > If it helps just let me know.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
This one is probably the most help: http://templarseries.atspace.com/CZMANUAL.html --- On Tue, 31/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 1:37
FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "Ï got a sysex message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it now."
I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in the FIles section.
The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command.
If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7.
Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account. Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed.
At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if my memory is not 100%).
Steve
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with
> the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that?
> Many thanks, Karl May
> ________________________________
>
> From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Lee Borrell
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
> file to the Casio VZ1
>
>
>
>
> My site appears to be back online:
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links -
> those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is
> just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there
> is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101)
> then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending
> a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With
> MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one
> version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set
> it up ready to get SYSX manually.
> Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and
> send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance
> will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx
> file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard
> with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any
> handshaking. Hope that helps.
>
> --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote:
>
> From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> >
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file
> to the Casio VZ1
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00
>
>
>
> Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your
> midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you
> have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and
> trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger
> the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1)
> that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings.
>
> Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was
> about the VZ!!!
>
> Never Mind.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101
>
> > sounds. Thanks, Karl May
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> >
>
> > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
>
> > Of cwjall
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM
>
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to
>
> > the Casio VZ1
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file
> to
>
> > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me!
>
> >
>
> > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder.
>
> >
>
> > If it helps just let me know.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
I still have them and when I need to still dump - it is just that I haven't needed to for ages. Once I get the protocol written down I tend not to do it as it is a pain! As long as the RAM is on backed up on the PC! --- On Tue, 31/5/11, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:
From: Karl H. May <kmay@...>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "j0sipzlatko5tojsic" <jo@...>
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 1:49
Thanks Steve. Is anyone out there currently using a cz101 and successfully dumping and loading patches using a PC? It would be a big help to me to try and fill in the knowledge gaps so I can get this thing to work. Many thanks, Karl May
________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve_the_composer
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 10:37 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line
FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7 is "acknowledge." The CZ is saying, "Ï got a sysex message that was intended for me." It implies, "If you have more, send it now."
I this info is available in the CAsio CZ Midi Guide which someone scanned and which has been available on the internet for years. It might even be in the FIles section.
The CZ handshaking protocol is a bit funky to work with. When developing CZ midi, Casio developers did a no-no. They thought the F7 was supposed to mark the end of a series of system exclsive messages. Everyone else doing midi put the F7 at the end of each and every sysex command.
If you take a look at the CZ-5000 sequencer dump handshaking sequence, you should see sysex flying back and forth between an initial F0 and a final F7.
Anyone designing software for the CZ line has to take this into account. Software with generic sysex functionality like midi-ox or Cakewalk can try to fool the CZ by adding some extra "OK; send more" byte sequences which in my experience with the CZ-5000 stay in the CZ's midi in buffer until needed.
At least this is how I remember it being when I would send requests for dumps from cakewalk to the CZ. I hope others can confirm this. (Apologies if my memory is not 100%).
Steve
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with
> the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that?
> Many thanks, Karl May
> ________________________________
>
> From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of Lee Borrell
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
> file to the Casio VZ1
>
>
>
>
> My site appears to be back online:
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links -
> those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is
> just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there
> is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101)
> then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending
> a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With
> MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one
> version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set
> it up ready to get SYSX manually.
> Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and
> send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance
> will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx
> file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard
> with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any
> handshaking. Hope that helps.
>
> --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote:
>
> From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> >
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file
> to the Casio VZ1
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00
>
>
>
> Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your
> midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you
> have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and
> trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger
> the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1)
> that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings.
>
> Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was
> about the VZ!!!
>
> Never Mind.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Karl H. May" <kmay@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101
>
> > sounds. Thanks, Karl May
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> >
>
> > From: CZsynth@...m <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
>
> > Of cwjall
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM
>
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to
>
> > the Casio VZ1
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file
> to
>
> > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me!
>
> >
>
> > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder.
>
> >
>
> > If it helps just let me know.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> >
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
That may help me with FZ1 dumps - what puzzled me was how to achieve AUTOMATION - that is- using my technique for MIDI-ox one would need to continuously respond to any message sent back from the CZ/FZ/VZ using some sort of macro or program (Charles must have an easier time of it using programs rather than lib/editors),but if the responses are embedded in the message much as Spreznib said in the manual then maybe that is a way around responding to repeated ACK messages from the keyboard - it is the dialogue that causes the problem.....Yamaha seem to be much easier - you either send one message and it responds with data or there is a front panel dump.Casio....even on the CTK have a front panel dump - but it doesn't even stay on the LCD long enough to dump if you are busy with a PC trying to get it ready to respond. NUTS! --- On Tue, 31/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 2:10
A pdf of the Casio Midi Guidebook (Nov. 1985) is indeed in the files section. If you look at real pp. 39-40 (pdf pp. 40-41). you will see what I mean in my previous post.
Computer to CZ-5000:
F0 44 00 00 00 70 14 61
"Hey, CZ! Send me a sequence!"
[Note: no F7!!!!!!!]
CZ-5000 to Computer:
F0 44 00 00 00 70 30
"Okie, Dokie. I got a request intended for me!"
[Again, no F7!!!!!!]
Computer to CZ-5000:
70 31
"Send me a packet of what you got based on my request."
[That's it--no F0, no F7, but its still part of the sysex handshaking dance.]
CZ-5000 to Computer:
{256 bytes of data] 70 32
{data} + "Let me know when you are ready for more."
Computer to CZ-5000:
70 31
"Send me a packet of what you got based on my request."
etc. until both the CZ sends the final F7
"We're done!"
and the computer responds: F7
"Ok; we're done."
In Cakewalk, I seem to recall piling up a bunch of 70 31 byte pairs, more than I would need to get a full sequence [song] from the CZ-5000.
F0 44 00 00 00 70 14 61 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 F7
As I seem to recall, after each 70 31, the CZ would send another packet and the other "ready--send more" commands (70 31) would just stay in the CZ midi in buffer until needed.
I believe when requesting CZ tone data (patch), you would just need one 70 31 so its there when the CZ says 70 30 ["OK, I got a request from you."]
Hope this helps.
Steve
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
To my knowledge it dumps one at a time - if there is a string to dump the whole contents I'd love it too as obviously one by one takes time to dump the entire memory. A program loop obviously makes short work of it. --- On Tue, 31/5/11, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:
From: Karl H. May <kmay@...>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 2:23
Hi Charles,
Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to
your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is
requesting?
Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, or
only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If
it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it to
do this?
Many thanks, Karl May
________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
file to the Casio VZ1
you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command ,
instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,,
charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...
<mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
file
to the Casio VZ1
> Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with
> the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to
that?
> Many thanks, Karl May
> ________________________________
>
> From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of Lee Borrell
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
> file to the Casio VZ1
>
>
>
>
> My site appears to be back online:
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links -
> those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it
is
> just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if
there
> is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the
CZ101)
> then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by
sending
> a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With
> MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one
> version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and
set
> it up ready to get SYSX manually.
> Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and
> send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other
instance
> will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx
> file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard
> with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any
> handshaking. Hope that helps.
>
> --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
<mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net>
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote:
>
> From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...
<mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net>
> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> >
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx
file
> to the Casio VZ1
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00
>
>
>
> Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your
> midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you
> have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox
and
> trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger
> the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1)
> that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings.
>
> Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was
> about the VZ!!!
>
> Never Mind.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote:
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> >
>
> > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load
cz101
>
> > sounds. Thanks, Karl May
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
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> > Of cwjall
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> > the Casio VZ1
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> > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file
> to
>
> > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for
me!
>
> >
>
> > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder.
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> >
>
> > If it helps just let me know.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by Lee Borrell
I believe that manual is also on my site:How about this one - I just downloaded the FZF files from the files section. I had minor success using one program to pickup FZ files,but if these files exist then that means that they are being transferred from the FZ...how? And once on the files section - they have a few means to get back to the FZ - floppy disk....lib/editor/sys program...or D plug transfer.....How to get the FZF files onto a floppy that the FZ reads as these are not PC disks?How to transfer FZF using MIDI ox - as this is a similar/same problem as the handshaking one for VZ/CZ - or is it possible to embed the handshakes as before? --- On Tue, 31/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio CZ line
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 2:10
A pdf of the Casio Midi Guidebook (Nov. 1985) is indeed in the files section. If you look at real pp. 39-40 (pdf pp. 40-41). you will see what I mean in my previous post.
Computer to CZ-5000:
F0 44 00 00 00 70 14 61
"Hey, CZ! Send me a sequence!"
[Note: no F7!!!!!!!]
CZ-5000 to Computer:
F0 44 00 00 00 70 30
"Okie, Dokie. I got a request intended for me!"
[Again, no F7!!!!!!]
Computer to CZ-5000:
70 31
"Send me a packet of what you got based on my request."
[That's it--no F0, no F7, but its still part of the sysex handshaking dance.]
CZ-5000 to Computer:
{256 bytes of data] 70 32
{data} + "Let me know when you are ready for more."
Computer to CZ-5000:
70 31
"Send me a packet of what you got based on my request."
etc. until both the CZ sends the final F7
"We're done!"
and the computer responds: F7
"Ok; we're done."
In Cakewalk, I seem to recall piling up a bunch of 70 31 byte pairs, more than I would need to get a full sequence [song] from the CZ-5000.
F0 44 00 00 00 70 14 61 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 70 31 F7
As I seem to recall, after each 70 31, the CZ would send another packet and the other "ready--send more" commands (70 31) would just stay in the CZ midi in buffer until needed.
I believe when requesting CZ tone data (patch), you would just need one 70 31 so its there when the CZ says 70 30 ["OK, I got a request from you."]
Hope this helps.
Steve
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-05-31 by charlie midi gfa
ok , i'll make you a deal,,,,,since i do alot of this coding and figurering out these communications i will demand a trade... alot of my interest are in midi send me some of the sounds you made or send me an original midi file or two you have made i can't waste time cause its all dedicated to programming my midi programs anybody want to help code some cool toys to aid with music compostion? charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1
> Charles, > > If you are able to, please give me the sysex strings that work for you > as requested. > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of charlie midi gfa > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 11:05 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > i can maybe help > > well the vz1 is different than the cz101 thats foir certain > > i know after you do your homework you'll be as proud as i am > after learning yourself the cz sysex > > get back to me if u still haven't got it yet 00kk? > hint: > ,talk to it the way it talks to you! > > knowledge is feirce! > > i still haven't got the fx10m down > but > i know i have the cz101 format down > i can only speculate the vz1 is similar to the fz10m > > me i use in a loop > the single voice dump command > > i thinnk it only can dump one voice at a time > > charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:23 PM > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file > to the Casio VZ1 > > > Hi Charles, > > > > Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to > > your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is > > requesting? > > > > Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, > or > > only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If > > it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it > to > > do this? > > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > Of charlie midi gfa > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , > > instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, > > > > charles > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM > > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds > with > > > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to > > that? > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > Behalf > > > Of Lee Borrell > > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive > syx > > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > > > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > > > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links > - > > > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - > it > > is > > > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if > > there > > > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the > > CZ101) > > > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by > > sending > > > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi > out.With > > > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up > one > > > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and > > set > > > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > > > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > > > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other > > instance > > > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a > SYSx > > > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > > > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > > > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > > > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file > > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) > your > > > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > > > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox > > and > > > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could > trigger > > > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but > (1) > > > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ > settings. > > > > > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > > > about the VZ!!! > > > > > > Never Mind. > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load > > cz101 > > > > > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > > Behalf > > > > > > > Of cwjall > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file > > to > > > > > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx > file > > > to > > > > > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for > > me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2011-05-31 by Karl H. May
Thanks everyone for your comments. No new information has yet come to light. If anyone is currently successfully using a pc to load and save cz101 patches please contact me. Thanks again, Karl May ________________________________
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Borrell Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 5:25 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 To my knowledge it dumps one at a time - if there is a string to dump the whole contents I'd love it too as obviously one by one takes time to dump the entire memory. A program loop obviously makes short work of it. --- On Tue, 31/5/11, Karl H. May <kmay@... <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > wrote: From: Karl H. May <kmay@... <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 2:23 Hi Charles, Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is requesting? Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, or only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it to do this? Many thanks, Karl May ________________________________ From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of charlie midi gfa Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds with > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to that? > Many thanks, Karl May > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of Lee Borrell > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links - > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - it is > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if there > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the CZ101) > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by sending > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi out.With > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up one > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and set > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other instance > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a SYSx > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) your > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox and > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could trigger > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but (1) > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ settings. > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > about the VZ!!! > > Never Mind. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load cz101 > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > > Of cwjall > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx file > to > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for me! > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-06-05 by james meagher
You know Charles, this is just my opinion (I don't speak for the group in any way), but I don't think you should post messages to the whole group boasting about the information you've figured out if you're not willing to freely share that information within the group . . . I personally think it runs contrary the whole idea of what these groups are about. There has been a ton of information and knowledge shared here, and as I've found most it by searching through and reading all the old messages I've never once seen someone "demand" anything in exchange for their knowledge and their help. Just look at all the information and knowledge someone like "cosmo" has shared both in this group and on his website (which he has put up again just to keep sharing his resources, for free, with all those interested). And there are so many more like him in this group that are constantly openly sharing their knowledge. I certainly don't think that there would be anything wrong with you * requesting* sounds or original midi files that other users have made (and a quick look a the files section in this group will quickly give you an idea of how generous everyone is with sharing what they have to contribute), but to withhold a piece of information that could be very helpful to the other users (especially after going through the effort of letting the group know that you've figured out that specific piece of information in a message), just seems, to me at least, contrary to everything that's going on here. Let's face it, the group member who has requested this information from you, so they can get the communication running between their synth and computer, might be very new to this synth, or to synths in general, and might not yet at this point have any personally generated patches, or midi files to share. This kind of member who probably needs your help even more than a member who *could *supply you with their own sounds and midi files, as those members would have a better shot at working this information out for themselves. Anyhow, again this is just my opinion. I am still quite new to the CASIO synths (and all real vintage hardware synths to be honest), and the information freely shared within this group has made it possible for me to learn in a short time what could have taken me years to figure out on my own. If I had had to trade some information or patch files for every bit of that information I've found here I'd have been screwed because I'm new to this and don't yet have any info I've figured out on my own to share with the group - but hopefully I will be able to help out another member down the road when I've gained more experience (thanks largely to this group) and am then in a position to happily share it within the group that helped me so much. That's just how I see it. James On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:12 AM, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@... > wrote: > > > ok , i'll make you a deal,,,,,since i do alot of this coding and figurering > out these communications > i will demand a trade... alot of my interest are in midi > > send me some of the sounds you made > or > send me an original midi file or two you have made > > i can't waste time cause its all dedicated to programming my midi programs > anybody want to help code some cool toys to aid with music compostion? > > > charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:08 PM > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > to the Casio VZ1 > > > Charles, > > > > If you are able to, please give me the sysex strings that work for you > > as requested. > > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > Of charlie midi gfa > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 11:05 AM > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > i can maybe help > > > > well the vz1 is different than the cz101 thats foir certain > > > > i know after you do your homework you'll be as proud as i am > > after learning yourself the cz sysex > > > > get back to me if u still haven't got it yet 00kk? > > hint: > > ,talk to it the way it talks to you! > > > > knowledge is feirce! > > > > i still haven't got the fx10m down > > but > > i know i have the cz101 format down > > i can only speculate the vz1 is similar to the fz10m > > > > me i use in a loop > > the single voice dump command > > > > i thinnk it only can dump one voice at a time > > > > charles > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:23 PM > > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > Hi Charles, > > > > > > Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to > > > your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is > > > requesting? > > > > > > Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, > > or > > > only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If > > > it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it > > to > > > do this? > > > > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > Behalf > > > Of charlie midi gfa > > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , > > > instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, > > > > > > charles > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > file > > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds > > with > > > > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to > > > that? > > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > > Behalf > > > > Of Lee Borrell > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive > > syx > > > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > > > > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > > > > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links > > - > > > > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - > > it > > > is > > > > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if > > > there > > > > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the > > > CZ101) > > > > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by > > > sending > > > > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi > > out.With > > > > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up > > one > > > > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and > > > set > > > > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > > > > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > > > > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other > > > instance > > > > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a > > SYSx > > > > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > > > > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > > > > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > file > > > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) > > your > > > > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > > > > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox > > > and > > > > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could > > trigger > > > > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but > > (1) > > > > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ > > settings. > > > > > > > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > > > > about the VZ!!! > > > > > > > > Never Mind. > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load > > > cz101 > > > > > > > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > > > Of cwjall > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > > > > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > file > > > to > > > > > > > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx > > file > > > > to > > > > > > > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for > > > me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! 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2011-06-05 by charlie midi gfa
i can say with certainty , if people keep reposting about the same issue its not clearily my fault they don't understand the sysex. i find this chatter to be prominant in most groups ,, more talk no action ,so thats what i do now ... please don't attack ,me personally i can say it is possible and it is very simple once understanding how things work charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "james meagher" <w.james.meagher@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file to the Casio VZ1 > You know Charles, this is just my opinion (I don't speak for the group in > any way), but I don't think you should post messages to the whole group > boasting about the information you've figured out if you're not willing to > freely share that information within the group . . . I personally think it > runs contrary the whole idea of what these groups are about. > > There has been a ton of information and knowledge shared here, and as I've > found most it by searching through and reading all the old messages I've > never once seen someone "demand" anything in exchange for their knowledge > and their help. Just look at all the information and knowledge someone like > "cosmo" has shared both in this group and on his website (which he has put > up again just to keep sharing his resources, for free, with all those > interested). And there are so many more like him in this group that are > constantly openly sharing their knowledge. > > I certainly don't think that there would be anything wrong with you * > requesting* sounds or original midi files that other users have made (and a > quick look a the files section in this group will quickly give you an idea > of how generous everyone is with sharing what they have to contribute), but > to withhold a piece of information that could be very helpful to the other > users (especially after going through the effort of letting the group know > that you've figured out that specific piece of information in a message), > just seems, to me at least, contrary to everything that's going on here. > > Let's face it, the group member who has requested this information from you, > so they can get the communication running between their synth and computer, > might be very new to this synth, or to synths in general, and might not yet > at this point have any personally generated patches, or midi files to share. > This kind of member who probably needs your help even more than a member who > *could *supply you with their own sounds and midi files, as those members > would have a better shot at working this information out for themselves. > > Anyhow, again this is just my opinion. I am still quite new to the CASIO > synths (and all real vintage hardware synths to be honest), and the > information freely shared within this group has made it possible for me to > learn in a short time what could have taken me years to figure out on my > own. If I had had to trade some information or patch files for every bit of > that information I've found here I'd have been screwed because I'm new to > this and don't yet have any info I've figured out on my own to share with > the group - but hopefully I will be able to help out another member down the > road when I've gained more experience (thanks largely to this group) and am > then in a position to happily share it within the group that helped me so > much. > > That's just how I see it. > James > > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:12 AM, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@... > > wrote: > > > > > > > ok , i'll make you a deal,,,,,since i do alot of this coding and figurering > > out these communications > > i will demand a trade... alot of my interest are in midi > > > > send me some of the sounds you made > > or > > send me an original midi file or two you have made > > > > i can't waste time cause its all dedicated to programming my midi programs > > anybody want to help code some cool toys to aid with music compostion? > > > > > > charles > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:08 PM > > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx file > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > Charles, > > > > > > If you are able to, please give me the sysex strings that work for you > > > as requested. > > > > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > > Of charlie midi gfa > > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 11:05 AM > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i can maybe help > > > > > > well the vz1 is different than the cz101 thats foir certain > > > > > > i know after you do your homework you'll be as proud as i am > > > after learning yourself the cz sysex > > > > > > get back to me if u still haven't got it yet 00kk? > > > hint: > > > ,talk to it the way it talks to you! > > > > > > knowledge is feirce! > > > > > > i still haven't got the fx10m down > > > but > > > i know i have the cz101 format down > > > i can only speculate the vz1 is similar to the fz10m > > > > > > me i use in a loop > > > the single voice dump command > > > > > > i thinnk it only can dump one voice at a time > > > > > > charles > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > > > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:23 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > file > > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > Hi Charles, > > > > > > > > Can you give me a full sysex string you use to dump a single sound to > > > > your Atari and indicate which patch number ( 1-16 ) the string is > > > > requesting? > > > > > > > > Do you know whether the cz101 will dump and load whole banks at once, > > > or > > > > only single sounds? I have seen conflicting comments on this issue. If > > > > it will dump the whole bank, can you give me the string to command it > > > to > > > > do this? > > > > > > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > > Behalf > > > > Of charlie midi gfa > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 9:18 AM > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can just send the whole handshaking string as one command , > > > > instead of waiting for the responce (s) from the cz ,, > > > > > > > > charles > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > > > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > > > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > > > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:47 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > > file > > > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > Thanks Lee. When I ask the cz101 to dump it's memory it responds > > > with > > > > > the sysex string FO 44 00 00 70 30 F7. What do I do in response to > > > > that? > > > > > Many thanks, Karl May > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > > > Behalf > > > > > Of Lee Borrell > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 1:28 AM > > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive > > > syx > > > > > file to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My site appears to be back online: > > > > > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html > > > > > The details are in CZinfo and manual and DEFEATING HANDSHAKING links > > > - > > > > > those details I have used with the 101 and 230s and they do work - > > > it > > > > is > > > > > just a matter of getting your head around it.As was said here - if > > > > there > > > > > is a dump from keyboard protocol - use that - if not (as with the > > > > CZ101) > > > > > then you have to prompt the keyboard from the MIDI in socket by > > > > sending > > > > > a "Send SYSx" code - and wait for the reception from the midi > > > out.With > > > > > MIDI ox I use TWO instances of the program at once - first set up > > > one > > > > > version to ONLY receieve on from the OUT socket of the keyboard and > > > > set > > > > > it up ready to get SYSX manually. > > > > > Use the other version to ONLY transmit (in the devices dialogue) and > > > > > send the prompt from this instance of the program,and the other > > > > instance > > > > > will pick up the SYSx code from the 101. From there,dump it as a > > > SYSx > > > > > file to the PC and from then on you can send it back to the keyboard > > > > > with no further messing about - it will accept the SYSx without any > > > > > handshaking. Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 30/5/11, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@... > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > > <mailto:smw-mail%40prodigy.net> > > > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > > file > > > > > to the Casio VZ1 > > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 16:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your setup will be based on (1) your internal VZ settings and (2) > > > your > > > > > midi connections between the VZ and your PC. I believe that once you > > > > > have those set up correctly, you just go into sysex mode in midi-ox > > > > and > > > > > trigger the bulk dump from the VZ itself. I suppose you could > > > trigger > > > > > the dumps from midi-ox by inputting the correct sysex command, but > > > (1) > > > > > that's more work and (2) it would depend on your internal VZ > > > settings. > > > > > > > > > > Oh. You asked about the cz-101. Silly me; I saw that the thread was > > > > > about the VZ!!! > > > > > > > > > > Never Mind. > > > > > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > > > "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please upload the midi ox settings to save and load > > > > cz101 > > > > > > > > > > > sounds. Thanks, Karl May > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > > > > > Of cwjall > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Midiox settings to transmit and receive syx > > > file > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the Casio VZ1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded a guide on how to transmit and receive syx > > > file > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > your VZ-1 using Midiox. These are my settings. It works great for
> > > > me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The file is in the "VZ - DOCs" folder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it helps just let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > C'est La Guerre Moving Pictures Inc. > 364 Home Street > Winnipeg, Manitoba > R3G 1X4 > (204) 918 9317 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >