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2003-04-02 by hairytrigger
Hi guys I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have the original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds like a piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had printed all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck. Did anyone figure this out? Scott
2003-04-02 by liberatusvirus
Scott, As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out ok. Maybe you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise I am sure that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very popular topic for months. Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote: > Hi guys > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have the > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds like a > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had printed
> all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck. Did > anyone figure this out? > Scott
2003-04-02 by underneathheaven
Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with frustration but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and a call with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, but it requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory reset will set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the utility mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi notes to whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit number one for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi Channel 10, and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is whatever number you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. Martin suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long as the midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter what the sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set as "not assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing quite early in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 like I did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected in the dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about selecting volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound you want. (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and advance mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the PM-16 settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as well. I wrote this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think you know what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with these instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll respond in more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number do you have lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says 84...don't know why. --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > Scott, > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out ok. Maybe > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise I am sure > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very popular > topic for months. > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote: > > Hi guys > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have the > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds like
> a > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had > printed > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck. Did > > anyone figure this out? > > Scott
2003-04-02 by hairytrigger
Thanks, Under I will try this tonight. What I didn't want to do was a factory reset. I know my xpress is receiving ch 10 because I use a midi program patch change device to change kits...But I'll try anything!!! I'll let you know how I do. Thanks again, Scott --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> wrote:
> Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with frustration > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and a call > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, but it > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory reset will > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the utility > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi notes to > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit number one > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi Channel 10, > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is whatever number > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. Martin > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long as the > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter what the > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set as "not > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing quite early > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 like I > did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected in the > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about selecting > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound you want. > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and advance > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the PM-16 > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as well. I wrote > this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think you know > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with these > instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll respond in > more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number do you have > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says 84...don't know > why. > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > Scott, > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out ok. > Maybe > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise I am > sure > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very popular > > topic for months. > > > > Ed > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> > wrote: > > > Hi guys > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have the > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds > like > > a > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had > > printed > > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck. Did > > > anyone figure this out? > > > Scott
2003-04-03 by hairytrigger
OK here's the deal. I didn't want to do the factory reset.As I said, my program change device works. But as I wrote that I thought..'it works UNLESS I have been playing along with the internal songs'... If you press SHIFT/ MUTE the drums are muted.But, for some reason, it also keeps my program change device from working. WELL, low and behold, it was also keeping my PM-16 from getting thru. What kind of deal is that? So I started getting the faintest sounds of PERCUSSION. I made the proper note number settings and I HAVE DRUMS! BUT the only way they are loud enough is with the input slider set to MIC rather than LINE/TRIG, and the pot all the way up. I have set the voice volume in xpress to 127. I went into the Level menu in the PM-16.The voices from the pm-16 pads have just a little less volume than the same voices from the xpress pads. Same type pads too. AND contrary to what I remember from an earlier post, it remembers my patches. I have two set up now, 31, and 32.I turn it off, they come back!!! This is great. To underneathheaven:That 84 or 83 in the display is a bank number and a patch number. Select a different patch number, say 5, making it 85. Try some different settings and see if they will save. The only downside is each group of patches needs its own set of different note numbers, if you want different sounds. Any insight into the volume thing?? Anybody?? Please?? Scott
2003-04-03 by Walt
Hi Scott, When I first hooked up a PM-16, I had the same experiences. The switches had to be set to the mike position, and I had most of the sensitivity controls maxed out (except that I think inputs 1&2 were hotter than the rest)and had to decrease the volume of the pads directly connected to the DTX to balance everything. Walt --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> OK here's the deal. > I didn't want to do the factory reset.As I said, my program change > device works. > But as I wrote that I thought..'it works UNLESS I have been playing > along with the internal songs'... If you press SHIFT/ MUTE the drums > are muted.But, for some reason, it also keeps my program change device > from working. WELL, low and behold, it was also keeping my PM-16 from > getting thru. What kind of deal is that? > So I started getting the faintest sounds of PERCUSSION. I made the > proper note number settings and I HAVE DRUMS! > BUT the only way they are loud enough is with the input slider set to > MIC rather than LINE/TRIG, and the pot all the way up. I have set the > voice volume in xpress to 127. I went into the Level menu in the > PM-16.The voices from the pm-16 pads have just a little less volume > than the same voices from the xpress pads. Same type pads too. > AND contrary to what I remember from an earlier post, it remembers my > patches. I have two set up now, 31, and 32.I turn it off, they come > back!!! This is great. > To underneathheaven:That 84 or 83 in the display is a bank number and > a patch number. Select a different patch number, say 5, making it 85. > Try some different settings and see if they will save. The only > downside is each group of patches needs its own set of different note > numbers, if you want different sounds. > Any insight into the volume thing?? Anybody?? Please?? > Scott
2003-04-03 by Daniel Rodriguez
----- Original Message -----From: underneathheavenSent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PMSubject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with frustration
but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and a call
with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, but it
requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory reset will
set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the utility
mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi notes to
whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit number one
for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi Channel 10,
and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is whatever number
you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. Martin
suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long as the
midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter what the
sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set as "not
assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing quite early
in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 like I
did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected in the
dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about selecting
volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound you want.
(All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and advance
mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the PM-16
settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as well. I wrote
this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think you know
what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with these
instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll respond in
more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number do you have
lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says 84...don't know
why.
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus"
wrote:
> Scott,
>
> As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out ok.
Maybe
> you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise I am
sure
> that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very popular
> topic for months.
>
> Ed
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger"
wrote:
> > Hi guys
> > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have the
> > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds
like
> a
> > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had
> printed
> > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck. Did
> > anyone figure this out?
> > Scott
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2003-04-03 by Walt
Hi Daniel, A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it as being 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note number, then sends that note number to another midi device to convert into sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing happens between the trigger and voice sections of the module. It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a second module is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm-16 for my kit but now use 2 modules instead. Walt --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" <rbdaniel@b...> wrote: > Hello Everyone > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar with it, but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads installed. I am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads to the kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am asking because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for another drum module that I would love to put to good use at a sensitive $$... > > Thanks > > Daniel Rodriguez > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: underneathheaven > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with frustration > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and a call > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, but it > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory reset will > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the utility > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi notes to > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit number one > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi Channel 10, > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is whatever number > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. Martin > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long as the > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter what the > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set as "not > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing quite early > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 like I > did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected in the > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about selecting > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound you want. > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and advance > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the PM-16 > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as well. I wrote > this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think you know > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with these > instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll respond in > more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number do you have > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says 84...don't know > why. > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > Scott, > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out ok. > Maybe > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise I am > sure > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very popular > > topic for months. > > > > Ed > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> > wrote: > > > Hi guys > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have the > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds > like > > a > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had > > printed > > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck. Did > > > anyone figure this out? > > > Scott > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
2003-04-03 by Daniel Rodriguez
----- Original Message -----From: WaltSent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AMSubject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16Hi Daniel,
A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it as being
1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note number, then
sends that note number to another midi device to convert into
sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing happens
between the trigger and voice sections of the module.
It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a second module
is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm-16 for my
kit but now use 2 modules instead.
Walt
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez"
wrote:
> Hello Everyone
>
> I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar with it,
but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads installed. I
am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads to the
kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am asking
because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for another
drum module that I would love to put to good use at a sensitive $$...
>
> Thanks
>
> Daniel Rodriguez
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: underneathheaven
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM
> Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16
>
>
> Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with
frustration
> but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and a call
> with Martin from Yamaha. ; To fix the problem is simple, but it
> requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory reset
will
>; set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the utility
> mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi notes
to
> whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit number
one
> for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi Channel 10,
> and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is whatever
number
> you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. Martin
> suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long as the
> midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter what the
> sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set as "not
> assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing quite
early
> in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 like I
> did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected in the
> dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about selecting
> volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound you
want.
> (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and advance
> mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the PM-16
> settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as well. I
wrote
> this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think you know
> what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with these
> instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll respond
in
> more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number do you
have
> lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says 84...don't
know
>; why.
>
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus"
> wrote:
> > Scott,
> >
> > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out ok.
> Maybe
> > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise I am
> sure
> > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very popular
> > topic for months.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger"
> wrote:
> > > Hi guys
> >; > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have
the
> > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds
> like
> > a
> > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had
> > printed
> > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck.
Did
> > > anyone figure this out?
> > > Scott
>
>
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2003-04-03 by Walt
Hi Daniel, It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is connected via a midi cable to the Yamaha module. There are some limitations that you need to be aware of though, like the fact that within the DTXpress you can not assign sounds in user kit definitions for the pads connected via a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be the same in all of the user kits. In other words, if you assign a cowbell sound for the pad connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be a cowbell sound in all of the user xpress kits. This is not a limitation of the PM-16 per se, but is one of the environment. This is one reason why some folks prefer a second module instead of a pad to midi interface. There are others in the group that can provide more opinions on this too - come on, speak up! Walt --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" <rbdaniel@b...> wrote: > Hello Walt > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I have? How many max? > For What you say the whole thing is piggy-back back to the Yamaha module right? I take it through the Midi interface, right? I know I am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I have seen a few PM-16 for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, anything to get the brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > Thanks > > Daniel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Walt > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > Hi Daniel, > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it as being > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note number, then > sends that note number to another midi device to convert into > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing happens > between the trigger and voice sections of the module. > > It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a second module > is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm-16 for my > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > Walt > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" <rbdaniel@b...> > wrote: > > Hello Everyone > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar with it, > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads installed. I > am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads to the > kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am asking > because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for another > drum module that I would love to put to good use at a sensitive $$... > > > > Thanks > > > > Daniel Rodriguez > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: underneathheaven > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with > frustration > > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and a call > > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, but it > > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory reset > will > > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the utility > > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi notes > to > > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit number > one > > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi Channel 10, > > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is whatever > number > > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. Martin > > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long as the > > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter what the > > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set as "not > > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing quite > early > > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 like I > > did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected in the > > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about selecting > > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound you > want. > > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and advance > > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the PM- 16 > > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as well. I > wrote > > this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think you know > > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with these > > instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll respond > in > > more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number do you > have > > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says 84...don't > know > > why. > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > Scott, > > > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out ok. > > Maybe > > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise I am > > sure > > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very popular > > > topic for months. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> > > wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I have > the > > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. Sounds > > like > > > a > > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I had > > > printed > > > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no luck. > Did > > > > anyone figure this out? > > > > Scott > > > > > > Yahoo! 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2003-04-03 by underneathheaven
I used to worry about not being able to have a different sound on every user defined kit until I discussed it with someone on here. What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion connected to the PM- 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like connected to the pm-16 because I wanna use it all the time no matter what kit I'm dealing with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect to my module. If I used a gong or cowbell for example I would connect those sounds to the pm-16 because they don't change very often for me. Toms and crap like that do so they are always connected to my module. Dont let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. Its worth it to have 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks after the gig! :) --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" <wgardus@y...> wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is connected via a midi > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some limitations that you need > to be aware of though, like the fact that within the DTXpress you can > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for the pads connected via > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be the same in all of the > user kits. In other words, if you assign a cowbell sound for the pad > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be a cowbell sound in all > of the user xpress kits. This is not a limitation of the PM-16 per > se, but is one of the environment. This is one reason why some folks > prefer a second module instead of a pad to midi interface. > > There are others in the group that can provide more opinions on this > too - come on, speak up! > > Walt > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" <rbdaniel@b...> > wrote: > > Hello Walt > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I have? How many max? > > For What you say the whole thing is piggy-back back to the Yamaha > module right? I take it through the Midi interface, right? I know I > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I have seen a few PM- 16 > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, anything to get the > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > Thanks > > > > Daniel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Walt > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it as > being > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note number, > then > > sends that note number to another midi device to convert into > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing happens > > between the trigger and voice sections of the module. > > > > It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a second > module > > is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm-16 > for my > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > Walt > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" > <rbdaniel@b...> > > wrote: > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar with > it, > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads > installed. I > > am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads to > the > > kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am asking > > because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for > another > > drum module that I would love to put to good use at a sensitive > $$... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Daniel Rodriguez > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: underneathheaven > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with > > frustration > > > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and a > call > > > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, but > it > > > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory > reset > > will > > > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the > utility > > > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi > notes > > to > > > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit > number > > one > > > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi Channel > 10, > > > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is whatever > > number > > > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. > Martin > > > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long as > the > > > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter what > the > > > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set > as "not > > > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing quite > > early > > > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 > like I > > > did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected in > the > > > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about > selecting > > > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound you > > want. > > > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and > advance > > > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the PM- > 16 > > > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as well. > I > > wrote > > > this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think you > know > > > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with > these > > > instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll > respond > > in > > > more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number do > you > > have > > > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says 84...don't > > know > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working out > ok. > > > Maybe > > > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. Otherwise > I am > > > sure > > > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very > popular > > > > topic for months. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" > <artifax@i...> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I > have > > the > > > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. > Sounds > > > like > > > > a > > > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. I > had > > > > printed > > > > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no > luck. > > Did > > > > > anyone figure this out? > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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2003-04-03 by liberatusvirus
UNH, That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month or two ago. But doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, or banks, that you could change when you change kits on the DTX module? Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> wrote: > I used to worry about not being able to have a different sound on > every user defined kit until I discussed it with someone on here. > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion connected to the PM- > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like connected to the pm-16 > because I wanna use it all the time no matter what kit I'm dealing > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect to my module. If I > used a gong or cowbell for example I would connect those sounds to > the pm-16 because they don't change very often for me. Toms and > crap like that do so they are always connected to my module. Dont > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. Its worth it to have > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks after the gig! :) > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is connected via a midi > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some limitations that you > need > > to be aware of though, like the fact that within the DTXpress you > can > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for the pads connected > via > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be the same in all of the > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a cowbell sound for the > pad > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be a cowbell sound in > all > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a limitation of the PM-16 > per > > se, but is one of the environment. This is one reason why some > folks > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to midi interface. > > > > There are others in the group that can provide more opinions on > this > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > Walt > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" > <rbdaniel@b...> > > wrote: > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I have? How many max? > > > For What you say the whole thing is piggy-back back to the > Yamaha > > module right? I take it through the Midi interface, right? I know > I > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I have seen a few PM- > 16 > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, anything to get the > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Walt > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it as > > being > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note number, > > then > > > sends that note number to another midi device to convert into > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing > happens > > > between the trigger and voice sections of the module. > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a second > > module > > > is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm- 16 > > for my > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar > with > > it, > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads > > installed. I > > > am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads > to > > the > > > kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am asking > > > because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for > > another > > > drum module that I would love to put to good use at a > sensitive > > $$... > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Daniel Rodriguez > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: underneathheaven > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with > > > frustration > > > > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group and > a > > call > > > > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, > but > > it > > > > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory > > reset > > > will > > > > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in the > > utility > > > > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the midi > > notes > > > to > > > > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like kit > > number > > > one > > > > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi > Channel > > 10, > > > > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is > whatever > > > number > > > > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra input. > > Martin > > > > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as long > as > > the > > > > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter > what > > the > > > > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set > > as "not > > > > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing > quite > > > early > > > > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to 56 > > like I > > > > did. Once you have the correct midi note number selected > in > > the > > > > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about > > selecting > > > > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound > you > > > want. > > > > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress and > > advance > > > > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all the > PM- > > 16 > > > > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as > well. > > I > > > wrote > > > > this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think > you > > know > > > > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with > > these > > > > instructions. If you need more help let us know and I'll > > respond > > > in > > > > more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number > do > > you > > > have > > > > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says > 84...don't > > > know > > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working > out > > ok. > > > > Maybe > > > > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. > Otherwise > > I am > > > > sure > > > > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a very > > popular > > > > > topic for months. > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" > > <artifax@i...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16. I > > have > > > the > > > > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read about. > > Sounds > > > > like > > > > > a > > > > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH 10. > I > > had > > > > > printed > > > > > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. no
> > luck. > > > Did > > > > > > anyone figure this out? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service.
2003-04-03 by underneathheaven
I believe you can do stuff with different banks or patches or whatever they're called, but how would the PM-16 know which sound we're changing too? What if we could program different midi numbers into different banks? Each different midi number would contain a different sound according to the bank it was in. But I don't know how to go about that... --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > UNH, > > That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month or two ago. But > doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, or banks, that > you could change when you change kits on the DTX module? > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> > wrote: > > I used to worry about not being able to have a different sound on > > every user defined kit until I discussed it with someone on here. > > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion connected to the PM- > > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like connected to the pm- 16 > > because I wanna use it all the time no matter what kit I'm dealing > > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect to my module. If > I > > used a gong or cowbell for example I would connect those sounds to > > the pm-16 because they don't change very often for me. Toms and > > crap like that do so they are always connected to my module. Dont > > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. Its worth it to > have > > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks after the > gig! :) > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is connected via a midi > > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some limitations that you > > need > > > to be aware of though, like the fact that within the DTXpress > you > > can > > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for the pads connected > > via > > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be the same in all of > the > > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a cowbell sound for > the > > pad > > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be a cowbell sound in > > all > > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a limitation of the PM- 16 > > per > > > se, but is one of the environment. This is one reason why some > > folks > > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to midi interface. > > > > > > There are others in the group that can provide more opinions on > > this > > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I have? How many max? > > > > For What you say the whole thing is piggy-back back to the > > Yamaha > > > module right? I take it through the Midi interface, right? I > know > > I > > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I have seen a few > PM- > > 16 > > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, anything to get > the > > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Walt > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it > as > > > being > > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note > number, > > > then > > > > sends that note number to another midi device to convert > into > > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing > > happens > > > > between the trigger and voice sections of the module. > > > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a > second > > > module > > > > is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm- > 16 > > > for my > > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar > > with > > > it, > > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads > > > installed. I > > > > am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads > > to > > > the > > > > kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am > asking > > > > because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for > > > another > > > > drum module that I would love to put to good use at a > > sensitive > > > $$... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Daniel Rodriguez > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: underneathheaven > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM > > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with > > > > frustration > > > > > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group > and > > a > > > call > > > > > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, > > but > > > it > > > > > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory > > > reset > > > > will > > > > > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in > the > > > utility > > > > > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the > midi > > > notes > > > > to > > > > > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like > kit > > > number > > > > one > > > > > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi > > Channel > > > 10, > > > > > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is > > whatever > > > > number > > > > > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra > input. > > > Martin > > > > > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as > long > > as > > > the > > > > > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter > > what > > > the > > > > > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set > > > as "not > > > > > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing > > quite > > > > early > > > > > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to > 56 > > > like I > > > > > did. Once you have the correct midi note number > selected > > in > > > the > > > > > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about > > > selecting > > > > > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound > > you > > > > want. > > > > > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress > and > > > advance > > > > > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all > the > > PM- > > > 16 > > > > > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as > > well. > > > I > > > > wrote > > > > > this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think > > you > > > know > > > > > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with > > > these > > > > > instructions. If you need more help let us know and > I'll > > > respond > > > > in > > > > > more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number > > do > > > you > > > > have > > > > > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says > > 84...don't > > > > know > > > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working > > out > > > ok. > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. > > Otherwise > > > I am > > > > > sure > > > > > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a > very > > > popular > > > > > > topic for months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" > > > <artifax@i...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm- 16. > I > > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read > about. > > > Sounds > > > > > like > > > > > > a > > > > > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH > 10. > > I > > > had > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. > no > > > luck. > > > > Did > > > > > > > anyone figure this out? > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > > > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > > > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > > > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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2003-04-03 by Walt
You can program different banks on the PM-16, but sooner or later (I'd bet sooner)you are going to use up all the note numbers on the xpress.... --- underneathheaven <realvast@...> wrote: > I believe you can do stuff with different banks or > patches or > whatever they're called, but how would the PM-16 > know which sound > we're changing too? What if we could program > different midi numbers > into different banks? Each different midi number > would contain a > different sound according to the bank it was in. > But I don't know > how to go about that... > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > UNH, > > > > That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month > or two ago. But > > doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, > or banks, that > > you could change when you change kits on the DTX > module? > > > > Ed > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, > "underneathheaven" > <realvast@s...> > > wrote: > > > I used to worry about not being able to have a > different sound > on > > > every user defined kit until I discussed it with > someone on > here. > > > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion > connected to the > PM- > > > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like > connected to the pm- > 16 > > > because I wanna use it all the time no matter > what kit I'm > dealing > > > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect > to my module. > If > > I > > > used a gong or cowbell for example I would > connect those sounds > to > > > the pm-16 because they don't change very often > for me. Toms and > > > crap like that do so they are always connected > to my module. > Dont > > > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. > Its worth it to > > have > > > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks > after the > > gig! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" > <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is > connected via a > midi > > > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some > limitations that > you > > > need > > > > to be aware of though, like the fact that > within the DTXpress > > you > > > can > > > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for > the pads > connected > > > via > > > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be > the same in all of > > the > > > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a > cowbell sound for > > the > > > pad > > > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be > a cowbell sound > in > > > all > > > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a > limitation of the PM- > 16 > > > per > > > > se, but is one of the environment. This is > one reason why > some > > > folks > > > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to > midi interface. > > > > > > > > There are others in the group that can provide > more opinions > on > > > this > > > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > Rodriguez" > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I > have? How many max? > > > > > For What you say the whole thing is > piggy-back back to the > > > Yamaha > > > > module right? I take it through the Midi > interface, right? I > > know > > > I > > > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I > have seen a few > > PM- > > > 16 > > > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, > anything to get > > the > > > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Walt > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface > device. Think of > it > > as > > > > being > > > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to > a midi note > > number, > > > > then > > > > > sends that note number to another midi > device to convert > > into > > > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very > similar thing > > > happens > > > > > between the trigger and voice sections of > the module. > > > > > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available > inputs, adding a > > second > > > > module > > > > > is another way. Both have their pros and > cons - I had a > pm- > > 16 > > > > for my > > > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > Rodriguez" > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. > I am not > familiar > > > with > > > > it, > > > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to > get more pads > > > > installed. I > > > > > am correct to think that I could add, > say.. === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com
2003-04-03 by Daniel Rodriguez
----- Original Message -----From: liberatusvirusSent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:23 PMSubject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16UNH,
That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month or two ago. But
doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, or banks, that
you could change when you change kits on the DTX module?
Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...>
wrote:
> I used to worry about not being able to have a different sound on
> every user defined kit until I discussed it with someone on here.
> What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion connected to the PM-
> 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like connected to the pm-16
> because I wanna use it all the time no matter what kit I'm dealing
> with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect to my module. If
I
> used a gong or cowbell for example I would connect those sounds to
>; the pm-16 because they don't change very often for me. Toms and
> crap like that do so they are always connected to my module. Dont
> let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. Its worth it to
have
> 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks after the
gig! :)
>
>
>
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" wrote:
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is connected via a midi
> > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some limitations that you
> need
> > to be aware of though, like the fact that within the DTXpress
you
> can
> > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for the pads connected
> via
> > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be the same in all of
the
> > user kits. In other words, if you assign a cowbell sound for
the
> pad
> > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be a cowbell sound in
> all
> > of the user xpress kits. This is not a limitation of the PM-16
> per
> > se, but is one of the environment. This is one reason why some
> folks
> > prefer a second module instead of a pad to midi interface.
> >
> > There are others in the group that can provide more opinions on
> this
> > too - come on, speak up!
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez"
>
> > wrote:
> > > Hello Walt
>; > >
> > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I have? How many max?
> > > For What you say the whole thing is piggy-back back to the
> Yamaha
> > module right? I take it through the Midi interface, right? I
know
> I
> > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I have seen a few
PM-
> 16
> > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, anything to get
the
> > brain cells I got left to fire up..
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Walt
> > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM
> > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Daniel,
> > >
> > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it
as
> > being
> > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note
number,
> > then
> > > sends that note number to another midi device to convert
into
> > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing
> happens
> > > between the trigger and voice sections of the module.
> > >
>; > > It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a
second
> > module
> > > is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm-
16
> > for my
> > > kit but now use 2 modules instead.
> > >
> > > Walt
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez"
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello Everyone
> > > >
> > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar
> with
> > it,
> > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads
> > installed. I
> > > am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads
> to
> > the
> > > kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am
asking
> > > because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for
> > another
> > > drum module that I would love to put to good use at a
> sensitive
> > $$...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Rodriguez
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: underneathheaven
> > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > > ; Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM
> > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with
> > > frustration
> >; > > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group
and
> a
> > call
> > > > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple,
> but
> > it
> > > > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory
> > reset
> > > will
> > > > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in
the
> > utility
> > > > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the
midi
> > notes
> > > to
> > > > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like
kit
> > number
> > > one
> > > > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi
> Channel
> > 10,
> > > > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is
> whatever
> > > number
> > > > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra
input.
> > Martin
> > > > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as
long
> as
> > the
> > > > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter
> what
> > the
> > > > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set
>; > as "not
> > > > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing
> quite
> > > early
> > > > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to
56
> > like I
> > > > did. Once you have the correct midi note number
selected
> in
> > the
> > > > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about
> > selecting
> > > > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound
> you
> > > want.
> > > > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress
and
> > advance
> > > > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all
the
> PM-
> > 16
> > > > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as
> well.
> > I
> > > wrote
> > > >; this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think
> you
> > know
> > > > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with
> > these
> > > > instructions. If you need more help let us know and
I'll
> > respond
> > > in
> > > >; more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number
> do
> > you
> > > have
> > > > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says
> 84...don't
> > > know
> > > > why.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Scott,
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working
> out
> > ok.
> > > > ; Maybe
> > > > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings.
> Otherwise
> > I am
> > > > sure
> > > > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a
very
> > popular
> > > > > topic for months.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger"
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > ; > > > Hi guys
> > > > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm-16.
I
> > have
> > > the
> > > > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read
about.
> > Sounds
> > > > like
> > > > > a
> > > > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH
10.
> I
> > had
> > > > > printed
> > > > > >; all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything.
no
> > luck.
> > > Did
> > > > > > anyone figure this out?
> > > > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
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2003-04-03 by underneathheaven
Dan, you could still have your "kizz" kit, but any pads connected to the pm-16 will have the same sound weather you use the "kizz" kit or the "chick magnet" kit. If you have three different pads connected to the pm-16 and all three are different pitches of cowbells, then they're gonna be cowbells no matter what user defined kit you choose. --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" <rbdaniel@b...> wrote: > Hello > > Hmm! Interesting!! > Well Originally I had considered buying 3 cymbals (real ones) and used the extra ports to add 3 more toms.. > Since I have 6 pads sitting around this would allow me to add a lot of sounds.. > The idea of having 16 more inputs to set-up sound is great; I would not care if they can be changed later or not, as long as I can assign a sound to it. > For what I just gathered:I would have to keep the original kits (sets) in the Yamaha module? > What about the ones that I have changed. > Say I had saved setting "KIZZ" where I have some pads assign a "rock" sound and no cowbell, Can I still use this kit? > > Thanks Guys > > This is more interesting that I would have thought.... > Chicks magnet!! VERY COOL > Daniel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: liberatusvirus > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:23 PM > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > UNH, > > That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month or two ago. But > doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, or banks, that > you could change when you change kits on the DTX module? > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> > wrote: > > I used to worry about not being able to have a different sound on > > every user defined kit until I discussed it with someone on here. > > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion connected to the PM- > > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like connected to the pm-16 > > because I wanna use it all the time no matter what kit I'm dealing > > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect to my module. If > I > > used a gong or cowbell for example I would connect those sounds to > > the pm-16 because they don't change very often for me. Toms and > > crap like that do so they are always connected to my module. Dont > > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. Its worth it to > have > > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks after the > gig! :) > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is connected via a midi > > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some limitations that you > > need > > > to be aware of though, like the fact that within the DTXpress > you > > can > > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for the pads connected > > via > > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be the same in all of > the > > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a cowbell sound for > the > > pad > > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be a cowbell sound in > > all > > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a limitation of the PM- 16 > > per > > > se, but is one of the environment. This is one reason why some > > folks > > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to midi interface. > > > > > > There are others in the group that can provide more opinions on > > this > > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I have? How many max? > > > > For What you say the whole thing is piggy-back back to the > > Yamaha > > > module right? I take it through the Midi interface, right? I > know > > I > > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I have seen a few > PM- > > 16 > > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, anything to get > the > > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Walt > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface device. Think of it > as > > > being > > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to a midi note > number, > > > then > > > > sends that note number to another midi device to convert > into > > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very similar thing > > happens > > > > between the trigger and voice sections of the module. > > > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available inputs, adding a > second > > > module > > > > is another way. Both have their pros and cons - I had a pm- > 16 > > > for my > > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Rodriguez" > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. I am not familiar > > with > > > it, > > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to get more pads > > > installed. I > > > > am correct to think that I could add, say.. 6 or 8 more pads > > to > > > the > > > > kit? Is the PM-16 a drum pad like the ddpad DD-55? I am > asking > > > > because I have like 6 more pads sitting around waiting for > > > another > > > > drum module that I would love to put to good use at a > > sensitive > > > $$... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Daniel Rodriguez > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: underneathheaven > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:15 PM > > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Scott, got yourself a PM-16 eh? Me too! Along with > > > > frustration > > > > > but that was cured with the help of this fierce group > and > > a > > > call > > > > > with Martin from Yamaha. To fix the problem is simple, > > but > > > it > > > > > requires a factory reset of your dtxpress. This factory > > > reset > > > > will > > > > > set all the midi stuff the way it needs to be set (in > the > > > utility > > > > > mode) and then while in utility mode you can set the > midi > > > notes > > > > to > > > > > whatever you want, while using a predefined kit, like > kit > > > number > > > > one > > > > > for example. Now in the PM-16 you need to be in Midi > > Channel > > > 10, > > > > > and Midi Prog. #1 ch. 10. The midi note number is > > whatever > > > > number > > > > > you selected in the dtxpress to use as your extra > input. > > > Martin > > > > > suggested starting at 56 or somewhere around there as > long > > as > > > the > > > > > midi note number already as a sound set to it, no matter > > what > > > the > > > > > sound is. You cannot use a midi note number that is set > > > as "not > > > > > assigned." These type of midi numbers start appearing > > quite > > > > early > > > > > in the dtxpress so you don't have to go all the way to > 56 > > > like I > > > > > did. Once you have the correct midi note number > selected > > in > > > the > > > > > dtxpress and also set in the pm-16, you can go about > > > selecting > > > > > volume and pan and decay or whatever for whatever sound > > you > > > > want. > > > > > (All this is done in the utility mode of the dtxpress > and > > > advance > > > > > mode of the PM-16.) If we need to we can compare all > the > > PM- > > > 16 > > > > > settings. I actually did a factory reset on PM-16 as > > well. > > > I > > > > wrote > > > > > this in a hurry and not in great detail because I think > > you > > > know > > > > > what your doing and can figure it out fairly easily with > > > these > > > > > instructions. If you need more help let us know and > I'll > > > respond > > > > in > > > > > more detail but right now I gotta go. Also, what number > > do > > > you > > > > have > > > > > lighted up in green on your LCD screen? Mine says > > 84...don't > > > > know > > > > > why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know, Underneathheaven's PM-16 is working > > out > > > ok. > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > you could drop him a line and copy his settings. > > Otherwise > > > I am > > > > > sure > > > > > > that a fix exists; the dreaded piano sounds were a > very > > > popular > > > > > > topic for months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" > > > <artifax@i...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi guys > > > > > > > I have finally gotten around to hooking up my pm- 16. > I > > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > original DTXpress. I get the same thing I read > about. > > > Sounds > > > > > like > > > > > > a > > > > > > > piano note on all channels. No sound at all on CH > 10. > > I > > > had > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > all the posts re: this issue, and tried everything. > no > > > luck. > > > > Did > > > > > > > anyone figure this out? > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > > > > Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com > > > > > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com > > > > > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > List owner: DTXpress-owner@onelist.com > > > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > > of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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2003-04-03 by hairytrigger
Since finally getting my PM-16 to work (my fault, MIDIOT, don't you know) I have sucessfully set up several different patches, with different sounds. The different sounds all need unique note numbers. BUT I'm only adding four pads, and some sounds are the same on the various patches, so... so far there are plenty of un-used note numbers. Now, conceivably, since the DTX transmits, and the PM-16 receives program change info, I should be able to, with a second midi cable, be able to switch the PM-16 patch when I change the DTX patch. I'll let you know! Scott --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> You can program different banks on the PM-16, but > sooner or later (I'd bet sooner)you are going to use > up all the note numbers on the xpress.... > --- underneathheaven <realvast@s...> wrote: > > I believe you can do stuff with different banks or > > patches or > > whatever they're called, but how would the PM-16 > > know which sound > > we're changing too? What if we could program > > different midi numbers > > into different banks? Each different midi number > > would contain a > > different sound according to the bank it was in. > > But I don't know > > how to go about that... > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > UNH, > > > > > > That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month > > or two ago. But > > > doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, > > or banks, that > > > you could change when you change kits on the DTX > > module? > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, > > "underneathheaven" > > <realvast@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > I used to worry about not being able to have a > > different sound > > on > > > > every user defined kit until I discussed it with > > someone on > > here. > > > > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion > > connected to the > > PM- > > > > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like > > connected to the pm- > > 16 > > > > because I wanna use it all the time no matter > > what kit I'm > > dealing > > > > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect > > to my module. > > If > > > I > > > > used a gong or cowbell for example I would > > connect those sounds > > to > > > > the pm-16 because they don't change very often > > for me. Toms and > > > > crap like that do so they are always connected > > to my module. > > Dont > > > > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. > > Its worth it to > > > have > > > > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks > > after the > > > gig! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" > > <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is > > connected via a > > midi > > > > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some > > limitations that > > you > > > > need > > > > > to be aware of though, like the fact that > > within the DTXpress > > > you > > > > can > > > > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for > > the pads > > connected > > > > via > > > > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be > > the same in all of > > > the > > > > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a > > cowbell sound for > > > the > > > > pad > > > > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be > > a cowbell sound > > in > > > > all > > > > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a > > limitation of the PM- > > 16 > > > > per > > > > > se, but is one of the environment. This is > > one reason why > > some > > > > folks > > > > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to > > midi interface. > > > > > > > > > > There are others in the group that can provide > > more opinions > > on > > > > this > > > > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > Rodriguez" > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I > > have? How many max? > > > > > > For What you say the whole thing is > > piggy-back back to the > > > > Yamaha > > > > > module right? I take it through the Midi > > interface, right? I > > > know > > > > I > > > > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I > > have seen a few > > > PM- > > > > 16 > > > > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, > > anything to get > > > the > > > > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Walt > > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface > > device. Think of > > it > > > as > > > > > being > > > > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to > > a midi note > > > number, > > > > > then > > > > > > sends that note number to another midi > > device to convert > > > into > > > > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very > > similar thing > > > > happens > > > > > > between the trigger and voice sections of > > the module. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available > > inputs, adding a > > > second > > > > > module > > > > > > is another way. Both have their pros and > > cons - I had a > > pm- > > > 16 > > > > > for my > > > > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > Rodriguez" > > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. > > I am not > > familiar > > > > with > > > > > it, > > > > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to > > get more pads > > > > > installed. I > > > > > > am correct to think that I could add, > > say.. > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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2003-04-03 by liberatusvirus
Walt, Scott, UNH, Does the PM-16 have a MIDI in? I thought that it didn't. Ed --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote: > Since finally getting my PM-16 to work (my fault, MIDIOT, don't you > know) I have sucessfully set up several different patches, with > different sounds. The different sounds all need unique note numbers. > BUT I'm only adding four pads, and some sounds are the same on the > various patches, so... so far there are plenty of un-used note > numbers. > Now, conceivably, since the DTX transmits, and the PM-16 receives > program change info, I should be able to, with a second midi cable, be
> able to switch the PM-16 patch when I change the DTX patch. > I'll let you know! > Scott > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > You can program different banks on the PM-16, but > > sooner or later (I'd bet sooner)you are going to use > > up all the note numbers on the xpress.... > > --- underneathheaven <realvast@s...> wrote: > > > I believe you can do stuff with different banks or > > > patches or > > > whatever they're called, but how would the PM-16 > > > know which sound > > > we're changing too? What if we could program > > > different midi numbers > > > into different banks? Each different midi number > > > would contain a > > > different sound according to the bank it was in. > > > But I don't know > > > how to go about that... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > UNH, > > > > > > > > That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month > > > or two ago. But > > > > doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, > > > or banks, that > > > > you could change when you change kits on the DTX > > > module? > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, > > > "underneathheaven" > > > <realvast@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > I used to worry about not being able to have a > > > different sound > > > on > > > > > every user defined kit until I discussed it with > > > someone on > > > here. > > > > > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion > > > connected to the > > > PM- > > > > > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like > > > connected to the pm- > > > 16 > > > > > because I wanna use it all the time no matter > > > what kit I'm > > > dealing > > > > > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect > > > to my module. > > > If > > > > I > > > > > used a gong or cowbell for example I would > > > connect those sounds > > > to > > > > > the pm-16 because they don't change very often > > > for me. Toms and > > > > > crap like that do so they are always connected > > > to my module. > > > Dont > > > > > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. > > > Its worth it to > > > > have > > > > > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks > > > after the > > > > gig! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" > > > <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is > > > connected via a > > > midi > > > > > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some > > > limitations that > > > you > > > > > need > > > > > > to be aware of though, like the fact that > > > within the DTXpress > > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for > > > the pads > > > connected > > > > > via > > > > > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be > > > the same in all of > > > > the > > > > > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a > > > cowbell sound for > > > > the > > > > > pad > > > > > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be > > > a cowbell sound > > > in > > > > > all > > > > > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a > > > limitation of the PM- > > > 16 > > > > > per > > > > > > se, but is one of the environment. This is > > > one reason why > > > some > > > > > folks > > > > > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to > > > midi interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are others in the group that can provide > > > more opinions > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > > Rodriguez" > > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I > > > have? How many max? > > > > > > > For What you say the whole thing is > > > piggy-back back to the > > > > > Yamaha > > > > > > module right? I take it through the Midi > > > interface, right? I > > > > know > > > > > I > > > > > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I > > > have seen a few > > > > PM- > > > > > 16 > > > > > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, > > > anything to get > > > > the > > > > > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Walt > > > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface > > > device. Think of > > > it > > > > as > > > > > > being > > > > > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to > > > a midi note > > > > number, > > > > > > then > > > > > > > sends that note number to another midi > > > device to convert > > > > into > > > > > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very > > > similar thing > > > > > happens > > > > > > > between the trigger and voice sections of > > > the module. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available > > > inputs, adding a > > > > second > > > > > > module > > > > > > > is another way. Both have their pros and > > > cons - I had a > > > pm- > > > > 16 > > > > > > for my > > > > > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > > Rodriguez" > > > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. > > > I am not > > > familiar > > > > > with > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to > > > get more pads > > > > > > installed. I > > > > > > > am correct to think that I could add, > > > say.. > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > http://tax.yahoo.com
2003-04-03 by hairytrigger
Yes it does, and it works...See my last post. By the way, UNH could you send me the settings for the 'Chick Magnet kit' Scott --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > Walt, Scott, UNH, > > Does the PM-16 have a MIDI in? I thought that it didn't. > > Ed > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> > Since finally getting my PM-16 to work (my fault, MIDIOT, don't > you > > know) I have sucessfully set up several different patches, with > > different sounds. The different sounds all need unique note > numbers. > > BUT I'm only adding four pads, and some sounds are the same on the > > various patches, so... so far there are plenty of un-used note > > numbers. > > Now, conceivably, since the DTX transmits, and the PM-16 receives > > program change info, I should be able to, with a second midi > cable, be > > able to switch the PM-16 patch when I change the DTX patch. > > I'll let you know! > > Scott > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > You can program different banks on the PM-16, but > > > sooner or later (I'd bet sooner)you are going to use > > > up all the note numbers on the xpress.... > > > --- underneathheaven <realvast@s...> wrote: > > > > I believe you can do stuff with different banks or > > > > patches or > > > > whatever they're called, but how would the PM-16 > > > > know which sound > > > > we're changing too? What if we could program > > > > different midi numbers > > > > into different banks? Each different midi number > > > > would contain a > > > > different sound according to the bank it was in. > > > > But I don't know > > > > how to go about that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > UNH, > > > > > > > > > > That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month > > > > or two ago. But > > > > > doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, > > > > or banks, that > > > > > you could change when you change kits on the DTX > > > > module? > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, > > > > "underneathheaven" > > > > <realvast@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I used to worry about not being able to have a > > > > different sound > > > > on > > > > > > every user defined kit until I discussed it with > > > > someone on > > > > here. > > > > > > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion > > > > connected to the > > > > PM- > > > > > > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like > > > > connected to the pm- > > > > 16 > > > > > > because I wanna use it all the time no matter > > > > what kit I'm > > > > dealing > > > > > > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect > > > > to my module. > > > > If > > > > > I > > > > > > used a gong or cowbell for example I would > > > > connect those sounds > > > > to > > > > > > the pm-16 because they don't change very often > > > > for me. Toms and > > > > > > crap like that do so they are always connected > > > > to my module. > > > > Dont > > > > > > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. > > > > Its worth it to > > > > > have > > > > > > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks > > > > after the > > > > > gig! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" > > > > <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is > > > > connected via a > > > > midi > > > > > > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some > > > > limitations that > > > > you > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to be aware of though, like the fact that > > > > within the DTXpress > > > > > you > > > > > > can > > > > > > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for > > > > the pads > > > > connected > > > > > > via > > > > > > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be > > > > the same in all of > > > > > the > > > > > > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a > > > > cowbell sound for > > > > > the > > > > > > pad > > > > > > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be > > > > a cowbell sound > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a > > > > limitation of the PM- > > > > 16 > > > > > > per > > > > > > > se, but is one of the environment. This is > > > > one reason why > > > > some > > > > > > folks > > > > > > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to > > > > midi interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are others in the group that can provide > > > > more opinions > > > > on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > > > Rodriguez" > > > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I > > > > have? How many max? > > > > > > > > For What you say the whole thing is > > > > piggy-back back to the > > > > > > Yamaha > > > > > > > module right? I take it through the Midi > > > > interface, right? I > > > > > know > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I > > > > have seen a few > > > > > PM- > > > > > > 16 > > > > > > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, > > > > anything to get > > > > > the > > > > > > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Walt > > > > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface > > > > device. Think of > > > > it > > > > > as > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to > > > > a midi note > > > > > number, > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > sends that note number to another midi > > > > device to convert > > > > > into > > > > > > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very > > > > similar thing > > > > > > happens > > > > > > > > between the trigger and voice sections of > > > > the module. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available > > > > inputs, adding a > > > > > second > > > > > > > module > > > > > > > > is another way. Both have their pros and > > > > cons - I had a > > > > pm- > > > > > 16 > > > > > > > for my > > > > > > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > > > Rodriguez" > > > > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. > > > > I am not > > > > familiar > > > > > > with > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to > > > > get more pads > > > > > > > installed. I > > > > > > > > am correct to think that I could add, > > > > say.. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > > http://tax.yahoo.com
2003-04-03 by underneathheaven
Thats awesome! I'll have to play with that! You gotta be careful with the "chick magnet" kit though. I gave the settings to my friend and he already caught an STD! - UN.H --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote: > Yes it does, and it works...See my last post. > > By the way, UNH could you send me the settings for the 'Chick Magnet > kit' > Scott > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > Walt, Scott, UNH, > > > > Does the PM-16 have a MIDI in? I thought that it didn't. > > > > Ed > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> > wrote: > > > Since finally getting my PM-16 to work (my fault, MIDIOT, don't > > you > > > know) I have sucessfully set up several different patches, with > > > different sounds. The different sounds all need unique note > > numbers. > > > BUT I'm only adding four pads, and some sounds are the same on the > > > various patches, so... so far there are plenty of un-used note > > > numbers. > > > Now, conceivably, since the DTX transmits, and the PM-16 receives
> > > program change info, I should be able to, with a second midi > > cable, be > > > able to switch the PM-16 patch when I change the DTX patch. > > > I'll let you know! > > > Scott > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Walt <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > > You can program different banks on the PM-16, but > > > > sooner or later (I'd bet sooner)you are going to use > > > > up all the note numbers on the xpress.... > > > > --- underneathheaven <realvast@s...> wrote: > > > > > I believe you can do stuff with different banks or > > > > > patches or > > > > > whatever they're called, but how would the PM-16 > > > > > know which sound > > > > > we're changing too? What if we could program > > > > > different midi numbers > > > > > into different banks? Each different midi number > > > > > would contain a > > > > > different sound according to the bank it was in. > > > > > But I don't know > > > > > how to go about that... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" > > > > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > UNH, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's how I do it, too. We talked about a month > > > > > or two ago. But > > > > > > doesn't the PM-16 allow you program multiple kits, > > > > > or banks, that > > > > > > you could change when you change kits on the DTX > > > > > module? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, > > > > > "underneathheaven" > > > > > <realvast@s...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I used to worry about not being able to have a > > > > > different sound > > > > > on > > > > > > > every user defined kit until I discussed it with > > > > > someone on > > > > > here. > > > > > > > What I do now is keep all my "aux" percussion > > > > > connected to the > > > > > PM- > > > > > > > 16. I mean if I have a crash I really like > > > > > connected to the pm- > > > > > 16 > > > > > > > because I wanna use it all the time no matter > > > > > what kit I'm > > > > > dealing > > > > > > > with. Stuff that changes all the time I connect > > > > > to my module. > > > > > If > > > > > > I > > > > > > > used a gong or cowbell for example I would > > > > > connect those sounds > > > > > to > > > > > > > the pm-16 because they don't change very often > > > > > for me. Toms and > > > > > > > crap like that do so they are always connected > > > > > to my module. > > > > > Dont > > > > > > > let this minor flaw stop you from buying one. > > > > > Its worth it to > > > > > > have > > > > > > > 16 more pads, a monster set, and all the chicks > > > > > after the > > > > > > gig! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" > > > > > <wgardus@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has 16 inputs, and you are right - it is > > > > > connected via a > > > > > midi > > > > > > > > cable to the Yamaha module. There are some > > > > > limitations that > > > > > you > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to be aware of though, like the fact that > > > > > within the DTXpress > > > > > > you > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > not assign sounds in user kit definitions for > > > > > the pads > > > > > connected > > > > > > > via > > > > > > > > a PM-16 - the sounds for those pads will be > > > > > the same in all of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > user kits. In other words, if you assign a > > > > > cowbell sound for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > pad > > > > > > > > connected to input 1 on the PM-16, it will be > > > > > a cowbell sound > > > > > in > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > of the user xpress kits. This is not a > > > > > limitation of the PM- > > > > > 16 > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > se, but is one of the environment. This is > > > > > one reason why > > > > > some > > > > > > > folks > > > > > > > > prefer a second module instead of a pad to > > > > > midi interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are others in the group that can provide > > > > > more opinions > > > > > on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > too - come on, speak up! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > > > > Rodriguez" > > > > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would I be able to use the extra pads I > > > > > have? How many max? > > > > > > > > > For What you say the whole thing is > > > > > piggy-back back to the > > > > > > > Yamaha > > > > > > > > module right? I take it through the Midi > > > > > interface, right? I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am a bundle of questions.. The thing is that I > > > > > have seen a few > > > > > > PM- > > > > > > > 16 > > > > > > > > for sale in Ebay and got me thinking.. :) Hey, > > > > > anything to get > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > brain cells I got left to fire up.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: Walt > > > > > > > > > To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:39 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [DTXpress] Re: pm-16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A PM-16 is a triggee to midi interface > > > > > device. Think of > > > > > it > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > 1/2 of a module - it converts pad hits to > > > > > a midi note > > > > > > number, > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > sends that note number to another midi > > > > > device to convert > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > sounds. Inside the Yamaha modules a very > > > > > similar thing > > > > > > > happens > > > > > > > > > between the trigger and voice sections of > > > > > the module. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is one way to expand the available > > > > > inputs, adding a > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > module > > > > > > > > > is another way. Both have their pros and > > > > > cons - I had a > > > > > pm- > > > > > > 16 > > > > > > > > for my > > > > > > > > > kit but now use 2 modules instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel > > > > > Rodriguez" > > > > > > > > <rbdaniel@b...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was reading your emails on the PM-16. > > > > > I am not > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > but for what I gather is a cheaper way to > > > > > get more pads > > > > > > > > installed. I > > > > > > > > > am correct to think that I could add, > > > > > say.. > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > > > > http://tax.yahoo.com