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Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Jerry Olson

Jerry Olson wrote:
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> 
> I'm seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson.  I filled
> in my rebate coupon, enclosed the receipt, with the date plainly on the
> front, and the company name was at the top (Inkjet Goodies). Also the
> UPC code from the box was there, the receipt was stapled to it.
> 
> I just got the whole thing back and they said I hadn't included a
> receipt with the date of purchase.  (I of course had).
> 
> Now I'm wondering if I can get the whole thing back to them before the
> rebate period runs out.  I think this is just a scam they use to try and
> get out of paying the rebate.  This is the second time that epson has
> pulled this on me.
> 
> This time, I'll write a letter, circle the date, and insure-register the
> package so someone will have to sign for it.
> 
> Jerry
>

RE: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Lloyd O'Daniel

Jerry,

I'm wiping the tears away from my eyes from laughing at your post.
Surely, it was tongue-in-cheek. Epson is a company that has rigged their
printers with every technology short of an explosive device to blackmail
customers into buying their outrageously priced inks in thimble-sized
carts. Chips in carts to make life difficult and expensive for
aftermarket ink providers, chips that read empty and shut down the
printer when half full...the list goes on and on. And you are just now
"seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson"?! That has to
be the most pricelessly funny line I've read all year!

Lloyd



-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] 
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:26 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?




Jerry Olson wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> I'm seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson.  I filled

> in my rebate coupon, enclosed the receipt, with the date plainly on 
> the front, and the company name was at the top (Inkjet Goodies). Also 
> the UPC code from the box was there, the receipt was stapled to it.
> 
> I just got the whole thing back and they said I hadn't included a 
> receipt with the date of purchase.  (I of course had).
> 
> Now I'm wondering if I can get the whole thing back to them before the

> rebate period runs out.  I think this is just a scam they use to try 
> and get out of paying the rebate.  This is the second time that epson 
> has pulled this on me.
> 
> This time, I'll write a letter, circle the date, and insure-register 
> the package so someone will have to sign for it.
> 
> Jerry
>

RE: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Austin Franklin

Lloyd,

Have there been any lawsuits that you know of regarding the issues you
raise?  Specifically the "chips that read empty and shut down the printer
when half full"...  To me, that is an easily actionable item.  My 1270 is
currently out of black ink...and if I find that there is "a usable amount"
of ink left, I will certainly not be happy.

Regards,

Austin
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>
> Jerry,
>
> I'm wiping the tears away from my eyes from laughing at your post.
> Surely, it was tongue-in-cheek. Epson is a company that has rigged their
> printers with every technology short of an explosive device to blackmail
> customers into buying their outrageously priced inks in thimble-sized
> carts. Chips in carts to make life difficult and expensive for
> aftermarket ink providers, chips that read empty and shut down the
> printer when half full...the list goes on and on. And you are just now
> "seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson"?! That has to
> be the most pricelessly funny line I've read all year!
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:26 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?
>
>
>
>
> Jerry Olson wrote:
> >
> > I'm seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson.  I filled
>
> > in my rebate coupon, enclosed the receipt, with the date plainly on
> > the front, and the company name was at the top (Inkjet Goodies). Also
> > the UPC code from the box was there, the receipt was stapled to it.
> >
> > I just got the whole thing back and they said I hadn't included a
> > receipt with the date of purchase.  (I of course had).
> >
> > Now I'm wondering if I can get the whole thing back to them before the
>
> > rebate period runs out.  I think this is just a scam they use to try
> > and get out of paying the rebate.  This is the second time that epson
> > has pulled this on me.
> >
> > This time, I'll write a letter, circle the date, and insure-register
> > the package so someone will have to sign for it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

Austin Franklin wrote:

>Lloyd,
>
>Have there been any lawsuits that you know of regarding the issues you
>raise?  
>
EPSON gave refunds on consumables (even used) and printers on the 1270 
and siblings in  part  to avoid a very likely class action suit.. 
against both EPSON and the PPA (who endorsed the 1270 and 870 for 
professional use)

In the US, a consumer sued when EPSON denied warranty service b/c they 
used 3rd party inks.. EPSON lost...

The EU Parliament has this year passed and codified regulations 
prohibiting the sale of printers engineered to prevent/prohibit the 
reuse/recycling of cartridges and consumables (that one was aimed 
directly at EPSON, Canon, HP, and Lexmark)

It's a start..
Keith

 

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Re: Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Bob_Michaels <Bob@BobMichaels.org>

Strange. My $100 rebate for my new 1280 arrived in about 20 days. And,
it came in an envelope that looked like a check and had Epson for a
return address. My luck with rebates is usually dismal but not this
time. Since I throw away so much junk mail without opening it, I've
probably thrown away other rebates without knowing. 

I have have to agree with the other posts about Epson's efforts to
force us to buy their carts. That has an upside however. 99% of the
people buy Epson carts and thus subsidize us getting cheap printers
while using 3rd party inks. I can live with that. 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Jerry Olson wrote:
> > 
> > I'm seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson.  I filled
> > in my rebate coupon, enclosed the receipt, with the date plainly
on the
> > front, and the company name was at the top (Inkjet Goodies). Also the
> > UPC code from the box was there, the receipt was stapled to it.
> > 
> > I just got the whole thing back and they said I hadn't included a
> > receipt with the date of purchase.  (I of course had).
> > 
> > Now I'm wondering if I can get the whole thing back to them before the
> > rebate period runs out.  I think this is just a scam they use to
try and
> > get out of paying the rebate.  This is the second time that epson has
> > pulled this on me.
> > 
> > This time, I'll write a letter, circle the date, and
insure-register the
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> > package so someone will have to sign for it.
> > 
> > Jerry
> >

RE: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Paul Roark

>Have there been any lawsuits that you know of regarding ...
>Specifically the "chips that read empty and shut down the printer
>when half full"...  To me, that is an easily actionable item.  ...

I suspect most on this list, especially those who practiced in the area,
would hate to see a law and economics debate here.  So, this will be my one
and only post on the subject.

I practiced antitrust law for a long time for the FTC.  The Epson strategy
is close to what many in that field would call a "tying" arrangement.
"Tying" the sale of one "product" (perhaps ink) to the purchase of another
(for example, printer) was prohibited rather strictly at one time.  However,
by the 1970s the wisdom of strictly enforcing this ban on tying had been
called into question.  By the 1990s, the U.S. Federal A.T. laws had
essentially been interpreted to throw that entire class of practices into
the general "rule of reason" category of Sherman 1.

"Rule of Reason" suits are so expensive to enforce that few private
plaintiffs bother.  I can find an "efficiency" rationale for virtually any
practice I'm paid to represent.

Some of the states and European countries still give at least lip service to
strictly prohibiting "tying," but don't hold your breath in the U.S.  "The
market will take care of it."  ("Thank you" cards can be directed to the
Chicago School of Economics.)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2127877,00.html

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RE: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Austin Franklin

> >Have there been any lawsuits that you know of regarding ...
> >Specifically the "chips that read empty and shut down the printer
> >when half full"...  To me, that is an easily actionable item.  ...
>
> I practiced antitrust law for a long time for the FTC.  The Epson strategy
> is close to what many in that field would call a "tying" arrangement.
> "Tying" the sale of one "product" (perhaps ink) to the purchase of another
> (for example, printer) was prohibited rather strictly at one
> time.  However,
> by the 1970s the wisdom of strictly enforcing this ban on tying had been
> called into question.  By the 1990s, the U.S. Federal A.T. laws had
> essentially been interpreted to throw that entire class of practices into
> the general "rule of reason" category of Sherman 1.

Hi Paul,

My issue what NOT one of "tying", but of there still being some "reasonably
usable" level of ink left in the cartridge, but the printer will not let you
use that.  To me, that is fraudulent.  To sell a, say, 1oz ink cartridge
that you can only use .6oz ink out of BY DESIGN.  That infuriates me.

Regards,

Austin

Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-21 by Jerry Olson

I tried to be funny, but droll at the same time.  But I'm calling them
Monday. I'm just a tad pissed off.

(While although unpleasant, isn't as bad as being pissed on.

Jerry




Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:
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> 
> Jerry,
> 
> I'm wiping the tears away from my eyes from laughing at your post.
> Surely, it was tongue-in-cheek. Epson is a company that has rigged their
> printers with every technology short of an explosive device to blackmail
> customers into buying their outrageously priced inks in thimble-sized
> carts. Chips in carts to make life difficult and expensive for
> aftermarket ink providers, chips that read empty and shut down the
> printer when half full...the list goes on and on. And you are just now
> "seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson"?! That has to
> be the most pricelessly funny line I've read all year!
> 
> Lloyd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:26 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?
> 
> Jerry Olson wrote:
> >
> > I'm seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson.  I filled
> 
> > in my rebate coupon, enclosed the receipt, with the date plainly on
> > the front, and the company name was at the top (Inkjet Goodies). Also
> > the UPC code from the box was there, the receipt was stapled to it.
> >
> > I just got the whole thing back and they said I hadn't included a
> > receipt with the date of purchase.  (I of course had).
> >
> > Now I'm wondering if I can get the whole thing back to them before the
> 
> > rebate period runs out.  I think this is just a scam they use to try
> > and get out of paying the rebate.  This is the second time that epson
> > has pulled this on me.
> >
> > This time, I'll write a letter, circle the date, and insure-register
> > the package so someone will have to sign for it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by John Masiello

Good luck calling Epson. Whatever you do, don't leave a message and expect
them to return your call. I have called their national sales manager Michael
Columbarto(?) 3 x's over 4 weeks and he fails to return my call. He made a
promise and now will not honor it. Common decency would dictate a return
call.

Their policy to only allow selected dealers sell certain models of printers
and not others amounts to price fixing. I work with a vendor that I purchase
all my computer needs from including Epson printers. Unfortunately, for some
unknown reason they will not allow them to sell a particular model. They can
sell the new Epson 7600, but not the 9600. Interestingly, many other vendors
that sell out of state can activily advertise from their web sites to sell
this printer - all at exactly the same price.

Michael Columbarto(?) is fortunate to have a product that is in high demand.
In spite of Michael and Epson's terrible customer service their product will
sell itself. They should beware that eventually their competitors will catch
up with the technology and then we will see if their poor customer service
will carry the product. Their fame will be short lived.

I ddn't start this string, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone.

--John



on 12/21/02 6:40 PM, Jerry Olson at jerryolson@... wrote:
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> I tried to be funny, but droll at the same time.  But I'm calling them
> Monday. I'm just a tad pissed off.
> 
> (While although unpleasant, isn't as bad as being pissed on.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:
>> 
>> Jerry,
>> 
>> I'm wiping the tears away from my eyes from laughing at your post.
>> Surely, it was tongue-in-cheek. Epson is a company that has rigged their
>> printers with every technology short of an explosive device to blackmail
>> customers into buying their outrageously priced inks in thimble-sized
>> carts. Chips in carts to make life difficult and expensive for
>> aftermarket ink providers, chips that read empty and shut down the
>> printer when half full...the list goes on and on. And you are just now
>> "seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson"?! That has to
>> be the most pricelessly funny line I've read all year!
>> 
>> Lloyd
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:26 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?
>> 
>> Jerry Olson wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson.  I filled
>> 
>>> in my rebate coupon, enclosed the receipt, with the date plainly on
>>> the front, and the company name was at the top (Inkjet Goodies). Also
>>> the UPC code from the box was there, the receipt was stapled to it.
>>> 
>>> I just got the whole thing back and they said I hadn't included a
>>> receipt with the date of purchase.  (I of course had).
>>> 
>>> Now I'm wondering if I can get the whole thing back to them before the
>> 
>>> rebate period runs out.  I think this is just a scam they use to try
>>> and get out of paying the rebate.  This is the second time that epson
>>> has pulled this on me.
>>> 
>>> This time, I'll write a letter, circle the date, and insure-register
>>> the package so someone will have to sign for it.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> 
>> 
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Tom O'Connell <TomOC@softhome.net>

Austin-

Your answer will be that the cart is designed to quit well before it 
is empty so you won't destroy the print head...it's all built into 
the pricing <g>.

That's only partly meant to be funny. Much as we groan about Epson 
policies etc., one has to admit they deliver a very reliable product. 
In this forum probably more than half use non-epson inks and we know 
what to expect and live with the issues that creates...the other 
99.9% of the world have no idea what to expect other than 
click "print" and a print comes out (usually without and idea about 
profiling or that paper choice even matters).

We're so involved with our printing that we make the mistake of 
thinking we must be the target market that Epson cares about...

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Austin 
Franklin" <darkroom@i...> wrote:
> > >Have there been any lawsuits that you know of regarding ...
> > >Specifically the "chips that read empty and shut down the printer
> > >when half full"...  To me, that is an easily actionable 
item.  ...
> >
> > I practiced antitrust law for a long time for the FTC.  The Epson 
strategy
> > is close to what many in that field would call a "tying" 
arrangement.
> > "Tying" the sale of one "product" (perhaps ink) to the purchase 
of another
> > (for example, printer) was prohibited rather strictly at one
> > time.  However,
> > by the 1970s the wisdom of strictly enforcing this ban on tying 
had been
> > called into question.  By the 1990s, the U.S. Federal A.T. laws 
had
> > essentially been interpreted to throw that entire class of 
practices into
> > the general "rule of reason" category of Sherman 1.
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> My issue what NOT one of "tying", but of there still being 
some "reasonably
> usable" level of ink left in the cartridge, but the printer will 
not let you
> use that.  To me, that is fraudulent.  To sell a, say, 1oz ink 
cartridge
> that you can only use .6oz ink out of BY DESIGN.  That infuriates 
me.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Austin

Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Peter McLennan

>
>We're so involved with our printing that we make the mistake of
>thinking we must be the target market that Epson cares about...

Exactly!   We are a tiny blip of noise on their radar screens.


The web article states that carts are 90% of the 30 billion-dollar-a-year 
global printers market.
An associated article points out that printers and imaging are 70% of HP's 
profits.

Amazing statistics, not that excuses anything.  Kudos to the Europeans, I say.

Peter McLennan

Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Jerry Olson

I sincerely believe this world is going to hell in a hand basket. Only
way to make money these days
is to sell hand baskets.  I'll call them, but if I don't get a
satisfactory answer, I'll send my stuff in again, with arrows pointing
to the date, and listing everything they wanted included for the rebate.
It was all there. I'll send it registered and require someone sign it.

If that fails, I'll see if I would stand a chance in small claims court.
That's a hundred dollars!

Jerry

John Masiello wrote:
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> 
> Good luck calling Epson. Whatever you do, don't leave a message and expect
> them to return your call. I have called their national sales manager Michael
> Columbarto(?) 3 x's over 4 weeks and he fails to return my call. He made a
> promise and now will not honor it. Common decency would dictate a return
> call.
> 
> Their policy to only allow selected dealers sell certain models of printers
> and not others amounts to price fixing. I work with a vendor that I purchase
> all my computer needs from including Epson printers. Unfortunately, for some
> unknown reason they will not allow them to sell a particular model. They can
> sell the new Epson 7600, but not the 9600. Interestingly, many other vendors
> that sell out of state can activily advertise from their web sites to sell
> this printer - all at exactly the same price.
> 
> Michael Columbarto(?) is fortunate to have a product that is in high demand.
> In spite of Michael and Epson's terrible customer service their product will
> sell itself. They should beware that eventually their competitors will catch
> up with the technology and then we will see if their poor customer service
> will carry the product. Their fame will be short lived.
> 
> I ddn't start this string, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone.
> 
> --John
> 
> on 12/21/02 6:40 PM, Jerry Olson at jerryolson@... wrote:
> 
> > I tried to be funny, but droll at the same time.  But I'm calling them
> > Monday. I'm just a tad pissed off.
> >
> > (While although unpleasant, isn't as bad as being pissed on.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:
> >>
> >> Jerry,
> >>
> >> I'm wiping the tears away from my eyes from laughing at your post.
> >> Surely, it was tongue-in-cheek. Epson is a company that has rigged their
> >> printers with every technology short of an explosive device to blackmail
> >> customers into buying their outrageously priced inks in thimble-sized
> >> carts. Chips in carts to make life difficult and expensive for
> >> aftermarket ink providers, chips that read empty and shut down the
> >> printer when half full...the list goes on and on. And you are just now
> >> "seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson"?! That has to
> >> be the most pricelessly funny line I've read all year!
> >>
> >> Lloyd
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:26 PM
> >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?
> >>
> >> Jerry Olson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm seriously beginning to wonder about the ethics of Epson.  I filled
> >>
> >>> in my rebate coupon, enclosed the receipt, with the date plainly on
> >>> the front, and the company name was at the top (Inkjet Goodies). Also
> >>> the UPC code from the box was there, the receipt was stapled to it.
> >>>
> >>> I just got the whole thing back and they said I hadn't included a
> >>> receipt with the date of purchase.  (I of course had).
> >>>
> >>> Now I'm wondering if I can get the whole thing back to them before the
> >>
> >>> rebate period runs out.  I think this is just a scam they use to try
> >>> and get out of paying the rebate.  This is the second time that epson
> >>> has pulled this on me.
> >>>
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> >>> the package so someone will have to sign for it.
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
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RE: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Austin Franklin

> If that fails, I'll see if I would stand a chance in small claims court.
> That's a hundred dollars!

Jerry,

I don't know about your state, but in MA, I have gone to small claims court
against a large company, like MCI, and not only sought my $26 but tacked on
a $500 "legal fees" expense...and since they simply didn't show up in court,
the court gave me a default judgment for $500 plus $26 plus the court filing
fee of $14...and MCI HAD to pay it, and they did.

Austin

Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Ken Carney

Jerry, if you will send it U.S. certified mail, return receipt requested, it will be much faster (in post office years) and still require a receipt signature (unless they decline it).  Registered mail will require a postmark at every stop along the way, and will basically take forever to get there.  If there are no jurisdiction problems and you get an award in small claims court, you still have to collect the award, a separate procedure.  It might be easier just to send someone out with a baseball bat to work them over.  Just kidding.  Although...

  --Ken
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?


  I sincerely believe this world is going to hell in a hand basket. Only
  way to make money these days
  is to sell hand baskets.  I'll call them, but if I don't get a
  satisfactory answer, I'll send my stuff in again, with arrows pointing
  to the date, and listing everything they wanted included for the rebate.
  It was all there. I'll send it registered and require someone sign it.

  If that fails, I'll see if I would stand a chance in small claims court.
  That's a hundred dollars!



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RE: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Austin Franklin

> If there are
> no jurisdiction problems

MA has a "long arm" statute in such that I can sue a company in MA that does
business in MA...which means, at least in MA, there are no jurisdictional
issues.

> and you get an award in small claims
> court, you still have to collect the award, a separate procedure.

In MA, if a company has an outstanding judgment against them, and defaults
on remedy they are in contempt of court and they can be prohibited from
doing business in this state.

Austin

Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Jerry Olson

Thanks Austin!

This is the second time I've had trouble getting the rebate from epson,
I finally did get the first one. But it sure seems like they did this on
purpose, as I had supplied everything they requested.  Unless it was
handled by a new employee who didn't know what he/she was doing. That's
possible too.

Jerry

Re: [Digital BW] Epson ethics, has anyone else had this trouble?

2002-12-22 by Jerry Olson

Thanks Ken, I'll do it that way!

Jerry

> Jerry, if you will send it U.S. certified mail, return receipt requested, it will be much faster (in post office years) and still require a receipt signature (unless they decline it).  Registered mail will require a postmark at every stop along the way, and will basically take forever to get there.  I

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