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Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by Ken Carney

Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after installing
the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the 1270
as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
"installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com

Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by Steve Kale

FYI I would not jump straight into purchasing IP at $495.  I have found
minimal added image quality with the 2100/2200 and good colour profiles for
colour work and QTR (Mac only) is in my opinion better for B&W.  Get the
2200 and test again...2c
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From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:02:34 -0500
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after installing
the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the 1270
as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
"installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com


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Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by Bob Frost

Ken,

As you may have seen, I'm also having trouble with IP and my 2100. In all
the reading, rebooting, and reinstalling that I've done, I have read that IP
disables your existing Epson driver by various means to avoid conflict with
its own driver. When uninstalling it, using its own uninstaller since it
doesn't use the normal windows Uninstaller for some reason, it seems to
leave a new printer port that it sets up - called
C:\programfiles\iP\spool\printers\Epson 2200. You can delete this by going
to Settings/Printers/yourprinter(1270)/Properties/Ports and checking that
this new port is not there after uninstallation. If it is, delete it in that
menu, and recheck the box opposite your normal port for the 1270. IP's
uninstaller may also leave the printer installed; go to Settings/Printers
and manually delete it if necessary. On at least one occasions it said it
couldn't uninstall all the files, and I had to go to Program Files\IP and
delete the folders manually. I haven't yet looked to see what it might be
leaving in the Registry!

Bob Frost


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>


> Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
> liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after
installing
> the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
> software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
> cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
> to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the
1270
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> as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
> driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
> recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
> with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
> "installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
> exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.

Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by kenschuster

Thanks, Bob (from a different Ken). I have three printers on my system
and ran into the same problem trying to get two of them back to
working, after attaching and re-attaching all the cables and finding
new curse words. I tried re-installed the IP demo three times and
discovered that in doing so, I created three new ports. I hope it
hasn't invaded anything else... the registry, for example, as you
pointed out. It seems like the folks at IP are inconsiderate in more 
ways than just the reportedly unresponsiveness. 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Frost 
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Ken,

As you may have seen, I'm also having trouble with IP and my 2100. In all
the reading, rebooting, and reinstalling that I've done, I have read that IP
disables your existing Epson driver by various means to avoid conflict with
its own driver. When uninstalling it, using its own uninstaller since it
doesn't use the normal windows Uninstaller for some reason, it seems to
leave a new printer port that it sets up - called
C:\programfiles\iP\spool\printers\Epson 2200. You can delete this by going
to Settings/Printers/yourprinter(1270)/Properties/Ports and checking that
this new port is not there after uninstallation. If it is, delete it in that
menu, and recheck the box opposite your normal port for the 1270. IP's
uninstaller may also leave the printer installed; go to Settings/Printers
and manually delete it if necessary. On at least one occasions it said it
couldn't uninstall all the files, and I had to go to Program Files\IP and
delete the folders manually. I haven't yet looked to see what it might be
leaving in the Registry!

Bob Frost


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RE: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by Ken Carney

Thanks, Bob.  Unfortunately none of these symptoms are present.  I'll keep
looking and let you know if I find anything

--Ken
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Frost [mailto:bobfrost@...]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:08 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Ken,

As you may have seen, I'm also having trouble with IP and my 2100. In all
the reading, rebooting, and reinstalling that I've done, I have read that IP
disables your existing Epson driver by various means to avoid conflict with
its own driver. When uninstalling it, using its own uninstaller since it
doesn't use the normal windows Uninstaller for some reason, it seems to
leave a new printer port that it sets up - called
C:\programfiles\iP\spool\printers\Epson 2200. You can delete this by going
to Settings/Printers/yourprinter(1270)/Properties/Ports and checking that
this new port is not there after uninstallation. If it is, delete it in that
menu, and recheck the box opposite your normal port for the 1270. IP's
uninstaller may also leave the printer installed; go to Settings/Printers
and manually delete it if necessary. On at least one occasions it said it
couldn't uninstall all the files, and I had to go to Program Files\IP and
delete the folders manually. I haven't yet looked to see what it might be
leaving in the Registry!

Bob Frost


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>


> Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
> liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after
installing
> the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
> software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
> cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
> to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the
1270
> as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
> driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
> recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
> with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
> "installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
> exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.



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Re: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by Alan.Huntley@cox.net

Steve,

First, IP can be purchased for $395 from Lexjet. Second, I somewhat disagree with your comments. I would agree that the color print image quality from IP is not phenomenally better than the Epson driver with good profiles and proper color mgmt techniques, but...

In my testing of IP over the past week or so, I found the following:

1. I liked IP's handling of color better than the Epson driver; slightly less warmth and saturation in all colors, and I definitely preferred the color blue (sky, for example) in the IP print. The IP prints seemed to better match my memory of colors in the actual scene. This was my wife's opinion, too, as she was right there for many of the shots. Side-by-side, on the same paper put through the same printer, the Epson print looked ever so slightly garish. Also, I don't know how IP handles whites and near whites, but whispy clouds in my landscapes somehow looked more 3-dimensional and, at the same time, more translucent. Is it possible to make whispy clouds looks more whispy through software?

2. I really liked IP's handling of grayscale images. In natural room light the high values just seemed to glow and "jump out at ya"; similar to BO printing following Clayton's workflow and techniques.

Additionally, I like the fact that I have many, many paper profiles available for quite a few papers that I might like to investigate. Less time playing with the process...more time making images! As my time to devote to photography is limited I enjoy a more "out of the box" solution. I know many have had problems with IP, but I experienced none of the reported issues.

BTW, I used Roy's QuadToneRIP v1.1 some time ago with my Epson 1160. The print quality provided by Roy's software was great, but the Gimp drivers bring new meaning to the word: SLOW!

Just my .02 cents............

Regards,
Alan Huntley
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> 
> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
> Date: 2003/10/19 Sun PM 10:19:15 EDT
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> 
> FYI I would not jump straight into purchasing IP at $495.  I have found
> minimal added image quality with the 2100/2200 and good colour profiles for
> colour work and QTR (Mac only) is in my opinion better for B&W.  Get the
> 2200 and test again...2c
> 
> 
> From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:02:34 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> 
> Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
> liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after installing
> the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
> software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
> cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
> to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the 1270
> as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
> driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
> recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
> with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
> "installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
> exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   --Ken Carney
>     www.kencarney.com
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by Steve Kale

Simply suggesting that Ken test with the 2200 rather than hopping in boots
Œn all up front...

:-)
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From: <Alan.Huntley@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:10:59 -0400
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

Steve,

First, IP can be purchased for $395 from Lexjet. Second, I somewhat disagree
with your comments. I would agree that the color print image quality from IP
is not phenomenally better than the Epson driver with good profiles and
proper color mgmt techniques, but...

In my testing of IP over the past week or so, I found the following:

1. I liked IP's handling of color better than the Epson driver; slightly
less warmth and saturation in all colors, and I definitely preferred the
color blue (sky, for example) in the IP print. The IP prints seemed to
better match my memory of colors in the actual scene. This was my wife's
opinion, too, as she was right there for many of the shots. Side-by-side, on
the same paper put through the same printer, the Epson print looked ever so
slightly garish. Also, I don't know how IP handles whites and near whites,
but whispy clouds in my landscapes somehow looked more 3-dimensional and, at
the same time, more translucent. Is it possible to make whispy clouds looks
more whispy through software?

2. I really liked IP's handling of grayscale images. In natural room light
the high values just seemed to glow and "jump out at ya"; similar to BO
printing following Clayton's workflow and techniques.

Additionally, I like the fact that I have many, many paper profiles
available for quite a few papers that I might like to investigate. Less time
playing with the process...more time making images! As my time to devote to
photography is limited I enjoy a more "out of the box" solution. I know many
have had problems with IP, but I experienced none of the reported issues.

BTW, I used Roy's QuadToneRIP v1.1 some time ago with my Epson 1160. The
print quality provided by Roy's software was great, but the Gimp drivers
bring new meaning to the word: SLOW!

Just my .02 cents............

Regards,
Alan Huntley

> 
> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
> Date: 2003/10/19 Sun PM 10:19:15 EDT
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> 
> FYI I would not jump straight into purchasing IP at $495.  I have found
> minimal added image quality with the 2100/2200 and good colour profiles for
> colour work and QTR (Mac only) is in my opinion better for B&W.  Get the
> 2200 and test again...2c
> 
> 
> From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:02:34 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> 
> Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
> liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after installing
> the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
> software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
> cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
> to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the 1270
> as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
> driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
> recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
> with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
> "installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
> exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   --Ken Carney
>     www.kencarney.com
> 
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Re: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-20 by Alan.Huntley@cox.net

I agree...definitely. I have been looking at IP since v5.0 came out, but would not, under any circumstances, make a purchase without trying it with my printer (2200) in my working environment.

Alan Huntley
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> 
> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
> Date: 2003/10/20 Mon PM 02:57:41 EDT
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> 
> Simply suggesting that Ken test with the 2200 rather than hopping in boots
> Œn all up front...
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> From: <Alan.Huntley@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:10:59 -0400
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> 
> Steve,
> 
> First, IP can be purchased for $395 from Lexjet. Second, I somewhat disagree
> with your comments. I would agree that the color print image quality from IP
> is not phenomenally better than the Epson driver with good profiles and
> proper color mgmt techniques, but...
> 
> In my testing of IP over the past week or so, I found the following:
> 
> 1. I liked IP's handling of color better than the Epson driver; slightly
> less warmth and saturation in all colors, and I definitely preferred the
> color blue (sky, for example) in the IP print. The IP prints seemed to
> better match my memory of colors in the actual scene. This was my wife's
> opinion, too, as she was right there for many of the shots. Side-by-side, on
> the same paper put through the same printer, the Epson print looked ever so
> slightly garish. Also, I don't know how IP handles whites and near whites,
> but whispy clouds in my landscapes somehow looked more 3-dimensional and, at
> the same time, more translucent. Is it possible to make whispy clouds looks
> more whispy through software?
> 
> 2. I really liked IP's handling of grayscale images. In natural room light
> the high values just seemed to glow and "jump out at ya"; similar to BO
> printing following Clayton's workflow and techniques.
> 
> Additionally, I like the fact that I have many, many paper profiles
> available for quite a few papers that I might like to investigate. Less time
> playing with the process...more time making images! As my time to devote to
> photography is limited I enjoy a more "out of the box" solution. I know many
> have had problems with IP, but I experienced none of the reported issues.
> 
> BTW, I used Roy's QuadToneRIP v1.1 some time ago with my Epson 1160. The
> print quality provided by Roy's software was great, but the Gimp drivers
> bring new meaning to the word: SLOW!
> 
> Just my .02 cents............
> 
> Regards,
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
> > Date: 2003/10/19 Sun PM 10:19:15 EDT
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> > 
> > FYI I would not jump straight into purchasing IP at $495.  I have found
> > minimal added image quality with the 2100/2200 and good colour profiles for
> > colour work and QTR (Mac only) is in my opinion better for B&W.  Get the
> > 2200 and test again...2c
> > 
> > 
> > From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:02:34 -0500
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint
> > 
> > Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
> > liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after installing
> > the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
> > software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
> > cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
> > to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the 1270
> > as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
> > driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
> > recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
> > with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
> > "installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
> > exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.
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RE: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-21 by Ken Carney

Thanks, Steve, that is indeed a sensible idea.  However...in looking at
today's posts on the 4000, I may wait a while for it.  Neutral, cold and
warm tones just about cover the waterfront for me, plus the ability for more
toning with the color inks.  My prints are seldom over 11 -12" wide, but it
would be nice to have 16" paper for better salon borders.  _If_ it will
perform as described, $1,800 sounds like a fair price.   Now...if I could
just get my ancient 1270 back in action after whatever ImagePrint did to my
system.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:58 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Simply suggesting that Ken test with the 2200 rather than hopping in boots
\ufffdn all up front...

:-)

RE: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-21 by Ken Carney

Bob, in haste I overlooked the port.  I could not find the port you
described in Windows Explorer, but when I checked the ports for the 1270
using properties in settings/printer, there was a port I had overlooked
labeled "CB Monitor".  It pointed to the address you reference.  This is
getting a little weird, if I may say so.  Still, though, despite everything
I cannot install the XP software for the 1270.  I think (a) off into the
dreaded registry and (b) downloading the IP demo is a _big_ mistake.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Frost [mailto:bobfrost@...]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:08 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Ken,

As you may have seen, I'm also having trouble with IP and my 2100. In all
the reading, rebooting, and reinstalling that I've done, I have read that IP
disables your existing Epson driver by various means to avoid conflict with
its own driver. When uninstalling it, using its own uninstaller since it
doesn't use the normal windows Uninstaller for some reason, it seems to
leave a new printer port that it sets up - called
C:\programfiles\iP\spool\printers\Epson 2200. You can delete this by going
to Settings/Printers/yourprinter(1270)/Properties/Ports and checking that
this new port is not there after uninstallation. If it is, delete it in that
menu, and recheck the box opposite your normal port for the 1270. IP's
uninstaller may also leave the printer installed; go to Settings/Printers
and manually delete it if necessary. On at least one occasions it said it
couldn't uninstall all the files, and I had to go to Program Files\IP and
delete the folders manually. I haven't yet looked to see what it might be
leaving in the Registry!

Bob Frost


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>


> Would greatly appreciate any advice.  I downloaded the ImagePrint demo,
> liked it, thought I would get it and a new 2200.  However...after
installing
> the demo, my beloved 1270 will only print in one tone with the Epson
> software (the typical red cast), no matter whether the image sent to it is
> cold tone, warm tone or what.  I uninstalled the ImagePrint demo (not easy
> to do), but still the same problem with the 1270.  So I uninstalled the
1270
> as a printer and the Epson software.  I tried to reinstall (the Epson XP
> driver with both USB and parallel), but the Epson software will not
> recognize the printer as installed, though it is installed.  It will print
> with the native XP drivers, but the Epson print software will get to
> "installing your printer" and then hang.  Thanks for any advice on this
> exotic question.  It's time to upgrade, but I would like to keep the 1270.



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Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-21 by Steve Kale

My thoughts exactly.  The cost of IP plus the 2200 goes a long way towards
the the cost of a 4000....
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From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:44:59 -0500
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

Thanks, Steve, that is indeed a sensible idea.  However...in looking at
today's posts on the 4000, I may wait a while for it.  Neutral, cold and
warm tones just about cover the waterfront for me, plus the ability for more
toning with the color inks.  My prints are seldom over 11 -12" wide, but it
would be nice to have 16" paper for better salon borders.  _If_ it will
perform as described, $1,800 sounds like a fair price.   Now...if I could
just get my ancient 1270 back in action after whatever ImagePrint did to my
system.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:58 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Simply suggesting that Ken test with the 2200 rather than hopping in boots
Œn all up front...

:-)




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Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-21 by Bob Frost

Ken,

Something else I read was that installation of the IP driver would uncheck
the port of the Epson 1270 driver (USB or LPT1?) and put the printer on
'Pause'. So you would have to recheck the port of the 1270, untick Pause,
and recheck printer spooling and possibly bidirectional support to get the
1270 running again if it had already been installed, but if it has stopped a
fresh installation of your 1270 from working??? I had no problem in getting
my 2100 working again after uninstalling IP, or simply going back to using
the Epson driver while IP is still installed, providing I went into
Settings/Printers/Properties and rechecked all the normal Epson printer
settings. I might try installing my 2100 twice under two different names (eg
Epson 2100 and IP 2100) and let IP interfere with one and see if I can still
use the other normally.

I do like the look of the new 4000 though. It would save me having to find a
way of refilling the 2100 cartridges from some 7600 cartridges, allow
instant swapping of photo black and matte black, and if the profiles are
good enough, we might not need IP!! Hang on to your money 'till January.

Bob Frost.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>


> Bob, in haste I overlooked the port.  I could not find the port you
> described in Windows Explorer, but when I checked the ports for the 1270
> using properties in settings/printer, there was a port I had overlooked
> labeled "CB Monitor".  It pointed to the address you reference.  This is
> getting a little weird, if I may say so.  Still, though, despite
everything
> I cannot install the XP software for the 1270.  I think (a) off into the
> dreaded registry and (b) downloading the IP demo is a _big_ mistake.

RE: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-23 by Ken Carney

Bob, I have edited the registry (found dozens of keys left by IP), but still
no joy.  I still cannot reinstall the 1270.  Before the IP demo the Epson
driver worked OK, after I can't reinstall = I would say IP is removed from
the equation for purchase consideration.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Frost [mailto:bobfrost@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:18 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Ken,

Something else I read was that installation of the IP driver would uncheck
the port of the Epson 1270 driver (USB or LPT1?) and put the printer on
'Pause'. So you would have to recheck the port of the 1270, untick Pause,
and recheck printer spooling and possibly bidirectional support to get the
1270 running again if it had already been installed, but if it has stopped a
fresh installation of your 1270 from working??? I had no problem in getting
my 2100 working again after uninstalling IP, or simply going back to using
the Epson driver while IP is still installed, providing I went into
Settings/Printers/Properties and rechecked all the normal Epson printer
settings. I might try installing my 2100 twice under two different names (eg
Epson 2100 and IP 2100) and let IP interfere with one and see if I can still
use the other normally.

I do like the look of the new 4000 though. It would save me having to find a
way of refilling the 2100 cartridges from some 7600 cartridges, allow
instant swapping of photo black and matte black, and if the profiles are
good enough, we might not need IP!! Hang on to your money 'till January.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>


> Bob, in haste I overlooked the port.  I could not find the port you
> described in Windows Explorer, but when I checked the ports for the 1270
> using properties in settings/printer, there was a port I had overlooked
> labeled "CB Monitor".  It pointed to the address you reference.  This is
> getting a little weird, if I may say so.  Still, though, despite
everything
> I cannot install the XP software for the 1270.  I think (a) off into the
> dreaded registry and (b) downloading the IP demo is a _big_ mistake.



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RE: Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-23 by Mitch Alland

For: Ken Carney

> Before the IP demo the Epson driver worked OK, after I can't reinstall 
> = I would say IP is removed from  the equation for purchase 
> consideration.

If installation of the IP demo has caused problems I would send an 
e-mail to ColorByte to ask them what is wrong and what you should do. 
In my experience they have been very good in dealing with problems by 
e-mail. You might also want to post your question to the IP yahoo list 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ImagePrint/messages/>. However, I have 
not seen reports of other people having this type of problem except Bob 
Frost, so it is possible that you may have done something in the 
installation process or subsequently to trigger this. ColorByte should 
be able to resolve this easily.

--Mitch/Paris


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Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint

2003-10-23 by Bob Frost

Ken,

In that case I would use System Restore to go back to the system files you
had the day before you first installed IPDemo. I've just had to do it to get
rid of a Windows Update to IE that blocked all internet and email access for
some unknown reason.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>


> Bob, I have edited the registry (found dozens of keys left by IP), but
still
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> no joy.  I still cannot reinstall the 1270.  Before the IP demo the Epson
> driver worked OK, after I can't reinstall = I would say IP is removed from
> the equation for purchase consideration.

RE: Success (was: Epson install problem after ImagePrint)

2003-10-24 by Ken Carney

For those who may have fallen in this situation, the key to the castle is:
(1) try to uninstall IP with its own installer.  It probably won't
completely uninstall.  (2) Manually delete the IP folders.  You probably
won't be able to do this until you uncheck a print file that IP has put in
your startup menu.  (3) Go to printer settings and find new ports that have
appeared, in my case "CB Monitor" that pointed to an IP file still on the
HD, and delete them.  (4) Manually delete the Epson (1270 in my case)
printer.  (5) Edit the XP registry (you must know how, else perhaps a broken
PC) to remove all vestiges of the original IP and Epson installation.  (6)
Reboot the PC with the printer on.  X out of XP's attempt to reinstall the
XP drivers.  (7) Manually install the printer in setting>printers, check
"have disk" and point to the directory where your Epson XP driver files are
and find an .inf file to select.  (8) Proceed with the installation - a very
long time, 15 minutes on a 1.7gz P4 with no disk activity...go have a drink.
You must manually install the printer, or the Epson XP installation program
will attempt to install it and hang  (9) Install the Epson XP status
monitor.  (10) Assuming you have the IP demo verson (no $ invested),
strongly consider spending $50 for Photokit (www.pixelgenius.com) which will
do a good job of printing neutral and cold-tone b&w images on Epson paper,
and especially the Photokit sharpener.  I hope this helps some poor soul
who, like myself, is not a computer expert and has to bang on it until
something works.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Carney [mailto:kcarney1@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:11 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Bob, I have edited the registry (found dozens of keys left by IP), but still
no joy.  I still cannot reinstall the 1270.  Before the IP demo the Epson
driver worked OK, after I can't reinstall = I would say IP is removed from
the equation for purchase consideration.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Frost [mailto:bobfrost@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:18 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson install problem after ImagePrint


Ken,

Something else I read was that installation of the IP driver would uncheck
the port of the Epson 1270 driver (USB or LPT1?) and put the printer on
'Pause'. So you would have to recheck the port of the 1270, untick Pause,
and recheck printer spooling and possibly bidirectional support to get the
1270 running again if it had already been installed, but if it has stopped a
fresh installation of your 1270 from working??? I had no problem in getting
my 2100 working again after uninstalling IP, or simply going back to using
the Epson driver while IP is still installed, providing I went into
Settings/Printers/Properties and rechecked all the normal Epson printer
settings. I might try installing my 2100 twice under two different names (eg
Epson 2100 and IP 2100) and let IP interfere with one and see if I can still
use the other normally.

I do like the look of the new 4000 though. It would save me having to find a
way of refilling the 2100 cartridges from some 7600 cartridges, allow
instant swapping of photo black and matte black, and if the profiles are
good enough, we might not need IP!! Hang on to your money 'till January.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>


> Bob, in haste I overlooked the port.  I could not find the port you
> described in Windows Explorer, but when I checked the ports for the 1270
> using properties in settings/printer, there was a port I had overlooked
> labeled "CB Monitor".  It pointed to the address you reference.  This is
> getting a little weird, if I may say so.  Still, though, despite
everything
> I cannot install the XP software for the 1270.  I think (a) off into the
> dreaded registry and (b) downloading the IP demo is a _big_ mistake.



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