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Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Stephen Kobrin

The following appears on the Adobe website:

Supported cameras 


Camera Raw 3.0 

Support for the following cameras is included in Photoshop CS2. 
Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop CS.

Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support for the Canon Rebel 
XT and the Nikon D2X in May.

If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have to 
upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera Raw (3.0).  I 
am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am certainly not going to 
lay out another $150 or so to get an already expensive program to 
work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will also provide 
compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not, this is a scam.  At 
least I think it is.

Steve

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Steve Kale

Unfortunately while it may not make you happy it would not be a "scam".
It's not as though they are taking anything away from you.  Simply, in order
to get the extended capability (read the ability to use ACR with the XT),
you need to have the latest version.  That's just life.  If they didn't
charge (and people didn't pay) for additional functionality you can be
assured it would not be developed....I hope for your sake that it is not the
case but you can't be up-in-arms if it is.
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> From: Stephen Kobrin <kobrins@...>

> 
> 
> The following appears on the Adobe website:
> 
> Supported cameras
> 
> 
> Camera Raw 3.0 
> 
> Support for the following cameras is included in Photoshop CS2.
> Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop CS.
> 
> Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support for the Canon Rebel
> XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
> 
> If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have to
> upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera Raw (3.0).  I
> am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am certainly not going to
> lay out another $150 or so to get an already expensive program to
> work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will also provide
> compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not, this is a scam.  At
> least I think it is.
> 
> Steve
>

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Paul Roark

Steve,

> 
> The following appears on the Adobe website:
>...

> Support for the following cameras is included in Photoshop CS2.
> Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop CS.
> 
> Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support for the Canon Rebel
> XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
> 
> If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have to
> upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera Raw (3.0).  I
> am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am certainly not going to
> lay out another $150 or so to get an already expensive program to
> work with a new camera.  ...

I'm just using the Canon utility that came with the Rebel XT to process the
raw files into 16 bit RGB.  The differences in the conversion programs I
looked at seemed to be mostly sharpening and other processing that I'd
rather control in PS once the file is converted.  The Canon utility that
came with the Rebel XT does a fine job.  All I do is plug the USB cord into
the camera and the program automatically starts.

On the other hand, I did put in my order for CS2.  In addition to the raw
support, there are other enhancements that are useful.  The higher bit
depth, for example, should allow combining bracketed shots without
significant information loss, and overcoming the digital sensors' lack of
dynamic range is going to be critical for top notch printing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Richard

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Kobrin
> Sent: 25 April 2005 20:26
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS
> 
> 
> 
> The following appears on the Adobe website:
> 
> Supported cameras
> 
> 
> Camera Raw 3.0
> 
> Support for the following cameras is included in Photoshop CS2.
> Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop CS.
> 
> Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support for the Canon Rebel
> XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
> 
> If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have to
> upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera Raw (3.0).  I
> am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am certainly not going to
> lay out another $150 or so to get an already expensive program to
> work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will also provide
> compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not, this is a scam.  At
> least I think it is.

Could I suggest that you are unlikely to find anyone who will givew you a
RAW converter for nothing.

Richard


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RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Francis Ford

That is why I am running Bibblepro. Francis Ford
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> > Kobrin
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> > Subject: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo
> Shop CS
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The following appears on the Adobe website:
> > 
> > Supported cameras
> > 
> > 
> > Camera Raw 3.0
> > 
> > Support for the following cameras is included in
> Photoshop CS2.
> > Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop
> CS.
> > 
> > Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support
> for the Canon Rebel
> > XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
> > 
> > If I am reading this correctly, it appears that
> you will have to
> > upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of
> Camera Raw (3.0).  I
> > am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am
> certainly not going to
> > lay out another $150 or so to get an already
> expensive program to
> > work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will
> also provide
> > compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not,
> this is a scam.  At
> > least I think it is.
> 
> Could I suggest that you are unlikely to find anyone
> who will givew you a
> RAW converter for nothing.
> 
> Richard
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Richard

I am suggesting that you paid for the software or are you a relative of the
provider.

Richard

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> 
> 
> That is why I am running Bibblepro. Francis Ford
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> > On Behalf Of Stephen
> > > Kobrin
> > > Sent: 25 April 2005 20:26
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo
> > Shop CS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The following appears on the Adobe website:
> > >
> > > Supported cameras
> > >
> > >
> > > Camera Raw 3.0
> > >
> > > Support for the following cameras is included in
> > Photoshop CS2.
> > > Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop
> > CS.
> > >
> > > Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support
> > for the Canon Rebel
> > > XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
> > >
> > > If I am reading this correctly, it appears that
> > you will have to
> > > upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of
> > Camera Raw (3.0).  I
> > > am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am
> > certainly not going to
> > > lay out another $150 or so to get an already
> > expensive program to
> > > work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will
> > also provide
> > > compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not,
> > this is a scam.  At
> > > least I think it is.
> >
> > Could I suggest that you are unlikely to find anyone
> > who will givew you a
> > RAW converter for nothing.
> >
> > Richard
> >
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Re: Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by John Vitollo

There's a workaround. There will be a new DNG converter out shortly that will convert the 
new Rebel XT files to the DNG format and that file can be opened in CS with ACR or 
anyother program that supports DNG.

I do have the Rebel XT and will upgrade to CS2....paying Adobe $150.00 every 18 months 
is not a big deal. 


, "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@w...> 
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> If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have to 
> upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera Raw (3.0).  I 
> am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am certainly not going to 
> lay out another $150 or so to get an already expensive program to 
> work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will also provide 
> compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not, this is a scam.  At 
> least I think it is.

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: Richard
>
> Could I suggest that you are unlikely to find anyone who will give you a
> RAW converter for nothing.

You could, but you would be wrong. There are several free raw converters out
there. The latest one to make a splash is RawShooter Essentials from
Pixmantec.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Andrew Unger

I have CS and downloaded ACR 2.4, the DNG Converter and a series of 
Adobe "White Papers" on the subject of Camera Raw processing.  I 
don't know what 3.0 has that is new, but 2.4 is certainly a capable 
program, has a long list of supported cameras and is adding more all 
the time.  If you have CS you really should give ACR 2.4 a chance 
before you spend a lot of money for the upgrade.

Andrew  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen 
Kobrin" <kobrins@w...> wrote:
> 
> The following appears on the Adobe website:
> 
> Supported cameras 
> 
> 
> Camera Raw 3.0 
> 
> Support for the following cameras is included in Photoshop CS2. 
> Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop CS.
> 
> Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support for the Canon 
Rebel 
> XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
> 
> If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have to 
> upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera Raw 
(3.0).  I 
> am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am certainly not going 
to 
> lay out another $150 or so to get an already expensive program to 
> work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will also provide 
> compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not, this is a scam.  
At 
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> least I think it is.
> 
> Steve

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Stephen Kobrin

Richard,

I don't want a raw converter for nothing.  I have CS and it contains 
the camera raw program.  My gripe, which may or may not be 
reasonable, is not maintaining some sort of backward compatability. I 
am not sure that it is fair to require the upgrade to get CS, which I 
am happy with, to work with a new camera.  Scam may have been a bit 
strong.  But, I think my point is reasonable.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" 
<richard@r...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Stephen
> > Kobrin
> > Sent: 25 April 2005 20:26
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The following appears on the Adobe website:
> > 
> > Supported cameras
> > 
> > 
> > Camera Raw 3.0
> > 
> > Support for the following cameras is included in Photoshop CS2.
> > Camera Raw 3.0 is not compatible with Photoshop CS.
> > 
> > Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support for the Canon 
Rebel
> > XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
> > 
> > If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have to
> > upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera Raw 
(3.0).  I
> > am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am certainly not going 
to
> > lay out another $150 or so to get an already expensive program to
> > work with a new camera.  Is it possible they will also provide
> > compatibility with the X for CS users.  If not, this is a scam.  
At
> > least I think it is.
> 
> Could I suggest that you are unlikely to find anyone who will givew 
you a
> RAW converter for nothing.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Diane Fields

Steve, try RSE--its free and is gradually becoming my RAW converter of choice (I have used all the RAW converters over the years except Bibble).  For color--they are still a bit 'off', but I use Capture One with custom camera profiles there and have used the RSE parameters to get closer to that (be careful of the sharpening/detail settings).  I also think (though its possible you do no color shooting) that Magne Nilsen will create color profile for RSE when they offer the 'for sale' version.  BTW, the RSE version will always be 'free'---but they will offer one with a  lot of options in the future for a 'relatively' (their words) reasonable price.  The developer was the major developer of Capture One--and I much prefer it over ACR for color.  My workflow is good---it batches without having to play around with an action or script.  I understand that PSCS2 allows this also, but I can't see anything that lures me to upgrade this time.  RSE will convert Rebel XT (and I expect that Canon's own DPP will also--as well as Breezebrowser which uses CAnon's SDK).

Forgot to mention that these are both Windows only.  If you are on a Mac, try Canon's DPP (available on their site)--its a bit clunky but much better than their software in the past.

Here are the links.
http://www.pixmantec.com/products/rawshooter_essentials.html
http://breezesys.com/

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Kale 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS


  Unfortunately while it may not make you happy it would not be a "scam".
  It's not as though they are taking anything away from you.  Simply, in order
  to get the extended capability (read the ability to use ACR with the XT),
  you need to have the latest version.  That's just life.  If they didn't
  charge (and people didn't pay) for additional functionality you can be
  assured it would not be developed....I hope for your sake that it is not the
  case but you can't be up-in-arms if it is.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Diane Fields

*Smile*--not true.  RAWShooters Essential is free and very good (color is still a bit off though).  This is part of their marketing strategy and they will offer a version with a lot more options in the future but the RSE version will always be 'free'.  I've used all the RAW converters for CAnon over the years except Bibble and can recommend this one--the developer was the main developer of Capture One--which IS my converter of choice now with custom camera profiles.  For color (and workflow) I prefer it over ACR.  I understand that PSCS2 offers batch conversion---but I don't find much else to entice me to buy an upgrade this time.

http://www.pixmantec.com/products/rawshooter_essentials.html

Diane
  Could I suggest that you are unlikely to find anyone who will givew you a
  RAW converter for nothing.

  Richard


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Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Roger Howard

On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Stephen Kobrin wrote:

>
>
> Richard,
>
> I don't want a raw converter for nothing.  I have CS and it contains
> the camera raw program.  My gripe, which may or may not be
> reasonable, is not maintaining some sort of backward compatability. I
> am not sure that it is fair to require the upgrade to get CS, which I
> am happy with, to work with a new camera.  Scam may have been a bit
> strong.  But, I think my point is reasonable.

Steven,

Very few vendors "backport" support like this - it's normal to add 
support for new hardware to the latest version of an app, but not to go 
back and re-engineer support for new hardware in discontinued versions. 
It's just common industry practice, nice or not - frankly I don't find 
the upgrade cost unreasonable (and CS still does everything, and more, 
that it did when you bought it - they didn't promise to support the XT, 
or to continually support new cameras ad infinitum). If there were no 
substantial differences - if CS2 had a virtually identical version of 
Camera RAW other than support for new hardware, I'd understand the 
upset. But it's a very substantial upgrade and their asking price - let 
alone the general price of the product - is quite fair IMHO.

Anyhow, the suggestion to use the forthcoming update of DNG Converter 
to convert your XT files to DNG, and then process those in CS, is a 
great one and shows the benefit of having a standard RAW format 
perfectly. As soon as the updated DNG Converter is out with XT support 
you can batch convert your raw files to DNG, and those will open fine 
in CS.

-R

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-25 by Stephen Kobrin

Thanks Diane,

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Fields" 
<picnic@c...> wrote:
> Steve, try RSE--its free and is gradually becoming my RAW converter 
of choice (I have used all the RAW converters over the years except 
Bibble).  For color--they are still a bit 'off', but I use Capture 
One with custom camera profiles there and have used the RSE 
parameters to get closer to that (be careful of the sharpening/detail 
settings).  I also think (though its possible you do no color 
shooting) that Magne Nilsen will create color profile for RSE when 
they offer the 'for sale' version.  BTW, the RSE version will always 
be 'free'---but they will offer one with a  lot of options in the 
future for a 'relatively' (their words) reasonable price.  The 
developer was the major developer of Capture One--and I much prefer 
it over ACR for color.  My workflow is good---it batches without 
having to play around with an action or script.  I understand that 
PSCS2 allows this also, but I can't see anything that lures me to 
upgrade this time.  RSE will convert Rebel XT (and I expect that 
Canon's own DPP will also--as well as Breezebrowser which uses 
CAnon's SDK).
> 
> Forgot to mention that these are both Windows only.  If you are on 
a Mac, try Canon's DPP (available on their site)--its a bit clunky 
but much better than their software in the past.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Here are the links.
> http://www.pixmantec.com/products/rawshooter_essentials.html
> http://breezesys.com/
> 
> Diane

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Diane Fields

The third party converters tend to be backward compatible, but you won't find PS doing that.  As they offer new versions they include the newer cameras in it.  While PSCS was the version offered they continued to add new cameras as they came out--after the new version comes out--they won't because they don't offer PSCS either.  That's not the reason I won't upgrade (I'm sticking with my 10D, D60 and old D30 until the successor to the 20D comes out next Spring--I assume---or I decide to buy a FF or 1.3x camera) however.  I don't think the new version offers me anything I need right now.  I did feel PSCS offered sufficient reason to upgrade over PS7 (where I bought the RAW plugin for $99--when PSCS came out it was no longer either offered or supported since they no longer offered PS7 and if I wanted to use ACR for newer cameras I had to buy PSCS--altho' I don't use it as my RAW converter).

Diane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stephen Kobrin 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS



  Richard,

  I don't want a raw converter for nothing.  I have CS and it contains 
  the camera raw program.  My gripe, which may or may not be 
  reasonable, is not maintaining some sort of backward compatability. I 
  am not sure that it is fair to require the upgrade to get CS, which I 
  am happy with, to work with a new camera.  Scam may have been a bit 
  strong.  But, I think my point is reasonable.

  Steve



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RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Richard

In which place why is the lad complaining about Adobe when the solution is
in his own hands

Richard

> You could, but you would be wrong. There are several free raw converters
> out
> there. The latest one to make a splash is RawShooter Essentials from
> Pixmantec.


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RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Richard

I do not agree that your point is at all reasonable.
CS2 is rather more than a RAW upgrade.

Richard

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Kobrin
> Sent: 25 April 2005 22:32
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS
> 
> 
> 
> Richard,
> 
> I don't want a raw converter for nothing.  I have CS and it contains
> the camera raw program.  My gripe, which may or may not be
> reasonable, is not maintaining some sort of backward compatability. I
> am not sure that it is fair to require the upgrade to get CS, which I
> am happy with, to work with a new camera.  Scam may have been a bit
> strong.  But, I think my point is reasonable.


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Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Steve Kale

There is no backward compatibility issue with the current version.  You are
asking for forward compatibility - for the older version to support a newer
camera.
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> From: Stephen Kobrin <kobrins@...>

> 
> Richard,
> 
> I don't want a raw converter for nothing.  I have CS and it contains
> the camera raw program.  My gripe, which may or may not be
> reasonable, is not maintaining some sort of backward compatability. I
> am not sure that it is fair to require the upgrade to get CS, which I
> am happy with, to work with a new camera.  Scam may have been a bit
> strong.  But, I think my point is reasonable.
> 
> Steve
>

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Seth

Get BreezeBrowser or RSE.

Seth 

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==
==Note: Adobe expects to offer preliminary support for the 
==Canon Rebel XT and the Nikon D2X in May.
==
==If I am reading this correctly, it appears that you will have 
==to upgrade to CS2 just to use the newest version of Camera 
==Raw (3.0).  I am thinking about getting a Rebel XT but I am 
==certainly not going to lay out another $150 or so to get an 
==already expensive program to work with a new camera.  Is it 
==possible they will also provide compatibility with the X for 
==CS users.  If not, this is a scam.  At least I think it is.
==

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Seth

Not that it's a scam, but other software continues to update minor things
in prior versions (e.g., ACR in CS), so Adobe could.

Upgrading simply for ACR is nuts!  You'd be doing it constantly in a media
organization. 

Upgrading for major features makes sense.  CS was just that on the photo
side.  Since CS2 comes close on its heels, who knows?
Is it just a cash generator?  Is it stuff only held back from CS so they
could do this?  Or, is it a MAJOR improvement in many areas that warrants
upgrade?

Seth

==-----Original Message-----
==
==
==Unfortunately while it may not make you happy it would not be 
==a "scam".
==It's not as though they are taking anything away from you.  
==Simply, in order to get the extended capability (read the 
==ability to use ACR with the XT), you need to have the latest 
==version.  That's just life.  If they didn't charge (and 
==people didn't pay) for additional functionality you can be 
==assured it would not be developed....I hope for your sake 
==that it is not the case but you can't be up-in-arms if it is.
==
==

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Seth

I was on the beta test team for the last two versions of Bibble.  Although,
they have made it less clunky, I am slowly moving to RSE for some things.

What Bibble does that other RAW converters do not do:  Bibble lets you do
the SAME operations on JPEGs and TIFFs!!

Seth

==-----Original Message-----
=Behalf Of Diane Fields
==
==
==The third party converters tend to be backward compatible, 
==but you won't find PS doing that.  As they offer new versions 
==they include the newer cameras in it.  While PSCS was the 
==version offered they continued to add new cameras as they 
==came out--after the new version comes out--they won't because 
==they don't offer PSCS either.  That's not the reason I won't 
==upgrade (I'm sticking with my 10D, D60 and old D30 until the 
==successor to the 20D comes out next Spring--I assume---or I 
==decide to buy a FF or 1.3x camera) however.  I don't think 
==the new version offers me anything I need right now.  I did 
==feel PSCS offered sufficient reason to upgrade over PS7 
==(where I bought the RAW plugin for $99--when PSCS came out it 
==was no longer either offered or supported since they no 
==longer offered PS7 and if I wanted to use ACR for newer 
==cameras I had to buy PSCS--altho' I don't use it as my RAW converter).
==

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Jim Goshorn

> I  am not sure that it is fair to require the upgrade to get CS, which 
> I
>   am happy with, to work with a new camera.  Scam may have been a bit
>   strong.  But, I think my point is reasonable.

Steve,

My Understanding is that you can download the latest version of DNG 
Converter which will convert the latest camera formats to DNG and then 
use the version of ACR which works with CS.

Jim

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by John Vitollo

The new CS2 is a MAJOR improvement with ACR and Photoshop itself.

"Seth"  wrote:
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> Upgrading for major features makes sense.  CS was just that on the photo
> side.  Since CS2 comes close on its heels, who knows?
> Is it just a cash generator?  Is it stuff only held back from CS so they
> could do this?  Or, is it a MAJOR improvement in many areas that warrants
> upgrade?

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vitollo
> Sent: 26 April 2005 18:32
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS
> 
> 
> 
> The new CS2 is a MAJOR improvement with ACR and Photoshop itself.

Reckon it is pards, especially the colour management.

Richard


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Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Steve Kale

Richard

Can you explain - I haven't had the chance to really get into what's new in
this version.

Steve
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> especially the colour management.
> 
> Richard
>

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Kale
> Sent: 26 April 2005 18:43
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Can you explain - I haven't had the chance to really get into what's new
> in
> this version.

No I can't explain because I have only just upgraded, but results produced
so far would indicate that somehow better quality is being produced using
old, well tested images. By better quality I mean cleaner colours and
smoother shadow rendition.

At this stage it would appear that monitor to print match is better. I am
using i1 Photo for both screen and inkjet. Printer profile is as produced
several weeks ago using the single sheet profiling method.

I also like the browser and the RAW converter is decidedly more feature
rich.

Richard

 


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Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-26 by Steve Kale

Can anyone think of any reason why an upgrade to CS 2 purchased in the US
would not be a valid upgrade for a CS registered user in the UK?  You've got
to love the UK: the US product sells for $145 or £76 while the upgrade costs
£140 in the UK. 
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> From: Richard <richard@...-bulldog.com>
 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Kale
>> Sent: 26 April 2005 18:43
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Can you explain - I haven't had the chance to really get into what's new
>> in
>> this version.
> 
> No I can't explain because I have only just upgraded, but results produced
> so far would indicate that somehow better quality is being produced using
> old, well tested images. By better quality I mean cleaner colours and
> smoother shadow rendition.
> 
> At this stage it would appear that monitor to print match is better. I am
> using i1 Photo for both screen and inkjet. Printer profile is as produced
> several weeks ago using the single sheet profiling method.
> 
> I also like the browser and the RAW converter is decidedly more feature
> rich.
> 
> Richard

RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-27 by Seth

Thanks.

Does anyone know if there is a comparison out there that that just shows
what is upgraded and how? I mean little to no sales hype.

Seth

==-----Original Message-----
==From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
==[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
==Behalf Of John Vitollo
==Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:32 PM
==To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
==Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS
==
==
==
==The new CS2 is a MAJOR improvement with ACR and Photoshop itself.
==

Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Camera raw and Photo Shop CS

2005-04-27 by John Vitollo

> Does anyone know if there is a comparison out there that that just shows
> what is upgraded and how? I mean little to no sales hype.
> Seth

http://www.photoshopuser.com/photoshopcs2.html

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