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2004-09-18 by John P
Just my .02 here.... I work on compositions that can take weeks or months to finish. Being able to rely on the stable vco's giving me what I want week in & week out is nice. Also, if you tune 2 osc's together to achieve a slow beat frequency, minor short term variations stick out
2004-09-18 by darkstr1746@comcast.net
... LOL : )...... joke guys it's a humorous aside as it were. I'm still laughing. aren't you?? ...... sigh, should have known better but just couldn't resist. But it did bring some folks oout of their closests with swords aflashin' ready to slay the hapless court jester. LMAO!!!
2004-09-18 by Peter Grenader
I agree back with Chris' point. One thing I really appreciate about the Serge is while its functionally similar to the Buchla, Tcherepnin went about it in a completely different way than Don did. While it's methods of control, control processing and intent (not originally designe
2004-09-18 by Chris Whitten
I agree with Peter 100%. I have a couple of Buchla 200 Oscillators and they don't appreciably drift. Do NOT appreciably drift. Any of you critical guys actually work with a Buchla? I'm not saying the 200e is going to be any great shakes, I'm not a big fan of Don either, but it se
2004-09-18 by Peter Grenader
Got that suit zipped up yet? No seriously, there's been tons of rumors floating around about the notoriously drift-ridden VCOs that were in the Buchla 200, most of which I think stems from Mort Subotnick's statements in Vail's Vintage Synth book. Please keep in mind three argumen
2004-09-18 by darkstr1746@comcast.net
Oh, well. I still have to sell my new panel. Have major debts.... :-( Jesus... i wish you'd pipe down about that panel 'cause your starting to give me the cold sweats! LMAO!!! john duval
2004-09-18 by darkstr1746@comcast.net
-------------- Original message -------------- why isn't anyone thinking the obvious... and buy a buchla 200e for 20,000 O_o .................because after 30 years the guy still doesn't know how to compensate for temperature drift!! LMAO!!!..... or the obvious, it's still overpr
2004-09-18 by John P
Subject line says all. Don't know when it'll happen, it could be a few weeks. Other digital outlets to follow. -- m/n/m/l surreal electronic music, sound, noise http://mnml.soulcatcher.net
2004-09-18 by John Loffink
IMO, the new Buchla 200e is an intermediary step between the Buchla 200 and Buchla's digitally controlled 300/500 systems. Instead of controlling modules from a master computer, each one has some circuitry inside to capture parameters and store them. Some limitations are inherent
2004-09-18 by cuari7
Digital, huh? Well, knowing the reputation that old Buchla oscillators had for being so damn unstable, this may not be a bad thing at all. Now, charging $1400 for a monophonic digital oscillator in 2004 is a wee bit excessive (shit, you can get yourself 3 Evolvers with that kinda
2004-09-18 by Chris Whitten
> if the siganal generation and processing > part of the new Buchla is digital, I`ll keep my $$$ and my polysynths... Probably wise. > I`ll post details for those questions when I receive the reply from Don. Thanks. I'd be interested. If I went the 200e route, I'd buy modules ind
2004-09-18 by ALMAGATA@telefonica.net
I was about to do the same, I have another 10K spare $ and i begin to sold some polysynths here in europe for getting a 200e... But suddenly guido (guidotoons) point me that the 259e Oscillator modules are d*g*t*l. I asked Don regarding this issue, since the description for the 2
2004-09-18 by Ryan Ryan
why isn't anyone thinking the obvious... and buy a buchla 200e for 20,000 O_o Blake Wilson wrote: >....?? some other "spare" 10K ??? hahahaha... ok. it's a game >right? : ) Now, if i could sell MY Serge, i think i'd buy a >couple acres out in the boondocks and plant a double wide
2004-09-18 by Blake Wilson
>....?? some other "spare" 10K ??? hahahaha... ok. it's a game >right? : ) Now, if i could sell MY Serge, i think i'd buy a >couple acres out in the boondocks and plant a double wide on it and >give official notice that the rest of the world can kiss my >butt. How does that grab
2004-09-18 by darkstr1746@comcast.net
....?? some other "spare" 10K ??? hahahaha... ok. it's a game right? : ) Now, if i could sell MY Serge, i think i'd buy a couple acres out in the boondocks and plant a double wide on it and give official notice that the rest of the world can kiss my butt. How does that grab ya??
2004-09-18 by Chris Whitten
> The sound > quality is great I'm sure, but a lot of the 200e design is devoted to > patch storage & midi stuff I just don't need or want. I agree with that. Pricewise, my first reaction was the Buchla was great value, especially when looked on as single modules. The way STS pri
2004-09-18 by John P
the Buchla's price carries a high premium for its rarity. The sound quality is great I'm sure, but a lot of the 200e design is devoted to patch storage & midi stuff I just don't need or want. darylmey wrote: >So, let`s play a game: >You have a 10.000 $ Serge and some other "spare
2004-09-18 by Carbon111
Well, I got pretty drooley about the 200e at first but after looking at the fine print realized my Serge was just as powerful at about half the cost - actually much *more* powerful/flexible in some areas. Reading the 200e descriptions reveals that much of the functionality is sup
2004-09-18 by darylmey
So, let`s play a game: You have a 10.000 $ Serge and some other "spare" 10 k ..... Now: supposed you can sell your Serge - what would you do: Buy that new Push-up-Wonder-B(uchl)ra for 20 k or you keep your old faith and buy some supplements (kyma, cynthia etc ....)????
2004-09-18 by cuari7
Cynthia stuff sold.
2004-09-18 by cuari7
Brand-new Serge custom panel still for sale., $2500 (down from original price of $3410). also a Cynthia Medium PS: $150+ s/h, and a Modcan Dual Xfader, $180 + s/h. Get both for $300. The current price of the panel is final. Only reason I'm selling is that my daughter needs (deman
2004-09-18 by chriswhittenmusic
--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com , "hal3001" wrote: Is it simply the fact that they were the > only game in town for a while? The simple answer to the specific question is they were never the ONLY game in town. Most musicians were buying second hand modulars at the time.
2004-09-18 by Ryan Ryan
oh god, i didn't think this would reply directly to the groups, damnit please ignore it Ryan Ryan wrote: hey, an update on when it'll arrive, i gotta wait till the paypal $ clears to my bank, which should take a few days, then send it to Kyle, and then he'll send u the unit which
2004-09-18 by Ryan Ryan
hey, an update on when it'll arrive, i gotta wait till the paypal $ clears to my bank, which should take a few days, then send it to Kyle, and then he'll send u the unit which should be sometime next week, so it should be there in a week or 2 weeks. I have a question regarding th
2004-09-18 by Blake Wilson
At 1:30 PM +0100 9/17/04, Chris Whitten wrote: >There has always been availability through the 'used' market though. >I had friends who were buying, selling and enjoying playing their Moogs and >Buchla's long before Doepfer came on the scene. >Yes, STS might have been one of the
2004-09-17 by Peter Grenader
As far as the reliability, the only thing that could effect that is the fact that these were sold as kits then and at that point it could be a contributing factor. I suggest a good technician to look it over ( wink wink) for cold solder joints are wires that weren't tinned proper
2004-09-17 by darkstr1746@comcast.net
that sound like a swell project. If i can be of any assistance, let me know. kind regards john duval -------------- Original message -------------- Millions of your earth-years ago, Beaver & Krause released the 'Nonesuch Guide to Electronic Music', and a followup LP set some year
2004-09-17 by darkstr1746@comcast.net
Truer words were never spoken. I sound just as bad on a Serge as anything else. LOL Reminds me of the first time i ever got my hands on a '59 LesPaul and a Mesa amp. Only took me a couple of minutes to figure out that for$10K i could sound just as bad on great gear as i could on
2004-09-17 by mrmoemorris
Serge sounds are as good as their programmer. A good programmer with a good understanding of synthesis can make all the sounds you describe, but do you really need a complex modular to make the sounds you want to create? There are better synths for a first modular because the Ser
2004-09-17 by hal3001
ahh, some nice replies. A lot of people talk about the newer serges though. the serge i'm going to be getting is from 1972, and it seems those panels are a little older, and not as versatile as the newer ones? and also not as reliable? I'm still going to pick up one, even if the
2004-09-17 by cuari7
The appeal of it? It's flexibility. Its SOUNDS combines the exuberant weirdness of nonconventional "bug" music-making machines with the sharp precission and stability of new generation machines. I have tried FM on different brands of neo-modulars (MOTM, dotcom and Dopefer) but no
2004-09-17 by synpro@aol.com
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:33:23 +0100 From: Chris Whitten cw.chris@... > Subject: Re: Lure Of the Serge? > Is it simply the fact that they were the > only game in town for a while? Was Serge EVER the only game in town? I also find it odd that you are about to drop larg
2004-09-17 by Chris Whitten
There has always been availability through the 'used' market though. I had friends who were buying, selling and enjoying playing their Moogs and Buchla's long before Doepfer came on the scene. Yes, STS might have been one of the few remaining manufacturers, but I was responding t
2004-09-17 by John P
Chris Whitten wrote: > >Was Serge EVER the only game in town? > Yeah... in the 80's - early 90's, when every other modular mfr was stone cold dead, and before Doepfer sprang from the soil, Serge was barely in business but you could get stuff. >I also find it odd that you are abou
2004-09-17 by Daniel Araya
Hello! This is my first "real" Serge post to this list! I have recently bought a two panel system from 81' that is in pretty poor shape, heavily modded and worn. I've fixed almost all the modules on the first panel but i have a "Preamp Detector" that has been modded into somethin
2004-09-17 by Chris Whitten
> Is it simply the fact that they were the > only game in town for a while? Was Serge EVER the only game in town? I also find it odd that you are about to drop large wads of cash on a Serge system but don't know what the appeal is.
2004-09-16 by John P
damn if I know, I just keep trippin' over it on the way to the barn.... but seriously, Serge's, esp the modern ones, are rugged, reliable, and extremely accurate, flexible and wide-ranged. The designs have been updated several times in 30+ years. hal3001 wrote: >Hey, I'm a soon t
2004-09-16 by hal3001
Hey, I'm a soon to be serge owner, and I'm just curious, what is the lure you find about the serge modular units? The quality of sound? the variety of modules? Is it simply the fact that they were the only game in town for a while? I'm really excited to get one of these. Sorry ab
2004-09-16 by John P
Millions of your earth-years ago, Beaver & Krause released the 'Nonesuch Guide to Electronic Music', and a followup LP set some years after that. The idea was a basic audio tour thru oscillators, envelopers, etc. To my knowledge there's nothing like that out right now. Is there?
2004-09-15 by Dean Batute
Hello James ....(and all)..THANK YOU James for FINALLY clearing up a question that till now, nobody else would help me with. Now I have an understanding as to what Serge was up to ! The last button pressed becomes the "Preset Address" and this address is loaded whenever the "Pres
2004-09-15 by James R. Coplin
The reset jack on the TKB and programmers work differently. On the TKB, the sequence will step all the way to the end and automatically wrap around to 1 (this assumes running forward and no connection to shorten the sequence steps). If you press a keypad on the TKB, the sequencer
2004-09-15 by Peter Grenader
I've had my thoughts about that - not sure what's under the hood on those, but Serge used a 4516 on this like the TBK, could this be a random enable, in that it forces a second counter signal into the first 4516's PRESET inputs? Maybe a stretch. - P Anyone have a UAP schematic? I
2004-09-15 by Dean Batute
Hello All, I too have a question regarding the Sequencing Programmer that has been bugging me for a while now. What is the function of the "Preset" input? Obviously the "Reset" input turns on "Stage 1", but typically logic circuits that have a preset control ALSO have an input to
2004-09-15 by James R. Coplin
I’m continually amazed at how I have modules that have been in my system forever but never get used because I can never find an application that I like. Then, someone points something out to me and then I suddenly love it. A good example of this for me was using chained ASRs as b
2004-09-14 by cuari7
Price of 4-month old custom Serge panel now marked down. Has PCOX3, COMP, MIX, VCFQ, DTGX2, UAP. Want $2600 + s/h Also: Still have PS2 and PS4 FS, cheap. Let me know, email: jesus.diaz@... Phone# 915-241-7067 jesus diaz, aka cuari7
2004-09-12 by Les Mizzell
Good afternoon, I have finally gotten off my lazy butt and updated a few things at www.serge-fans.com! 1. Added a page of downloadable 150 dpi module and panel graphics. I don't have graphics for every module, but the ones I have are posted. I did have graphics of all the shop pa
2004-09-11 by S V G
Trim yer fawking posts! :) --- SergeModular@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > There are 12 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. a Serge patch: "Rainstick" > From: "johnrichoux" jrichoux@... > > 2. True AD EG > From: "cuari7" medejd@... > > 3. Re: True AD EG > From:
2004-09-11 by John Loffink
I see now. Yes, this does work for percussive type envelopes. John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site http://www.wavemakers-synth.com > -----Original Message----- > From: James R. Coplin [mailto: moog@
2004-09-11 by James R. Coplin
OK, how about this then? ;) You can take the output of the first section in the USG into the VC of itself and set the VC control all the way left and set to modify the rise time. This will still create a fast enough rising edge to trigger the input section of the other half of th
2004-09-11 by John P
Using the regular output is fine for percussive (fast) attacks, but what if you want to do the same thing with longer attacks? The solution would seem to be to use the Loffink's gate & inverter method. For the inverter you could use just about anything, incl the BLOG inverter. Th