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I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-05 by jaumemod

After a couple of weeks documenting and researching me into the ends of the network, I managed to install on PC a PCI SCSI controller brand model Tekram DC-395U, (the same type that the Adaptec 2940 PCI I arrived and did not work, so I could be fried or comes fried ....) 

I did it with a Plextor CD-ROM reader that chained with a 4.3GB hard drive and 512 blocks / sector in the PC, all connected to the internal connection of the controller. The controller is connected to the sampler with a Centronics adapter cable 50 - SCSI II 50, so I tried a bridge because the hard drive and the CDROM into the internal SCSI card sampler not recognized, always launch error "Hard Disk not ready "I even thought I had breack it ... But a strange thing 'cuase external connection works.

I managed to load samples from the CDROM (monsters the ZERO-G!)

But I still have the problem of hard disk. Is empty, not formatted and when I select it in the sampler continuously read the error "HARD DISK ERROR. " I tried to format with the same sampler and an infinite "HARD DISK FORMATIING ... Waiting ..." for 8 hours. I know that the sampler will not read or do anything beyond 512 mg, but seeing this post I understand that
Is not formatted to 512 mg and stops, but remains "caught"?
What AKAI format program I can give, if that program exists? Or should I format it in DOS?

The PC detects the sampler and displayed on-device manager as <| SCSI Optical Device> but only when I select the SCSI ID of the sampler CD-ROM, if I select the hard disk ID and refresh the Adm. Device disappears. Regardless, both the disk as the CDROM and the controller are fixed in place Adm. XP devices.

THANKS!Greetings from Spain.

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-05 by PeWe


You have to format the HD connected to the AKAI S-1000 w/ S-1000 formatting procedure.

PC is useless if you don´t have any program/app existing for PC and S-1000.
The PC and OS doesn´t know what AKAI data ( program/sample) format is.

P.ex.,-AKAI MESA (MAC) application was/is only for Akai S-2000 and up ...

Adaptec 2904 works, Adaptec 2940 might not work at all because it´s a SCSI Ultra Wide controller and AKAI S-1000 is SCSI I / II.
The right cable for Adaptec 2904 and S-1000 is [SCSI mini 50 > Centronics 50].

For the harddrive, you have to make sure the SCSI ID, parity and termination and such is jumpered correctly.
It all depends of the brand / model of your harddrive and the only way is,- google for the jumper settings.
If the harddrive is the last drive in the chain, it must be terminated,- not the Plextor.
Look if the Plextor is terminated internally eventually which might cause all isn´t working in a chain.

If you have a old version of Steinberg Wavelab which supports SCSI ( Wavelab not higher than v 4.01b) and have a working SCSI card in the PC,- you´re able to transmit/receive samples to/from S-1000 connected to the PC SCSI card and/of from SCSI drives connected to the card.
Only the samples can be edtited and send back to the sampler or the drive.
There are also apps from Chickensys dealing w/ Akai S-1000 IIRR.

Sorting out SCSI issues works best w/ a old Apple PPC and the application SCSI Director.

It can be anything making your HD not working,- SCSI wirering in the harddrive´s enclosure, adapters, ext. cables, jumpers missing or wrong settings, termination active/passive and so on.
The drive has to be SCSI I internally connected w/ 50-PIN SCSI ribbon cable,- look if this is the case.

To identify SCSI connectors, cables and pinouts for serveral SCSI types,- google SCSI (small computer system interface)

Trial ´n error is a endless task,- SCSI is not easy and you need to have knowledge about SCSI or better go to someone who has.


Am 06.04.2011 00:29, schrieb jaumemod:
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After a couple of weeks documenting and researching me into the ends of the network, I managed to install on PC a PCI SCSI controller brand model Tekram DC-395U, (the same type that the Adaptec 2940 PCI I arrived and did not work, so I could be fried or comes fried ....)

I did it with a Plextor CD-ROM reader that chained with a 4.3GB hard drive and 512 blocks / sector in the PC, all connected to the internal connection of the controller. The controller is connected to the sampler with a Centronics adapter cable 50 - SCSI II 50, so I tried a bridge because the hard drive and the CDROM into the internal SCSI card sampler not recognized, always launch error "Hard Disk not ready "I even thought I had breack it ... But a strange thing 'cuase external connection works.

I managed to load samples from the CDROM (monsters the ZERO-G!)

But I still have the problem of hard disk. Is empty, not formatted and when I select it in the sampler continuously read the error "HARD DISK ERROR. " I tried to format with the same sampler and an infinite "HARD DISK FORMATIING ... Waiting ..." for 8 hours. I know that the sampler will not read or do anything beyond 512 mg, but seeing this post I understand that
Is not formatted to 512 mg and stops, but remains "caught"?
What AKAI format program I can give, if that program exists? Or should I format it in DOS?

The PC detects the sampler and displayed on-device manager as <| SCSI Optical Device> but only when I select the SCSI ID of the sampler CD-ROM, if I select the hard disk ID and refresh the Adm. Device disappears. Regardless, both the disk as the CDROM and the controller are fixed in place Adm. XP devices.

THANKS!Greetings from Spain.


Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-05 by jaumemod


--- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, PeWe ; wrote:
>
>
> You have to format the HD connected to the AKAI S-1000 w/ S-1000
> formatting procedure.
>
> PC is useless if you don´t have any program/app existing for PC and S-1000.
> The PC and OS doesn´t know what AKAI data ( program/sample) format is.
>
> P.ex.,-AKAI MESA (MAC) application was/is only for Akai S-2000 and up ...
>
> Adaptec 2904 works, Adaptec 2940 might not work at all because it´s a
> SCSI Ultra Wide controller and AKAI S-1000 is SCSI I / II.
> The right cable for Adaptec 2904 and S-1000 is [SCSI mini 50 >
> Centronics 50].
>
> For the harddrive, you have to make sure the SCSI ID, parity and
> termination and such is jumpered correctly.
> It all depends of the brand / model of your harddrive and the only way
> is,- google for the jumper settings.
> If the harddrive is the last drive in the chain, it must be terminated,-
> not the Plextor.
> Look if the Plextor is terminated internally eventually which might
> cause all isn´t working in a chain.
>
> If you have a old version of Steinberg Wavelab which supports SCSI (
> Wavelab not higher than v 4.01b) and have a working SCSI card in the
> PC,- you´re able to transmit/receive samples to/from S-1000 connected to
> the PC SCSI card and/of from SCSI drives connected to the card.
> Only the samples can be edtited and send back to the sampler or the drive.
> There are also apps from Chickensys dealing w/ Akai S-1000 IIRR.
>
> Sorting out SCSI issues works best w/ a old Apple PPC and the
> application SCSI Director.
>
> It can be anything making your HD not working,- SCSI wirering in the
> harddrive´s enclosure, adapters, ext. cables, jumpers missing or wrong
> settings, termination active/passive and so on.
> The drive has to be SCSI I internally connected w/ 50-PIN SCSI ribbon
> cable,- look if this is the case.
>
> To identify SCSI connectors, cables and pinouts for serveral SCSI
> types,- google SCSI (small computer system interface)
>
> Trial ´n error is a endless task,- SCSI is not easy and you need to have
> knowledge about SCSI or better go to someone who has.
>
>
> Am 06.04.2011 00:29, schrieb jaumemod:
> >
> > After a couple of weeks documenting and researching me into the ends
> > of the network, I managed to install on PC a PCI SCSI controller brand
> > model Tekram DC-395U, (the same type that the Adaptec 2940 PCI I
> > arrived and did not work, so I could be fried or comes fried ....)
> >
> > I did it with a Plextor CD-ROM reader that chained with a 4.3GB hard
> > drive and 512 blocks / sector in the PC, all connected to the internal
> > connection of the controller. The controller is connected to the
> > sampler with a Centronics adapter cable 50 - SCSI II 50, so I tried a
> > bridge because the hard drive and the CDROM into the internal SCSI
> > card sampler not recognized, always launch error "Hard Disk not ready
> > "I even thought I had breack it ... But a strange thing 'cuase
> > external connection works.
> >
> > I managed to load samples from the CDROM (monsters the ZERO-G!)
> >
> > But I still have the problem of hard disk. Is empty, not formatted and
> > when I select it in the sampler continuously read the error "HARD DISK
> > ERROR. " I tried to format with the same sampler and an infinite "HARD
> > DISK FORMATIING ... Waiting ..." for 8 hours. I know that the sampler
> > will not read or do anything beyond 512 mg, but seeing this post I
> > understand that
> > Is not formatted to 512 mg and stops, but remains "caught"?
> > What AKAI format program I can give, if that program exists? Or should
> > I format it in DOS?
> >
> > The PC detects the sampler and displayed on-device manager as <| SCSI
> > Optical Device> but only when I select the SCSI ID of the sampler
> >; CD-ROM, if I select the hard disk ID and refresh the Adm. Device
> > disappears. Regardless, both the disk as the CDROM and the controller
> > are fixed in place Adm. XP devices.
> >
> >; THANKS!Greetings from Spain.


Ok! I have to format with the HD connected directly to AKAI S1100, that's right. To do this I need to connect the HD in the internal SCSI IB103 connection with a ribbon.

I tell you: I did it. 'Cause an unknown reason the HD with the only power MODEX switch (external power PC supply) started to run, with the power MODEX switch ON and the SCSI connection through ribbon the HD didn't run. I put the terminator jumper on (only HD was on the SCSI chain), I configured the SCSI ID well (in 5), I put the external terminator on AKAI SCSI external conexion (term ON), all jumpers on HD has been checked about the HD manual.

Cause? I dont know.

I didn' t know about 2940 Ultra wide / SCSI I-II case. Anyway the host adapter didn't run alone on Pc. Must be faulty.

The order of chain is PLEXTOR ID3 (term ON), HD ID 5 on internal connection of SCSI host adapter ID 7, and on external the SCSI Mini 50 - Centronics wire to AKai ID6.

I have a question about term ON / OFF on IB103 internal SCSI , It must be terminated on external connection when I plug in a drive?

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by PeWe

In a SCSI system/chain,- the 1st device and the last one must be terminated.

The 1st is the AKAI in that case.

I have no idea what happens in your system,- I never thought of terminating IB103 and I think it´s by default anyway.
In my system, I connected to Synthax/Hybrid Arts Syndrives ( CD-ROM & HD) to IB-103 and the MOD is the last in the chain after the Syndrive,- MOD active terminated.
Works w/o issues.

Maybe you have a SCSI ID conflict.
Switches on HD enclosures showing a ID number doesn´t mean it´s the right one,- that´s why I check SCSI drives w/ Mac and SCSI director.
It all depends on the pinout of the SCSI ID connector of the HD and that at the cable of the enclosure.

You can measure the pins at the HD and the pins at the plugs of the SCSI ID cables w/ a ohm-meter to find out what´s ground and what the other pins are.
If someting isn´t connected correctly, SCSI ID #1 showed at the enclosure´s ID switch results in ID#4 in real or #3 is #6 then and so on.
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I have a question about term ON / OFF on IB103 internal SCSI , It must be terminated on external connection when I plug in a drive?



Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by Jaume Pons

Well! Well scrotumtightening resolution. After many headaches, the problem is to tie a millstone and thrown in the Ebro

The internal SCSI connector card of Akai IB-103 is turned around, or at least is not designed in a logical relation to the standard connection of other devices.

If we look at a standard PIN must always read from right to left and from top to bottom, in the cable is always marked with a red streak. Well, to read the connection of the sampler card to match the standard should read the same but with a view to the left, part welded to the left of elements to the right placing the card vertically, as is installed.

Solution? Take a carving knife and cut the teeth of the cable connector to turn it.

The disk to start the sampler is started (which did not previously) and is formatted.

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by Rish

That standard card does however work with zip drives. I have converted all of my S1000 to internal SCSI zip drives and dumped the floppy. This also allows auto loading of samples when changing songs from a sequencer.

Rish

Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
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On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Jaume Pons <jaumemod@...> wrote:

> Well! Well scrotumtightening resolution. After many headaches, the problem is to tie a millstone and thrown in the Ebro
> 
> The internal SCSI connector card of Akai IB-103 is turned around, or at least is not designed in a logical relation to the standard connection of other devices.
> 
> If we look at a standard PIN must always read from right to left and from top to bottom, in the cable is always marked with a red streak. Well, to read the connection of the sampler card to match the standard should read the same but with a view to the left, part welded to the left of elements to the right placing the card vertically, as is installed.
> 
> Solution? Take a carving knife and cut the teeth of the cable connector to turn it.
> 
> The disk to start the sampler is started (which did not previously) and is formatted.
> 
>

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by PeWe

Hi Rish !

I�m exactly thinking about this and I have the coice using a ZIP drive 
or a Fujitsu MOD (which is verified to work w/ S-1000 and S-1100 
externally).

I never did the modification before, so,- how will the ZIP or MOD be 
connected via SCSI internally to IB-103 inside a AKAI S-1xxx sampler ?

I assume, if the floppy drive is ditched,- the floppy drive connection 
cable becomes obsolete and a SCSI 50 ribbon cable will replace the 
floppy cable.
If that�s the case,- how behaves the sampler�s OS not finding a floppy 
drive anymore ? No errors to expect ?

Next question and O.T.,- but maybe you know that:
Does it work w/ a EMU E64 sampler too,- replacing the floppy drive w/ a 
MOD (I own 2 of these Fujitsu).

thx in advance

PeWe


Am 06.04.2011 15:55, schrieb Rish:
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> That standard card does however work with zip drives. I have converted 
> all of my S1000 to internal SCSI zip drives and dumped the floppy. 
> This also allows auto loading of samples when changing songs from a 
> sequencer.
>
> Rish
>
> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by Rish

The SCSI card needs to be modded with a 50 header and you will need a 50 pin special cable, you must also have the iOmega SCSI Zip 100 internail drive. (check Ebay)

I will do the mod for anyone that sends their SCSI card in, cost is $25.00 and this includes the cable, all you need is the drive.

Yes you ditch your floppy drive and the int Zip 100 goes in the drive slot and uses the same power that the floppy did.

Rish at www.Route66studios.com
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: PeWe 
  To: akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.


    

  Hi Rish !

  I´m exactly thinking about this and I have the coice using a ZIP drive or a Fujitsu MOD (which is verified to work w/ S-1000 and S-1100 externally).

  I never did the modification before, so,- how will the ZIP or MOD be connected via SCSI internally to IB-103 inside a AKAI S-1xxx sampler ?

  I assume, if the floppy drive is ditched,- the floppy drive connection cable becomes obsolete and a SCSI 50 ribbon cable will replace the floppy cable.
  If that´s the case,- how behaves the sampler´s OS not finding a floppy drive anymore ? No errors to expect ?

  Next question and O.T.,- but maybe you know that:
  Does it work w/ a EMU E64 sampler too,- replacing the floppy drive w/ a MOD (I own 2 of these Fujitsu).

  thx in advance

  PeWe


  Am 06.04.2011 15:55, schrieb Rish: 

      
    That standard card does however work with zip drives. I have converted all of my S1000 to internal SCSI zip drives and dumped the floppy. This also allows auto loading of samples when changing songs from a sequencer.


    Rish


    Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by PeWe

Hi Rish !

Thx for advice !

I�m in germany, so,- sending the card to US and back might be overkill,- 
but thx for the offer too.

best

PeWe


Am 06.04.2011 18:59, schrieb Rish:
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>
> \ufeff
>
> The SCSI card needs to be modded with a 50 header and you will need a 
> 50 pin special cable, you must also have the iOmega SCSI Zip 100 
> internail drive. (check Ebay)
> I will do the mod for anyone that sends their SCSI card in, cost is 
> $25.00 and this includes the cable, all you need is the drive.
> Yes you ditch your floppy drive and the int Zip 100 goes in the drive 
> slot and uses the same power that the floppy did.
> Rish at www.Route66studios.com <http://www.Route66studios.com>
>

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by Rish

With the OS your best move is to have the OS on EPROMs installed in your unit, I have these as well. By doing this you never have to boot with a disc of any kind, and you can save the OS to Zip when you SCSI format the ZIP disc.

Remember there are no boot up issues when removing the IDE floppy if you use the EPROMS. All you do when you boot is point the S1000 to the Zip drive.

Rish

Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
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On Apr 6, 2011, at 9:10 AM, PeWe <ha-pewe@...> wrote:

> 
> Hi Rish !
> 
> I´m exactly thinking about this and I have the coice using a ZIP drive or a Fujitsu MOD (which is verified to work w/ S-1000 and S-1100 externally).
> 
> I never did the modification before, so,- how will the ZIP or MOD be connected via SCSI internally to IB-103 inside a AKAI S-1xxx sampler ?
> 
> I assume, if the floppy drive is ditched,- the floppy drive connection cable becomes obsolete and a SCSI 50 ribbon cable will replace the floppy cable.
> If that´s the case,- how behaves the sampler´s OS not finding a floppy drive anymore ? No errors to expect ?
> 
> Next question and O.T.,- but maybe you know that:
> Does it work w/ a EMU E64 sampler too,- replacing the floppy drive w/ a MOD (I own 2 of these Fujitsu).
> 
> thx in advance
> 
> PeWe
> 
> 
> Am 06.04.2011 15:55, schrieb Rish:
> 
>>  
>> That standard card does however work with zip drives. I have converted all of my S1000 to internal SCSI zip drives and dumped the floppy. This also allows auto loading of samples when changing songs from a sequencer.
>> 
>> Rish
>> 
>> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>> 
> 
>

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by PeWe

Thanks for the additional info, Rish.

Yes,- I have latest OS in all my Akai samplers and on EPROMs,- S-1000PB, 
S-1000 and S-1100.

Am 06.04.2011 20:30, schrieb Rish:
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> With the OS your best move is to have the OS on EPROMs installed in 
> your unit, I have these as well. By doing this you never have to boot 
> with a disc of any kind, and you can save the OS to Zip when you SCSI 
> format the ZIP disc.
>
> Remember there are no boot up issues when removing the IDE floppy if 
> you use the EPROMS. All you do when you boot is point the S1000 to the 
> Zip drive.
>
> Rish
>
> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
>

Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by jaumemod

I do not know what the difference between ZIP and connect a hard drive's internal connection to the AKAI S1100, perhaps at that time there was no standard to design the position of the connections or maybe it is a design error.

In fact the issue of resistance fuse terminator was a design error in the resistance was lost.

--- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, Rish <rish@...> wrote:
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>
> That standard card does however work with zip drives. I have converted all of my S1000 to internal SCSI zip drives and dumped the floppy. This also allows auto loading of samples when changing songs from a sequencer.
> 
> Rish
> 
> Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
> 
> On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Jaume Pons <jaumemod@...> wrote:
> 
> > Well! Well scrotumtightening resolution. After many headaches, the problem is to tie a millstone and thrown in the Ebro
> > 
> > The internal SCSI connector card of Akai IB-103 is turned around, or at least is not designed in a logical relation to the standard connection of other devices.
> > 
> > If we look at a standard PIN must always read from right to left and from top to bottom, in the cable is always marked with a red streak. Well, to read the connection of the sampler card to match the standard should read the same but with a view to the left, part welded to the left of elements to the right placing the card vertically, as is installed.
> > 
> > Solution? Take a carving knife and cut the teeth of the cable connector to turn it.
> > 
> > The disk to start the sampler is started (which did not previously) and is formatted.
> > 
> >
>

Re: [akaiS1000S1100Samplers] Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.

2011-04-06 by Rish

All Akai s1000 and s1100 HD units have the hard drives attached to to the SCSI card. These cards are much bigger than the standard SCSI card. 

So installing your own HD is a bit more work but I have had great success with the i omega zip 100 SCSI drives, both internal and external. 

Rish

Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
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On Apr 6, 2011, at 4:57 PM, "jaumemod" <jaumemod@...> wrote:

> I do not know what the difference between ZIP and connect a hard drive's internal connection to the AKAI S1100, perhaps at that time there was no standard to design the position of the connections or maybe it is a design error.
> 
> In fact the issue of resistance fuse terminator was a design error in the resistance was lost.
> 
> --- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, Rish <rish@...> wrote:
> >
> > That standard card does however work with zip drives. I have converted all of my S1000 to internal SCSI zip drives and dumped the floppy. This also allows auto loading of samples when changing songs from a sequencer.
> > 
> > Rish
> > 
> > Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.
> > 
> > On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Jaume Pons <jaumemod@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Well! Well scrotumtightening resolution. After many headaches, the problem is to tie a millstone and thrown in the Ebro
> > > 
> > > The internal SCSI connector card of Akai IB-103 is turned around, or at least is not designed in a logical relation to the standard connection of other devices.
> > > 
> > > If we look at a standard PIN must always read from right to left and from top to bottom, in the cable is always marked with a red streak. Well, to read the connection of the sampler card to match the standard should read the same but with a view to the left, part welded to the left of elements to the right placing the card vertically, as is installed.
> > > 
> > > Solution? Take a carving knife and cut the teeth of the cable connector to turn it.
> > > 
> > > The disk to start the sampler is started (which did not previously) and is formatted.
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

Re: I managed to load samples! But HD still not works.PROBLEM SOLVED.

2011-04-14 by jaumemod

PROBLEM SOLVED . I formatted HD in internal conector and all SCSI drives are running through SCSI controller!!

--- In akaiS1000S1100Samplers@yahoogroups.com, Jaume Pons <jaumemod@...> wrote:
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>
> Well! Well scrotumtightening resolution. After many headaches, the problem
> is to tie a millstone and thrown in the Ebro
> 
> The internal SCSI connector card of Akai IB-103 is turned around, or at
> least is not designed in a logical relation to the standard connection of
> other devices.
> 
> If we look at a standard PIN must always read from right to left and from
> top to bottom, in the cable is always marked with a red streak. Well, to
> read the connection of the sampler card to match the standard should read the
> same but with a view to the left, part welded to the left of elements to the
> right placing the card vertically, as is installed.
> 
> Solution? Take a carving knife and cut the teeth of the cable connector to turn
> it.
> 
> The disk to start the sampler is started (which did not previously) and is
> formatted.
>

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