Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hello,

With interest I've followed this group, since the bcr is recently added to my studio of vintage gear. I've made a couple of cc-based presets for a SCI Sixtrak, a Siel EX80 and Waldorf Pulse among others. My ambition is to load a couple of sysex based presets in the BCR (such as the Kawai K4 and K3, ROland JV880 and DSI Evolver. Unfortunately I've been unable to load the presets. The BCR does seem to 'load' them but there is no reaction from any of the synths when I tweek any of the knobs. Cubase Studio is also not noticing any incoming midi data. I've got the BCR on USB mode 1.

Any idaes what I might be doing wrong?

Best regards and thanks in advance,

Pieter

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "pvanadrichem" <pvanadrichem@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> With interest I've followed this group, since the bcr is recently added to my studio of vintage gear. I've made a couple of cc-based presets for a SCI Sixtrak, a Siel EX80 and Waldorf Pulse among others. My ambition is to load a couple of sysex based presets in the BCR (such as the Kawai K4 and K3, ROland JV880 and DSI Evolver. Unfortunately I've been unable to load the presets. The BCR does seem to 'load' them but there is no reaction from any of the synths when I tweek any of the knobs. Cubase Studio is also not noticing any incoming midi data. I've got the BCR on USB mode 1.
> 
> Any idaes what I might be doing wrong?
> 
> Best regards and thanks in advance,
> 
> Pieter
>


Hi Pieter,
              I recently got a bcr2000 and have exactly the same problem with loading syx presets. I have a mac which means I don't have much software to use. My bcd will not respond to anything sending to it with USB.  I can't get any led feedback, can't update the firmware (1.10 already) and can't upload any presets. I have tried with a my laptop on osx an acer with vista and my iPad, it ignores all USB in. Any help would be much appreciated, is it common for these devices to have a USB fault? I can update it with midi but I bought it for use as a USB device. Sorry I haven't helped, but I wanted to add I have the same problems with it. Fingers crossed,

Thank you,

Jason

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "pvanadrichem" <pvanadrichem@...> wrote:
> I've made a couple of cc-based presets. My ambition is to load a couple of sysex based presets in the BCR. Unfortunately I've been unable to load the presets. The BCR does seem to 'load' them but there is no reaction from any of the synths when I tweek any of the knobs. Cubase Studio is also not noticing any incoming midi data. I've got the BCR on USB mode 1.
> 
> Any idaes what I might be doing wrong?

Does the problem occur with ALL your presets (CC-based AND sysex-based), or just the sysex-based ones?

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jiggle_uk" <jiggle.mac@...> wrote:
> I recently got a bcr2000 and have exactly the same problem with loading syx presets. I have a mac which means I don't have much software to use. My bcd will not respond to anything sending to it with USB.  I can't get any led feedback, can't update the firmware (1.10 already) and can't upload any presets. I have tried with a my laptop on osx an acer with vista and my iPad, it ignores all USB in. Any help would be much appreciated, is it common for these devices to have a USB fault? I can update it with midi but I bought it for use as a USB device.

If you can work with the BCR normally via standard MIDI but not via USB, one potential cause is that the USB controller on the BCR is defective. (This has happened to several people in this Yahoo group, including me - you can search the message archive.)
But it may be premature to conclude that it's that.

Have you set the BCR's Operating Mode to a "U-" mode (e.g. U-1)?

Does the lack of USB communication concern BOTH directions?

By the way: if the BCR's display shows "1.10" on startup, its firmware is totally fine and it is completely pointless to try to refresh it: on startup, the BCR tests its firmware against a stored checksum - if there's a mismatch, the BCR doesn't show "1.10" but goes into "noOS" mode.

Hope this helps,
Mark.

Hello and sorry for not getting back sooner,

I'm primarilly interested in the K4r, k3m, dw6000 and jv880 presets but I also downloaded Massimo's Evolver preset. The K4r, DW6000 and Evolver presets did seem to upload (lights flashing on the BCR). I must correct myself with what I said earlier: there does seem to be something incoming in Cubase when i tweek a BRC knob. However, no change in the sound. Also, when I'm checking the settings of the preset, each upper left function knob only mentions 'SPC' as midi message sort (not mentioned anywhere in the BCR manual!)

Answering Mark's question: I guess Massimo's Evolver preset is mostly CC, so the answer is yes, both with sysex AND CC messages.

Any ideas what might be wrong?

Best regards,

Pieter
--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "pvanadrichem" <pvanadrichem@> wrote:
> > I've made a couple of cc-based presets. My ambition is to load a couple of sysex based presets in the BCR. Unfortunately I've been unable to load the presets. The BCR does seem to 'load' them but there is no reaction from any of the synths when I tweek any of the knobs. Cubase Studio is also not noticing any incoming midi data. I've got the BCR on USB mode 1.
> > 
> > Any idaes what I might be doing wrong?
> 
> Does the problem occur with ALL your presets (CC-based AND sysex-based), or just the sysex-based ones?
>

Hi Mark,

No, Cubase does 'see' the BCR when it's connected over USB. Since the BCR reacts when I's sending data over with SendSX, I guess there is some contact, but i might be corrupted?

Best & thanks,

Pieter

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jiggle_uk" <jiggle.mac@> wrote:
> > I recently got a bcr2000 and have exactly the same problem with loading syx presets. I have a mac which means I don't have much software to use. My bcd will not respond to anything sending to it with USB.  I can't get any led feedback, can't update the firmware (1.10 already) and can't upload any presets. I have tried with a my laptop on osx an acer with vista and my iPad, it ignores all USB in. Any help would be much appreciated, is it common for these devices to have a USB fault? I can update it with midi but I bought it for use as a USB device.
> 
> If you can work with the BCR normally via standard MIDI but not via USB, one potential cause is that the USB controller on the BCR is defective. (This has happened to several people in this Yahoo group, including me - you can search the message archive.)
> But it may be premature to conclude that it's that.
> 
> Have you set the BCR's Operating Mode to a "U-" mode (e.g. U-1)?
> 
> Does the lack of USB communication concern BOTH directions?
> 
> By the way: if the BCR's display shows "1.10" on startup, its firmware is totally fine and it is completely pointless to try to refresh it: on startup, the BCR tests its firmware against a stored checksum - if there's a mismatch, the BCR doesn't show "1.10" but goes into "noOS" mode.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark.
>

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "pvanadrichem" <pvanadrichem@...> wrote:
> Any ideas what might be wrong?

Assuming that the USB connection works correctly both ways, there may be something wrong with the content of your presets or the way you're handling them.
For instance:
- you don't actually save your presets on the BCR as memory presets
- you do save your presets on the BCR as memory presets, but "forget" to activate them as the "temporary preset" (which is the only preset that can actually SEND data)
For a few tips on these matters, you may wish to look at the FAQ -> "MIDI communication" section of the BC Manager Manual (even if you're not using BC Manager).

To investigate what (if anything) is transmitted via USB (in particular FROM the BCR), you can use a MIDI message sniffer (if that's the right term...), e.g. (on Windows) MIDI-OX or my own MIDI Tools or BC Manager.

By the way: how are you connecting your (hardware?) synths?
In operating mode U-1 the BCR outputs all its MIDI messages to the computer via the USB connection, NOT to its "real" MIDI output sockets (you'd need to switch to an S-mode for that).

Hope this helps,
Mark.

I had got this SPC message (in BCR2000 display) before.
What I found is this invariably related to me using the "Update changed" from the BCManager.

If I changed to sending the full sysex, all the presets would load as expected. By "full" I think I mean the mode that sends a plethora of the .tx strings for each preset rather than the just the deltas.

That is from the BCManager there are multiple ways to transfer the presets from host. You may like to try each of them to see if any work for you.

The BCManager software works well under Wine (on linux). And others say it works well under Mac for them.

What happens if you load the syx dump into the BCManager software?
Does the mapping (look at the layout GUI then examine any special mappings if necessary -- particularly the encoders/buttons that you are having trouble with).
Do they look kosher?
Are they corrupt in some way?

What if you then use Mark's midi-sniffer tool to see what BCManager sends to the BCR ... again any odd looking transfer that might point to trouble?

Regards

Steve H

PS I have a K1r ... any idea if the template _might_ work for K1r?
Or could be used as a basis for the K1r??

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "pvanadrichem" <pvanadrichem@...> wrote:

>
> Hello and sorry for not getting back sooner,
> 
> I'm primarilly interested in the K4r, k3m, dw6000 and jv880 presets but I also downloaded Massimo's Evolver preset. The K4r, DW6000 and Evolver presets did seem to upload (lights flashing on the BCR). I must correct myself with what I said earlier: there does seem to be something incoming in Cubase when i tweek a BRC knob. However, no change in the sound. Also, when I'm checking the settings of the preset, each upper left function knob only mentions 'SPC' as midi message sort (not mentioned anywhere in the BCR manual!)
> 
> Answering Mark's question: I guess Massimo's Evolver preset is mostly CC, so the answer is yes, both with sysex AND CC messages.
> 
> Any ideas what might be wrong?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Pieter
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "pvanadrichem" <pvanadrichem@> wrote:
> > > I've made a couple of cc-based presets. My ambition is to load a couple of sysex based presets in the BCR. Unfortunately I've been unable to load the presets. The BCR does seem to 'load' them but there is no reaction from any of the synths when I tweek any of the knobs. Cubase Studio is also not noticing any incoming midi data. I've got the BCR on USB mode 1.
> > > 
> > > Any idaes what I might be doing wrong?
> > 
> > Does the problem occur with ALL your presets (CC-based AND sysex-based), or just the sysex-based ones?
> >
>

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@... wrote:
> I had got this SPC message (in BCR2000 display) before.
> What I found is this invariably related to me using the "Update changed" from the BCManager.
> 
> If I changed to sending the full sysex, all the presets would load as expected. By "full" I think I mean the mode that sends a plethora of the .tx strings for each preset rather than the just the deltas.

I'm rather mystified by "SPC".
I can see it within the BCR's firmware code, but I don't know how exactly it is triggered.
I suspect it's short for "SPACE", which seems to indicate that the preset being uploaded is somehow too big; that might then explain why the preset doesn't work.
So it would be nice if someone could come up with a preset that consistently triggers "SPC": I could then try to find out exactly what's going wrong here.

By "Update changed" you are referring to "Send modified data" from the "B-Controls" window?
If "SPC" indeed only occurs during this particular operation, there might be a bug in it.

Mark.

Hi Mark

If i get the opportunity I will try to repro with steps - I figured it was something i did wrong. And like when you see the doctor - "when I do this it hurts" . "so stop doing it!"

I do want to thank you, Royce and other unsung heroes for figuring this stuff out.
I am tempted to visit ARM in Maidenhead (where i work) to find out how to make a S14 rather than just the A14. But with your tools I have sufficient knobs / buttons.

Tot ziens
Steve H
--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> > I had got this SPC message (in BCR2000 display) before.
> > What I found is this invariably related to me using the "Update changed" from the BCManager.
> > 
> > If I changed to sending the full sysex, all the presets would load as expected. By "full" I think I mean the mode that sends a plethora of the .tx strings for each preset rather than the just the deltas.
> 
> I'm rather mystified by "SPC".
> I can see it within the BCR's firmware code, but I don't know how exactly it is triggered.
> I suspect it's short for "SPACE", which seems to indicate that the preset being uploaded is somehow too big; that might then explain why the preset doesn't work.
> So it would be nice if someone could come up with a preset that consistently triggers "SPC": I could then try to find out exactly what's going wrong here.
> 
> By "Update changed" you are referring to "Send modified data" from the "B-Controls" window?
> If "SPC" indeed only occurs during this particular operation, there might be a bug in it.
> 
> Mark.
>