Elektron Musical Instruments

I would like to assign reverb to a track i have on the MnM. I looked 
throught the manual and tried to assign the FX to a track and didnt 
hear any effects. Am i missing something?

This is, in fact, a very good question.  I have added it to the  
elektron-users.com Monomachine FAQ.

http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=3#q60

/Scott


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> I would like to assign reverb to a track i have on the MnM. I looked
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May I ask your reasoning for having the SID route to AB as well as the 
verb in your example?  I don't do this for 'typical' reverb 
implementations.

On May 6, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Scott Kellogg wrote:

> This is, in fact, a very good question.  I have added it to the
> elektron-users.com Monomachine FAQ.
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> On May 4, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Mark wrote:
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Ah, good point.

That's so I can listen to AB + Mix in headphones.

On May 6, 2005, at 9:34 PM, damon wrote:

> May I ask your reasoning for having the SID route to AB as well as the
> verb in your example?  I don't do this for 'typical' reverb
> implementations.
>
> On May 6, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Scott Kellogg wrote:
>
>
>> This is, in fact, a very good question.  I have added it to the
>> elektron-users.com Monomachine FAQ.
>>
>> http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=3#q60
>>
>> /Scott
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>> On May 4, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Mark wrote:
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>>> I would like to assign reverb to a track i have on the MnM. I looked
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Last night I saw Autechre perform live here in NYC.
The first thing I noticed was the red glow of a
MachineDrum on the left side of their set up. I think
it was Booth working it (although I'm not certain),
but he basically was using it non-stop through their
set. As you can imagine (although I'm sure a lot of
you already knew this), ae live is pretty amazing. I
was kind of surprised how "straight up" their music
was, but really, when you're autechre you don't really
need to show anybody you know how to slice up beats,
so it was kind of refreshing to hear them more into a
simpler set of tracks with tons of  stuff played live
and their old school melodies running up and down your
head. 
Note to Elektron: If you haven't already given Ae all
your machines to play with for free, then you should
give them 1 million EU just for showcasing them live
on stage. 
Sr.Minimo

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr. Minimo" <srminimo@y...> wrote:
> I
> was kind of surprised how "straight up" their music
> was, but really, when you're autechre you don't really
> need to show anybody you know how to slice up beats,

good point!  I saw them in Philly this past Saturday (and I wish I
could go out to Chicago to see them this coming Friday).  I did a
short review of it over at Elektron-users.   here's the link:
http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=238&forum=1

We went to listen Autechre sound in Marseille (south of France)two 
weeks ago and it was great, even my girlfriend who doesn't like 
electronique music enjoyed this concert. My bestfriend bought a MD one 
week after the concert!!! Unfortunately the DJ playing before and 
after Autechre was crap...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr. Minimo" <srminimo@y...> 
wrote:
> > I
> > was kind of surprised how "straight up" their music
> > was, but really, when you're autechre you don't really
> > need to show anybody you know how to slice up beats,
> 
> good point!  I saw them in Philly this past Saturday (and I wish I
> could go out to Chicago to see them this coming Friday).  I did a
> short review of it over at Elektron-users.   here's the link:
> http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?
topic_id=238&forum=1

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr. Minimo" <srminimo@y...> wrote:
> Note to Elektron: If you haven't already given Ae all
> your machines to play with for free, then you should
> give them 1 million EU just for showcasing them live
> on stage. 

...just a note on that: we _never_ give stuff away for promotion.
We've been approached by quite some big names, or rather their
secretaries, asking for some kind of promotional deals. But our
thought is that if there is anyone who can afford paying it's them -
and also, if you see someone using our stuff it's because they really
want to, noone payed them for it.

For me it just takes the cred away when I read that Basement Jaxx used
a ton of Roland equipment, but just because they were handed them free
from Roland and don't really care about them.

Of course we're very happy Authecre seems to base their whole live gig
on the MD and the Mono SFX-60, but even more so knowing they payed the
full price and thought it was worth it!

Best,

Daniel

That's all good with me, but please never compare
Autechre to Basement Jaxx again... or Elektron to
Roland, for that matter.
Sr.M\ufffdnimo




--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr. Minimo"
> <srminimo@y...> wrote:
> > Note to Elektron: If you haven't already given Ae
> all
> > your machines to play with for free, then you
> should
> > give them 1 million EU just for showcasing them
> live
> > on stage. 
> 
> ...just a note on that: we _never_ give stuff away
> for promotion.
> We've been approached by quite some big names, or
> rather their
> secretaries, asking for some kind of promotional
> deals. But our
> thought is that if there is anyone who can afford
> paying it's them -
> and also, if you see someone using our stuff it's
> because they really
> want to, noone payed them for it.
> 
> For me it just takes the cred away when I read that
> Basement Jaxx used
> a ton of Roland equipment, but just because they
> were handed them free
> from Roland and don't really care about them.
> 
> Of course we're very happy Authecre seems to base
> their whole live gig
> on the MD and the Mono SFX-60, but even more so
> knowing they payed the
> full price and thought it was worth it!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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--- Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:

>
> 
> good point!  I saw them in Philly this past Saturday
> (and I wish I
> could go out to Chicago to see them this coming
> Friday).  I did a
> short review of it over at Elektron-users.   here's
> the link:
>
http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=238&forum=1
> 
> 
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>  Thanks for the tip, and the link.

I hate you.  ;-)

>     --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr. Minimo"  wrote:
>  ...just a note on that: we _never_ give stuff away for promotion.
>  We've been approached by quite some big names, or rather their
>  secretaries, asking for some kind of promotional deals. But our
>  thought is that if there is anyone who can afford paying it's them -
>  and also, if you see someone using our stuff it's because they really
>  want to, noone payed them for it.

well said!  I always thought that it was unfair that big name artists get
lots of free gear...they have the money to pay full price, we paid for
their records and concert tickets to give them that money AND the cost of
giving them that free gear will be aggregated into the cost of the gear
when we want to purchase it!  not very fair at all.  so it's nice (though
not surprising) to hear that Elektron is very grounded on this.

>  Of course we're very happy Authecre seems to base their whole live gig
>  on the MD and the Mono SFX-60, but even more so knowing they payed the
>  full price and thought it was worth it!

it's funny to me that Autechre was interviewed in the very same SOS issue
that gave the MnM a mediocre review, finding quite a few gripes with it. 
I wonder if that's how they found out how sweet the MnM is....:-)

>>
>
> it's funny to me that Autechre was interviewed in the very same SOS  
> issue
> that gave the MnM a mediocre review, finding quite a few gripes  
> with it.
>

Are you talking about the Paul Nagle review?  I thought it was quite  
favorable.

Why not, they are both Music acts and both Music Manufacturers.  There 
are comparisons to be made.
I sure hope that ones better then the other, but it does seem like a 
relevant comparison to me...


Dave


Sr. Minimo wrote:

>That's all good with me, but please never compare
>Autechre to Basement Jaxx again... or Elektron to
>Roland, for that matter.
>Sr.M\ufffdnimo
>
>
>
>
>--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr. Minimo"
>><srminimo@y...> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Note to Elektron: If you haven't already given Ae
>>>      
>>>
>>all
>>    
>>
>>>your machines to play with for free, then you
>>>      
>>>
>>should
>>    
>>
>>>give them 1 million EU just for showcasing them
>>>      
>>>
>>live
>>    
>>
>>>on stage. 
>>>      
>>>
>>...just a note on that: we _never_ give stuff away
>>for promotion.
>>We've been approached by quite some big names, or
>>rather their
>>secretaries, asking for some kind of promotional
>>deals. But our
>>thought is that if there is anyone who can afford
>>paying it's them -
>>and also, if you see someone using our stuff it's
>>because they really
>>want to, noone payed them for it.
>>
>>For me it just takes the cred away when I read that
>>Basement Jaxx used
>>a ton of Roland equipment, but just because they
>>were handed them free
>>from Roland and don't really care about them.
>>
>>Of course we're very happy Authecre seems to base
>>their whole live gig
>>on the MD and the Mono SFX-60, but even more so
>>knowing they payed the
>>full price and thought it was worth it!
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Daniel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>

>  Are you talking about the Paul Nagle review?  I thought it was quite
>  favorable.

it was OK.  but he did take a couple pokes at it for weird things.  the FM
review was WAY more favorable; it got a platinum award and the review
ended with them essentially saying "I can't live without this."  and they
liked it so much that they had a contest to win an SFX-6.

so I guess I just meant that by comparison, it wasn't that great of a review.

last night i saw them in boston. whooo! had me dancing (!) the whole
time! imagine that--dancing at an autechre show! 
seriously, their set was superb, fun, sick, etc. and i reveled in the
fact that i've made a few of the same sounds! (most, of course, were
completely out of my jurisdiction!) they still brought the barrage of
sound that i've known and loved them to do in the live setting, but it
felt less serious, more down-to-earth than the last time they played
in boston (2001, both stared at laptops the whole time). even mr.
booth on the elektron gear was head-nodding the whole time. they made
good use of the MD's ability to punch you in the gut with a kick drum,
among many other things...... and i was awed by their virtuosity with
whatever instrument they touch.

anyone record it? pretty please?

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr. Minimo" <srminimo@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > I
> > > was kind of surprised how "straight up" their music
> > > was, but really, when you're autechre you don't really
> > > need to show anybody you know how to slice up beats,
> > 
> > good point!  I saw them in Philly this past Saturday (and I wish I
> > could go out to Chicago to see them this coming Friday).  I did a
> > short review of it over at Elektron-users.   here's the link:
> > http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?
> topic_id=238&forum=1

On 5/9/05 2:45 PM, "Sr. Minimo" wrote:

> Last night I saw Autechre perform live here in NYC.
> The first thing I noticed was the red glow of a
> MachineDrum on the left side of their set up. I think
> it was Booth working it (although I'm not certain),
> but he basically was using it non-stop through their
> set. As you can imagine (although I'm sure a lot of
> you already knew this), ae live is pretty amazing. I
> was kind of surprised how "straight up" their music
> was, but really, when you're autechre you don't really
> need to show anybody you know how to slice up beats,
> so it was kind of refreshing to hear them more into a
> simpler set of tracks with tons of  stuff played live
> and their old school melodies running up and down your
> head. 
> Note to Elektron: If you haven't already given Ae all
> your machines to play with for free, then you should
> give them 1 million EU just for showcasing them live
> on stage. 
> Sr.Minimo


Crazy, I've heard from fans that have seen them recently and said it was the
most boring, dull show they ever went to...

This is why:
In the past 15 years Roland has basically tried to
sell us their sound canvas 150 different ways. Their
whole approach to making music machines is to put out
sounds for the more mainstream producers of electronic
music, and for the less discerning, in many instances.
Heck, their 3 most famous machines - 808, 909, 303,
we're basically mistakes to their eyes, as they did
not accomplish what they wanted. Elektron, on the
other hand, has precisely the opposite approach to
making instruments. Machines that are well
constructed, that have the ability to create new
sounds, and that make no compromises.
The same comparison can be made between Basement Jaxx
and Autechre.

--- D B <dave@...> wrote:

> Why not, they are both Music acts and both Music
> Manufacturers.  There 
> are comparisons to be made.
> I sure hope that ones better then the other, but it
> does seem like a 
> relevant comparison to me...
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> Sr. Minimo wrote:
> 
> >That's all good with me, but please never compare
> >Autechre to Basement Jaxx again... or Elektron to
> >Roland, for that matter.
> >Sr.M\ufffdnimo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sr.
> Minimo"
> >><srminimo@y...> wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Note to Elektron: If you haven't already given Ae
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>all
> >>    
> >>
> >>>your machines to play with for free, then you
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>should
> >>    
> >>
> >>>give them 1 million EU just for showcasing them
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>live
> >>    
> >>
> >>>on stage. 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>...just a note on that: we _never_ give stuff away
> >>for promotion.
> >>We've been approached by quite some big names, or
> >>rather their
> >>secretaries, asking for some kind of promotional
> >>deals. But our
> >>thought is that if there is anyone who can afford
> >>paying it's them -
> >>and also, if you see someone using our stuff it's
> >>because they really
> >>want to, noone payed them for it.
> >>
> >>For me it just takes the cred away when I read
> that
> >>Basement Jaxx used
> >>a ton of Roland equipment, but just because they
> >>were handed them free
> >>from Roland and don't really care about them.
> >>
> >>Of course we're very happy Authecre seems to base
> >>their whole live gig
> >>on the MD and the Mono SFX-60, but even more so
> >>knowing they payed the
> >>full price and thought it was worth it!
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>
> >>Daniel
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 


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> This is why:
> In the past 15 years Roland has basically tried to
> sell us their sound canvas 150 different ways. Their
> whole approach to making music machines is to put out
> sounds for the more mainstream producers of electronic
> music, and for the less discerning, in many instances.
> Heck, their 3 most famous machines - 808, 909, 303,
> we're basically mistakes to their eyes, as they did
> not accomplish what they wanted. Elektron, on the
> other hand, has precisely the opposite approach to
> making instruments. Machines that are well
> constructed, that have the ability to create new
> sounds, and that make no compromises.
> The same comparison can be made between Basement Jaxx
> and Autechre.

Yes but the 808, 909 and 303 have been genre defining machines.
May be Basement Jaxx have done some great tunes as well?

>  Yes but the 808, 909 and 303 have been genre defining machines.

as have Autechre.

>  May be Basement Jaxx have done some great tunes as well?

probably by mistake, just like Roland ;-)

I have a friend who saw them in Philly and said basically the same  
thing.

c.

On May 10, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Andy Tarpinian wrote:

> Crazy, I've heard from fans that have seen them recently and said  
> it was the
> most boring, dull show they ever went to...
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The variety of opinions expressed about Autechre's live performance  
serves to illustrate that the perception of music is subjective.

Or, in other words, ask four people about the Autechre show and  
you'll get five opinions.

On May 10, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Corey Appleby wrote:

>
> I have a friend who saw them in Philly and said basically the same
> thing.
>
> c.
>
> On May 10, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Andy Tarpinian wrote:
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--- jmelnyk@... wrote:

> >  Yes but the 808, 909 and 303 have been genre
> defining machines.
> 
> as have Autechre.
> 
> >  May be Basement Jaxx have done some great tunes
> as well?
> 
> probably by mistake, just like Roland ;-)
> 

Hey, don't get me wrong.  I respect Basement Jaxx as
fine producers that they certainly are. And Roland
also deserves respect for their influence on modern
music. It's just that, as they stand right now,
neither is really my cup of tea. thass all...


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>>  May be Basement Jaxx have done some great tunes as well?
>>
>
> probably by mistake, just like Roland ;-)

Sometimes the biggest discoveries happen by mistake. ;-)

>  I have a friend who saw them in Philly and said basically the same
>  thing.

I was there!  :-)  I drove six hours to see it (plus two hours of philly
traffic) and it was well worth it.  the Philly crowd was weird;  was your
friend one of the hundreds of people that left halfway through ae's set? 
I don't get that...but whatever.  the first half was pretty danceable, the
second started to get more and more out there.  by the end it was a total
headfuck and I have no idea how they did it with the MD/MnM (and I know
those machines inside and out, literally).  so maybe the people who
thought it was lame/boring were the ones that would have liked the second
half, but left before they could experience it...

the funny thing is that every time Shawn would grab the retrig param and
tweak it, people cheered and went apeshit.  so they should have just done
that for hours and people would have loved them! :-)

I, for one, didn't need Autechre or anyone else to tell me that the MD 
and the Mono are good kit.  I decide that for myself - they make sense 
to me, so it sorts.  NIN's touring with an Andromeda, and I wouldn't 
touch that thing with a yardstick.  Gear is as subjective as clothes 
and curry.  And music.

Can we move on, trainspotters?

On May 10, 2005, at 5:45 PM, damon wrote:

>  Can we move on, trainspotters?

geez, man.  sorry to be a geek about seeing one of my all-time favorite 
bands use one of my all-time favorite bits of kit.  I mean, excuse me 
for being enthusiastic...  what the hell's wrong with me?!?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nothing at all.

On May 10, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Joseph Melnyk wrote:

>
> On May 10, 2005, at 5:45 PM, damon wrote:
>
>>  Can we move on, trainspotters?
>
> geez, man.  sorry to be a geek about seeing one of my all-time favorite
> bands use one of my all-time favorite bits of kit.  I mean, excuse me
> for being enthusiastic...  what the hell's wrong with me?!?
>
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Hrm... It isn't the first time I've heard it on the list, re why 
Elektron should be thanking/praising Autechre et al, but I have to say 
-- it really should be the other way around. Autechre wouldn't exist 
with out the gear. The reverse is not true.

Mark

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Mark Rivera <marr@l...> wrote:
> Hrm... It isn't the first time I've heard it on the list, re why 
> Elektron should be thanking/praising Autechre et al, but I have to 
say 
> -- it really should be the other way around. Autechre wouldn't exist 
> with out the gear. The reverse is not true.
> 
> Mark

^^^Burn!

>  ^^^Burn!

how's that a burn?  what band would exist without gear?

Must.  Not.  Fan.  Flames ...

On May 11, 2005, at 12:16 PM, jmelnyk@... wrote:

>>  ^^^Burn!
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> how's that a burn?  what band would exist without gear?
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On 5/11/05 10:29 AM, "Mark Rivera" wrote:

> Hrm... It isn't the first time I've heard it on the list, re why
> Elektron should be thanking/praising Autechre et al, but I have to say
> -- it really should be the other way around. Autechre wouldn't exist
> with out the gear. The reverse is not true.

Yea it is, elekton wouldn't exist if no one bought the gear! :)

Autechre could always use pots and pans worse came to worse.

What are you saying?  Without gear they wouldn't be musicians? or they 
should be thankful elektron made the gear?  How about saying "without their 
talent and sacrifice they wouldn't exist".

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Mark Rivera" <marr@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:29 AM
Subject: [elektron] Re: Autechre Live


> Hrm... It isn't the first time I've heard it on the list, re why
> Elektron should be thanking/praising Autechre et al, but I have to say
> -- it really should be the other way around. Autechre wouldn't exist
> with out the gear. The reverse is not true.
>
> Mark
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Which came first? the chicken or the egg?
Can we get off this Autechre thing?
It's not like they're the only big artists that use elektron gear.

> What are you saying?  Without gear they wouldn't be musicians? or they
> should be thankful elektron made the gear?  How about saying "without 
> their
> talent and sacrifice they wouldn't exist".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Rivera" <marr@...>
> To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:29 AM
> Subject: [elektron] Re: Autechre Live
>
>
>> Hrm... It isn't the first time I've heard it on the list, re why
>> Elektron should be thanking/praising Autechre et al, but I have to say
>> -- it really should be the other way around. Autechre wouldn't exist
>> with out the gear. The reverse is not true.
>>
>> Mark
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I agree, the FM review was much better, the SOS feature came off a bit 
snobby.

> it was OK.  but he did take a couple pokes at it for weird things.  
> the FM
> review was WAY more favorable; it got a platinum award and the review
> ended with them essentially saying "I can't live without this."  and 
> they
> liked it so much that they had a contest to win an SFX-6.
>
> so I guess I just meant that by comparison, it wasn't that great of a 
> review.
>
>
>

are we positing that the review's quality is related to how
favourable it is?

sb: in what ways was the _sos_ review snobbish?

unattributed sender: what weird things did it get poked for,
then?


On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:02:08PM -0400, sean brennan wrote:
> I agree, the FM review was much better, the SOS feature came off a bit 
> snobby.
> 
> 
> > it was OK.  but he did take a couple pokes at it for weird things.  
> > the FM
> > review was WAY more favorable; it got a platinum award and the review
> > ended with them essentially saying "I can't live without this."  and 
> > they
> > liked it so much that they had a contest to win an SFX-6.
> >
> > so I guess I just meant that by comparison, it wasn't that great of a 
> > review.

-- 
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> are we positing that the review's quality is related to how
> favourable it is?
Not my intention, overall it was an in depth review.

> : in what ways was the _sos_ review snobbish?
I felt that the Quasimidi polymorph gripe was a bit much and saying the 
cheesy 80's tune wasn't a good introduction wasn't needed.  I hate lots 
of presets on my gear and that's why i erase them all and spend a few 
months working on the studio-tan and sounddiving and would never let 
something like that influence my opinion of a piece of gear.
I think these machines are perfect regardless of extra noise or lack of 
triplets.
Besides, I'm with machinedrum, and he's good mates with mono, and if 
you got a problem with them then you got a problem with me!

s

>
> unattributed sender: what weird things did it get poked for,
> then?
>
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:02:08PM -0400, sean brennan wrote:
>> I agree, the FM review was much better, the SOS feature came off a bit
>> snobby.
>>
>>
>>> it was OK.  but he did take a couple pokes at it for weird things.
>>> the FM
>>> review was WAY more favorable; it got a platinum award and the review
>>> ended with them essentially saying "I can't live without this."  and
>>> they
>>> liked it so much that they had a contest to win an SFX-6.
>>>
>>> so I guess I just meant that by comparison, it wasn't that great of a
>>> review.
>
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
> .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .               
>   .
> aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around 
> silence.
> http://syncretism.net
> .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, jmelnyk@c... wrote:
> >  ^^^Burn!
> 
> how's that a burn?  what band would exist without gear?

I meant it as a burn to AE -- with all the praise for AE in this and 
other forums, it was a humourously insightful comment that they (or 
other bands) wouldn't even exist w/o the gear manufacturers . . .

No harm intended!

ao.

>     --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, jmelnyk@c... wrote:
>  I meant it as a burn to AE -- with all the praise for AE in this and
>  other forums, it was a humourously insightful comment that they (or
>  other bands) wouldn't even exist w/o the gear manufacturers . . .
>
>  No harm intended!

none taken!  I just thought it was a rather obvious point to try and
make...like saying a mechanic wouldn't exist without his tools.

Perhaps an "obvious point" was obviously needed.

>>     --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, jmelnyk@c... wrote:
>>  I meant it as a burn to AE -- with all the praise for AE in this and
>>  other forums, it was a humourously insightful comment that they (or
>>  other bands) wouldn't even exist w/o the gear manufacturers . . .
>>
>>  No harm intended!
>
> none taken!  I just thought it was a rather obvious point to try and
> make...like saying a mechanic wouldn't exist without his tools.
>
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>     Perhaps an "obvious point" was obviously needed.

well, I guess.  it still seems completely unnecessary to me, but whatever...

And I am with you... I got your back yo!

-M


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, sean brennan
<suburbanballistic@e...> wrote:
> 
> > are we positing that the review's quality is related to how
> > favourable it is?
> Not my intention, overall it was an in depth review.
> 
> > : in what ways was the _sos_ review snobbish?
> I felt that the Quasimidi polymorph gripe was a bit much and saying the 
> cheesy 80's tune wasn't a good introduction wasn't needed.  I hate lots 
> of presets on my gear and that's why i erase them all and spend a few 
> months working on the studio-tan and sounddiving and would never let 
> something like that influence my opinion of a piece of gear.
> I think these machines are perfect regardless of extra noise or lack of 
> triplets.
> Besides, I'm with machinedrum, and he's good mates with mono, and if 
> you got a problem with them then you got a problem with me!
> 
> s
> 
> >
> > unattributed sender: what weird things did it get poked for,
> > then?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:02:08PM -0400, sean brennan wrote:
> >> I agree, the FM review was much better, the SOS feature came off
a bit
> >> snobby.
> >>
> >>
> >>> it was OK.  but he did take a couple pokes at it for weird things.
> >>> the FM
> >>> review was WAY more favorable; it got a platinum award and the
review
> >>> ended with them essentially saying "I can't live without this."  and
> >>> they
> >>> liked it so much that they had a contest to win an SFX-6.
> >>>
> >>> so I guess I just meant that by comparison, it wasn't that great
of a

> >>> review.
> >
> > -- 
> > yours,
> > niall.
> > .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .         
     
> >   .
> > aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around 
> > silence.
> > http://syncretism.net
> > .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
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And you got good ol' sidstaion brining up the rear beating em down with his
cane!

I thought the review in SOS was good, all things considered. They could have
torn it apart, preying on its specs etc.. But they "got" the machine I
thought. I think they could have gone on about the absolute brilliance and
complete easy of use of the machine as a whole, especially using it to
sequence other gear.

Basically they were like it's weird, if you weird you will be very happy
being weird together.

-andy

On 5/12/05 3:33 PM, "finite_sf" wrote:

> And I am with you... I got your back yo!
> 
> -M
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, sean brennan
> <suburbanballistic@e...> wrote:
>> 
>>> are we positing that the review's quality is related to how
>>> favourable it is?
>> Not my intention, overall it was an in depth review.
>> 
>>> : in what ways was the _sos_ review snobbish?
>> I felt that the Quasimidi polymorph gripe was a bit much and saying the
>> cheesy 80's tune wasn't a good introduction wasn't needed.  I hate lots
>> of presets on my gear and that's why i erase them all and spend a few
>> months working on the studio-tan and sounddiving and would never let
>> something like that influence my opinion of a piece of gear.
>> I think these machines are perfect regardless of extra noise or lack of
>> triplets.
>> Besides, I'm with machinedrum, and he's good mates with mono, and if
>> you got a problem with them then you got a problem with me!
>> 
>> s

>
> Basically they were like it's weird, if you weird you will be very  
> happy
> being weird together.
>

And this was precisely what prompted me to buy it!

/Scott

ORANGE

On May 12, 2005, at 12:09 PM, jmelnyk@... wrote:

>>     Perhaps an "obvious point" was obviously needed.
>
> well, I guess.  it still seems completely unnecessary to me, but 
> whatever...
>
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LOL no wonder I get along with my MnM so well... BTW any one have the
link to the SoS review of the MnM?


Thanks in advance!
-M


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:

> >
> > Basically they were like it's weird, if you weird you will be very  
> > happy
> > being weird together.
> >
> 
> And this was precisely what prompted me to buy it!
> 
> /Scott

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr04/articles/elektronmonomachine.htm

Paul Nagle is cool.  He's been around for a long time.

On May 12, 2005, at 3:37 PM, finite_sf wrote:

> LOL no wonder I get along with my MnM so well... BTW any one have the
> link to the SoS review of the MnM?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> -M
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...>  
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Basically they were like it's weird, if you weird you will be very
>>> happy
>>> being weird together.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And this was precisely what prompted me to buy it!
>>
>> /Scott
>>
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> Paul Nagle is cool.  He's been around for a long time.

He's certainly honest!  Which is more than you can say for some music 
journalists.
I swear some of them are planted by big corporations to coax us into 
buying their brand.

grrrr big brother is watching!

>
> On May 12, 2005, at 3:37 PM, finite_sf wrote:
>
>> LOL no wonder I get along with my MnM so well... BTW any one have the
>> link to the SoS review of the MnM?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> -M
>>
>>
>> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Basically they were like it's weird, if you weird you will be very
>>>> happy
>>>> being weird together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And this was precisely what prompted me to buy it!
>>>
>>> /Scott
>>>
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I liked the review... he was able to grasp the concept quickly... and
even gave some good tips.

-M

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, sean brennan
<suburbanballistic@e...> wrote:

> > Paul Nagle is cool.  He's been around for a long time.
> 
> He's certainly honest!  Which is more than you can say for some music 
> journalists.
> I swear some of them are planted by big corporations to coax us into 
> buying their brand.
> 
> grrrr big brother is watching!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > On May 12, 2005, at 3:37 PM, finite_sf wrote:
> >
> >> LOL no wonder I get along with my MnM so well... BTW any one have the
> >> link to the SoS review of the MnM?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance!
> >> -M
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Basically they were like it's weird, if you weird you will be very
> >>>> happy
> >>>> being weird together.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> And this was precisely what prompted me to buy it!
> >>>
> >>> /Scott
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > - Joe Melnyk
> >
> >
> >
> >
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On May 13, 2005, at 6:58 PM, finite_sf wrote:

> I liked the review... he was able to grasp the concept quickly... and
>  even gave some good tips.

I re-read it.  I was a bit off on my comment before.  it is a pretty 
damn good review.
I didn't remember it being as good as it is.  the FM one is still more 
glowing, though.
I think I'm just used to people being totally infatuated with the MnM; 
so when he
didn't go ape-shit over it, but still did like it and said good things, 
it caught me a bit
off guard I guess.  my bad!  ;-)

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