Emax

hi group. i hope to document my agony for others to learn from. this has gone way beyond 'out of control'. maybe someone here can help. 

i now have: 
-a Baldwin IKE (worked fine for years via floppy)
(it now has the right scsi chips and added 5380 scsi chip) 
-two TEAC PCD-50b drives set to termination and scsi 0, 50 pin scsi cable (always minding pin 1 direction)
-power soldered in for the above drive, verified with multimeter
-pcmcia to cardflash adapter
-two of the 1gb kingston card flashs, inserted at various times. 
-two slim floppy drives.
-properly formatted floppys from EMXP 2.1.1
-the os 1.0 plus

since there was no spare molex connection for the TEAC drive, i metered out the floppy power cable and added one in there at the mobo. the first one smoked at the molex so i quickly shut it down and rewired it. i booted from floppy, and tried to format. initially i thought something was fried because i didnt see any LED activity lights on the TEAC drive. i ordered another one, which the cool guy at a4000t sent me. it also did the same thing. 

i tried both new slim floppy drives (TEAC also) and neither work. they get stuck at "loading software"

now the poor thing wont even boot with its OEM floppy drive. it just sits there with "disk not formatted" over and over. it even gives a new bizarre "click of death" when it does this. in fact, it does this with a floppy out of the bay. this is obviously bad news.  

i have tried about 15 floppies, all formatted via EMXP-- which has worked fine in the past. no go now, however.  
trying another method, EMXP wont format the CF card because it says "not compatible with emax"


keep in mind i DID this once for an emulator 3, so im probably not being stupid. i didnt have near this many problems.

using wrong os 

and have you got slimfloppy convertors as you di not mention it

cant format cf cards for emax with emxp dont work you need to format them with the emax for you to write imagesto it

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: soundsubs 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:51 PM
  Subject: [emax] Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


    
  hi group. i hope to document my agony for others to learn from. this has gone way beyond 'out of control'. maybe someone here can help. 

  i now have: 
  -a Baldwin IKE (worked fine for years via floppy)
  (it now has the right scsi chips and added 5380 scsi chip) 
  -two TEAC PCD-50b drives set to termination and scsi 0, 50 pin scsi cable (always minding pin 1 direction)
  -power soldered in for the above drive, verified with multimeter
  -pcmcia to cardflash adapter
  -two of the 1gb kingston card flashs, inserted at various times. 
  -two slim floppy drives.
  -properly formatted floppys from EMXP 2.1.1
  -the os 1.0 plus

  since there was no spare molex connection for the TEAC drive, i metered out the floppy power cable and added one in there at the mobo. the first one smoked at the molex so i quickly shut it down and rewired it. i booted from floppy, and tried to format. initially i thought something was fried because i didnt see any LED activity lights on the TEAC drive. i ordered another one, which the cool guy at a4000t sent me. it also did the same thing. 

  i tried both new slim floppy drives (TEAC also) and neither work. they get stuck at "loading software"

  now the poor thing wont even boot with its OEM floppy drive. it just sits there with "disk not formatted" over and over. it even gives a new bizarre "click of death" when it does this. in fact, it does this with a floppy out of the bay. this is obviously bad news. 

  i have tried about 15 floppies, all formatted via EMXP-- which has worked fine in the past. no go now, however. 
  trying another method, EMXP wont format the CF card because it says "not compatible with emax"

  keep in mind i DID this once for an emulator 3, so im probably not being stupid. i didnt have near this many problems. 



  

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It has been said many times to use small flash like 32 or 64MB.
You will have varied success with a large flash like 1GB.

Where you smoked the molex, you probably damaged that PCD-50b doing it.
Have you tried them in a PC with SCSI to verify operation in windows?

If not- that is a reliable first step to testing those drives

did you get floppy converters and modify them? If not modified and you hooked it up, you could have fried the floppy control circuit.
That could explain why the original floppy drive isn't working.
If you don't have any lights on the floppy with a disk inserted, the you may not have the correct flat cable from the converter to the floppy drive.
The pins should be on opposing sides of the cable for a JM215A.

It could also be that you have one of the original floppy drives that was not standard and the cable (which normally has the red stripe near the power) may actually need reversed.
You can tell pin 1 (stripe) by what is screened on the drive PCB and the stripe on the logic side should always be to the back of Emax for both floppy and SCSI cables.

Pictures would be helpful to tell you what may be wrong.
But you can't send to the group email with attachments.
So you either need hosting service or post to files section.




On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:51 PM, soundsubs wrote:

hi group. i hope to document my agony for others to learn from. this has gone way beyond 'out of control'. maybe someone here can help. 

i now have: 
-a Baldwin IKE (worked fine for years via floppy)
(it now has the right scsi chips and added 5380 scsi chip) 
-two TEAC PCD-50b drives set to termination and scsi 0, 50 pin scsi cable (always minding pin 1 direction)
-power soldered in for the above drive, verified with multimeter
-pcmcia to cardflash adapter
-two of the 1gb kingston card flashs, inserted at various times. 
-two slim floppy drives.
-properly formatted floppys from EMXP 2.1.1
-the os 1.0 plus

since there was no spare molex connection for the TEAC drive, i metered out the floppy power cable and added one in there at the mobo. the first one smoked at the molex so i quickly shut it down and rewired it. i booted from floppy, and tried to format. initially i thought something was fried because i didnt see any LED activity lights on the TEAC drive. i ordered another one, which the cool guy at a4000t sent me. it also did the same thing. 

i tried both new slim floppy drives (TEAC also) and neither work. they get stuck at "loading software"

now the poor thing wont even boot with its OEM floppy drive. it just sits there with "disk not formatted" over and over. it even gives a new bizarre "click of death" when it does this. in fact, it does this with a floppy out of the bay. this is obviously bad news. 

i have tried about 15 floppies, all formatted via EMXP-- which has worked fine in the past. no go now, however. 
trying another method, EMXP wont format the CF card because it says "not compatible with emax"

keep in mind i DID this once for an emulator 3, so im probably not being stupid. i didnt have near this many problems. 





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> It has been said many times to use small flash like 32 or 64MB.
> You will have varied success with a large flash like 1GB.
>>>indeed, going to try this next. but i still dont understand why EXMP won't format it? i thought i read elsewhere (on here?) that someone had formatted one in their emax? and somewhere else that someone had tricked it by formatting with exmp and been able to read/write more than 20mb on a single disk. 


> Have you tried them in a PC with SCSI to verify operation in windows?
>>>good idea, but not the point. the drive(s) are fine, as i've swapped the "smoked" one--- which might not be bad at all-- with a known good one. neither worked. 

> did you get floppy converters and modify them? 
>>>no floppy converter. the new floppy came with a ribbon cable to convert to the 34 pin floppy controller on the emax mobo. so im not sure that i need to modify it?

if i fried the floppy controller--- which i may well have--- is there a diagnosis for this? i would imagine it wouldnt read "disk not formatted" over and over.

CF cards to be used in an Emax-I (=Baldwin Ike) can simply be formatted by DOS/Windows. 
Then use EMXP to generate an empty 20MB .EZ1 file, copy an Emax OS to this image (and sound banks) and copy=restore this image to the CF card.
It should load and work fine on the Baldwin.

EMXP can't format memory cards for Emax-II and Emulator-III, unless you use cards having a physical size which is at least twice the capacity that you will use on Emax-II and Emulator-III. 
E.g. if you generate an .EZ2 Emax-II hard disk image with EMXP sized 850MB and copy it to a standard formatted (FAT16) CF card of 2GB, it will probably work on the Emax-II...

///E-Synthesist

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "soundsubs" <soundsubs@...> wrote:

>
> > It has been said many times to use small flash like 32 or 64MB.
> > You will have varied success with a large flash like 1GB.
> >>>indeed, going to try this next. but i still dont understand why EXMP won't format it? i thought i read elsewhere (on here?) that someone had formatted one in their emax? and somewhere else that someone had tricked it by formatting with exmp and been able to read/write more than 20mb on a single disk. 
> 
> 
> > Have you tried them in a PC with SCSI to verify operation in windows?
> >>>good idea, but not the point. the drive(s) are fine, as i've swapped the "smoked" one--- which might not be bad at all-- with a known good one. neither worked. 
> 
> > did you get floppy converters and modify them? 
> >>>no floppy converter. the new floppy came with a ribbon cable to convert to the 34 pin floppy controller on the emax mobo. so im not sure that i need to modify it?
> 
> if i fried the floppy controller--- which i may well have--- is there a diagnosis for this? i would imagine it wouldnt read "disk not formatted" over and over.
>

I won't go into EMXP usage with you, as I didn't write it (that's esynthesist).
The tone of your email reply  (word choice / syntax) rubs me...
You asked for help and we provided you some advice.

The other person with a lot of knowledge in regards to the Emax electronics is Jammie (he is a synth tech in UK).

All I will say is this:
I recreated the SCSI upgrade kit for Emax.
I have shipped over 100 kits and fixed 4 damaged board installations (including damaged floppy drive circuits, as Jammie and I have the schematics, of course)
I determined how to successfully implement Slim floppy drives for Emax users on this group.
I have shipped 40 PCD-50b units to members on this Emax group after updating firmwares and testing in my Emax and Emax 2 testbeds....
So I would hazard to say I am fairly familiar with SCSI implementation on the Emax and also with this drive.

A standard 34 pin floppy does not have DS0 (drive select 0). So unless you know exactly how to modify the cable that drive isn't going to work.
Standard PC floppies do not adhere to the Schugart drive specification which Emax uses...

As to the endless repeating message if disk not formatted- sure it does when the floppy isn't working right.

You are making some assumptions here (which seem to have no basis in technical knowledge or experience with the equipment).
But what do I know, I have only been doing electronic repair on equipment for 20 years or so...

You can take my advice or not.




On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:54 AM, soundsubs wrote:

> It has been said many times to use small flash like 32 or 64MB.
> You will have varied success with a large flash like 1GB.
>>>indeed, going to try this next. but i still dont understand why EXMP won't format it? i thought i read elsewhere (on here?) that someone had formatted one in their emax? and somewhere else that someone had tricked it by formatting with exmp and been able to read/write more than 20mb on a single disk. 

> Have you tried them in a PC with SCSI to verify operation in windows?
>>>good idea, but not the point. the drive(s) are fine, as i've swapped the "smoked" one--- which might not be bad at all-- with a known good one. neither worked. 

> did you get floppy converters and modify them? 
>>>no floppy converter. the new floppy came with a ribbon cable to convert to the 34 pin floppy controller on the emax mobo. so im not sure that i need to modify it?

if i fried the floppy controller--- which i may well have--- is there a diagnosis for this? i would imagine it wouldnt read "disk not formatted" over and over. 





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All correct but.....the Emax does not and never did use the Schugart standard. 

retired floppy drive Kung fu master. Rish

Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.

On Feb 20, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't go into EMXP usage with you, as I didn't write it (that's esynthesist).
> The tone of your email reply  (word choice / syntax) rubs me...
> You asked for help and we provided you some advice.
> 
> The other person with a lot of knowledge in regards to the Emax electronics is Jammie (he is a synth tech in UK).
> 
> All I will say is this:
> I recreated the SCSI upgrade kit for Emax.
> I have shipped over 100 kits and fixed 4 damaged board installations (including damaged floppy drive circuits, as Jammie and I have the schematics, of course)
> I determined how to successfully implement Slim floppy drives for Emax users on this group.
> I have shipped 40 PCD-50b units to members on this Emax group after updating firmwares and testing in my Emax and Emax 2 testbeds....
> So I would hazard to say I am fairly familiar with SCSI implementation on the Emax and also with this drive.
> 
> A standard 34 pin floppy does not have DS0 (drive select 0). So unless you know exactly how to modify the cable that drive isn't going to work.
> Standard PC floppies do not adhere to the Schugart drive specification which Emax uses...
> 
> As to the endless repeating message if disk not formatted- sure it does when the floppy isn't working right.
> 
> You are making some assumptions here (which seem to have no basis in technical knowledge or experience with the equipment).
> But what do I know, I have only been doing electronic repair on equipment for 20 years or so...
> 
> You can take my advice or not.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:54 AM, soundsubs wrote:
> 
>> It has been said many times to use small flash like 32 or 64MB.
>> You will have varied success with a large flash like 1GB.
>>>> indeed, going to try this next. but i still dont understand why EXMP won't format it? i thought i read elsewhere (on here?) that someone had formatted one in their emax? and somewhere else that someone had tricked it by formatting with exmp and been able to read/write more than 20mb on a single disk. 
> 
>> Have you tried them in a PC with SCSI to verify operation in windows?
>>>> good idea, but not the point. the drive(s) are fine, as i've swapped the "smoked" one--- which might not be bad at all-- with a known good one. neither worked. 
> 
>> did you get floppy converters and modify them? 
>>>> no floppy converter. the new floppy came with a ribbon cable to convert to the 34 pin floppy controller on the emax mobo. so im not sure that i need to modify it?
> 
> if i fried the floppy controller--- which i may well have--- is there a diagnosis for this? i would imagine it wouldnt read "disk not formatted" over and over. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
> 
> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

> CF cards to be used in an Emax-I (=Baldwin Ike) can simply be formatted by DOS/Windows. Then use EMXP to generate an empty 20MB .EZ1 file, copy an Emax OS to this image (and sound banks) and copy=restore this image to the CF card.

>>>thanks sir! i appreciate your software AND support. 
keep in mind im still trying to format a 1GB kingston card to 20mb. if that matters... 

so when i try to do this on 2.11.01, it consistently gives: 
"Errorcode 87 Drive J can not be accessed"
i can see drive j-- which is the CF card-- in windows (windows 7 if that matters) and format it, write to it, etc., but it seems that EMXP cant see or write to it.

> The tone of your email reply  (word choice / syntax) rubs me...
> You asked for help and we provided you some advice.
>>>I apologize, Ted, that my message upset you. it wasnt aimed at you or anyone in particular. i am just beyond frustrated with this project, which quite frankly, is reaching diminishing returns. 


> So I would hazard to say I am fairly familiar with SCSI implementation on the Emax and also with this drive.
>>>i agree with this, you are one of the top experts on this, and have been helpful. that said, following your advice and recommendations hasnt really worked for me-- in fact, now i've gone backwards and i have an emax that wont even boot. i've likely fried the floppy controller on the emax and may have damaged the scsi bus as well. because im persistent/stubborn, i still hope to bring it back. 


> A standard 34 pin floppy does not have DS0 (drive select 0). So unless you know exactly how to modify the cable that drive isn't going to work.
>>>are you saying the flat ribbon-to-34-pin-floppy cable that came with my teac fd-05hg also needs an additional adapter to work?

I've never seen such a thing as you describe.
Instructions to modify an adapter are on my website:
http://djtbs1.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/jm215a-slim-floppy-adapter-modifications/


As long as you don't kill the e-chip, emax is fixable- but some of this is dependent on your skill level.
The Floppy controller itself is socketed, as is the 5380.
Usually, there are a couple LS series support chip that may have to be replaced as well for the floppy
Perhaps IC54, IC5 and check RN1 resistor networks in regards to floppy.
 

Rish- I am going to disagree with you.
DS0 through DS3 floppy topology is detailed in the Schugart spec. from my research.
The Schugart spec / pinout is what I was able to use to successfully implement the slim floppy conversion.
So while technically the Emax may not adhere completely to Schugart ( I feel confident in saying it doesn't support additional drives in firmware / OS to be sure), it certainly more accurate to that pinout than "standard" PC floppy which uses A/B cable twist methodology.

And I also verified that hooking a drive selected as DS1-3 doesn't harm Emax either, so the remainder of the pinout appears consistent...

But I can agree to disagree with you....



On Feb 20, 2012, at 5:34 PM, soundsubs wrote:

> The tone of your email reply (word choice / syntax) rubs me...
> You asked for help and we provided you some advice.
>>>I apologize, Ted, that my message upset you. it wasnt aimed at you or anyone in particular. i am just beyond frustrated with this project, which quite frankly, is reaching diminishing returns. 

> So I would hazard to say I am fairly familiar with SCSI implementation on the Emax and also with this drive.
>>>i agree with this, you are one of the top experts on this, and have been helpful. that said, following your advice and recommendations hasnt really worked for me-- in fact, now i've gone backwards and i have an emax that wont even boot. i've likely fried the floppy controller on the emax and may have damaged the scsi bus as well. because im persistent/stubborn, i still hope to bring it back. 

> A standard 34 pin floppy does not have DS0 (drive select 0). So unless you know exactly how to modify the cable that drive isn't going to work.
>>>are you saying the flat ribbon-to-34-pin-floppy cable that came with my teac fd-05hg also needs an additional adapter to work? 





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Ok...LOL. Well it's truly not Schugart and it's not PC either. 

Simply having Addresses on a drive does not make it Schugart standard. 

There were only just a few keyboards that ever even used a real Shugart standard 3.5 drive.

Emax was way to new to use that dated tech.

Rish

Life is like MIDI, your either IN, OUT or THRU.

On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:28 PM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

> I've never seen such a thing as you describe.
> Instructions to modify an adapter are on my website:
> http://djtbs1.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/jm215a-slim-floppy-adapter-modifications/
> 
> 
> As long as you don't kill the e-chip, emax is fixable- but some of this is dependent on your skill level.
> The Floppy controller itself is socketed, as is the 5380.
> Usually, there are a couple LS series support chip that may have to be replaced as well for the floppy
> Perhaps IC54, IC5 and check RN1 resistor networks in regards to floppy.
> 
> 
> Rish- I am going to disagree with you.
> DS0 through DS3 floppy topology is detailed in the Schugart spec. from my research.
> The Schugart spec / pinout is what I was able to use to successfully implement the slim floppy conversion.
> So while technically the Emax may not adhere completely to Schugart ( I feel confident in saying it doesn't support additional drives in firmware / OS to be sure), it certainly more accurate to that pinout than "standard" PC floppy which uses A/B cable twist methodology.
> 
> And I also verified that hooking a drive selected as DS1-3 doesn't harm Emax either, so the remainder of the pinout appears consistent...
> 
> But I can agree to disagree with you....
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 5:34 PM, soundsubs wrote:
> 
>> The tone of your email reply (word choice / syntax) rubs me...
>> You asked for help and we provided you some advice.
>>>> I apologize, Ted, that my message upset you. it wasnt aimed at you or anyone in particular. i am just beyond frustrated with this project, which quite frankly, is reaching diminishing returns. 
> 
>> So I would hazard to say I am fairly familiar with SCSI implementation on the Emax and also with this drive.
>>>> i agree with this, you are one of the top experts on this, and have been helpful. that said, following your advice and recommendations hasnt really worked for me-- in fact, now i've gone backwards and i have an emax that wont even boot. i've likely fried the floppy controller on the emax and may have damaged the scsi bus as well. because im persistent/stubborn, i still hope to bring it back. 
> 
>> A standard 34 pin floppy does not have DS0 (drive select 0). So unless you know exactly how to modify the cable that drive isn't going to work.
>>>> are you saying the flat ribbon-to-34-pin-floppy cable that came with my teac fd-05hg also needs an additional adapter to work? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
> 
> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

thats the same problem i have with cf cards thats why i always have to format them on the emax

and i use 32mb cf cards but it does the zip drives ok

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: soundsubs 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:15 AM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


    
  > CF cards to be used in an Emax-I (=Baldwin Ike) can simply be formatted by DOS/Windows. Then use EMXP to generate an empty 20MB .EZ1 file, copy an Emax OS to this image (and sound banks) and copy=restore this image to the CF card.

  >>>thanks sir! i appreciate your software AND support. 
  keep in mind im still trying to format a 1GB kingston card to 20mb. if that matters... 

  so when i try to do this on 2.11.01, it consistently gives: 
  "Errorcode 87 Drive J can not be accessed"
  i can see drive j-- which is the CF card-- in windows (windows 7 if that matters) and format it, write to it, etc., but it seems that EMXP cant see or write to it. 



  

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ues it needs a slim floppy adapter jm125a and that needs to be adapted by cuting traces and wiring links

i have done 20 upgrades of this for different samplers 

including emax1/2 ensoniq asr10 and eps16+ korg dss1

if you read teds proper explination it would explain that you need the slimfloppy adapter and adapted to teds changes for ds0 operation

if your old floppy now does not work then you have damaged the floppy controller

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: soundsubs 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:34 AM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


    
  > The tone of your email reply (word choice / syntax) rubs me...
  > You asked for help and we provided you some advice.
  >>>I apologize, Ted, that my message upset you. it wasnt aimed at you or anyone in particular. i am just beyond frustrated with this project, which quite frankly, is reaching diminishing returns. 

  > So I would hazard to say I am fairly familiar with SCSI implementation on the Emax and also with this drive.
  >>>i agree with this, you are one of the top experts on this, and have been helpful. that said, following your advice and recommendations hasnt really worked for me-- in fact, now i've gone backwards and i have an emax that wont even boot. i've likely fried the floppy controller on the emax and may have damaged the scsi bus as well. because im persistent/stubborn, i still hope to bring it back. 

  > A standard 34 pin floppy does not have DS0 (drive select 0). So unless you know exactly how to modify the cable that drive isn't going to work.
  >>>are you saying the flat ribbon-to-34-pin-floppy cable that came with my teac fd-05hg also needs an additional adapter to work? 



  

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>Perhaps IC54, IC5 and check RN1 resistor networks in regards to floppy.
>>>For reference: 
IC54 (Philips 74HCT14N) is not socketed
IC5 (74SOON) is not socketed either
RN1 (F221/331GA 10-pin Resistor Network) 
No burn marks or anything physically wrong with them to the eye. 
I suppose its possible that the drive is bad, as it clicks with "disk not formatted" even with a floppy removed from it. 


The floppy ribbon cable-- which seems to be a 4N093-A01-- is just like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-5N051-GX150-GX240-GX260-GX270-CD-SFF-DRIVE-CABLE-CN-05N051-/380372017920?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ff06300

Not sure it can be modified?

I knew the chips aren't socketed. 
But they are common 74 series chips easily available, that was the point.
Not like if the Rockwell 6500/11 scanner goes bad or the NS32000..... which are expensive and limited sources available....

On the boards I have repaired where Floppy was not working there were no visible signs the chips were bad.
Digital IC's don't always literally explode or crack (though I have seen that too).

Again- this is where technical skill level / knowledge of the circuitry (generally speaking, not just Emax) comes in.
To test the chip you would need to use a logic analyzer or oscilloscope, or perhaps a chip programmer (some have that function, I have all three).
Also the schematics and knowledge of what the signal levels are expected to be as well.
However- as the chips are so cheap- once they are pulled and a socket placed, its just as easy to simply put a new one in and not even spend time checking the chip.


As to modifying that cable- I would say no.
Flat cable like that isn't designed to be modified.
That is why I used the JM215A or similar to make the ITX interconnect, so it could be modified.
The circuit on the actual drive would be almost impossible to modify as well, though I did look at that option.



On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:38 AM, soundsubs wrote:

>Perhaps IC54, IC5 and check RN1 resistor networks in regards to floppy.
>>>For reference: 
IC54 (Philips 74HCT14N) is not socketed
IC5 (74SOON) is not socketed either
RN1 (F221/331GA 10-pin Resistor Network) 
No burn marks or anything physically wrong with them to the eye. 
I suppose its possible that the drive is bad, as it clicks with "disk not formatted" even with a floppy removed from it. 

The floppy ribbon cable-- which seems to be a 4N093-A01-- is just like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-5N051-GX150-GX240-GX260-GX270-CD-SFF-DRIVE-CABLE-CN-05N051-/380372017920?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ff06300

Not sure it can be modified? 





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Strange.
Error 87 does not mean that EMXP thinks the disk is not formatted well.
It means that it can't access drive J (e.g. because there's no disk in it). It's really a basic error code thrown by a windows C function which tries to open the drive ;)

What I see sometimes is that one memory card drive is seen by Windows as multiple drives, e.g. J, K, L and M. In that case only of those seems to work for EMXP. I never investigated this in full detail to be honest...

///E-Synthesist


--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

>
> thats the same problem i have with cf cards thats why i always have to format them on the emax
> 
> and i use 32mb cf cards but it does the zip drives ok
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: soundsubs 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:15 AM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem
> 
> 
>     
>   > CF cards to be used in an Emax-I (=Baldwin Ike) can simply be formatted by DOS/Windows. Then use EMXP to generate an empty 20MB .EZ1 file, copy an Emax OS to this image (and sound banks) and copy=restore this image to the CF card.
> 
>   >>>thanks sir! i appreciate your software AND support. 
>   keep in mind im still trying to format a 1GB kingston card to 20mb. if that matters... 
> 
>   so when i try to do this on 2.11.01, it consistently gives: 
>   "Errorcode 87 Drive J can not be accessed"
>   i can see drive j-- which is the CF card-- in windows (windows 7 if that matters) and format it, write to it, etc., but it seems that EMXP cant see or write to it. 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> That is why I used the JM215A or similar to make the ITX interconnect, so it could be modified.
>>>alright, all points noted. 
can you sell me a modified JM215A?

Perhaps I should add something to my previous reply.
When accessing removable disks, EMXP almost always requests an EXCLUSIVE READ and WRITE access. This means: no other software should have access to this disk when EMXP is trying to access it.
This means that even software like Windows Explorer or similar should not have a view open on the disk. 
If you have a (windows explorer) view open on the J-drive, EMXP will return error 87. In that case, simply close windows explorer, or change the view in exploere by clickin on another drive, e.g. your hard drive...
If explorer is not open if EMXP returns 87, there may be some "background" software active which is holding a lock on the J-drive.

///E-Synthesist

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:

>
> Strange.
> Error 87 does not mean that EMXP thinks the disk is not formatted well.
> It means that it can't access drive J (e.g. because there's no disk in it). It's really a basic error code thrown by a windows C function which tries to open the drive ;)
> 
> What I see sometimes is that one memory card drive is seen by Windows as multiple drives, e.g. J, K, L and M. In that case only of those seems to work for EMXP. I never investigated this in full detail to be honest...
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > thats the same problem i have with cf cards thats why i always have to format them on the emax
> > 
> > and i use 32mb cf cards but it does the zip drives ok
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: soundsubs 
> >   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:15 AM
> >   Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem
> > 
> > 
> >     
> >   > CF cards to be used in an Emax-I (=Baldwin Ike) can simply be formatted by DOS/Windows. Then use EMXP to generate an empty 20MB .EZ1 file, copy an Emax OS to this image (and sound banks) and copy=restore this image to the CF card.
> > 
> >   >>>thanks sir! i appreciate your software AND support. 
> >   keep in mind im still trying to format a 1GB kingston card to 20mb. if that matters... 
> > 
> >   so when i try to do this on 2.11.01, it consistently gives: 
> >   "Errorcode 87 Drive J can not be accessed"
> >   i can see drive j-- which is the CF card-- in windows (windows 7 if that matters) and format it, write to it, etc., but it seems that EMXP cant see or write to it. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

no get a proper jm125a slim gfloppy adapter and do whats been told thats how its done why are you complicating things

do as the person how found out how it was done

ted spent lots of time on this and burnt out floppy controllers in doing so he created a working solution that works get with the program and do as instructed 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: soundsubs 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:38 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


    
  >Perhaps IC54, IC5 and check RN1 resistor networks in regards to floppy.
  >>>For reference: 
  IC54 (Philips 74HCT14N) is not socketed
  IC5 (74SOON) is not socketed either
  RN1 (F221/331GA 10-pin Resistor Network) 
  No burn marks or anything physically wrong with them to the eye. 
  I suppose its possible that the drive is bad, as it clicks with "disk not formatted" even with a floppy removed from it. 

  The floppy ribbon cable-- which seems to be a 4N093-A01-- is just like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-5N051-GX150-GX240-GX260-GX270-CD-SFF-DRIVE-CABLE-CN-05N051-/380372017920?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588ff06300

  Not sure it can be modified? 



  

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thanks ill try that i think i did have a window open thanks for the tip esynth

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: esynthesist 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:24 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


    
  Perhaps I should add something to my previous reply.
  When accessing removable disks, EMXP almost always requests an EXCLUSIVE READ and WRITE access. This means: no other software should have access to this disk when EMXP is trying to access it.
  This means that even software like Windows Explorer or similar should not have a view open on the disk. 
  If you have a (windows explorer) view open on the J-drive, EMXP will return error 87. In that case, simply close windows explorer, or change the view in exploere by clickin on another drive, e.g. your hard drive...
  If explorer is not open if EMXP returns 87, there may be some "background" software active which is holding a lock on the J-drive.

  ///E-Synthesist

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:
  >
  > Strange.
  > Error 87 does not mean that EMXP thinks the disk is not formatted well.
  > It means that it can't access drive J (e.g. because there's no disk in it). It's really a basic error code thrown by a windows C function which tries to open the drive ;)
  > 
  > What I see sometimes is that one memory card drive is seen by Windows as multiple drives, e.g. J, K, L and M. In that case only of those seems to work for EMXP. I never investigated this in full detail to be honest...
  > 
  > ///E-Synthesist
  > 
  > 
  > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
  > >
  > > thats the same problem i have with cf cards thats why i always have to format them on the emax
  > > 
  > > and i use 32mb cf cards but it does the zip drives ok
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: soundsubs 
  > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:15 AM
  > > Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > > CF cards to be used in an Emax-I (=Baldwin Ike) can simply be formatted by DOS/Windows. Then use EMXP to generate an empty 20MB .EZ1 file, copy an Emax OS to this image (and sound banks) and copy=restore this image to the CF card.
  > > 
  > > >>>thanks sir! i appreciate your software AND support. 
  > > keep in mind im still trying to format a 1GB kingston card to 20mb. if that matters... 
  > > 
  > > so when i try to do this on 2.11.01, it consistently gives: 
  > > "Errorcode 87 Drive J can not be accessed"
  > > i can see drive j-- which is the CF card-- in windows (windows 7 if that matters) and format it, write to it, etc., but it seems that EMXP cant see or write to it. 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  >



  

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more updates, again hopefully documenting for other people: 
i walked into a local pawnshop that had an old Baldwin IKE. its been sitting in that store for over a year (ive been watching the price fall) and i asked to power it up and see how it was working. lo and behold, it wouldnt boot either. it similarly says "disk not formatted" over and over, regardless of whether the floppy disk (which said Baldwin Piano for IKE) was inserted or not. 

so that baldwin also wouldnt boot. it is stuck in the exact same mode mine is. 
for troubleshooting purposes, this means a few possibilities:
the floppys are indeed not formatted, bad, or something is wrong with BOTH drives. 

because im stubborn, i formatted a 5th floppy disk. 
miraculously, this worked. i can now get it to boot with the original floppy drive.

> Perhaps I should add something to my previous reply.
> When accessing removable disks, EMXP almost always requests an EXCLUSIVE READ and WRITE access. 
>>>Thanks again E. this is an important point and has caught me a few times. mostly, windows pops up a window that asks what i'd like to do with the newly inserted drive. often times i miss this. closing it allows EMXP to again read/write to it. 

i was able to get it to TRY to write a file to my drive J. 
now its reporting back "Errorcode 104: content of disk in drive J is not compatible with Emax/EMUIII. subcode 7"

I will have to see if I have one.
I don't make these as a reqular thing anymore as people thought my price was too much, even though with my time and shipping costs, etc I wasn't really making any money on them.

So I posted the how to on my site.


On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:29 AM, soundsubs wrote:


> That is why I used the JM215A or similar to make the ITX interconnect, so it could be modified.
>>>alright, all points noted. 
can you sell me a modified JM215A? 





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i never thought that as i know how much time goes into these things

i apreciate all you work done on this ted

thanks for your support
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Ted Summers" <djtbs1@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


>I will have to see if I have one.
> I don't make these as a reqular thing anymore as people thought my price 
> was too much, even though with my time and shipping costs, etc I wasn't 
> really making any money on them.
>
> So I posted the how to on my site.
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 11:29 AM, soundsubs wrote:
>
>
>> That is why I used the JM215A or similar to make the ITX interconnect, so 
>> it could be modified.
>>>>alright, all points noted.
> can you sell me a modified JM215A?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
>
> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

> I will have to see if I have one.
Thanks Ted-- i got one off ebay and will follow your procedure.

i found two problems: 

1.) the scsi chip was inserted incorrectly. i didnt see the tiny tab on the 5380 socket. i reversed this and used a new chip. all seems well.  

2.) the write tab on the pcmcia card was pushed (and therefore locked). also, i didnt realize that you cant change out CF cards without a hard boot. 


happy to report the Baldwin IKE/Emax seems to be formatting the HD, and the LED is lit on the scsi drive! yay!

you can take out the pcmcia card then remove the cf card and put a new card into the pcmcia adapter then place that into the pcmcia slot as that slot is hot swappable

just make sure your not accessing it



and do not remove the cf card from the pcmcia adapter when the pcmcia is inserted as it will need rebooting

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: soundsubs 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:20 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem (update)


    
  i found two problems: 

  1.) the scsi chip was inserted incorrectly. i didnt see the tiny tab on the 5380 socket. i reversed this and used a new chip. all seems well. 

  2.) the write tab on the pcmcia card was pushed (and therefore locked). also, i didnt realize that you cant change out CF cards without a hard boot. 

  happy to report the Baldwin IKE/Emax seems to be formatting the HD, and the LED is lit on the scsi drive! yay!



  

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> you can take out the pcmcia card then remove the cf card and put a new card into the pcmcia adapter then place that into the pcmcia slot as that slot is hot swappable
> just make sure your not accessing it
> and do not remove the cf card from the pcmcia adapter when the pcmcia is inserted as it will need rebooting
>>>excellent, thanks for the tip.

> What I see sometimes is that one memory card drive is seen by Windows as multiple drives, e.g. J, K, L and M. In that case only of those seems to work for EMXP. I never investigated this in full detail to be honest...
>>>interesting. 
i know this is a silly question, is there any way (special key) to bypass the capacity check which happens when you try to format a drive that too large? might be useful. part 2 of this would be to format it and trick it so that we can write more than 20mb to a card. 


for the record, i was able to format/read/write to a 1gb Kingston card.

no as its what was set by emu in its rom we are taking 25+ years machine when 20mb was massive for a hard drive

its impossible to format any bigger as it wont be seen as an emax 1 drive

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: soundsubs 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:09 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


    
  > What I see sometimes is that one memory card drive is seen by Windows as multiple drives, e.g. J, K, L and M. In that case only of those seems to work for EMXP. I never investigated this in full detail to be honest...
  >>>interesting. 
  i know this is a silly question, is there any way (special key) to bypass the capacity check which happens when you try to format a drive that too large? might be useful. part 2 of this would be to format it and trick it so that we can write more than 20mb to a card. 

  for the record, i was able to format/read/write to a 1gb Kingston card. 



  

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OK- then go into the database section of the group and select the correct database and see if the part # is in there.
If not, add it so people know that part # is an available option for use.

Also- if you fail to modify the adapter properly I have 1 left.


On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:09 AM, soundsubs wrote:

> What I see sometimes is that one memory card drive is seen by Windows as multiple drives, e.g. J, K, L and M. In that case only of those seems to work for EMXP. I never investigated this in full detail to be honest...
>>>interesting. 
i know this is a silly question, is there any way (special key) to bypass the capacity check which happens when you try to format a drive that too large? might be useful. part 2 of this would be to format it and trick it so that we can write more than 20mb to a card. 

for the record, i was able to format/read/write to a 1gb Kingston card. 





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Since you seems to have managed to write your CF card (on the Baldwin itself I assume), the following is probably not important anymore for you.

But anyway: errorcode 104 is returned when you try to write an individual Emax bank to a disk which is not *logically* formatted for Emax yet.

That's why you have to generate an .EZ1 image first and copy (restore) it to the DOS formatted CF card (as I wrote in my initial reply).
This .EZ1 image contains the file system of the Emax. By copying it to the DOS formatted CF card, the DOS FAT file system is overwritten by the Emax file system. Without this Emax file system, EMXP nor the Emax can save sound banks to the CF card.

When you format the CF card in the Emax or Emax-II itself, the card is both physically and logically formatted. In that case the card is immediately ready for saving banks to it.

FYI: Section 6.1 in the EMXP manual explains how to create Emax compatible CF cards with EMXP.

///E-Synthesist

 

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "soundsubs" <soundsubs@...> wrote:

>
> > Perhaps I should add something to my previous reply.
> > When accessing removable disks, EMXP almost always requests an EXCLUSIVE READ and WRITE access. 
> >>>Thanks again E. this is an important point and has caught me a few times. mostly, windows pops up a window that asks what i'd like to do with the newly inserted drive. often times i miss this. closing it allows EMXP to again read/write to it. 
> 
> i was able to get it to TRY to write a file to my drive J. 
> now its reporting back "Errorcode 104: content of disk in drive J is not compatible with Emax/EMUIII. subcode 7"
>

thanks so format it in windows as fat 16

then create a emax hardrive image of 20mb  ez1 blank image

then write os to it

then write that image to the cfcard which foirmats it to the emax system over writing the fat 16 format

thanks

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: esynthesist 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:25 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Baldwin IKE CF addition mayhem


    
  Since you seems to have managed to write your CF card (on the Baldwin itself I assume), the following is probably not important anymore for you.

  But anyway: errorcode 104 is returned when you try to write an individual Emax bank to a disk which is not *logically* formatted for Emax yet.

  That's why you have to generate an .EZ1 image first and copy (restore) it to the DOS formatted CF card (as I wrote in my initial reply).
  This .EZ1 image contains the file system of the Emax. By copying it to the DOS formatted CF card, the DOS FAT file system is overwritten by the Emax file system. Without this Emax file system, EMXP nor the Emax can save sound banks to the CF card.

  When you format the CF card in the Emax or Emax-II itself, the card is both physically and logically formatted. In that case the card is immediately ready for saving banks to it.

  FYI: Section 6.1 in the EMXP manual explains how to create Emax compatible CF cards with EMXP.

  ///E-Synthesist

  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "soundsubs" <soundsubs@...> wrote:
  >
  > > Perhaps I should add something to my previous reply.
  > > When accessing removable disks, EMXP almost always requests an EXCLUSIVE READ and WRITE access. 
  > >>>Thanks again E. this is an important point and has caught me a few times. mostly, windows pops up a window that asks what i'd like to do with the newly inserted drive. often times i miss this. closing it allows EMXP to again read/write to it. 
  > 
  > i was able to get it to TRY to write a file to my drive J. 
  > now its reporting back "Errorcode 104: content of disk in drive J is not compatible with Emax/EMUIII. subcode 7"
  >



  

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