EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi Experts!!! Does anyone know of a way to make or burn an exact copy 
of the exs-24 software? I can't seem to do it as it's got some 
protection code that makes the duplication process fail. You see...  
I have 2 project studio set-ups. one at work and one at home. I'm 
getting tired of bringing along the exs CD with me wherever i go. 
Anyone of you gotten to decoding this software? Please help as i 
think that with my set-up it's rather silly to have to buy another 
exs-24 software!!! thanx in advance..... :)

naujleugim

Hi,

naujleugim wrote,
> Hi Experts!!! Does anyone know of a way to make or burn an exact copy
> of the exs-24 software? I can't seem to do it as it's got some
> protection code that makes the duplication process fail. You see...
> I have 2 project studio set-ups. one at work and one at home. I'm
> getting tired of bringing along the exs CD with me wherever i go.
> Anyone of you gotten to decoding this software? Please help as i
> think that with my set-up it's rather silly to have to buy another
> exs-24 software!!! thanx in advance..... :)

That's why Emagic has the protection code in there.  Making a copy violates
your software licence agreement I believe.  It's sort of the same thing for
Logic Audio as well but with Logic Audio (at least the more premium
versions) you would need to make a backup of the dongle.

If you wait until Logic Audio 5.0 is out there will be a new dongle
implementation which will use some sort of a programmable dongle for copy
protection.  At that time, you may wish to ask your distributor what options
are available to you for your second studio setup.

Sorry that this doesn't help you much but it is all that I can offer.  To
respond directly to your query, I do not know if it is possible to make a
backup copy of the CD (I have not tried it myself anyway).  Good luck,
Fernando

on 12/1/01 12:09 PM, john michaels at naujleugim@... wrote:

> Hi Experts!!! Does anyone know of a way to make or burn an exact copy
> of the exs-24 software? I can't seem to do it as it's got some
> protection code that makes the duplication process fail. You see...
> I have 2 project studio set-ups. one at work and one at home. I'm
> getting tired of bringing along the exs CD with me wherever i go.
> Anyone of you gotten to decoding this software? Please help as i
> think that with my set-up it's rather silly to have to buy another
> exs-24 software!!! thanx in advance..... :)
> 

Actually,  as I recall, emagic's copyright limitations only allow
installation on one machine period; not just one machine operating at a
time. However,  (on the LAMP version anyways) you only need the disk for
regular re-authorizations, not every time. Although that may be different on
the stand alone version of EXS; after all, there is the added dongle
protection of Logic.

Either way, packing around a CD is a small inconvenience compared to what
you get for it.


Regards,

    Shane


-- 
Shane Fawkes, 
Director of Music, 
Walnut Grove Secondary School,
Langley, B.C. Canada

sfawkes@...
sfawkes@...

At least German law allows you to legally do a backup copy (even on copy protected software).
You are still only allowed to use one installed version at a time, though, but that seems to be
the case with you.

I HAD to do a backup copy of my ESB-CD to even use it (hint: Clone-CD), because the CD
protection of the original CD doesn\ufffdt work with my Plextor CD hardware, the copy works,
though...
I told emagic, but they haven\ufffdt responded yet. I don\ufffdt feel illegal at all...

Peter
http://www.merlinsound.de


----- Original Message -----

From: "Shane Fawkes" <shanefawkes@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [exs] making an exact copy


>
>
> on 12/1/01 12:09 PM, john michaels at naujleugim@... wrote:
>
> > Hi Experts!!! Does anyone know of a way to make or burn an exact copy
> > of the exs-24 software? I can't seem to do it as it's got some
> > protection code that makes the duplication process fail. You see...
> > I have 2 project studio set-ups. one at work and one at home. I'm
> > getting tired of bringing along the exs CD with me wherever i go.
> > Anyone of you gotten to decoding this software? Please help as i
> > think that with my set-up it's rather silly to have to buy another
> > exs-24 software!!! thanx in advance..... :)
> >
>
> Actually,  as I recall, emagic's copyright limitations only allow
> installation on one machine period; not just one machine operating at a
> time. However,  (on the LAMP version anyways) you only need the disk for
> regular re-authorizations, not every time. Although that may be different on
> the stand alone version of EXS; after all, there is the added dongle
> protection of Logic.
>
> Either way, packing around a CD is a small inconvenience compared to what
> you get for it.

At 08:09 PM 12/1/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi Experts!!! Does anyone know of a way to make or burn an exact copy
>of the exs-24 software? I can't seem to do it as it's got some
>protection code that makes the duplication process fail. You see...
>I have 2 project studio set-ups. one at work and one at home. I'm
>getting tired of bringing along the exs CD with me wherever i go.
>Anyone of you gotten to decoding this software? Please help as i
>think that with my set-up it's rather silly to have to buy another
>exs-24 software!!! thanx in advance..... :)

So I assume you bought two copies of Logic (to get two dongles) and one 
copy of EXS. I guess a read through of the license is in order, seeing if 
it permits you to run one license of EXS on two computers.

Which (and I don't want to get off topic here, but I will for a second) 
reminds me...

What are the modern-day thoughts of the per-computer software licensing 
agreements? Don't reply here; reply to me privately. It seems to me that in 
the '80's and early/mid '90's, this seemed to be the right thing to do. 
After all, most people only had one computer anyway, and most certainly if 
you tried to install it on another computer, you were likely giving it to 
someone else. Also, it's more practical with corporate sales.

However, in this new era, maybe it's turning into a bad idea for 
small-medium sized enterprises (people, or families). Look at XP. With the 
new authorize-before-install situation, Microsoft can crack down on 
organizations/families who have 2-4 computers but use just one operating 
system licence. I have a feeling that most of those entities will just buy 
one XP, but leave the other computers on 98.

Now, one yearns for a per-USER license agreement, not necessarily a 
per-computer one. Not just to save money, but doing it for ethical reasons. 
I think it's more sensible and common-sensical, at least in my mind.

But how can you track this sort of thing? I guess that's why it's not done. 
If it was, perhaps Wal-Mart Inc. would only have to buy 1 copy of Microsoft 
Office for their whole organization.

Again, I'd like to know what people think, so respond to me, not the list, 
as this is somewhat off-topic. Set me straight, or agree with me, or plop 
down right in the middle like the rest of us...

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Of course I know that copying the EXS CD isn't exactly legal (at least from
what the manual says) but I think that by german law you are allowed to have
one security copy - and that's exactly what I've been doing because my
original CD allready doesn't look too pretty anymore, there's allready quite
some scratches on it and I don't want to take the risk of one day finding
myself with a non-working CD, having to wait for a new one, eventually not
being able to use the EXS (which in the meantime became my master sound
modul) for a few days.

However, I don't know about the legal situation when it comes to using the
EXS on two different machines, but in this case we should compare it to some
hardware synth module. I mean, whenever you do some production at your place
and it's afterwards required to continue working in another studio but at
the same time you want to reproduce a certain sound that you used, you'd
take your hardware module with you, wouldn't you? So I think there should be
no problem with the EXS being installed temporarily on another machine -
otherwise it simply wouldn't cope up with hardware equivalents in terms of
practical usefulness.
Of course you're still not allowed to use the EXS on two different machines
simultaneously.

Regards,
Sascha

Hi Sascha,

I agree with all your points you mentioned - but still have one
question concerning the EXS-CD:

I never tried to copy it, but I always thought that one can't copy the
CD because the key for your authorization which is on the CD is
comparable to a hardware key. There should be some non-readable
sectors on the CD which one can't copy. Did you ever try to authorize
your EXS with your CD-copy? If it works, which CD-burner-program do
you use? I also wish to make a copy of mine.

gretings,
axel


--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> Of course I know that copying the EXS CD isn't exactly legal (at
least from
> what the manual says) but I think that by german law you are allowed
to have
> one security copy - and that's exactly what I've been doing because my
> original CD allready doesn't look too pretty anymore, there's
allready quite
> some scratches on it and I don't want to take the risk of one day
finding
> myself with a non-working CD, having to wait for a new one,
eventually not
> being able to use the EXS (which in the meantime became my master sound
> modul) for a few days.
> 
> However, I don't know about the legal situation when it comes to
using the
> EXS on two different machines, but in this case we should compare it
to some
> hardware synth module. I mean, whenever you do some production at
your place

> and it's afterwards required to continue working in another studio
but at
> the same time you want to reproduce a certain sound that you used, you'd
> take your hardware module with you, wouldn't you? So I think there
should be
> no problem with the EXS being installed temporarily on another machine -
> otherwise it simply wouldn't cope up with hardware equivalents in
terms of
> practical usefulness.
> Of course you're still not allowed to use the EXS on two different
machines

> simultaneously.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha

Hasn\ufffdt my message from 2 days ago reached the list?
I wrote about that...

Peter
http://www.merlinsound.de


----- Original Message -----

From: <XL@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [exs] making an exact copy


> Hi Sascha,
>
> I agree with all your points you mentioned - but still have one
> question concerning the EXS-CD:
>
> I never tried to copy it, but I always thought that one can't copy the
> CD because the key for your authorization which is on the CD is
> comparable to a hardware key. There should be some non-readable
> sectors on the CD which one can't copy. Did you ever try to authorize
> your EXS with your CD-copy? If it works, which CD-burner-program do
> you use? I also wish to make a copy of mine.

<XL@...> wrote:
> I never tried to copy it, but I always thought that one can't copy the
> CD because the key for your authorization which is on the CD is
> comparable to a hardware key. There should be some non-readable
> sectors on the CD which one can't copy.

Well, while companies may try to make un-copyable CDs, nobody has suceeded
yet.
If you ever want to know how to copy *any* CD, have a look at
www.gamecopyworld.com. Not that I'm playing any games at all (too addictive,
can't afford that), but that site has loads of information.

> Did you ever try to authorize
> your EXS with your CD-copy?

Yes, I do it all the time, as said, I don't want to scratch my originals of
EXS, ES1 and EVP anymore.

> If it works, which CD-burner-program do
> you use? I also wish to make a copy of mine.

I used the BlindRead/BlindWrite suite (I guess www.blindwrite.com) as
CloneCD (which many people prefer) didn't like my TEAC burner.

Regards,
Sascha

Hi,

> If you ever want to know how to copy *any* CD, have a look at
> www.gamecopyworld.com. Not that I'm playing any games at all



Amazing site!

greetings,
Axel

Sascha wrote:
>Well, while companies may try to make un-copyable CDs, nobody >has suceeded
>yet.
>If you ever want to know how to copy *any* CD, have a look at
>www.gamecopyworld.com. Not that I'm playing any games at all >(too addictive,
>can't afford that), but that site has loads of information.

   Hi Sascha,
             Would this work for the Native Instruments B4 also? I was wondering if there was anyway of copying that c.d. It has some weird copy protection on it where there are two little holes in the c.d. I just assumed you couldn't copy that as it looks for that "mark" when you authorize. 
             I always like to make back-ups of the software I buy because like you I don't want to scrath it. That's another thing I don't like about c.d. authorization. I don't really like paying $150 or whatever only to get a c.d. I'm supposed to "use" on a regular basis without wear. 

                               --Roger


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litepipe wrote:
>              Would this work for the Native Instruments B4 also? I was
wondering if there was anyway of copying that c.d. It has some weird copy
protection on it where there are two little holes in the c.d. I just assumed
you couldn't copy that as it looks for that "mark" when you authorize.

Hi Roger,

I doubt that with such a copy protection it'd be possible to copy the CD
using an of the "normal" programs - wouldn't happen to know about anything
else too. I mean, I'm not like a hacker or whatever, I just stumbled over
gamecopyworld when I was looking for some CD copying software.

>              I always like to make back-ups of the software I buy because
like you I don't want to scrath it. That's another thing I don't like about
c.d. authorization. I don't really like paying $150 or whatever only to get
a c.d. I'm supposed to "use" on a regular basis without wear.

Just out of interest, how often does Battery ask for the CD?
IMO the Emagic synths ask pretty often. I also own WaveLab and it asks WAY
less, so there's no problem for me to have the CD at some safe place and
just take it out once in 2 or 3 months or so.
If it was like that with Battery as well, maybe it's not that much trouble
only having one original.

Regards,
Sascha

At 04:45 PM 3/12/01 +0100 Sascha wrote:
>
>Just out of interest, how often does Battery ask for the CD?
>IMO the Emagic synths ask pretty often. 

Dynamo is even worse in this regard. It seems to count the number of times
it is called so if you start and stop logic many times over a short space
of time (when playing with your sound card latency or somesuch) it will
demand the CD within a couple of days sometimes. I leave it in the drive
most of the time.

Regards,
Murray

Sascha wrote:
>Just out of interest, how often does Battery ask for the CD?
>IMO the Emagic synths ask pretty often. I also own WaveLab >and it asks WAY
>less, so there's no problem for me to have the CD at some >safe place and
>just take it out once in 2 or 3 months or so.
>If it was like that with Battery as well, maybe it's not that >much trouble
>only having one original.


  Hi Sascha,
           I have the Native Instruments B4 not battery, so I'm not sure if it's the same. I can't say that the B4 is annoying with it's authorization. It really doesn't get in the way. It doesn't ask very often. Hardly at all. I just get paranoid about c.d.'s.  Everytime I pull out the c.d. I envision this major catastrophy where I get a big scratch and I have to call and try to have it replaced and worry if it will get here in time for when I need it. Would they even replece it? They should right? As long as you send back the original with your serial number? I would also feel better if they gave you some info on this in their read-me...Like incase of damage conatact.....upon recieving the old disk a new one will be furnished free of charge (except for shipping). Maybe I'm making a mountain out of an ant hill. I mean if you buy a Telecaster or Les Paul it's not like you can make a back-up of them:-) Maybe because we have computers and "can" make copies we see this as more important. Atleat on the Logic side they'll be getting rid of c.d. authorization. I think the way they are going to incorporate it into the new USB dongle is great:-))

                               --Roger







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if you're on PC get blindwrite from blindwrite.com. should do the bit-to-bit
trick.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: john michaels [mailto:naujleugim@...]
  Sent: zaterdag 1 december 2001 21:10
  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [exs] making an exact copy


  Hi Experts!!! Does anyone know of a way to make or burn an exact copy
  of the exs-24 software? I can't seem to do it as it's got some
  protection code that makes the duplication process fail. You see...
  I have 2 project studio set-ups. one at work and one at home. I'm
  getting tired of bringing along the exs CD with me wherever i go.
  Anyone of you gotten to decoding this software? Please help as i
  think that with my set-up it's rather silly to have to buy another
  exs-24 software!!! thanx in advance..... :)

  naujleugim


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just thought I'd let you know that to be able to use 2 cd's legally, even if 
you're using one at a time,  you need 2 licences.  i believe these cost 
around 50% percent of the product's price.
ek
In a message dated 12/5/01 3:52:27 AM, john michaels 
[mailto:naujleugim@...]

>  Hi Experts!!! Does anyone know of a way to make or burn an exact copy
>
>  of the exs-24 software? I can't seem to do it as it's got some
>
>  protection code that makes the duplication process fail. You see...
>
>  I have 2 project studio set-ups. one at work and one at home. I'm
>
>  getting tired of bringing along the exs CD with me wherever i go.
>
>  Anyone of you gotten to decoding this software? Please help as i
>
>  think that with my set-up it's rather silly to have to buy another
>
>  exs-24 software!!! thanx in advance..... :)
>
>

> just thought I'd let you know that to be able to use 2 cd's legally, even
if
> you're using one at a time,  you need 2 licences.  i believe these cost
> around 50% percent of the product's price.

In my case it's not about "using" 2 CDs simultaneously but just about
backing up one (which allready looks scratchy due to a too high amount of
necessary reauthorisations) - I don't think I should need a second licence
for that. The only purpose for this is letting me feel more safe.

Regards,
Sascha

>Atleat on the Logic side they'll be getting rid of c.d. authorization. I
think the way they are going to incorporate it into the new USB dongle is
great:-))

But what if the dongle gets broke ?? :-) (just kiddin!)

Eppo Schaap
Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica
www.galbatron.com
music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

Sorry wrong message header. Here's the correct affiliated subject...

Since everyone seems to have an opinion about this, here's mine. This is not
a big deal. If someone wants a backup of there disk for safety sake, that's
cool with me. I try to back everything up and place it in a fire-proof safe
in case I have a fire or theft. I would lose months of productivity
recovering from such a loss. It would destroy my business if I had to hunt
down every frickin' vendor I ever bought software from, most of which would
refuse to send me a complimentary extra disk (yeah right). My feeling? Leave
it alone. If someone needs a backup, more power to them.