Re: Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by steve_the_composer
You make some valid points. However, I have seen people in this chat make erroneous, false, and reckless comments before. When someone is trying to solve a
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Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Loscha
You assert that MIDI over USB is sloppy. This is the same as a schoolgirl saying toads gice you warts!!! If you look at a MIDI USB over an oscilloscope, as I
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by jammie
you could fit a lan midi port on the cz this is attached to the pre opto isolaters of the uart then you can use midi over lan but the midi protocol is still
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Lee Borrell
I think if you talking about USB to USB transfer - or Firewire then you may have a point ,but as soon as any interface hits a MIDI DIN plug it HAS to be 31.25
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Lee Borrell
Gordon is correct - the MIDI standard is 31.25 Kb - if there was any other speed,the MIDI equipment would not be able to read the signal- the baud rate is part
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Loscha
A friend of mine, Paul Perry (frostwave) had an interesting issue along this line, vaguely. They d assembled a bunch of Alienator boards. Worked fine. Sound
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Jason Adkins
He he, I liked the phrase It s easy to be a general after the battle if it wasn t for Sequential Circuits we wouldn t have midi period,we would be stuck with
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Daniel Forró
... Yes, in the times when nobody used USB for MIDI, SCI used higher MIDI speed for the purpose of SDS in some of their instruments, but very soon this idea
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Daniel Forró
Definitely yes. Standard is standard. There were only few exceptions - some SCI instruments could use higher speed for MIDI. Daniel Forro
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Loscha
Thanks, Gordon. I was in the car when this turd got emailed earlier. MIDI is, as you state, fixed at a baud rate of 31250 bps. That s the very definition of
Re: [CZsynth] Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by Gordon JC Pearce
... Bullshit. MIDI transfers data at 31250bps. It doesn t matter how the interface is connected to the host or device, MIDI data is by definition 31250bps.
Speed of sysex transfer
2013-08-22 by fulfil_objective
Hi Steve, I think you are too focused on these vintage numbers like 31250 bps and 115200 bps. Transferring sysex by USB and MIDI are not limited to these old
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000 [results of testing]
2013-08-22 by steve_the_composer
... RESULTS: With the arduino sending serial data at 115200 bps and the hairless serial midi-usb bridge receiving the data at 115200, the E-Mu 2x2 usb midi
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-22 by steve_the_composer
See comments below. ... I agree that small midi in buffers in gear can cause problems, but given the details of the specific problem here, I don t think that s
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-22 by steve_the_composer
See comments below. ... [snip] ... This makes perfect sense to me, esp. following the results of the tests just completed. I will write up the results as a
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-22 by rghays9693
Daniel, All, It sounds to me like the issue i indeed that the computers are now sending bytes to fast for the processor and it s buffer to keep up with. We all
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-21 by Robert G. Hays
Daniel, All, It sounds to me like the issue i indeed that the computers are now sending bytes to fast for the processor and it s buffer to keep up with. We all
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-21 by k9k9dog
yo chaps, thanks for excellent concise info for DD/2HD disks. would have had trouble finding that elsewhere! i used to love the cagedartist programs for atari,
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-21 by Daniel Forró
... Sometimes problem is in the MIDI buffer in the instrument, and the only help is to make longer time delay between SysEx datablocks (starting with F0 and
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-21 by Gordon JC Pearce
... The 31250bps MIDI rate is locked down by the interface, and can t go anywhere. It is possible that faster processors are sending so much data that the
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-21 by steve_the_composer
Yeah--just a couple of footnotes: (1) I never used midiquest, but if its still around, that must say something good about it. (2) I agree there may indeed be
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-21 by steve_the_composer
It still doesn t make any sense to me, but I was willing to design some tests to see what results I can get with my E-Mu 2x2 usb-midi interface. The most
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by analogmonster@...
My point wasn t really about midiquest though, it was about the slowing down of sysex messages when using a modern multi core laptop with win 8 Or
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Jason Adkins
Look we all know there is a dodgy version of Midi Quest so lets stop pussyfooting around,I don t use it in fact I uninstalled it but I tried it and the program
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by analogmonster@...
His reasoning makes a lot of sense actually. Midi quest has boxes in its preferences to slow data down by x ms per byte and a few other options. I think
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by steve_the_composer
Interesting. It might be that your solution works, but I am curious about your reasoning. I was under the impression that to communicate with 5-pin din midi
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by jammie
magnetic writing field is weaker in 720k as the tape used was different the 1.44mb disk used a metal type tape material and needed a bigger magnetic write
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by steve_the_composer
Excellent suggestion [trim the previous messages]! I used to do this a whole lot more than I do now. It used to bother me (I get digests), but I decided If
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Jason Adkins
Later versions of WinXP etc removed the ability to format floppies at 720k so:- Go to command prompt and type:- format a: /T:80 /N:9
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Jason Adkins
If you are running WinXP (any version) on your PC with an internal floppy go to command prompt and type:- format a: /t:80 /n:9 then you you have an ST readable
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Daniel Forró
Just format DD disks on PC, and Atari will read them, too. Or there was that old trick with changing one byte in Atari disk boot sector in hex editor, after
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by k9k9dog
ah..i was thinking the 2HD were ok for atari, and was about to get rid of 200 DD disks... since DD don t seem to read on PC. have to transfer over a load of
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Jason Adkins
Hi Gordon, ... The UA-4FX wasn t that cheap new,so yes use decent USB cables (I didn t know this,I must have been lucky with the lead I m using) Normal 5pin
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Gordon JC Pearce
... One thing to watch with cheapy USB leads is they can do some funny interpreting of the MIDI messages. I have one that *seems* to pass sysex just fine
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by fulfil_objective
Hi dedlander, I did some experimenting tonight and I have another thing for you to try. What I think is happening is that your modern computer, and your modern
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Jason Adkins
Daniel, it isn t the end of the world because you can buy reconditioned ones,but yes that can happen but as a temporary solution it s ok,i.e. dumping files
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Daniel Forró
Tough job, as basic concept of EG is different in both systems. I wouldn t use a term ADSR here, as it goes far behind traditional and very limited ADSR
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Jason Adkins
I do know that the CZ can do weird things with the envelope ,your way out of my league man developing that though,I have still got half way to go on my Akai
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Daniel Forró
... You don t mean this seriously, do you? It can t be compared at all. CZ is a piece of cake in the comparison with DX7, especially those algorithms with one
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Daniel Forró
But there are another two millions of warnings not to do this, as DD an HD disks have different parameters, and old FDD were not designed for work with both
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-20 by Lee Borrell
Notably the CZ has (night on) double the number of stages of ADSR- considering myself and my brother are attempting to create editors for both CZ and DX- the
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-19 by Jason Adkins
Thats the one! The CZ are different but almost as annoying to program as an FM synth,I think the you-tube video s have been pimped with delay and reverb.
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-19 by Lee Borrell
Yep- the OTHER write protect hole!!! ________________________________ From: Jason Adkins To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-19 by Jason Adkins
The Atari DIN leads should be fine on PC too, the UA-4FX has normal midi connectors as well as usb. As I have said a million times before,tape the hole up on
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-19 by Lee Borrell
I use the standard D plug to DIN plugs on Win98 - but a USB link on the laptop - which was a cheap buy from ebay and works okay. On Charles s suggestion I got
Re: [CZsynth] Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-19 by Jason Adkins
Buy an Atari ST and download CZ-Android which is a free download from here:- http://tamw.atari-users.net/ (yes loads of artists still use these they are
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-19 by steve_the_composer
This is so odd--evidently your usb-midi cable receives sysex from the CZ but doesn t send it to the CZ. As I understand what we have discussed, the cable sends
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-15 by dedlandar
Nothing happens when I transmit the glide on command back to the CZ. What kind of MIDI USB cable are you guys using?
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-15 by steve_the_composer
Well, it means that the CZ can transmit sysex (at least the glide command) and your PC can receive it. What happens when you turn the glide off and then try to
Re: Can't get sysex to work with a CZ-5000
2013-08-14 by dedlandar
Okay, I ve got the initialize button working again; I just soldered some wires to the switch contact and run them out the battery connector so I can connect