MIS/Piezo/daylight/tungsten
2001-10-11 by sdmey4@aol.com
Oh yes, I have seen the exact same thing and reported it. I believe Martins observations are the same. So what are we to do? Which type of light is normal
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Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by SKID Photography
... But Austin, I don t understand why your test is any more valid than the aforementioned ones? Can you please explain? Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID
Re: Piezography Review
2001-10-11 by TerryR
Martin, I have to agree with you on this one also. I have been doing test images from the 2000P with MIS VM and the 980 with the Piezo system, and even under
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Martin Wesley
... exactly what ... or so to ... one 3000 ... better, I ... if the ... Austin, I sent the file. I printed it just with the Piezo inks using each driver in
Why try to achieve Neutral Gray?
2001-10-11 by lyonscox@mindspring.com
My visit here has been short so far. There is a lot of discussion about what s neutral, etc. THE (caps on purpose) reason to achieve neutral grays from my
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
... Epson driver using quad inks and a quad ink workflow, or Epson driver with Epson inks? ... Of course, but it REALLY is important to see what image they are
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
eMail me the square you made, and I ll print it out. I have a 90x microscope, as well as an XRite 810 densitometer. I can tell exactly what the printer is
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by flacita33@hotmail.com
Oops. I just realized that I posted my message using my home computer s ID -- Flacita. Chris Hargens ... could ... require ... a ... images,
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by flacita33@hotmail.com
In my original post concerning the comparison of Piezo prints and Epson (driver) prints my chief concern was with what difference could be _perceived_ between
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Paul Roark
Austin, Just take the file I sent and in Photoshop reduce contrast and lighten the image to make the black bars a mid-tone gray. I kept the background white.
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Martin Wesley
Austin, Try this quick test with Piezo inks. Creat a 1 square in photoshop and fill it with black. Print it using the Epson driver set to use black ink only.
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
... Paul, The test file you sent me only contains 0 s and 255 s. That contains NO grayscale information. I really don t understand what valid conclusions one
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
... I do not believe that if you have an image that only has 0 s and 255 s (which is the test image that Paul used, and he sent me so I verified that by
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
Martin, I now understand that the test was done with quad inks...but the image that was used contains purely 0 s and 255 s, NO gray tones. Paul send me the
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
... What I read, it was not stated whether it was one ink or quad inks, all that was said was using the Epson driver. That s why I asked for a clarification.
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Martin Wesley
Paul, If you have the time, can you scan the midtone gray results? I will post them and perhaps give everyone a first hand look. Martin ... Epson ... on my ...
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Martin Wesley
Robert, It is just the one file at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/Messa ge%20Related%20Files/ (remember to cut and paste the
Faux Print Mask
2001-10-11 by starchguy@aol.com
Would anyone have any ideas/technique that would allow me to place digital images into a mask that would simulate a 2 1/4 sq. neg outline? This would look
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Paul Roark
Austin, I just tried printing the pattern with a midtone gray, and both the Epson and the Piezo drivers performance dropped just slightly. However, on my
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Robert G. Morrison
Where is the posted file, Martin...I can only find the black results. Robert ... Robert Morrison rmorrison@pobox.com 310-397-2704 4131 Bledsoe Ave. Los
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Martin Wesley
Bill, You make a good point here. The tests were run in full grayscale mode with the full ink sets in use. However, the results may be influenced by how the
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Martin Wesley
Austin, Paul s test and posted results were done with all four MIS inks using his curves and the Epson color driver in comparison to Piezo driver using all 4
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Bill Morse
Austin, I m not sure why you are focussing on halftoning with black ink only, when it seems obvious that the tests were done with two different quad systems
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
... You can use a stochastic pattern, that does not mean it isn t a halftone. Halftone is a technique, and many different methodologies can be used to achieve
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review
2001-10-11 by SKID Photography
... I thought all these printers used stochastic patterns and not halftone patterns (which I thought were in a grid). Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID
Print Exchange 4 Shaun
2001-10-11 by Ruhrfoto/Bernd L.
Shaun, I really don´t want to interrupt your workflow packing the packages, but we all are sooo curious and impatient, please give us a little insight into
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-11 by Austin Franklin
... NOT demonstrated by your test pattern, that is not halftone. The context was halftone...not just black ink. The fact is, when halftoning with the Epson
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review
2001-10-10 by Austin Franklin
... Of course. That s how printing works. There is no true continuous tone...it s simulated...and requires dither/halftone patterns to simulate the
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review
2001-10-10 by SKID Photography
Austin Franklin wrote ... I m a bit confused. .Are you saying that either the Epson or Piezo print continuous tones (like in a photograph) as a halftone
Re: [Digital BW] Competions, Bad...Was Flora: call for enties
2001-10-10 by SKID Photography
Todd, I think usefulness of appearing in the magazines (Graphis and Communication Arts) for self promotion, and the annuals are different then these themed
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Paul Roark
Without attempting to reply to all comments, let me add a little more to my first post. First, there was a specific allegation made in the Piezo review. It
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Martin Wesley
Burkhardt, I have never seen the numbers you mention before. Having seen a number of Morley Baer s 8x10 contact prints I certainly am not going to argue the
Re: Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Ruhrfoto/Bernd L.
... Servus Burckhardt, this is just for those who never heard about the Triton system: 4 cartridges Cone ink for the Epson 3000 are $ 260, 4 (!) carts Triton
Re: [Digital BW] India Ink
2001-10-10 by Jerry Olson
not refined enough to make it through an epson head. Most Carbon Pigment Black inks are pretty good now, though. Jerry
Re: [Digital BW] Competions, Bad...Was Flora: call for enties
2001-10-10 by Todd Flashner
Thanks Harvey, I appreciate your take. I just want to clarify one thing I was speaking of. American Photography was a series of Annuals that I knew of earlier
Re: Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Martin Wesley
Austin, I am comparing quad and hextone MIS to quad and hextome Piezo prints side by side and do not see any difference in quality. Martin ... not the ...
Competions, Bad...Was Flora: call for enties
2001-10-10 by SKID Photography
... First I should say that I have over time, become wary about entering any competitions, therefore it may be me, and not the rest of the world. But my
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Veracity...
2001-10-10 by ternahan
from the mouths of babes......
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Todd Flashner
I think you are probably right that the Epson driver prints black text with black ink only. Paul s test should probably be to scale the density/opacity of the
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Robert G. Morrison
I don t know about the precision of the old measurements (however psychophysics from the turn of the century was typically very good); however, there is no
Grpahics Canada show -- free tickets
2001-10-10 by Johnny Deadman
I have 2 free tickets to the Graphics Canada show (www.graphicscanada.com) which runs from November 8-11 at the International Centre in Toronto. The tickets
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Austin Franklin
... My understanding is the eye has two resolutions, simply because there are two different systems in use. One resolution is edge distinction (basically
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Austin Franklin
Yes, but that s printing with quad inks, right? If so, then it is not the same as printing with only black ink. Perhaps that s our misunderstanding. Are you
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Burkhardt Kiegeland
Please allow me to jump in this way... Those »generally accepted 5lp/mm limit of the human eye« simply is a myth. These measures were taken more than 100
Re: MIS Color Archival Inks
2001-10-10 by grdglass@aol.com
Why not call their toll free number at lunchtime? It s listed on their web site. Helene ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] India Ink
2001-10-10 by SKID Photography
... I assume it s a viscosity or particle size issue. Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID Photography, NYC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Martin Wesley
Austin, I see no difference in the amount of detail or sharpness in prints using MIS VM with the Epson driver in side-by-side comparisons with Piezo. I see
Re: Piezography Review
2001-10-10 by Martin Wesley
Chris, I have Piezo inks and software on a 1200 and MIS VM inks with Paul Roark s curves on a 1280. I do not see any difference in sharpness between the two
RE: [Digital BW] Piezography Review: Piezo v. Epson resolution
2001-10-10 by Austin Franklin
... Can I have the original file you printed out? Using solid black ink to test out a halftone system does not give you valid results, and any conclusions you
Re: Lenswork Special Editions
2001-10-10 by Martin Wesley
Brooks, You can send it to me directly as a Word or text file or simply post it on the list as a message. Whatever is more convienitent for you. Thanks, Martin