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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Mini Wave in Eurorack?

2008-11-26 by Denis Gökdag

Yes, especially a completely assembled unit would definitely generate interest with me :-) Cheers, d On Nov 23, 2008, at 9:59 PM, John Blacet wrote: > I'm trying to decide if this would generate any interest? > > We can redo the PCB so that it has a Doepfer connector and will wor

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-26 by kovski774

or perhaps we can just ban argitoth? the guy's a trainwreck, spoils every message board he signs up to with inane opinions presented as fact and a TOTAL lack of self awareness. --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros wrote: > > yes, good idea. i can then NOT join that g

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Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-26 by Mikhail Novikov

Probably should be added as a poll to "new module ideas" ;) On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:49:00 +0200, Bakis Sirros wrote: > good idea! ;-) > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > www. mysp

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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-26 by yahoo@doepfer.de

> I don't think anyone is advocating that VCOs should produce a > "perfect" sine. > Just simply a clean wave what has no audible buzz or distortion. > That 's what defines a > sine - just the fundamental component. Anything else is NOT A SINE WAVE. > > It seems either ignorant, s

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-26 by jalmari3

> Can someone give me an example of an application that requires > a perfect sine wave? Will a perfect sine do special things when > used as an FM or AM source? I don't think there are too many > people doing additive synthesis, but I can see how it would > benefit from perfect s

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-26 by Argitoth

im definitely satisfied with my analog systems VCO. I'm not sure if I could buy Tip Top Audio VCO, it would have slightly different pitch tracking... hmm. well just check out the non-buzzy tones I was getting out of my Analog Systems VCO today: http://www.elanhickler.com/misc/ana

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Re: MIDI Converter Design?

2008-11-26 by genxtargetmarket

Hello Mr. Blacet, I'm currently using 2 x Analogue Solutions M2CV units. The only thing that I would think to add to these would be a DIP switch, or rotary selector, that would 'hard-set' the MIDI channel. This would be in addition to having the very handy MIDI Learn button/featu

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] MIDI Converter Design?

2008-11-26 by achtung_999

you wouldn't want it argitoth because it will not make perfect sine waves On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Argitoth wrote: > PolyDAC will *SHORTLY* be avaiable? So... limited edition? I'd like > one of those, but I'm not sure I could afford it when it's available. > > [Non-text p

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a110 to trade

2008-11-26 by musicagenera

hello I would like to trade A110 VCO for A-100 DIY Kit #1 please contact me if you interested thanks best r

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] MIDI Converter Design?

2008-11-25 by Elby Designs - Laurie Biddulph

The PolyDAC (from Paul Maddox) will shortly be available as a Eurorack module... Best regards Laurie Biddulph www.elby-designs.com On Tue Nov 25 14:26 , Bakis Sirros sent: >i assume you will make this in euro format also, hence the question in this group, right? >it would be grea

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Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Mini Wave in Eurorack?

2008-11-25 by Bakis Sirros

as long as it contained new interesting wavetables, i would not care at all if these where PPG wavetables, or not. so, a Doepfer wavetable Osc, with new wavetables, would be very interesting for me! (and not only for me i guess). Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected /

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] MIDI Converter Design?

2008-11-25 by Bakis Sirros

i assume you will make this in euro format also, hence the question in this group, right? it would be great if you would make some Blacet modules in euro! Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist [Doepfer_a100] group owner www. parallel - worlds - music. com

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Bakis Sirros

yes, good idea. i can then NOT join that group... Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist [Doepfer_a100] group owner www. parallel - worlds - music. com www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic www. myspace. com/ memoryg

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Mini Wave in Eurorack?

2008-11-25 by thighpaulsandraslingsby

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros wrote: > > as long as it contained new interesting wavetables, i would not care at all if these where PPG wavetables, or not. > > so, a Doepfer wavetable Osc, with new wavetables, would be very interesting for me! (and not only fo

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by ybl@yahoo.com

+1 This thread has become a brain-sucking ghoul. Sent via BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Frequency Divider Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:31:52 To: Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality? i would like to suggest the creation of a seper

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MIDI Converter Design?

2008-11-25 by John Blacet

OK, enough about sine waves.....sheesh. (No natural instrument has a "good" sine wave). I'm designing a MIDI converter. MIDI to CV plus sequencer commands. It's monophonic. Preliminary panel picture on blacet.com. What do you folks find absolutley essential about these things, (w

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Re: MIDI Converter Design?

2008-11-25 by Doug

I was looking for four cv/gate channels in euro format. I went with the PAiA and made a faceplate. I realize this is not the answer you wanted. :) Doug --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "John Blacet" wrote: > > OK, enough about sine waves.....sheesh. (No natural instrument has

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by achtung_999

My thoughts indeed. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Herman Pearl wrote: > Argitoth, > I'm amazed by your tendency to lecture and complain to > people with huge modular systems and decades of experience. > It's really strange. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been re

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Mark Pulver

I'm not at home, and I get the impression that you're gonna want an absolute answer not something from memory, so I'm dodging your question right now. But, I'd like to comment in a different way against your statement: >I don't think anyone is advocating that VCOs should produce

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Mikhail Novikov

Nice that you stay cheerful, but discussion IS getting annoying. This discussion already joined my list of holywars among with PC vs Mac and Gibson vs Fender. I really think discussion about other modulars and theory of synthesis are okay in this group, but only until they reach

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Argitoth

Frequency Divider, you are missing the point. 1. Discuss Tip Top Audio VCO waveform quality 2. Compate Top Top Audio VCO to other VCOs 3. Discover that Tip Top Audio sine/tri aren't that great 4. Discover that very few VCOs have much better waveshapes 5. Discuss how one might get

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by James Husted

Interesting - the other scope shots show a difference from what muffwiggler says. He says "The square wave and saw are perfect as near as I can see." and all the square wave shots I have seen have slanted tops and bottoms and the Saws have a sag. Maybe there are differences in pr

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Frequency Divider

i would like to suggest the creation of a seperate list or yahoo group for any future sine wave purity discussions. you could even join the alternate tunings list for obsessive talk about tuning the vco in cents and fractions of cents Argitoth schreef: > > > btw, here's the Tip T

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Argitoth

btw, here's the Tip Top Audio VCO waveform test: http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2158 Is it just me or does Analogue Systems VCO produce better traingles and sines? Thanks James, Laryn91, I just recorded my synth using the filter as a waveshaper. Good tracking is

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by James Husted

Not at all! I am quite satisfied with the sound of modern synths. I have no problems with the sound of new synths. I bought my first synth in 1974, a Synthi VCS3 (for $500 BTW) an have owned almost every major brand old school synth since then (Pro-Ones, Oberheim 4 & 2, Arps, Rol

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Robert Voso

Worst. Thread. Ever. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Argitoth wrote: > and O is circular, sine = circular, produces an "OOOOO" sound. SWEET! > Some letters actually look like their sounds. > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Argitoth wrote: > > Yeah, exactly!

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Chris Muir

On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:38 AM, laryn91 wrote: > 1 - VCFs don't track nearly as accurately as VCOs so I can hear > timbre changes when pitch > changes I'm not sure that there's anything inherent in filters that make it harder to get them to track. That said, for sure they don't get

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Argitoth

and O is circular, sine = circular, produces an "OOOOO" sound. SWEET! Some letters actually look like their sounds. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Argitoth wrote: > Yeah, exactly! I figured Tip Top Audioo VCO sine was NOT buzzy, but > just harmonically rich, there's a huge dif

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Argitoth

Yeah, exactly! I figured Tip Top Audioo VCO sine was NOT buzzy, but just harmonically rich, there's a huge difference. Buzzy sounds like "ZZZZZ," harmonically rich sounds like, "VVVVV." Buzzy, BAD, harmonically rich, ACCEPTABLE. Holy crap, did you just notice that the letter V lo

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Mark Pulver

Ummm, there's nothing "buzzy" about the sine in the Z3000. I think that word was being used in the thread for another VCO. ----- laryn91 (09:34 AM 11/25/2008) wrote: >I don't think anyone is advocating that VCOs should produce a "perfect" sine. >Just simply a clean wave what has

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by laryn91

Hove you successfully done this or just hypothesizing? 1 - VCFs don't track nearly as accurately as VCOs so I can hear timbre changes when pitch changes 2 - The VCF introduces a phase shift so the VCO waves are no longer sync'd in a determined way. 3 - The level of the "sine" cha

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by laryn91

Are there audible harmonics in addition to the fundamental? --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pulver wrote: > > > Ummm, there's nothing "buzzy" about the sine in the Z3000. I think that > word was being used in the thread for another VCO. > > ----- > laryn91 (09:34 AM 11/

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by laryn91

I don't think anyone is advocating that VCOs should produce a "perfect" sine. Just simply a clean wave what has no audible buzz or distortion. That 's what defines a sine - just the fundamental component. Anything else is NOT A SINE WAVE. It seems either ignorant, sloppy or misle

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Mark

Hi James; Tiptop didn't set out to make a perfect sine - in fact, one of the things that the testers talked about during beta was just how wonderful this sine _sounds_. I agree that I wouldn't use this sine as a LFO source for the perfect panner or some-such, but you really shoul

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Sean Williams

> >> Another question... why is it that people ascribe a certain sound to > modern modulars? Why a certain sound to vintage? I would suggest that the individual sound of vintage synths was a function of their circuit design, especially the filter design, but since many manufactur

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Guy Drieghe D.

I assume this is a typo ? : "and I'm also guessing that its sine is not buzzy either, just harmonically rich" _g On 25 Nov 2008, at 10:12, Argitoth wrote: > A good sine assists in the creation of nice soft waveforms, moves you > away from the buzzy, sharp square/saw paradigm, all

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Frequency Divider

For all sine wave obsessed folks on this list here's some more for you to read http://dubshot.blogspot.com/2008/10/basswatch-3-cult-of-sine-wave-enter.html especially the links to a sinewave shootout and an article by Bernie Hutchins under 'Digital vs. Analog' > Can someone give

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Argitoth

A good sine assists in the creation of nice soft waveforms, moves you away from the buzzy, sharp square/saw paradigm, allows you to create classic "glassy" sounds, sounds with resonances, soft tones, sounds not easily copyable. To achieve a cleaner sine out of my oscillators woul

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Doug

> > But about those "sine" waves... ;-) > > Can someone give me an example of an application that requires a perfect sine wave? Will a perfect sine do special things when used as an FM or AM source? I don't think there are too many people doing additive synthesis, but I can see h

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Bakis Sirros

design them yourself then... Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist [Doepfer_a100] group owner www. parallel - worlds - music. com www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic www. myspace. com/ memorygeist www. DiN. org. u

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Argitoth

James Husted, you come from an era of great synths. Can you tell me if this lack of quality in today's lower-cost modular synths have translated to worse quality in overall sound? Or is it that when I rip out a sweet screaming synth bassline or lead that I am getting a sound that

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by James Husted

Well after starting this branch of the thread I went down and plugged in all my VCOs to a scope and they all lack in "perfectness" from the true waveshapes. I used to teach electronic music back in the 70's with an Arp 2500 and those old synths had great waveforms if I remember c

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Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by laryn91

Oh BTW, i don't mean to imply that I think Deopfer modules are sloppy or poor designs - just the opposite. Deopfer modules appear to be high quality designs and build, a massive selection that sound great and manufactured and sold at very economical prices. And super reliable too

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular - Z3000 waveform quality?

2008-11-25 by Argitoth

laryn91, haha, finally someone on my side. I spent over $3000 on my analog synth. Some of that money was spent replacing crappy-designed modules... there are no impurities in analog, only badly designed circuit boards. The impurity is only in the digital world. On Mon, Nov 24, 20

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