QTR-Quadtone RIP

QTR 2.3.10
Quad2200-UT7 ink
XP

I'm trying to run an ink density calibration but when I print the
paper will just travel all the way through the printer without
printing or it will just start to go through and stop.  The first
calibration I ran printed just fine but now the second print hangs or
goes all the way through.  Sometimes if I cancel the print job and
reboot it will work but most times the same thing happens.  I just
cancelled the job and tried to print an image and it printed just fine
so I tried to print the calbration print again and it hangs.  However
sometimes images have the problem too.  My 1280 used to do it too.  I
can't determine a pattern to the problem.  When I print with Qimage
through the Epson driver it always prints correctly.

Has this happend to anybody?

Thanks,

Tom

Mine does that too and not only on the calibration test but also on 
normal images. The red paper light comes on, I reload the paper, press 
the fault button and 95% of the time it works. The other 5% I cancel the 
print in windows print manager and re run it. I would say this happens 
20% of the tiome with A4 & 80% with A3 images.

Howard

Tom Husband wrote:

> QTR 2.3.10
> Quad2200-UT7 ink
> XP
> 
> I'm trying to run an ink density calibration but when I print the
> paper will just travel all the way through the printer without
> printing or it will just start to go through and stop.  The first
> calibration I ran printed just fine but now the second print hangs or
> goes all the way through.  Sometimes if I cancel the print job and
> reboot it will work but most times the same thing happens.  I just
> cancelled the job and tried to print an image and it printed just fine
> so I tried to print the calbration print again and it hangs.  However
> sometimes images have the problem too.  My 1280 used to do it too.  I
> can't determine a pattern to the problem.  When I print with Qimage
> through the Epson driver it always prints correctly.
> 
> Has this happend to anybody?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom
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Tom,

I have often experienced the same problem with an Epson 2100 when using HPR
and QTR. Epson papers are less of a problem and, as you say, with the Epson
driver there is no problem. 

It seems to be caused by a slight slippage in the paper feed, possibly due
to some coating transfer from paper to drive rollers. It usually occurs
after a few prints have been successfully completed. Feeding from the rear
feed slot is always recommended for thicker papers. I have generally
overcome the problem when feeding the lighter HPR paper (188g/m^2) from the
top by encouraging the paper feed by hand with a gentle initial push. 

Regards,   John T

-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Husband
Sent: 06 November 2005 23:24
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] 2200 Printing Problem

QTR 2.3.10
Quad2200-UT7 ink
XP

I'm trying to run an ink density calibration but when I print the
paper will just travel all the way through the printer without
printing or it will just start to go through and stop.  The first
calibration I ran printed just fine but now the second print hangs or
goes all the way through.  Sometimes if I cancel the print job and
reboot it will work but most times the same thing happens.  I just
cancelled the job and tried to print an image and it printed just fine
so I tried to print the calbration print again and it hangs.  However
sometimes images have the problem too.  My 1280 used to do it too.  I
can't determine a pattern to the problem.  When I print with Qimage
through the Epson driver it always prints correctly.

Has this happend to anybody?

Thanks,

Tom


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Thanks John.  I haven't tried using the rear feeder but have tried to give 
the paper a little push but it will still jams.  When it jams that is,  half 
the time the paper will just travel all the way though the printer.  It 
doesn't seem to matter what paper I use.  Lately it's been Moab Kayenta 
which isn't very thick.

Tom
----- Original Message ----- 

From: "John Tunley" <john.tunley@...>
To: <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:12 AM
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] 2200 Printing Problem


> Tom,
>
> I have often experienced the same problem with an Epson 2100 when using 
> HPR
> and QTR. Epson papers are less of a problem and, as you say, with the 
> Epson
> driver there is no problem.
>
> It seems to be caused by a slight slippage in the paper feed, possibly due
> to some coating transfer from paper to drive rollers. It usually occurs
> after a few prints have been successfully completed. Feeding from the rear
> feed slot is always recommended for thicker papers. I have generally
> overcome the problem when feeding the lighter HPR paper (188g/m^2) from 
> the
> top by encouraging the paper feed by hand with a gentle initial push.
>
> Regards,   John T

Tom Husband wrote:
> Thanks Howard.  When you say the fault button is that the ones with 
> sheet of paper symbol?  When mine jams or when the paper goes all the 
> way through the power and paper lights blink.
>  
> Tom
> 
Yes, sorry I meant the paper button. I can't remember if the power 
button flashes as well.

Howard

I get this problem with the Epson driver regardless of paper or 
thickness. Sometimes I have to repeatedly cancel the printing job in the 
printer queue, shut off the 2200 for enough time to clear the memory, 
then restart the printer and send the job anew - in that order. Often 
only one iteration of the sequence clears the printer, but sometimes it 
just won't go away and an uninstall/reinstall of the driver is 
necessary. Note again, that this happens with the Epson driver, not 
exclusively with QTR, in fact, I can't remember it happening in QTR, but 
maybe that's just my memory and the fact that I don't print with QTR all 
that frequently!

Frank

This feeding issue with the 2200 is a stange occurrence.  It seems to get worse as
a printer ages -- like something is wearing down.  I don't remember it happening
ever on my printer but I have seen it happen on heavily used printers.

I've been looking at the Epson driver output and it outputs an extra undocumented
command, so I'll add that to the next version of QTR.  Unfortunately since my printer
doesn't fail it'll be hard for me to know if it helps.

Roy



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frank Kolwicz <kolwicz@e...> wrote:

>
> I get this problem with the Epson driver regardless of paper or 
> thickness. Sometimes I have to repeatedly cancel the printing job in the 
> printer queue, shut off the 2200 for enough time to clear the memory, 
> then restart the printer and send the job anew - in that order. Often 
> only one iteration of the sequence clears the printer, but sometimes it 
> just won't go away and an uninstall/reinstall of the driver is 
> necessary. Note again, that this happens with the Epson driver, not 
> exclusively with QTR, in fact, I can't remember it happening in QTR, but 
> maybe that's just my memory and the fact that I don't print with QTR all 
> that frequently!
> 
> Frank
>

Thanks Roy.  I'd appreciate any help at all.  I've
been wracking my brain trying to understand the
problem.  It's intermittent but happening more times
than not.  Some times the paper stops at the beginning
and other times it just travels all the way through. 
Would the log help at all?

Tom

--- Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:

This feeding issue with the 2200 is a stange
occurrence.  It seems to get worse as
a printer ages -- like something is wearing down.  I
don't remember it happening
ever on my printer but I have seen it happen on
heavily used printers.

I've been looking at the Epson driver output and it
outputs an extra undocumented
command, so I'll add that to the next version of QTR. 
Unfortunately since my printer
doesn't fail it'll be hard for me to know if it helps.

Roy

The log doesn't say anything because the software doesn't know any of this is
happening.  I've also heard that a backing board in the sheet loader may help.
There's one in most of the Epson paper boxes.  Also a slight pressure on the paper
as it tries to load may help encourage it to feed at the right time.  

Do you have the situation where it feeds better in the Epson driver vs QTR?  Or does
it happen with that driver too?

Roy

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Tom Husband <thusband@s...> wrote:

>
> Thanks Roy.  I'd appreciate any help at all.  I've
> been wracking my brain trying to understand the
> problem.  It's intermittent but happening more times
> than not.  Some times the paper stops at the beginning
> and other times it just travels all the way through. 
> Would the log help at all?
> 
> Tom
> 
> --- Roy Harrington <roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> This feeding issue with the 2200 is a stange
> occurrence.  It seems to get worse as
> a printer ages -- like something is wearing down.  I
> don't remember it happening
> ever on my printer but I have seen it happen on
> heavily used printers.
> 
> I've been looking at the Epson driver output and it
> outputs an extra undocumented
> command, so I'll add that to the next version of QTR. 
> Unfortunately since my printer
> doesn't fail it'll be hard for me to know if it helps.
> 
> Roy
>

Would anybody have any idea where to start looking for the problem in
this thread?  The paper either stops right at the beginning of the
print cycle or it goes all the way through without printing.  I'm on
XP with a direct USB connected 2200.  The printer is about 8 months
old and this problem has been around for a while but has gotten to the
point now where I can't print with QTR.  The Epson driver is fine and
causes no problem.  I'm at my wits end here and can't use QTR.

Would the length of USB cable be a problem?  Right now it's about 10
or 12 feet.  

Thanks,

Tom

I had the Frank Kolwicz problem with 250GSM and 300GSM paper (heavy
stuff).

Initially I was able to use the top loader with these papers, with
just a little push or flexing the paper initially to reduce its
stiffness. 

After a few dozen prints I had Frank's problem (below). Something did
seem to wear, maybe a microswitch?

My fix was to load from the rear, the way I was supposed to in the
beginning...however the printer remained cranky until I put it through
something like Frank's sequence, as well as rebooting. Once I did that
it became totally reliable again. There was no need to
uninstall/reinstall the drivers.

Aborted jobs (sometimes?) wind up as huge memory-hogging files in Temp
memory (or somewhere else), so it's important to do a Disc Cleanup
after problems.
 


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frank Kolwicz <kolwicz@e...> wrote:
>
> I get this problem with the Epson driver regardless of paper or 
> thickness. Sometimes I have to repeatedly cancel the printing job in
the 

> printer queue, shut off the 2200 for enough time to clear the memory, 
> then restart the printer and send the job anew - in that order. Often 
> only one iteration of the sequence clears the printer, but sometimes it 
> just won't go away and an uninstall/reinstall of the driver is 
> necessary.

I've just begun to get this problem with my 2200 and using QTR (but I 
really don't use the Epson driver much so can't say if the problem 
happens there too).  First it was just heavier papers HPR 308 etc. 
but now it has also been happening with EE.  Feeding from the 
straight slot works fine (but is inconvenient).  

I've tried watching carefully as the feed process starts and it looks 
like the feeder is very sensitive to the paper being perfectly flat 
in the Z axis.  If there is any bowing then the front sheet won't 
enter the narrow slot.  I dont' know why this would be a problem now 
versus prior as I don't do anything differently today than before. 

sorry to only echo the problem w/out providing any new solution...



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "djon43" <djon43@y...> wrote:
>
> I had the Frank Kolwicz problem with 250GSM and 300GSM paper (heavy
> stuff).
> 
> Initially I was able to use the top loader with these papers, with
> just a little push or flexing the paper initially to reduce its
> stiffness. 
> 
> After a few dozen prints I had Frank's problem (below). Something 
did
> seem to wear, maybe a microswitch?
> 
> My fix was to load from the rear, the way I was supposed to in the
> beginning...however the printer remained cranky until I put it 
through
> something like Frank's sequence, as well as rebooting. Once I did 
that
> it became totally reliable again. There was no need to
> uninstall/reinstall the drivers.
> 
> Aborted jobs (sometimes?) wind up as huge memory-hogging files in 
Temp
> memory (or somewhere else), so it's important to do a Disc Cleanup
> after problems.
>  
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frank Kolwicz <kolwicz@e...> 
wrote:
> >
> > I get this problem with the Epson driver regardless of paper or 
> > thickness. Sometimes I have to repeatedly cancel the printing job 
in
> the 
> > printer queue, shut off the 2200 for enough time to clear the 
memory, 
> > then restart the printer and send the job anew - in that order. 
Often 
> > only one iteration of the sequence clears the printer, but 
sometimes it 

> > just won't go away and an uninstall/reinstall of the driver is 
> > necessary.
>

Roy,

I've been having this problem for quite a while and I don't use my 2200 heavily, maybe 10-20 prints a month. I wonder if it isn't related to some paper's coating creating a dust that gets into the paper traction mechanism or a dusty environment.

When brand-new all papers fed without any manual help, even fairly thick/stiff ones, but now I have to *carefully* guide and slightly push most papers for the mechanism to properly grab them just before the main printing action rollers. And, since I've been having some problems printing, I've noticed that the second and subsequent times a sheet has been fed is much more difficult than the first time.

Frank

____________________________________________________
 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 00:00:20 -0000

   From: "Roy Harrington" <roy@...>
Subject: Re: 2200 Printing Problem


This feeding issue with the 2200 is a stange occurrence.  It seems to get worse as
a printer ages -- like something is wearing down.  I don't remember it happening
ever on my printer but I have seen it happen on heavily used printers.

I've been looking at the Epson driver output and it outputs an extra undocumented
command, so I'll add that to the next version of QTR.  Unfortunately since my printer
doesn't fail it'll be hard for me to know if it helps.

Roy

> I've been having this problem for quite a while and I don't use
> my 2200 heavily, maybe 10-20 prints a month. I wonder if it isn't
> related to some paper's coating creating a dust that gets into
> the paper traction mechanism or a dusty environment.

Don't you remember that funny little piece of flat plastic with a bit of
foam on the end that came with your printer...?

You are supposed to dampen it with plain old water and then run the paper
feed while is rubs up against the paper feed rollers.

With coated rag type papers the rollers very quickly become coated with a
layer of dust and coating stuff from the coating and become ineffective. A
quick clean usually restores them for a while - but it doesn't take long for
the coating to build up again and feed problems to recur

I think the thicker the paper (and the fancier the coating/price) the worse
the paper is for causing this.

EHM barely causes it, glossy/semi-gloss not at all - any of the more art
papers - for sure

tim a

funny little piece of flat plastic with a bit of
> foam on the end that came with your printer...?
> 
> You are supposed to dampen it with plain old water and then run the 
paper
> feed while is rubs up against the paper feed rollers.
>  

No, I don't remember that piece. What's it called? I've never seen it 
in the Epson lineup. 

I'd have thought someone else sold this as an accessory.

What's a good alternative? 

John Kelly/Albuquerque

> No, I don't remember that piece. What's it called? I've never seen it
> in the Epson lineup.
>
> I'd have thought someone else sold this as an accessory.
>

Actually, I think it's more for cleaning up inside where the printer head
run and splotches ink.

a damp J-Cloth and your finger - just try not to let the cloth get sucked
into the paper feed...

tim

What's a J-Cloth?

John


> 
> a damp J-Cloth and your finger - just try not to let the cloth get
sucked

> into the paper feed...
> 
> tim
>