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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GAmoore@... 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:39 PM
  Subject: [Logic_Cafe] sheet music


  Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does it, but it 
  seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was able to open them in 
  the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It more or less 
  did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the higher end products, but 
  it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo quarter note 
  = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and paste chords and 
  things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final print versoin of 
  a song?

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Currington 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music



  On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:

  > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  > >>
  > >> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does it,
  > but it
  > >> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was able to
  > open them in
  > >> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It more
  > or less
  > >> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the higher end
  > products, but
  > >> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
  > quarter note
  > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and paste
  > chords and
  > >> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final print
  > versoin of
  > >> a song?
  >
  > >there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
  > >professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  > >i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the sibelius
  > >user brag about it being the best program and finale users bragging
  > >about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
  > >with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on the
  > >user's background.
  > >i do recommend finale.
  > >pinineco
  > >
  > >
  >
  Hi...

  I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in New 
  Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased 
  Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional environment. 
  Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my 
  compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff. 
  I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but that 
  is fine.

  I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is 
  Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't 
  (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds - applicable 
  to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have 
  found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way 
  easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the 
  move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters 
  of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and 
  processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly is a 
  criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..

  I

  Stephen Currington
  Wellington, New Zealand

  email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Currington 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music




  On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
  >
  > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
  >
  > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  > > >>
  > > >> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does 
  > it,
  > > but it
  > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was 
  > able to
  > > open them in
  > > >> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It 
  > more
  > > or less
  > > >> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the higher end
  > > products, but
  > > >> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
  > > quarter note
  > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and 
  > paste
  > > chords and
  > > >> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final 
  > print
  > > versoin of
  > > >> a song?
  > >
  > > >there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
  > > >professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  > > >i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the sibelius
  > > >user brag about it being the best program and finale users bragging
  > > >about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
  > > >with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on 
  > the
  > > >user's background.
  > > >i do recommend finale.
  > > >pinineco
  > > >
  > > >
  > >
  > Hi...
  >
  > I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in New
  > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
  > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional environment.
  > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
  > compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
  > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but that
  > is fine.
  >
  > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
  > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
  > (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds - applicable
  > to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
  > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
  > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
  > move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
  > of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
  > processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly is a
  > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
  >
  > I
  >
  > Stephen Currington
  > Wellington, New Zealand
  >
  > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  >
  >

  And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius 
  Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to 
  how to questions and issues.
  Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely 
  knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real 
  support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product 
  development team..
  This is a real bonus..

  Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly 
  group.

  Stephen Currington
  Wellington, New Zealand



   

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Currington 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] sheet music




  On 22/09/2008, at 8:39 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

  > Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does it, 
  > but it
  > seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was able to 
  > open them in
  > the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It more 
  > or less
  > did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the higher end 
  > products, but
  > it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo 
  > quarter note
  > = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and paste 
  > chords and
  > things.
  >
  >
  In Sibelius it is pretty quick. There are keyboard shortcuts but 
  using a mouse (the longest process for many of us) you just...

  1/ Highlight the note/position you wish the tempo to start at
  2/ Mouse select Create | Text | Metronome 
  mark (keyboard shortcut Option+Command+T 
  (on a MAC))
  3/ Right mouse click (or type tempo the info you want)
  4/ Pop up menu appears.. you select the note value (the symbol) ala 
  quartet note (Crotchet)
  then type = and then type the BPM ala 120 and wham it is 
  done.

  There are also keywords you can type instead ala "andante" etc which 
  have preset default BPM but I nearly always write mine our as above 
  because it is clearer when reading...

  Seems long but in reality is only a couple of key strokes and a 
  number...

  Steve Currington
  Wellington, New Zealand

  24" iMac 2.8Ghz, 4Gb RAM, 320 Gb HDD, 1Tb Ext HDD,
  Sibelius 5.2, Logic Studio v8

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On 23/09/2008, at 7:37 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> - Oh yeah. I expected to be able to grab a note or group of notes  
> and move
> them in Finale - but there turns out to be a right click function  
> then you have
> to transpose.
> - I found you could not import a midi file, then add a key  
> signature, because
> it would transpose everything
> - couldn't copy and paste notes (e.g. "chorus") or chord symbols
> - seemed like I had to enter the tempo three times
> - it was nice to be able to have it analyze chords automatically but  
> about
> 50% of the time they were totally wrong
> - chord symbols would not let me enter certain things
> - couldn't see a way to force a page break or measure break
> - etc.
>
> I think I will try Sibelius too. I know they have a demo. There is  
> another
> one called Notion I think too.
>
>>
>> I just remember that the big issue in all of these programs is once  
>> the note
>> has already been entered, how easy is it to change? In Print music,  
>> it's
>> very cumbersone, whereas in Logic, it's very easy. I have been  
>> doing things in
>> Logic, converting to MIDI files and importing to Finale. But, if  
>> anything goes
>> wrong or needs to be fixed, it's complicated.
>>
>>
>>
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anyse Joslin 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:37 PM
  Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  Hello,

  Finale is a bit expensive, so I use Harmony Assistant. It prints LOVELY music sheets and you 
  have great versatility with them as well. Take a look at the Myriad site to see what YOU think 
  about it. For simpler input, there is also Melody Assistant. You can download free trails of 30 
  days to see if they will work for you.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Kilgour 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did, 
  and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from 
  it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
  On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

  > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch 
  > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Steve Currington
  > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  >
  > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
  > >
  > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
  > >
  > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  > > > >>
  > > > >> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does
  > > it,
  > > > but it
  > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
  > > able to
  > > > open them in
  > > > >> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It
  > > more
  > > > or less
  > > > >> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the 
  > higher end
  > > > products, but
  > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
  > > > quarter note
  > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
  > > paste
  > > > chords and
  > > > >> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
  > > print
  > > > versoin of
  > > > >> a song?
  > > >
  > > > >there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
  > > > >professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  > > > >i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the 
  > sibelius
  > > > >user brag about it being the best program and finale users 
  > bragging
  > > > >about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
  > > > >with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on
  > > the
  > > > >user's background.
  > > > >i do recommend finale.
  > > > >pinineco
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  > > Hi...
  > >
  > > I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in 
  > New
  > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
  > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional environment.
  > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
  > > compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
  > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but that
  > > is fine.
  > >
  > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
  > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
  > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds - 
  > applicable
  > > to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
  > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
  > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
  > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
  > > of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
  > > processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly 
  > is a
  > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
  > >
  > > I
  > >
  > > Stephen Currington
  > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > >
  > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  > >
  > >
  >
  > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
  > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
  > how to questions and issues.
  > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
  > knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
  > support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
  > development team..
  > This is a real bonus..
  >
  > Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
  > group.
  >
  > Stephen Currington
  > Wellington, New Zealand
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On 24/09/2008, at 2:07 PM, John Kilgour wrote:

> I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did,
> and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from
> it.  Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
> On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>
>> If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch
>> to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Steve Currington
>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>>
>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
>>>
>>>> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does
>>> it,
>>>> but it
>>>>>> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
>>> able to
>>>> open them in
>>>>>> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It
>>> more
>>>> or less
>>>>>> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
>> higher end
>>>> products, but
>>>>>> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
>>>> quarter note
>>>>>> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
>>> paste
>>>> chords and
>>>>>> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
>>> print
>>>> versoin of
>>>>>> a song?
>>>>
>>>>> there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
>>>>> professionals use are finale and sibelius.
>>>>> i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
>> sibelius
>>>>> user brag about it being the best program and finale users
>> bragging
>>>>> about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
>>>>> with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on
>>> the
>>>>> user's background.
>>>>> i do recommend finale.
>>>>> pinineco
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hi...
>>>
>>> I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in
>> New
>>> Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
>>> Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional environment.
>>> Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
>>> compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
>>> I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but that
>>> is fine.
>>>
>>> I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
>>> Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
>>> (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
>> applicable
>>> to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
>>> found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
>>> easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
>>> move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
>>> of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
>>> processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly
>> is a
>>> criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>> Stephen Currington
>>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>>
>>> email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
>>> currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
>> Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
>> how to questions and issues.
>> Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
>> knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
>> support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
>> development team..
>> This is a real bonus..
>>
>> Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
>> group.
>>
>> Stephen Currington
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Currington 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  My guess is it would depend on what you provide as the autograph copy 
  that the notation person has to use.
  Big Mess.. more time = more cost

  Clean copy shorter and easier work. less cost..

  That is reality.

  Stephen Currington
  Wellington, New Zealand

  email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz

  On 24/09/2008, at 2:07 PM, John Kilgour wrote:

  > I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did,
  > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from
  > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
  > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  >
  >> If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch
  >> to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: Steve Currington
  >> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  >> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  >>
  >> On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
  >>>
  >>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
  >>>
  >>>> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does
  >>> it,
  >>>> but it
  >>>>>> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
  >>> able to
  >>>> open them in
  >>>>>> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It
  >>> more
  >>>> or less
  >>>>>> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
  >> higher end
  >>>> products, but
  >>>>>> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
  >>>> quarter note
  >>>>>> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
  >>> paste
  >>>> chords and
  >>>>>> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
  >>> print
  >>>> versoin of
  >>>>>> a song?
  >>>>
  >>>>> there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
  >>>>> professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  >>>>> i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
  >> sibelius
  >>>>> user brag about it being the best program and finale users
  >> bragging
  >>>>> about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
  >>>>> with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on
  >>> the
  >>>>> user's background.
  >>>>> i do recommend finale.
  >>>>> pinineco
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>
  >>> Hi...
  >>>
  >>> I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in
  >> New
  >>> Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
  >>> Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional environment.
  >>> Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
  >>> compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
  >>> I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but that
  >>> is fine.
  >>>
  >>> I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
  >>> Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
  >>> (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
  >> applicable
  >>> to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
  >>> found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
  >>> easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
  >>> move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
  >>> of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
  >>> processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly
  >> is a
  >>> criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
  >>>
  >>> I
  >>>
  >>> Stephen Currington
  >>> Wellington, New Zealand
  >>>
  >>> email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  >>> currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
  >> And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
  >> Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
  >> how to questions and issues.
  >> Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
  >> knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
  >> support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
  >> development team..
  >> This is a real bonus..
  >>
  >> Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
  >> group.
  >>
  >> Stephen Currington
  >> Wellington, New Zealand
  >>
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On 24/09/2008, at 5:17 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

> I don't understand this response and wonder if we are on the same  
> page.  The way I work is the person sends me an MP3 and by ear I  
> write it out.  Then I input it directly into Finale.  What do you  
> mean by your message below?
>
> t
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Steve Currington
>  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:24 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>
>
>  My guess is it would depend on what you provide as the autograph copy
>  that the notation person has to use.
>  Big Mess.. more time = more cost
>
>  Clean copy shorter and easier work. less cost..
>
>  That is reality.
>
>  Stephen Currington
>  Wellington, New Zealand
>
>  email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
>  currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz
>
>  On 24/09/2008, at 2:07 PM, John Kilgour wrote:
>
>> I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did,
>> and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from
>> it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
>> On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>>
>>> If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch
>>> to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Steve Currington
>>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>>>
>>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does
>>>> it,
>>>>> but it
>>>>>>> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
>>>> able to
>>>>> open them in
>>>>>>> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It
>>>> more
>>>>> or less
>>>>>>> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
>>> higher end
>>>>> products, but
>>>>>>> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
>>>>> quarter note
>>>>>>> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
>>>> paste
>>>>> chords and
>>>>>>> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
>>>> print
>>>>> versoin of
>>>>>>> a song?
>>>>>
>>>>>> there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
>>>>>> professionals use are finale and sibelius.
>>>>>> i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
>>> sibelius
>>>>>> user brag about it being the best program and finale users
>>> bragging
>>>>>> about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
>>>>>> with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on
>>>> the
>>>>>> user's background.
>>>>>> i do recommend finale.
>>>>>> pinineco
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hi...
>>>>
>>>> I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in
>>> New
>>>> Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
>>>> Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional  
>>>> environment.
>>>> Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
>>>> compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
>>>> I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but  
>>>> that
>>>> is fine.
>>>>
>>>> I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
>>>> Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
>>>> (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
>>> applicable
>>>> to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
>>>> found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
>>>> easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
>>>> move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
>>>> of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
>>>> processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly
>>> is a
>>>> criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Currington
>>>> Wellington, New Zealand
>>>>
>>>> email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
>>>> currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
>>> Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
>>> how to questions and issues.
>>> Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
>>> knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
>>> support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
>>> development team..
>>> This is a real bonus..
>>>
>>> Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
>>> group.
>>>
>>> Stephen Currington
>>> Wellington, New Zealand
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>> I don't understand this response and wonder if we are on the same page. The 
>> way I work is the person sends me an MP3 and by ear I write it out. Then I 
>> input it directly into Finale. What do you mean by your message below? 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Currington 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  I have had people send me a rough draft in hand-written music what 
  they want and asked me to notate it for them.
  They did not have a notation package and have maybe recorded it as a 
  track and then scribbled it down by hand and want it produced in a 
  professional looking hard copy.
  Some are provided nice and clean and clear and for others the hand- 
  written stuff is scruffy and incomplete.

  We are talking about the same sort of thing just with different 
  provided base materials to work from.

  So my comment stands.. depends on what is provided as to the work 
  involved and the associated costs.

  Stephen Currington
  Wellington, New Zealand

  email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz

  On 24/09/2008, at 5:17 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

  > I don't understand this response and wonder if we are on the same 
  > page. The way I work is the person sends me an MP3 and by ear I 
  > write it out. Then I input it directly into Finale. What do you 
  > mean by your message below?
  >
  > t
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Steve Currington
  > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:24 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  >
  >
  > My guess is it would depend on what you provide as the autograph copy
  > that the notation person has to use.
  > Big Mess.. more time = more cost
  >
  > Clean copy shorter and easier work. less cost..
  >
  > That is reality.
  >
  > Stephen Currington
  > Wellington, New Zealand
  >
  > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz
  >
  > On 24/09/2008, at 2:07 PM, John Kilgour wrote:
  >
  >> I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did,
  >> and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from
  >> it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
  >> On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  >>
  >>> If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch
  >>> to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  >>>
  >>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>> From: Steve Currington
  >>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  >>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  >>> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  >>>
  >>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>>> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does
  >>>> it,
  >>>>> but it
  >>>>>>> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
  >>>> able to
  >>>>> open them in
  >>>>>>> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It
  >>>> more
  >>>>> or less
  >>>>>>> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
  >>> higher end
  >>>>> products, but
  >>>>>>> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
  >>>>> quarter note
  >>>>>>> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
  >>>> paste
  >>>>> chords and
  >>>>>>> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
  >>>> print
  >>>>> versoin of
  >>>>>>> a song?
  >>>>>
  >>>>>> there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
  >>>>>> professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  >>>>>> i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
  >>> sibelius
  >>>>>> user brag about it being the best program and finale users
  >>> bragging
  >>>>>> about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
  >>>>>> with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on
  >>>> the
  >>>>>> user's background.
  >>>>>> i do recommend finale.
  >>>>>> pinineco
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>> Hi...
  >>>>
  >>>> I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in
  >>> New
  >>>> Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
  >>>> Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional 
  >>>> environment.
  >>>> Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
  >>>> compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
  >>>> I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but 
  >>>> that
  >>>> is fine.
  >>>>
  >>>> I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
  >>>> Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
  >>>> (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
  >>> applicable
  >>>> to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
  >>>> found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
  >>>> easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
  >>>> move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
  >>>> of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
  >>>> processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly
  >>> is a
  >>>> criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
  >>>>
  >>>> I
  >>>>
  >>>> Stephen Currington
  >>>> Wellington, New Zealand
  >>>>
  >>>> email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  >>>> currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>
  >>> And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
  >>> Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
  >>> how to questions and issues.
  >>> Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
  >>> knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
  >>> support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
  >>> development team..
  >>> This is a real bonus..
  >>>
  >>> Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
  >>> group.
  >>>
  >>> Stephen Currington
  >>> Wellington, New Zealand
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Steve Currington 
>   To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:24 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music 
> 
> 
>   I have had people send me a rough draft in hand-written music what 
>   they want and asked me to notate it for them.
>   They did not have a notation package and have maybe recorded it as a 
>   track and then scribbled it down by hand and want it produced in a 
>   professional looking hard copy.
>   Some are provided nice and clean and clear and for others the hand- 
>   written stuff is scruffy and incomplete. 
> 
>   We are talking about the same sort of thing just with different 
>   provided base materials to work from. 
> 
>   So my comment stands.. depends on what is provided as to the work 
>   involved and the associated costs. 
> 
>   Stephen Currington
>   Wellington, New Zealand 
> 
>   email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
>   currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz 
> 
>   On 24/09/2008, at 5:17 PM, Tim McLane wrote: 
> 
>   > I don't understand this response and wonder if we are on the same 
>   > page. The way I work is the person sends me an MP3 and by ear I 
>   > write it out. Then I input it directly into Finale. What do you 
>   > mean by your message below?
>   >
>   > t
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Steve Currington
>   > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:24 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>   >
>   >
>   > My guess is it would depend on what you provide as the autograph copy
>   > that the notation person has to use.
>   > Big Mess.. more time = more cost
>   >
>   > Clean copy shorter and easier work. less cost..
>   >
>   > That is reality.
>   >
>   > Stephen Currington
>   > Wellington, New Zealand
>   >
>   > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
>   > currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz
>   >
>   > On 24/09/2008, at 2:07 PM, John Kilgour wrote:
>   >
>   >> I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did,
>   >> and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from
>   >> it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
>   >> On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>   >>
>   >>> If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch
>   >>> to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
>   >>>
>   >>> ----- Original Message -----
>   >>> From: Steve Currington
>   >>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
>   >>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
>   >>> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>   >>>
>   >>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
>   >>>>
>   >>>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
>   >>>>
>   >>>>> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
>   >>>>>>>
>   >>>>>>> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does
>   >>>> it,
>   >>>>> but it
>   >>>>>>> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
>   >>>> able to
>   >>>>> open them in
>   >>>>>>> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It
>   >>>> more
>   >>>>> or less
>   >>>>>>> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
>   >>> higher end
>   >>>>> products, but
>   >>>>>>> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
>   >>>>> quarter note
>   >>>>>>> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
>   >>>> paste
>   >>>>> chords and
>   >>>>>>> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
>   >>>> print
>   >>>>> versoin of
>   >>>>>>> a song?
>   >>>>>
>   >>>>>> there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
>   >>>>>> professionals use are finale and sibelius.
>   >>>>>> i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
>   >>> sibelius
>   >>>>>> user brag about it being the best program and finale users
>   >>> bragging
>   >>>>>> about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
>   >>>>>> with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on
>   >>>> the
>   >>>>>> user's background.
>   >>>>>> i do recommend finale.
>   >>>>>> pinineco
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>>
>   >>>>>
>   >>>> Hi...
>   >>>>
>   >>>> I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in
>   >>> New
>   >>>> Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
>   >>>> Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional 
>   >>>> environment.
>   >>>> Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
>   >>>> compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
>   >>>> I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but 
>   >>>> that
>   >>>> is fine.
>   >>>>
>   >>>> I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
>   >>>> Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
>   >>>> (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
>   >>> applicable
>   >>>> to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
>   >>>> found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
>   >>>> easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
>   >>>> move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
>   >>>> of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
>   >>>> processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly
>   >>> is a
>   >>>> criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
>   >>>>
>   >>>> I
>   >>>>
>   >>>> Stephen Currington
>   >>>> Wellington, New Zealand
>   >>>>
>   >>>> email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
>   >>>> currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
>   >>>>
>   >>>>
>   >>>
>   >>> And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
>   >>> Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
>   >>> how to questions and issues.
>   >>> Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
>   >>> knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
>   >>> support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
>   >>> development team..
>   >>> This is a real bonus..
>   >>>
>   >>> Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
>   >>> group.
>   >>>
>   >>> Stephen Currington
>   >>> Wellington, New Zealand
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> From: John Kilgour <john@...>
> Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:47 PM
> Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service.  I have a song
> that is  
> under 5 minutes.  Do you take PayPal?
> 
> On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
> 
> > You just found it!
> >
> > That's what I do professionally. It costs
> typically $50./song,  
> > assuming that the song is no longer than 5minutes.
> >
> > Let me know how I can help you.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Kilgour
> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> >
> > I would like to find a service where i could send them
> a song i did,
> > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR
> sheet music from
> > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it
> may cost?
> > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> >
> > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until
> Sept 30th, to switch
> > > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Steve Currington
> > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> > >
> > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com,
> GAmoore@... wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hey what do people use for a
> music notation program? Logic  
> > does
> > > > it,
> > > > > but it
> > > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I
> outputted things to midi, and was
> > > > able to
> > > > > open them in
> > > > > >> the demo versions of the
> Finale and convert to sheet  
> > music. It
> > > > more
> > > > > or less
> > > > > >> did everything I wanted,
> eventually when I went to the
> > > higher end
> > > > > products, but
> > > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly.
> Even some thing like setting a  
> > tempo
> > > > > quarter note
> > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of
> steps, and you could not copy and
> > > > paste
> > > > > chords and
> > > > > >> things. Is there some other
> good alternative to make a final
> > > > print
> > > > > versoin of
> > > > > >> a song?
> > > > >
> > > > > >there are a few good programs to do
> music copying. the two most
> > > > > >professionals use are finale and
> sibelius.
> > > > > >i do professional copying and use
> finale. i have heard the
> > > sibelius
> > > > > >user brag about it being the best
> program and finale users
> > > bragging
> > > > > >about finale being the best. i
> would say it is of personal  
> > taste.
> > > > > >with either of them the learning
> curve can be steep  
> > depending on
> > > > the
> > > > > >user's background.
> > > > > >i do recommend finale.
> > > > > >pinineco
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Hi...
> > > >
> > > > I am new to the group so to introduce
> myself.. I am a composer in
> > > New
> > > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC
> environment and purchased
> > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new
> compositional  
> > environment.
> > > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality
> mock ups of some  
> > of my
> > > > compositions and doing a little integrated
> live & electronic  
> > stuff.
> > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being
> a Logic virgin but  
> > that
> > > > is fine.
> > > >
> > > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my
> personal choice is
> > > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do
> that the other can't
> > > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out
> workarounds -
> > > applicable
> > > > to both applications) but I moved from
> Finale to Sibelius and have
> > > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I
> also found it way way
> > > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I
> have never regretted the
> > > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are
> really strong supporters
> > > > of both camps so I guess it is what best
> suits your work habits  
> > and
> > > > processes etc but if fast learning and
> getting productive quickly
> > > is a
> > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every
> time..
> > > >
> > > > I
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Currington
> > > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > >
> > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
> > > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well
> supported via the Sibelius
> > > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very
> quick responses to
> > > how to questions and issues.
> > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is
> extremely
> > > knowledgeable on the product and always on the
> list providing real
> > > support and/or a direct link back between the
> users and the product
> > > development team..
> > > This is a real bonus..
> > >
> > > Check the group out if you are interested... It
> is a very friendly
> > > group.
> > >
> > > Stephen Currington
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeannie Allen <earthgirlvibes@...>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:07:00 
To: <Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


Hi Tim, I'd be interested as well. In addition to the PayPal question my other questions would be:  

- what's your turn around time (I'm not a hurry but I sometimes know people who are)
- what format are the scores sent back in?
- do you have a web site/page for your service? 

I think others I know would be interested too. I spent the last week collaborating with 17 other musicians and composers, and those who provided scores were often wishing for a clearer division of the parts.

This sounds like a nice idea to try at least once!

Thanks, 
Jeannie





--- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Kilgour <john@...> wrote:

> From: John Kilgour <john@...>
> Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:47 PM
> Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service.  I have a song
> that is  
> under 5 minutes.  Do you take PayPal?
> 
> On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
> 
> > You just found it!
> >
> > That's what I do professionally. It costs
> typically $50./song,  
> > assuming that the song is no longer than 5minutes.
> >
> > Let me know how I can help you.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Kilgour
> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> >
> > I would like to find a service where i could send them
> a song i did,
> > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR
> sheet music from
> > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it
> may cost?
> > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> >
> > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until
> Sept 30th, to switch
> > > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Steve Currington
> > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> > >
> > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com,
> GAmoore@... wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hey what do people use for a
> music notation program? Logic  
> > does
> > > > it,
> > > > > but it
> > > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I
> outputted things to midi, and was
> > > > able to
> > > > > open them in
> > > > > >> the demo versions of the
> Finale and convert to sheet  
> > music. It
> > > > more
> > > > > or less
> > > > > >> did everything I wanted,
> eventually when I went to the
> > > higher end
> > > > > products, but
> > > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly.
> Even some thing like setting a  
> > tempo
> > > > > quarter note
> > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of
> steps, and you could not copy and
> > > > paste
> > > > > chords and
> > > > > >> things. Is there some other
> good alternative to make a final
> > > > print
> > > > > versoin of
> > > > > >> a song?
> > > > >
> > > > > >there are a few good programs to do
> music copying. the two most
> > > > > >professionals use are finale and
> sibelius.
> > > > > >i do professional copying and use
> finale. i have heard the
> > > sibelius
> > > > > >user brag about it being the best
> program and finale users
> > > bragging
> > > > > >about finale being the best. i
> would say it is of personal  
> > taste.
> > > > > >with either of them the learning
> curve can be steep  
> > depending on
> > > > the
> > > > > >user's background.
> > > > > >i do recommend finale.
> > > > > >pinineco
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Hi...
> > > >
> > > > I am new to the group so to introduce
> myself.. I am a composer in
> > > New
> > > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC
> environment and purchased
> > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new
> compositional  
> > environment.
> > > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality
> mock ups of some  
> > of my
> > > > compositions and doing a little integrated
> live & electronic  
> > stuff.
> > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being
> a Logic virgin but  
> > that
> > > > is fine.
> > > >
> > > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my
> personal choice is
> > > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do
> that the other can't
> > > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out
> workarounds -
> > > applicable
> > > > to both applications) but I moved from
> Finale to Sibelius and have
> > > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I
> also found it way way
> > > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I
> have never regretted the
> > > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are
> really strong supporters
> > > > of both camps so I guess it is what best
> suits your work habits  
> > and
> > > > processes etc but if fast learning and
> getting productive quickly
> > > is a
> > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every
> time..
> > > >
> > > > I
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Currington
> > > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > >
> > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
> > > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well
> supported via the Sibelius
> > > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very
> quick responses to
> > > how to questions and issues.
> > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is
> extremely
> > > knowledgeable on the product and always on the
> list providing real
> > > support and/or a direct link back between the
> users and the product
> > > development team..
> > > This is a real bonus..
> > >
> > > Check the group out if you are interested... It
> is a very friendly
> > > group.
> > >
> > > Stephen Currington
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > >
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Brook 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:42 AM
  Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  Tim McLane writes: 

  > For whatever it's worth: I don't do that because it is not a way to get the idea across. If the person doesn't notate, then they need to sing or play the idea into a recording. 

  So if we are to take you up on your offer, would you need a simple 
  recording, say piano and vocal only, or could you work from a full demo that 
  would have drums, bass etc on? 

  Andy B 

  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Steve Currington 
  > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:24 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music 
  > 
  > 
  > I have had people send me a rough draft in hand-written music what 
  > they want and asked me to notate it for them.
  > They did not have a notation package and have maybe recorded it as a 
  > track and then scribbled it down by hand and want it produced in a 
  > professional looking hard copy.
  > Some are provided nice and clean and clear and for others the hand- 
  > written stuff is scruffy and incomplete. 
  > 
  > We are talking about the same sort of thing just with different 
  > provided base materials to work from. 
  > 
  > So my comment stands.. depends on what is provided as to the work 
  > involved and the associated costs. 
  > 
  > Stephen Currington
  > Wellington, New Zealand 
  > 
  > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz 
  > 
  > On 24/09/2008, at 5:17 PM, Tim McLane wrote: 
  > 
  > > I don't understand this response and wonder if we are on the same 
  > > page. The way I work is the person sends me an MP3 and by ear I 
  > > write it out. Then I input it directly into Finale. What do you 
  > > mean by your message below?
  > >
  > > t
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: Steve Currington
  > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:24 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > >
  > >
  > > My guess is it would depend on what you provide as the autograph copy
  > > that the notation person has to use.
  > > Big Mess.. more time = more cost
  > >
  > > Clean copy shorter and easier work. less cost..
  > >
  > > That is reality.
  > >
  > > Stephen Currington
  > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > >
  > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > > currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz
  > >
  > > On 24/09/2008, at 2:07 PM, John Kilgour wrote:
  > >
  > >> I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did,
  > >> and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from
  > >> it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
  > >> On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  > >>
  > >>> If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch
  > >>> to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  > >>>
  > >>> ----- Original Message -----
  > >>> From: Steve Currington
  > >>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  > >>> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > >>>
  > >>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
  > >>>>
  > >>>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
  > >>>>
  > >>>>> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  > >>>>>>>
  > >>>>>>> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic does
  > >>>> it,
  > >>>>> but it
  > >>>>>>> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
  > >>>> able to
  > >>>>> open them in
  > >>>>>>> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet music. It
  > >>>> more
  > >>>>> or less
  > >>>>>>> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
  > >>> higher end
  > >>>>> products, but
  > >>>>>>> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a tempo
  > >>>>> quarter note
  > >>>>>>> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
  > >>>> paste
  > >>>>> chords and
  > >>>>>>> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
  > >>>> print
  > >>>>> versoin of
  > >>>>>>> a song?
  > >>>>>
  > >>>>>> there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
  > >>>>>> professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  > >>>>>> i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
  > >>> sibelius
  > >>>>>> user brag about it being the best program and finale users
  > >>> bragging
  > >>>>>> about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal taste.
  > >>>>>> with either of them the learning curve can be steep depending on
  > >>>> the
  > >>>>>> user's background.
  > >>>>>> i do recommend finale.
  > >>>>>> pinineco
  > >>>>>>
  > >>>>>>
  > >>>>>
  > >>>> Hi...
  > >>>>
  > >>>> I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in
  > >>> New
  > >>>> Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
  > >>>> Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional 
  > >>>> environment.
  > >>>> Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some of my
  > >>>> compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic stuff.
  > >>>> I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but 
  > >>>> that
  > >>>> is fine.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
  > >>>> Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
  > >>>> (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
  > >>> applicable
  > >>>> to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
  > >>>> found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
  > >>>> easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
  > >>>> move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
  > >>>> of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits and
  > >>>> processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly
  > >>> is a
  > >>>> criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
  > >>>>
  > >>>> I
  > >>>>
  > >>>> Stephen Currington
  > >>>> Wellington, New Zealand
  > >>>>
  > >>>> email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > >>>> currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  > >>>>
  > >>>>
  > >>>
  > >>> And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
  > >>> Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
  > >>> how to questions and issues.
  > >>> Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
  > >>> knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
  > >>> support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
  > >>> development team..
  > >>> This is a real bonus..
  > >>>
  > >>> Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
  > >>> group.
  > >>>
  > >>> Stephen Currington
  > >>> Wellington, New Zealand
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Kilgour 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  I wrote a simple piece of music, but cannot
  Write notation - for example, I can play a
  DMaj7, but don't really know how p write
  It down on a piece of paper -

  On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:42 AM, "Andy Brook" <bbgrove@...> wrote:

  > Tim McLane writes:
  >
  > > For whatever it's worth: I don't do that because it is not a way 
  > to get the idea across. If the person doesn't notate, then they need 
  > to sing or play the idea into a recording.
  >
  > So if we are to take you up on your offer, would you need a simple
  > recording, say piano and vocal only, or could you work from a full 
  > demo that
  > would have drums, bass etc on?
  >
  > Andy B
  >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: Steve Currington
  > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:24 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > >
  > >
  > > I have had people send me a rough draft in hand-written music what
  > > they want and asked me to notate it for them.
  > > They did not have a notation package and have maybe recorded it as a
  > > track and then scribbled it down by hand and want it produced in a
  > > professional looking hard copy.
  > > Some are provided nice and clean and clear and for others the hand-
  > > written stuff is scruffy and incomplete.
  > >
  > > We are talking about the same sort of thing just with different
  > > provided base materials to work from.
  > >
  > > So my comment stands.. depends on what is provided as to the work
  > > involved and the associated costs.
  > >
  > > Stephen Currington
  > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > >
  > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > > currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz
  > >
  > > On 24/09/2008, at 5:17 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  > >
  > > > I don't understand this response and wonder if we are on the same
  > > > page. The way I work is the person sends me an MP3 and by ear I
  > > > write it out. Then I input it directly into Finale. What do you
  > > > mean by your message below?
  > > >
  > > > t
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: Steve Currington
  > > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:24 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > My guess is it would depend on what you provide as the autograph 
  > copy
  > > > that the notation person has to use.
  > > > Big Mess.. more time = more cost
  > > >
  > > > Clean copy shorter and easier work. less cost..
  > > >
  > > > That is reality.
  > > >
  > > > Stephen Currington
  > > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > > >
  > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > > > currinstep @ myvuw.ac.nz
  > > >
  > > > On 24/09/2008, at 2:07 PM, John Kilgour wrote:
  > > >
  > > >> I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i 
  > did,
  > > >> and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music 
  > from
  > > >> it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
  > > >> On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  > > >>
  > > >>> If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to 
  > switch
  > > >>> to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  > > >>>
  > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
  > > >>> From: Steve Currington
  > > >>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  > > >>> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > > >>>
  > > >>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
  > > >>>>
  > > >>>> On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
  > > >>>>
  > > >>>>> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  > > >>>>>>>
  > > >>>>>>> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic 
  > does
  > > >>>> it,
  > > >>>>> but it
  > > >>>>>>> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
  > > >>>> able to
  > > >>>>> open them in
  > > >>>>>>> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet 
  > music. It
  > > >>>> more
  > > >>>>> or less
  > > >>>>>>> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
  > > >>> higher end
  > > >>>>> products, but
  > > >>>>>>> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a 
  > tempo
  > > >>>>> quarter note
  > > >>>>>>> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy 
  > and
  > > >>>> paste
  > > >>>>> chords and
  > > >>>>>>> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
  > > >>>> print
  > > >>>>> versoin of
  > > >>>>>>> a song?
  > > >>>>>
  > > >>>>>> there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two 
  > most
  > > >>>>>> professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  > > >>>>>> i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
  > > >>> sibelius
  > > >>>>>> user brag about it being the best program and finale users
  > > >>> bragging
  > > >>>>>> about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal 
  > taste.
  > > >>>>>> with either of them the learning curve can be steep 
  > depending on
  > > >>>> the
  > > >>>>>> user's background.
  > > >>>>>> i do recommend finale.
  > > >>>>>> pinineco
  > > >>>>>>
  > > >>>>>>
  > > >>>>>
  > > >>>> Hi...
  > > >>>>
  > > >>>> I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a 
  > composer in
  > > >>> New
  > > >>>> Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and 
  > purchased
  > > >>>> Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional
  > > >>>> environment.
  > > >>>> Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some 
  > of my
  > > >>>> compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic 
  > stuff.
  > > >>>> I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but
  > > >>>> that
  > > >>>> is fine.
  > > >>>>
  > > >>>> I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
  > > >>>> Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other 
  > can't
  > > >>>> (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
  > > >>> applicable
  > > >>>> to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and 
  > have
  > > >>>> found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way 
  > way
  > > >>>> easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted 
  > the
  > > >>>> move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong 
  > supporters
  > > >>>> of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work 
  > habits and
  > > >>>> processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive 
  > quickly
  > > >>> is a
  > > >>>> criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
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  > > >>> Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick 
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  > real
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  > product
  > > >>> development team..
  > > >>> This is a real bonus..
  > > >>>
  > > >>> Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very 
  > friendly
  > > >>> group.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: GAmoore@... 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  How do you go about transcribing?

  i would suggest that you ask that they play to a click track, drum loop, or 
  metronome, and tune to standard pitch. 

  It seems that once you have gone to the trouble of transcribing the song, you 
  could also give them a midi file of their song which they could import into 
  logic, to make a fuller arrangement.

  greg

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Kilgour 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:47 PM
  Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service. I have a song that is 
  under 5 minutes. Do you take PayPal?

  On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:

  > You just found it!
  >
  > That's what I do professionally. It costs typically $50./song, 
  > assuming that the song is no longer than 5minutes.
  >
  > Let me know how I can help you.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > Tim
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: John Kilgour
  > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  >
  > I would like to find a service where i could send them a song i did,
  > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR sheet music from
  > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it may cost?
  > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  >
  > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until Sept 30th, to switch
  > > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: Steve Currington
  > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > >
  > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington wrote:
  > > >
  > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001 wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
  > > > > >>
  > > > > >> Hey what do people use for a music notation program? Logic 
  > does
  > > > it,
  > > > > but it
  > > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I outputted things to midi, and was
  > > > able to
  > > > > open them in
  > > > > >> the demo versions of the Finale and convert to sheet 
  > music. It
  > > > more
  > > > > or less
  > > > > >> did everything I wanted, eventually when I went to the
  > > higher end
  > > > > products, but
  > > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly. Even some thing like setting a 
  > tempo
  > > > > quarter note
  > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of steps, and you could not copy and
  > > > paste
  > > > > chords and
  > > > > >> things. Is there some other good alternative to make a final
  > > > print
  > > > > versoin of
  > > > > >> a song?
  > > > >
  > > > > >there are a few good programs to do music copying. the two most
  > > > > >professionals use are finale and sibelius.
  > > > > >i do professional copying and use finale. i have heard the
  > > sibelius
  > > > > >user brag about it being the best program and finale users
  > > bragging
  > > > > >about finale being the best. i would say it is of personal 
  > taste.
  > > > > >with either of them the learning curve can be steep 
  > depending on
  > > > the
  > > > > >user's background.
  > > > > >i do recommend finale.
  > > > > >pinineco
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > Hi...
  > > >
  > > > I am new to the group so to introduce myself.. I am a composer in
  > > New
  > > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC environment and purchased
  > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new compositional 
  > environment.
  > > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality mock ups of some 
  > of my
  > > > compositions and doing a little integrated live & electronic 
  > stuff.
  > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being a Logic virgin but 
  > that
  > > > is fine.
  > > >
  > > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my personal choice is
  > > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do that the other can't
  > > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out workarounds -
  > > applicable
  > > > to both applications) but I moved from Finale to Sibelius and have
  > > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I also found it way way
  > > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I have never regretted the
  > > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are really strong supporters
  > > > of both camps so I guess it is what best suits your work habits 
  > and
  > > > processes etc but if fast learning and getting productive quickly
  > > is a
  > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every time..
  > > >
  > > > I
  > > >
  > > > Stephen Currington
  > > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > > >
  > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  > > >
  > > >
  > >
  > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well supported via the Sibelius
  > > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very quick responses to
  > > how to questions and issues.
  > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is extremely
  > > knowledgeable on the product and always on the list providing real
  > > support and/or a direct link back between the users and the product
  > > development team..
  > > This is a real bonus..
  > >
  > > Check the group out if you are interested... It is a very friendly
  > > group.
  > >
  > > Stephen Currington
  > > Wellington, New Zealand
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeannie Allen 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:07 PM
  Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  Hi Tim, I'd be interested as well. In addition to the PayPal question my other questions would be: 

  - what's your turn around time (I'm not a hurry but I sometimes know people who are)
  - what format are the scores sent back in?
  - do you have a web site/page for your service? 

  I think others I know would be interested too. I spent the last week collaborating with 17 other musicians and composers, and those who provided scores were often wishing for a clearer division of the parts.

  This sounds like a nice idea to try at least once!

  Thanks, 
  Jeannie

  --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Kilgour <john@...> wrote:

  > From: John Kilgour <john@...>
  > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:47 PM
  > Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service. I have a song
  > that is 
  > under 5 minutes. Do you take PayPal?
  > 
  > On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
  > 
  > > You just found it!
  > >
  > > That's what I do professionally. It costs
  > typically $50./song, 
  > > assuming that the song is no longer than 5minutes.
  > >
  > > Let me know how I can help you.
  > >
  > > Regards,
  > >
  > > Tim
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: John Kilgour
  > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > >
  > > I would like to find a service where i could send them
  > a song i did,
  > > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR
  > sheet music from
  > > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it
  > may cost?
  > > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  > >
  > > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until
  > Sept 30th, to switch
  > > > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: Steve Currington
  > > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > > >
  > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington
  > wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001
  > wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com,
  > GAmoore@... wrote:
  > > > > > >>
  > > > > > >> Hey what do people use for a
  > music notation program? Logic 
  > > does
  > > > > it,
  > > > > > but it
  > > > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I
  > outputted things to midi, and was
  > > > > able to
  > > > > > open them in
  > > > > > >> the demo versions of the
  > Finale and convert to sheet 
  > > music. It
  > > > > more
  > > > > > or less
  > > > > > >> did everything I wanted,
  > eventually when I went to the
  > > > higher end
  > > > > > products, but
  > > > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly.
  > Even some thing like setting a 
  > > tempo
  > > > > > quarter note
  > > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of
  > steps, and you could not copy and
  > > > > paste
  > > > > > chords and
  > > > > > >> things. Is there some other
  > good alternative to make a final
  > > > > print
  > > > > > versoin of
  > > > > > >> a song?
  > > > > >
  > > > > > >there are a few good programs to do
  > music copying. the two most
  > > > > > >professionals use are finale and
  > sibelius.
  > > > > > >i do professional copying and use
  > finale. i have heard the
  > > > sibelius
  > > > > > >user brag about it being the best
  > program and finale users
  > > > bragging
  > > > > > >about finale being the best. i
  > would say it is of personal 
  > > taste.
  > > > > > >with either of them the learning
  > curve can be steep 
  > > depending on
  > > > > the
  > > > > > >user's background.
  > > > > > >i do recommend finale.
  > > > > > >pinineco
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > Hi...
  > > > >
  > > > > I am new to the group so to introduce
  > myself.. I am a composer in
  > > > New
  > > > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC
  > environment and purchased
  > > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new
  > compositional 
  > > environment.
  > > > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality
  > mock ups of some 
  > > of my
  > > > > compositions and doing a little integrated
  > live & electronic 
  > > stuff.
  > > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being
  > a Logic virgin but 
  > > that
  > > > > is fine.
  > > > >
  > > > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my
  > personal choice is
  > > > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do
  > that the other can't
  > > > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out
  > workarounds -
  > > > applicable
  > > > > to both applications) but I moved from
  > Finale to Sibelius and have
  > > > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I
  > also found it way way
  > > > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I
  > have never regretted the
  > > > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are
  > really strong supporters
  > > > > of both camps so I guess it is what best
  > suits your work habits 
  > > and
  > > > > processes etc but if fast learning and
  > getting productive quickly
  > > > is a
  > > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every
  > time..
  > > > >
  > > > > I
  > > > >
  > > > > Stephen Currington
  > > > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > > > >
  > > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > > > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  > > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well
  > supported via the Sibelius
  > > > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very
  > quick responses to
  > > > how to questions and issues.
  > > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is
  > extremely
  > > > knowledgeable on the product and always on the
  > list providing real
  > > > support and/or a direct link back between the
  > users and the product
  > > > development team..
  > > > This is a real bonus..
  > > >
  > > > Check the group out if you are interested... It
  > is a very friendly
  > > > group.
  > > >
  > > > Stephen Currington
  > > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > > >
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Kilgour 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:29 AM
  Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music


  Sorry for the ignorance - I have never been trained - what is a lead 
  sheet?

  On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

  > Hi Jeannie!
  >
  > Here are my thoughts:
  >
  > -Turn around would be 7 days but if you have a rush job, we can 
  > work that out. I have clients for which I do projects in 24 hrs.
  > -Usually I send clients their scores in PDF black and white but it 
  > can be in PDFs in color. In addition they can be sent to the person 
  > in Print Music (Finale) or in Logic.
  > -My website is www.timmclanemusic.com but it's for my composing 
  > services. I'll try to throw up something real fast for this service.
  >
  > Does that help?
  >
  > It sounds like some of the people want not just lead sheets but 
  > arrangements as well.
  >
  > Let me know if I can help you with anything or if you have any more 
  > questions.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > Tim
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Jeannie Allen
  > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:07 PM
  > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  >
  > Hi Tim, I'd be interested as well. In addition to the PayPal 
  > question my other questions would be:
  >
  > - what's your turn around time (I'm not a hurry but I sometimes 
  > know people who are)
  > - what format are the scores sent back in?
  > - do you have a web site/page for your service?
  >
  > I think others I know would be interested too. I spent the last 
  > week collaborating with 17 other musicians and composers, and those 
  > who provided scores were often wishing for a clearer division of 
  > the parts.
  >
  > This sounds like a nice idea to try at least once!
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Jeannie
  >
  > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Kilgour <john@...> wrote:
  >
  > > From: John Kilgour <john@...>
  > > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:47 PM
  > > Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service. I have a song
  > > that is
  > > under 5 minutes. Do you take PayPal?
  > >
  > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
  > >
  > > > You just found it!
  > > >
  > > > That's what I do professionally. It costs
  > > typically $50./song,
  > > > assuming that the song is no longer than 5minutes.
  > > >
  > > > Let me know how I can help you.
  > > >
  > > > Regards,
  > > >
  > > > Tim
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: John Kilgour
  > > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
  > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > > >
  > > > I would like to find a service where i could send them
  > > a song i did,
  > > > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR
  > > sheet music from
  > > > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it
  > > may cost?
  > > > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until
  > > Sept 30th, to switch
  > > > > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: Steve Currington
  > > > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
  > > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
  > > > >
  > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington
  > > wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001
  > > wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com,
  > > GAmoore@... wrote:
  > > > > > > >>
  > > > > > > >> Hey what do people use for a
  > > music notation program? Logic
  > > > does
  > > > > > it,
  > > > > > > but it
  > > > > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I
  > > outputted things to midi, and was
  > > > > > able to
  > > > > > > open them in
  > > > > > > >> the demo versions of the
  > > Finale and convert to sheet
  > > > music. It
  > > > > > more
  > > > > > > or less
  > > > > > > >> did everything I wanted,
  > > eventually when I went to the
  > > > > higher end
  > > > > > > products, but
  > > > > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly.
  > > Even some thing like setting a
  > > > tempo
  > > > > > > quarter note
  > > > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of
  > > steps, and you could not copy and
  > > > > > paste
  > > > > > > chords and
  > > > > > > >> things. Is there some other
  > > good alternative to make a final
  > > > > > print
  > > > > > > versoin of
  > > > > > > >> a song?
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > > >there are a few good programs to do
  > > music copying. the two most
  > > > > > > >professionals use are finale and
  > > sibelius.
  > > > > > > >i do professional copying and use
  > > finale. i have heard the
  > > > > sibelius
  > > > > > > >user brag about it being the best
  > > program and finale users
  > > > > bragging
  > > > > > > >about finale being the best. i
  > > would say it is of personal
  > > > taste.
  > > > > > > >with either of them the learning
  > > curve can be steep
  > > > depending on
  > > > > > the
  > > > > > > >user's background.
  > > > > > > >i do recommend finale.
  > > > > > > >pinineco
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > > >
  > > > > > >
  > > > > > Hi...
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I am new to the group so to introduce
  > > myself.. I am a composer in
  > > > > New
  > > > > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC
  > > environment and purchased
  > > > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new
  > > compositional
  > > > environment.
  > > > > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality
  > > mock ups of some
  > > > of my
  > > > > > compositions and doing a little integrated
  > > live & electronic
  > > > stuff.
  > > > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being
  > > a Logic virgin but
  > > > that
  > > > > > is fine.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my
  > > personal choice is
  > > > > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do
  > > that the other can't
  > > > > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out
  > > workarounds -
  > > > > applicable
  > > > > > to both applications) but I moved from
  > > Finale to Sibelius and have
  > > > > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I
  > > also found it way way
  > > > > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I
  > > have never regretted the
  > > > > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are
  > > really strong supporters
  > > > > > of both camps so I guess it is what best
  > > suits your work habits
  > > > and
  > > > > > processes etc but if fast learning and
  > > getting productive quickly
  > > > > is a
  > > > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every
  > > time..
  > > > > >
  > > > > > I
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Stephen Currington
  > > > > > Wellington, New Zealand
  > > > > >
  > > > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
  > > > > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well
  > > supported via the Sibelius
  > > > > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very
  > > quick responses to
  > > > > how to questions and issues.
  > > > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is
  > > extremely
  > > > > knowledgeable on the product and always on the
  > > list providing real
  > > > > support and/or a direct link back between the
  > > users and the product
  > > > > development team..
  > > > > This is a real bonus..
  > > > >
  > > > > Check the group out if you are interested... It
  > > is a very friendly
  > > > > group.
  > > > >
  > > > > Stephen Currington
  > > > > Wellington, New Zealand
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim McLane <timmclane@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 7:06 am
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music

























    

            
If you go to my website   www.timmclanemusic.com and click on the link "charts & transcribing", it will explain all the details there.



----- Original Message ----- 

  From: John Kilgour 

  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 

  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:29 AM

  Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music



Sorry for the ignorance - I have never been trained - what is a lead 

  sheet?



On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Tim McLane wrote:



> Hi Jeannie!

  >

  > Here are my thoughts:

  >

  > -Turn around would be 7 days but if you have a rush job, we can 

  > work that out. I have clients for which I do projects in 24 hrs.

  > -Usually I send clients their scores in PDF black and white but it 

  > can be in PDFs in color. In addition they can be sent to the person 

  > in Print Music (Finale) or in Logic.

  > -My website is www.timmclanemusic.com but it's for my composing 

  > services. I'll try to throw up something real fast for this service.

  >

  > Does that help?

  >

  > It
 sounds like some of the people want not just lead sheets but 

  > arrangements as well.

  >

  > Let me know if I can help you with anything or if you have any more 

  > questions.

  >

  > Regards,

  >

  > Tim

  >

  > ----- Original Message -----

  > From: Jeannie Allen

  > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com

  > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:07 PM

  > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music

  >

  > Hi Tim, I'd be interested as well. In addition to the PayPal 

  > question my other questions would be:

  >

  > - what's your turn around time (I'm not a hurry but I sometimes 

  > know people who are)

  > - what format are the scores sent back in?

  > - do you have a web site/page for your service?

  >

  > I think others I know would be interested too. I spent the last 

  > week collaborating with 17 other musicians and composers, and those 

  > who provided scores were often wishing for a clearer division of 

  > the parts.

  >

  > This sounds like a nice idea to try at least once!

  >

  > Thanks,

  > Jeannie

  >

  > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Kilgour <john@...> wrote:

  >

  > > From: John Kilgour <john@...>

  > > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music

  > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com

  > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:4720PM

  > > Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service. I have a song

  > > that is

  > > under 5 minutes. Do you take PayPal?

  > >

  > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:

  > >

  > > > You just found it!

  > > >

  > > > That's what I do professionally. It costs

  > > typically $50./song,

  > > > assuming that the song is no longer than 5minutes.

  > > >

  > > > Let me know how I can help you.

  > > >

  > > > Regards,

  > > >

  > > > Tim

  > > >

  > > > ----- Original Message -----

  > > > From: John Kilgour

  > > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com

  > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM

  > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music

  > > >

  > > > I would like to find a service where i could send them

  > > a song i did,

  > > > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR

  > > sheet music from

  > > > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it

  > > may cost?

  > > > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

  > > >

  > > > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until

  > > Sept 30th, to switch

  > > > > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.

  > > > >

  > > > > ----- Original Message -----

  > > > > From: Steve Currington

  > > > > To: L
ogic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com

  > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM

  > > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music

  > > > >

  > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington

  > > wrote:

  > > > > >

  > > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001

  > > wrote:

  > > > > >

  > > > > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com,

  > > GAmoore@... wrote:

  > > > > > > >>

  > > > > > > >> Hey what do people use for a

  > > music notation program? Logic

  > > > does

  > > > > > it,

  > > > > > > but it

  > > > > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I

  > > outputted things to midi, and was

  > > > > > able to

  > > > > > > open them in

  > > > > > > >> the demo versions of the

  > > Finale and convert to sheet

  > > > music. It

  > > > > > more

  > > > > > > or less

  > > > > > > >> did everything I wanted,

  > > eventually when I went to the

  > > > > higher end

  > > > > > > products, but

  > > > > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly.

  > > Even some thing like setting a

  > > > tempo

  > > > > > > quarter note

  > > > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of

  > > steps, and you could not copy and

  > > > > > paste

  > > > > > > chords and

  > > > > >20> >> things. Is there some other

  > > good alternative to make a final

  > > > > > print

  > > > > > > versoin of

  > > > > > > >> a song?

  > > > > > >

  > > > > > > >there are a few good programs to do

  > > music copying. the two most

  > > > > > > >professionals use are finale and

  > > sibelius.

  > > > > > > >i do professional copying and use

  > > finale. i have heard the

  > > > > sibelius

  > > > > > > >user brag about it being the best

  > > program and finale users

  > > > > bragging

  > > > > > > >about finale being the best. i

  > > would say it is of personal

  > > > taste.

  > > > > > > >with either of them the learning

  > > curve can be steep

  > > > depending on

  > > > > > the

  > > > > > > >user's background.

  > > > > > > >i do recommend finale.

  > > > > > > >pinineco

  > > > > > > >

  > > > > > > >

  > > > > > >

  > > > > > Hi...

  > > > > >

  > > > > > I am new to the group so to introduce

  > > myself.. I am a composer in

  > > > > New

  > > > > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC

  > > environment and purchased

  > > > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new

  > > compositional

  > > > environment.

  > > > 
> > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality

  > > mock ups of some

  > > > of my

  > > > > > compositions and doing a little integrated

  > > live & electronic

  > > > stuff.

  > > > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being

  > > a Logic virgin but

  > > > that

  > > > > > is fine.

  > > > > >

  > > > > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my

  > > personal choice is

  > > > > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do

  > > that the other can't

  > > > > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out

  > > workarounds -

  > > > > applicable

  > > > > > to both applications) but I moved from

  > > Finale to Sibelius and have

  > > > > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I

  > > also found it way way

  > > > > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I

  > > have never regretted the

  > > > > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are

  > > really strong supporters

  > > > > > of both camps so I guess it is what best

  > > suits your work habits

  > > > and

  > > > > > processes etc but if fast learning and

  > > getting productive quickly

  > > > > is a

  > > > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every

  > > time..

  > > > > >

  > > > > > I

  > > > > >
0A  > > > > > Stephen Currington

  > > > > > Wellington, New Zealand

  > > > > >

  > > > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz

  > > > > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>

  > > > > >

  > > > > >

  > > > >

  > > > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well

  > > supported via the Sibelius

  > > > > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very

  > > quick responses to

  > > > > how to questions and issues.

  > > > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is

  > > extremely

  > > > > knowledgeable on the product and always on the

  > > list providing real

  > > > > support and/or a direct link back between the

  > > users and the product

  > > > > development team..

  > > > > This is a real bonus..

  > > > >

  > > > > Check the group out if you are interested... It

  > > is a very friendly

  > > > > group.

  > > > >

  > > > > Stephen Currington

  > > > > Wellington, New Zealand

  > > > >

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> From: GAmoore@... <GAmoore@...>
> Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 10:11 AM
> Its an interesting discussion but can you guys please take
> it private? Thanks.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim McLane <timmclane@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 7:06 am
> Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet
> music
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
> 
>             
> If you go to my website   www.timmclanemusic.com and click
> on the link "charts & transcribing", it will
> explain all the details there.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>   From: John Kilgour 
> 
>   To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:29 AM
> 
>   Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet
> music
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry for the ignorance - I have never been trained - what
> is a lead 
> 
>   sheet?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi Jeannie!
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Here are my thoughts:
> 
>   >
> 
>   > -Turn around would be 7 days but if you have a rush
> job, we can 
> 
>   > work that out. I have clients for which I do
> projects in 24 hrs.
> 
>   > -Usually I send clients their scores in PDF black
> and white but it 
> 
>   > can be in PDFs in color. In addition they can be
> sent to the person 
> 
>   > in Print Music (Finale) or in Logic.
> 
>   > -My website is www.timmclanemusic.com but it's
> for my composing 
> 
>   > services. I'll try to throw up something real
> fast for this service.
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Does that help?
> 
>   >
> 
>   > It
>  sounds like some of the people want not just lead sheets
> but 
> 
>   > arrangements as well.
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Let me know if I can help you with anything or if
> you have any more 
> 
>   > questions.
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Regards,
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Tim
> 
>   >
> 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
> 
>   > From: Jeannie Allen
> 
>   > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> 
>   > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:07 PM
> 
>   > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Hi Tim, I'd be interested as well. In addition
> to the PayPal 
> 
>   > question my other questions would be:
> 
>   >
> 
>   > - what's your turn around time (I'm not a
> hurry but I sometimes 
> 
>   > know people who are)
> 
>   > - what format are the scores sent back in?
> 
>   > - do you have a web site/page for your service?
> 
>   >
> 
>   > I think others I know would be interested too. I
> spent the last 
> 
>   > week collaborating with 17 other musicians and
> composers, and those 
> 
>   > who provided scores were often wishing for a clearer
> division of 
> 
>   > the parts.
> 
>   >
> 
>   > This sounds like a nice idea to try at least once!
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Thanks,
> 
>   > Jeannie
> 
>   >
> 
>   > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Kilgour
> <john@...> wrote:
> 
>   >
> 
>   > > From: John Kilgour <john@...>
> 
>   > > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet
> music
> 
>   > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> 
>   > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:4720PM
> 
>   > > Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service. I
> have a song
> 
>   > > that is
> 
>   > > under 5 minutes. Do you take PayPal?
> 
>   > >
> 
>   > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
> 
>   > >
> 
>   > > > You just found it!
> 
>   > > >
> 
>   > > > That's what I do professionally. It
> costs
> 
>   > > typically $50./song,
> 
>   > > > assuming that the song is no longer than
> 5minutes.
> 
>   > > >
> 
>   > > > Let me know how I can help you.
> 
>   > > >
> 
>   > > > Regards,
> 
>   > > >
> 
>   > > > Tim
> 
>   > > >
> 
>   > > > ----- Original Message -----
> 
>   > > > From: John Kilgour
> 
>   > > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> 
>   > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
> 
>   > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
> 
>   > > >
> 
>   > > > I would like to find a service where i
> could send them
> 
>   > > a song i did,
> 
>   > > > and have them create a piece of
> PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR
> 
>   > > sheet music from
> 
>   > > > it. Does anyone know how does this, and
> how much it
> 
>   > > may cost?
> 
>   > > > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane
> wrote:
> 
>   > > >
> 
>   > > > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a
> deal until
> 
>   > > Sept 30th, to switch
> 
>   > > > > to Finale for 99. instead of the
> usual 400.
> 
>   > > > >
> 
>   > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> 
>   > > > > From: Steve Currington
> 
>   > > > > To: L
> ogic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> 
>   > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12
> PM
> 
>   > > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet
> music
> 
>   > > > >
> 
>   > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve
> Currington
> 
>   > > wrote:
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM,
> pinineco2001
> 
>   > > wrote:
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > > --- In
> Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com,
> 
>   > > GAmoore@... wrote:
> 
>   > > > > > > >>
> 
>   > > > > > > >> Hey what do people
> use for a
> 
>   > > music notation program? Logic
> 
>   > > > does
> 
>   > > > > > it,
> 
>   > > > > > > but it
> 
>   > > > > > > >> seems a bit
> inflexible. I
> 
>   > > outputted things to midi, and was
> 
>   > > > > > able to
> 
>   > > > > > > open them in
> 
>   > > > > > > >> the demo versions
> of the
> 
>   > > Finale and convert to sheet
> 
>   > > > music. It
> 
>   > > > > > more
> 
>   > > > > > > or less
> 
>   > > > > > > >> did everything I
> wanted,
> 
>   > > eventually when I went to the
> 
>   > > > > higher end
> 
>   > > > > > > products, but
> 
>   > > > > > > >> it just seemed
> unfriendly.
> 
>   > > Even some thing like setting a
> 
>   > > > tempo
> 
>   > > > > > > quarter note
> 
>   > > > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a
> number of
> 
>   > > steps, and you could not copy and
> 
>   > > > > > paste
> 
>   > > > > > > chords and
> 
>   > > > > >20> >> things. Is there
> some other
> 
>   > > good alternative to make a final
> 
>   > > > > > print
> 
>   > > > > > > versoin of
> 
>   > > > > > > >> a song?
> 
>   > > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > > >there are a few good
> programs to do
> 
>   > > music copying. the two most
> 
>   > > > > > > >professionals use are
> finale and
> 
>   > > sibelius.
> 
>   > > > > > > >i do professional
> copying and use
> 
>   > > finale. i have heard the
> 
>   > > > > sibelius
> 
>   > > > > > > >user brag about it
> being the best
> 
>   > > program and finale users
> 
>   > > > > bragging
> 
>   > > > > > > >about finale being the
> best. i
> 
>   > > would say it is of personal
> 
>   > > > taste.
> 
>   > > > > > > >with either of them the
> learning
> 
>   > > curve can be steep
> 
>   > > > depending on
> 
>   > > > > > the
> 
>   > > > > > > >user's background.
> 
>   > > > > > > >i do recommend finale.
> 
>   > > > > > > >pinineco
> 
>   > > > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > Hi...
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > I am new to the group so to
> introduce
> 
>   > > myself.. I am a composer in
> 
>   > > > > New
> 
>   > > > > > Zealand and have recently moved
> to a MAC
> 
>   > > environment and purchased
> 
>   > > > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start
> learning a new
> 
>   > > compositional
> 
>   > > > environment.
> 
>   > > > 
> > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality
> 
>   > > mock ups of some
> 
>   > > > of my
> 
>   > > > > > compositions and doing a little
> integrated
> 
>   > > live & electronic
> 
>   > > > stuff.
> 
>   > > > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb
> questions being
> 
>   > > a Logic virgin but
> 
>   > > > that
> 
>   > > > > > is fine.
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > I have used both Finale and
> Sibelius and my
> 
>   > > personal choice is
> 
>   > > > > > Sibelius.. There is not much
> that one can do
> 
>   > > that the other can't
> 
>   > > > > > (even if you occasionally have
> to figure out
> 
>   > > workarounds -
> 
>   > > > > applicable
> 
>   > > > > > to both applications) but I
> moved from
> 
>   > > Finale to Sibelius and have
> 
>   > > > > > found Sibelius suits my work
> habits best. I
> 
>   > > also found it way way
> 
>   > > > > > easier to learn and pick up as a
> tool. I
> 
>   > > have never regretted the
> 
>   > > > > > move for a minute. As mentioned
> there are
> 
>   > > really strong supporters
> 
>   > > > > > of both camps so I guess it is
> what best
> 
>   > > suits your work habits
> 
>   > > > and
> 
>   > > > > > processes etc but if fast
> learning and
> 
>   > > getting productive quickly
> 
>   > > > > is a
> 
>   > > > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius
> every
> 
>   > > time..
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > I
> 
>   > > > > >
> 0A  > > > > > Stephen Currington
> 
>   > > > > > Wellington, New Zealand
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
> 
>   > > > > > currinstep @
> student.vuw.ac.nz>
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > > >
> 
>   > > > >
> 
>   > > > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is
> well
> 
>   > > supported via the Sibelius
> 
>   > > > > Yahoo Group with staff represented
> bringing very
> 
>   > > quick responses to
> 
>   > > > > how to questions and issues.
> 
>   > > > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product
> Manager) is
> 
>   > > extremely
> 
>   > > > > knowledgeable on the product and
> always on the
> 
>   > > list providing real
> 
>   > > > > support and/or a direct link back
> between the
> 
>   > > users and the product
> 
>   > > > > development team..
> 
>   > > > > This is a real bonus..
> 
>   > > > >
> 
>   > > > > Check the group out if you are
> interested... It
> 
>   > > is a very friendly
> 
>   > > > > group.
> 
>   > > > >
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> 
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> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote: 
> 
>>   Hi Jeannie! 
>>
>> Here are my thoughts: 
>>
>> -Turn around would be 7 days but if you have a rush job, we can work that
>> out. I have clients for which I do projects in 24 hrs.
>> -Usually I send clients their scores in PDF black and white but it can be
>> in PDFs in color. In addition they can be sent to the person in Print Music
>> (Finale) or in Logic.
>> -My website is www.timmclanemusic.com but it's for my composing services.
>> I'll try to throw up something real fast for this service. 
>>
>> Does that help? 
>>
>> It sounds like some of the people want not just lead sheets but
>> arrangements as well. 
>>
>> Let me know if I can help you with anything or if you have any more
>> questions. 
>>
>> Regards, 
>>
>> Tim 
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jeannie Allen
>> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <Logic_Cafe%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music 
>>
>> Hi Tim, I'd be interested as well. In addition to the PayPal question my
>> other questions would be: 
>>
>> - what's your turn around time (I'm not a hurry but I sometimes know people
>> who are)
>> - what format are the scores sent back in?
>> - do you have a web site/page for your service? 
>>
>> I think others I know would be interested too. I spent the last week
>> collaborating with 17 other musicians and composers, and those who provided
>> scores were often wishing for a clearer division of the parts. 
>>
>> This sounds like a nice idea to try at least once! 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeannie 
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/24/08, John Kilgour <john@... <john%40kilgour.com>>
>> wrote: 
>>
>> > From: John Kilgour <john@... <john%40kilgour.com>>
>> > Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <Logic_Cafe%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 5:47 PM
>> > Tim, I would gladly pay $50 for this service. I have a song
>> > that is
>> > under 5 minutes. Do you take PayPal?
>> >
>> > On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Tim McLane wrote:
>> >
>> > > You just found it!
>> > >
>> > > That's what I do professionally. It costs
>> > typically $50./song,
>> > > assuming that the song is no longer than 5minutes.
>> > >
>> > > Let me know how I can help you.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Tim
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: John Kilgour
>> > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <Logic_Cafe%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:07 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>> > >
>> > > I would like to find a service where i could send them
>> > a song i did,
>> > > and have them create a piece of PIANO/VOCAL/GUITAR
>> > sheet music from
>> > > it. Does anyone know how does this, and how much it
>> > may cost?
>> > > On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:49 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > If you have Finale, Sibelius has a deal until
>> > Sept 30th, to switch
>> > > > to Finale for 99. instead of the usual 400.
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: Steve Currington
>> > > > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <Logic_Cafe%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:12 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: sheet music
>> > > >
>> > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:42 PM, Steve Currington
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 22/09/2008, at 1:25 PM, pinineco2001
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <Logic_Cafe%40yahoogroups.com>
>> ,
>> > GAmoore@... wrote:
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Hey what do people use for a
>> > music notation program? Logic
>> > > does
>> > > > > it,
>> > > > > > but it
>> > > > > > >> seems a bit inflexible. I
>> > outputted things to midi, and was
>> > > > > able to
>> > > > > > open them in
>> > > > > > >> the demo versions of the
>> > Finale and convert to sheet
>> > > music. It
>> > > > > more
>> > > > > > or less
>> > > > > > >> did everything I wanted,
>> > eventually when I went to the
>> > > > higher end
>> > > > > > products, but
>> > > > > > >> it just seemed unfriendly.
>> > Even some thing like setting a
>> > > tempo
>> > > > > > quarter note
>> > > > > > >> = 120 bpm, took a number of
>> > steps, and you could not copy and
>> > > > > paste
>> > > > > > chords and
>> > > > > > >> things. Is there some other
>> > good alternative to make a final
>> > > > > print
>> > > > > > versoin of
>> > > > > > >> a song?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >there are a few good programs to do
>> > music copying. the two most
>> > > > > > >professionals use are finale and
>> > sibelius.
>> > > > > > >i do professional copying and use
>> > finale. i have heard the
>> > > > sibelius
>> > > > > > >user brag about it being the best
>> > program and finale users
>> > > > bragging
>> > > > > > >about finale being the best. i
>> > would say it is of personal
>> > > taste.
>> > > > > > >with either of them the learning
>> > curve can be steep
>> > > depending on
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > >user's background.
>> > > > > > >i do recommend finale.
>> > > > > > >pinineco
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > Hi...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I am new to the group so to introduce
>> > myself.. I am a composer in
>> > > > New
>> > > > > Zealand and have recently moved to a MAC
>> > environment and purchased
>> > > > > Logic Studio (v8) to start learning a new
>> > compositional
>> > > environment.
>> > > > > Primarily, but not solely, for doing quality
>> > mock ups of some
>> > > of my
>> > > > > compositions and doing a little integrated
>> > live & electronic
>> > > stuff.
>> > > > > I am bound to ask a few dumb questions being
>> > a Logic virgin but
>> > > that
>> > > > > is fine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I have used both Finale and Sibelius and my
>> > personal choice is
>> > > > > Sibelius.. There is not much that one can do
>> > that the other can't
>> > > > > (even if you occasionally have to figure out
>> > workarounds -
>> > > > applicable
>> > > > > to both applications) but I moved from
>> > Finale to Sibelius and have
>> > > > > found Sibelius suits my work habits best. I
>> > also found it way way
>> > > > > easier to learn and pick up as a tool. I
>> > have never regretted the
>> > > > > move for a minute. As mentioned there are
>> > really strong supporters
>> > > > > of both camps so I guess it is what best
>> > suits your work habits
>> > > and
>> > > > > processes etc but if fast learning and
>> > getting productive quickly
>> > > > is a
>> > > > > criteria my vote is for Sibelius every
>> > time..
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Stephen Currington
>> > > > > Wellington, New Zealand
>> > > > >
>> > > > > email: scurri @ singers.org.nz
>> > > > > currinstep @ student.vuw.ac.nz>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > And I forgot to add that Sibelius is well
>> > supported via the Sibelius
>> > > > Yahoo Group with staff represented bringing very
>> > quick responses to
>> > > > how to questions and issues.
>> > > > Daniel Spreadbury (Sibelius Product Manager) is
>> > extremely
>> > > > knowledgeable on the product and always on the
>> > list providing real
>> > > > support and/or a direct link back between the
>> > users and the product
>> > > > development team..
>> > > > This is a real bonus..
>> > > >
>> > > > Check the group out if you are interested... It
>> > is a very friendly
>> > > > group.
>> > > >
>> > > > Stephen Currington
>> > > > Wellington, New Zealand
>> > > >
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On 26/09/2008, at 01:34 , joseph bartone wrote:

> hey Andy? ever hear if STUDYING MUSIC so you don't have to pay bottom
> feeders $50 to do transcriptions of your sorry ass tunes that no one  
> will
> ever hear?