Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Tyler Boley
... I never said it wasn t an issue. ... I never said a word about workflow, now did I? ... I don t think that. I never said that, nor implied it. It s
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Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Mark Tucker
... wrote: The approach is ... want ... form ... This whole Piezo/MIS thing is a tough cookie. For me, like Phil, I was just thrown for a loop when I actually
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Nij
Thanks Jerry! That is basically what I ve heard from a very small number of users :) I know the guys at the key distributor (????) Marrutt over here do a grand
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Jerry Olson
Morning Nij, I have used small gamut inks once. I got beautiful prints out of them, but since you can t use Paul s curves or the Piezo driver, you will see
RE: [Digital BW] Just starting, seek printer recommendation
2001-10-01 by Nij
Hi William, There are many files in this group that have very useful information about possible choices for the manufacturer / supplier of quadtone ink
Just starting, seek printer recommendation
2001-10-01 by William M. Gatesman
I want to set up a digital darkroom to do black and white work with quadtone inks. I am considering a Nikon 8000E scanner. I am unsure about which printer to
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Jim Hayes
... wrote: The connection between the Hayes syndrome and ... No, actually, it can be very low. In the latest case, I only did about 15
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Nij
Martin, You know I m not an ink chemist by now - I don t even know what a surfactant is (tho I understand that my washing powder has non-ionic ones - cool!
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Jose Luis Martinez
Hi all, On Saturday I saw Julian Thomas Piezo prints on Hahnemuler William Turner and Photo Rag... just one word: beautiful. I was amazed! I ve been shooting
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Julian Thomas
... But Terry, the inks DO work as advertised in a good printer. I see far too many people wasting money trying to make a duff printer work. The warranty is
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Todd Flashner
... I break it down along what can t you live with, and what can t you live without. If you can t live without glossy papers and/or high dmax go Spectratones.
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Steven Chambers
Nij, I am an ex Lyson SG user. Excellent support from supplier but experienced clogs and could not obtain a smooth greyscale transient with the supplied
Re: [Digital BW] Brain dump on: Cone vs MIS or: Inkjet vs Darkroom?
2001-10-01 by Todd Flashner
... Here s my guess on this matter, at least as it relates to intractable clogs. Pieces of sponge or other detritus clog the outlet of the cartridge, this it
Cone's sale
2001-10-01 by Julian Thomas
The inks in Cone s sale were for carts. I d guess most people use CIS as it is cheaper Julian ... Julian Thomas Bruc 168-6-1 08037 Barcelona
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Todd Flashner
... You can print to the Epson driver from 16-bit space, but it gets downsampled to 8-bits on the way to the driver. The new Piezo driver will allow the 16-bit
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by sdmey4@aol.com
Terry, Its funny, the tone people get from messages! I know I had no intention implying unprofessionals had less taste or standards in quality. I am myself
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by TerryR
Steve, See Martins post that precedes this one. That is what surprised me, more the tone of it than anything else, you also go that way in your post as well.
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley
Nij, I agree with you that the clogs that we all talk about are very likely air bubbles for the most part. (probably not the severe Hayes issue though it
Re: MIS VM Hex Paper Comparison Addendum
2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley
Tom, I thought youd like the HPR. One of the top papers out there. Martin ... a ... than ... of ... banding ... photo ... was ... paper ... (snip)
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley
... all. Tyler, I can t agree with you on that one. If you go to the Piezo list and run a search on clogging I honestly don t see how you can say that
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by TerryR
Tyler, My two cents mixed with yours again. ... ... list, ... I think this in part supports our differences with with happy users since
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by sdmey4@aol.com
Terry, Michael K.? What was it about Tylers post that set you back? It seemed like honest advice geared to the new user trying to make up his mind on which
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Phil Bard
I d agree that this list has attracted it s fair share of Cone detractors, and I think that is really unfortunate. I m really not impressed with flag waving
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Nij
... I appreciate your thoughts for not sharing... So... just to open up that discussion... are there any Lyson Small Gamut users on this list? Experiences? Nij
Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper, i.e. long prints
2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley
Andy, I have not printed anything claose to that long myself. In the 1280 Epson driver you are limited to a maximum length of 44 . My understanding is that
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Austin Franklin
... 1) convenience...no need to convert. 2) IF the new driver is designed to use the higher bit depth in it s halftoning/dithering...then, as people have said
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Brain dump on: Cone vs MIS or: Inkjet vs Darkroom?
2001-10-01 by Nij
OK - thanks for the clarification Terry...
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by TerryR
Nij, I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you! ;-) Just kidding, but in fairness to these companies that would not be a good thing to do, since a
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Tyler Boley
... OK, now I m really seriously confused. What s this all about? Tyler
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley
Rodrigo, In theory you should be able to get better, smoother tonality in your prints by doing all the work in a 16-bit space. In practice this is limiting in
Re: Brain dump on: Cone vs MIS or: Inkjet vs Darkroom?
2001-10-01 by TerryR
Nij, The crystalisation that you mentioned below has nothing to do with the pads, it is noticed by users when they remove the carts to replace them. There is
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley
... have had ... eventually ... One ... prints ... plus ... I didn t mean to imply that Piezo always clogs but from my experience, your experience and that of
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Tyler Boley
... wrote: Terry, I was, in fact trying to balance out the posts, and was responding to what I thought was an unblanced post. I think this list, in particular,
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Nij
Tyler, I agree... but for different reasons. I just think people seriously underestimate the time it _may_ take for ink to move to the print-head in
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Nij
Terry, Perhaps you could help me, offlist maybe, to gen up on who makes all these inks. Seriously, if you know something I don t - which sounds very likely in
Brain dump on: Cone vs MIS or: Inkjet vs Darkroom?
2001-10-01 by Nij
Hi all, Recent discussions on Piezography vs MIS have become a little heated ;) For a moment, I thought we must have been having a tete-a-tete about Mac vs
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-10-01 by Martin Wesley
... were ... reason, ... piezo?) ... or two ... to get ... more ... closer to ... neutral curve ... Todd, AT least the metamerism is in keeping with the light
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by Michael J. Kravit
Terry, Excellent post, you are right on target and I could not agree more. Actually I was quite surprised when I read Tyler s post. Regards, Michael J. Kravit,
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by TerryR
Michael, Thank you. His post caught me off guard also, which prompted my reply. Honestly Tyler, you are one of those that I respect on this list and I didn t
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
2001-10-01 by TerryR
Tyler, Normally I agree with your posts 100%, but feel that you are pointing in the wrong direction here. I think Jon Cone is/was innovative, and has helped to
MIS VM Hex Paper Comparison Addendum
2001-10-01 by Tom Keesling
After posting the following information, I received my box of Hahnemuhle Photo Rag paper. On Friday, I printed the same image as described below with the same
Notes from Seybold (InkJetArt.com)
2001-09-30 by Mark Tucker
I thought some of you might find some of this interesting: http://www.tssphoto.com/sp/dg/news/archive/IJN_09-28-01.html
Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-09-30 by Tyler Boley
... Hopefully ConeTech will have ... On the other hand Piezo has all ... frustration ... Actually, I doubt Conetech has any clogging issue to resolve at all.
Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper, i.e. long prints
2001-09-30 by Mark Tucker
... this ... piece on ... You might consider joining the Epson9000 list to research this. There were several threads months ago about a guy who was wanting to
Re: [Digital BW] Panorama Paper, i.e. long prints
2001-09-30 by buckwiet@yahoo.com
Tim & Martin - I just joined yesterday for the purpose of learning how to do this (printing 12 x84 panoramas) since they cost around $300 a piece on silver
[Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-09-30 by ramestic@eso.org
Hello, after reading this list it really looks like an 8bit workflow is enough for a desktop printer (like the 860/1160). Are you using a printer like this
Epson 3000 available
2001-09-30 by Chuck Ferris
I have an Epson that I wish to sell. I recently purchased a 7000 and no longer have use for the 3000. The unit is in excellent condition and has had light use.
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-09-30 by Jerry Olson
Jim Do try the VM inks and Paul Roark s curves. Absolutely no dots and no banding. Jerry
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-09-30 by Julian Thomas
Martin, I think a lot of the problems with piezo are down to the printer. I have had one bad 1160. Which clogged, needed loads of care and was eventually
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS?
2001-09-30 by Todd Flashner
... Ah, so you do see it. I thought I was the only one who felt they were metameric. Regarding the cyan cast, I sent Paul some test strips for another reason,