Re: [Digital BW] Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-07 by Truman Prevatt
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RE: [Digital BW] Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-07 by Austin Franklin
Hi Truman, ... To quote a famous Jerry it takes both ;-) Regards, Austin
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-07 by Austin Franklin
Hi Jerry, ... That isn t manipulating the image. What you are doing is acquiring higher fidelity (accuracy of reproduction). ... Yes, that s true...but you
Re: [Digital BW] Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-07 by Truman Prevatt
The art of photography is to become the master of the image rather than the master of the tools. The master of the tools is a technician, the master of the
Re: [Digital BW] Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-07 by knightmaer35@aol.com
I find my pursuit of some sort of artistic expression to be in quite a few directions at once. My taste is perhaps too varied. But I have also always admired
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-07 by Jerry Olson
You are Manipulating the development times for the film far from normal . This is definitely a form of manipulation. ... Depends on how much info is
Re: [Digital BW] Lyson BW
2002-12-06 by Jon Tencza
Hello Cyril I ve used lyson small gamut inks for about 6 months of so and I had a lot of problems with the inks The continuos feed system work well but the
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-06 by Austin Franklin
Mark, ... Using the Zone System up front is hardly manipulation. What you are doing is capturing as much information as you can on the film. How is that
[Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins and ART
2002-12-06 by smithj72
Amen to that Mark, I think you hit the nail on the head. The other thing that I was confused by in this thread was the question of art. Since when did art
A Newbie, MIS VM, Epson 1200 and WinXP - Guidance?
2002-12-06 by Joe
Howdy all, First off, great Group you ve got going here. I m very impressed with the dedication with which you folks have thrown yourselves into the B&W
[Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-06 by Mark Hahn
if anyone only shoots a photo when they *know* they are going to get a perfect negative, that will not require any manipulation (traditional or digital), they
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-06 by Austin Franklin
Hi Andy, ... No, nor have I ever said that I would either! I certainly would judge one s technique based on one s technique though ;-) ... Thanks. But...I
Re: Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-06 by Andy Levin
... Austin: I would never judge an image based on technique. A good picture, as Mark says, looks right. I couldn t put it any better than that. With
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1270/1280 vs. Canon S9000
2002-12-06 by Tony Terlecki
... There is a CIS equivalent (called UltraFlo) available for these printers at http://www.weink.com. Tony ... -- Tony Terlecki ajt@mrps.demon.co.uk Running
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1270/1280 vs. Canon S9000
2002-12-06 by Jerry Olson
That takes care of one big problem, but will the Canon do 44 inch panoramas? Jerry
RE: [Digital BW] Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-06 by Austin Franklin
Hi Matthew, ... Self imposing rules is perhaps limiting one s vision, but that is very circumstantial. Having discipline/vision/knowledge/experience to
Novatone?
2002-12-06 by Jean-Marc Humbert
Have you ever heard about the Novatone print technic? How does it work? I have seen a book named Africa with absolutly terrific b&w prints (using this Novatone
Re: [Digital BW] C80 and Photo Rag slippage
2002-12-06 by Thom McGraw
Allyen, You just need to give those thicker papers a little shove. Press the paper feed button prior to printing, grab both sides of the paper and just give a
RE: [Digital BW] Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-06 by Shire,Stanley
Exactly! Stan Shire Associate Professor/Department Chair Photographic Imaging Community College of Philadelphia Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E. Author: Hands On
Re: C80 and Photo Rag slippage
2002-12-06 by Albert Wang
the best way is to adjust the lever on the left side for the paper thickness. I always have it set to the thicker paper stock so that the paper feed doesn t
Holiday Card Exchange Update
2002-12-06 by Anton Young
I m closing the list and emailing out the info tomorrow. If you wanted to be in the exchange but have not emailed me yet please do so. If you have emailed me,
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-06 by Shire,Stanley
I think the why limit your vision was directed to Mark re: I rarely even go as extreme as an orange filter. I agree with you.art is whatever it is. S. Stan
Ah, the digital argument...
2002-12-06 by Matthew Born
I don t think Stan meant NOT manipulating images necessarily means limiting your vision, just that if you *wish* to do so and elect not to because of a
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Why print at 2880 DPI
2002-12-06 by Alessandro Pardi
Jerry, that s something to remember if you want to print small! I have a 1160 and like to print A3, but if for any reason I need to print at postcard size I ll
Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1270/1280 vs. Canon S9000
2002-12-06 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
... InkJetGoodies, and Lyson are about to release CIS s for the S9000.. MediaStreet s was just waiting on having the instruction booklet finished up.. So,
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-06 by David Dyer-Bennet
... There are pairs of colors that render identically in (some particular) B&W emulsion that are different on a color emulsion. To separate them in the B&W
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Chemistry refresher course
2002-12-06 by David Dyer-Bennet
... Sometimes considerable heat can be generated. This can cause a dolop of *stuff* to fly around the room. Since you combine dangerous things slowly and
[Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-06 by Mark Hahn
or to make it really sticky... IS photography art? :0 ...no, no, ignore that I said that:) mark PS The people you think over do the fiddly stuff probably
Re:Ink Chemistry Refresher
2002-12-06 by Jeff Randall
The Ink Chemistry Refresher thread is new and was intended to warn folks about blindly using the 9 parts water to 1 part household ammonia (or Windex with
[Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-06 by Clayton Jones
Hi Stan, ... and deciding if Somerset Velvet or Photorag works best with the image from a scan of a pinhole paper neg. Reminds me of the instructions for how
Re: [Digital BW] Two sided paper options?
2002-12-06 by Steven Karafyllakis
I am going to be making a calendar for my folks and folk-in-laws for ... side, and ... but ... inks/double ... Jim; I m in the process of doing same, and
Heavy weight matte w/ B&W pigs?
2002-12-06 by Steven Karafyllakis
Has anyone done comparative fade/shift tests with EHWM matte and the MIS inks? I ran across a couple of sheets and was surprised to find that it printed (and
Re:Ink Chemistry Refresher
2002-12-06 by Jon Zax
Not to become too obtuse, but I think the memories are about the rule add acids to water not water to acids This is about diluting concentrated acids like
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Shire,Stanley
Bravo! Stan Shire Associate Professor/Department Chair Photographic Imaging Community College of Philadelphia Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E. Author: Hands On
Ink Chemistry Refresher
2002-12-05 by Jeff Randall
All this water and ammonia discussion has taken place without the context as to the kind of ink (especially the ink pH). The ammonia makes the cleaning
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Austin Franklin
Stan, ... Well, yes and no... Some is, some isn t. ... Who said anything about limiting vision? If YOUR vision requires you to do heavy manipulations, then
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Shire,Stanley
Dontcha love this stuff. This list gives me more technical and intellectual stimulation than I get at the college and it s pretty intense there. Half of our
Re: Chemistry refresher course
2002-12-05 by Jeff Randall
Use the regular household ammonia *NOT* the sudsy kind. You must have spent too many years in a darkroom breathing hypo to even think about mixing 100% ammonia
RE: [Digital BW] Digest Number 1167>
2002-12-05 by Austin Franklin
Hi Andy, ... Do you believe there is any downside to that? (I know what my answer is ;-) ... That is a completely different issue. That was scanning a B&W
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Shire,Stanley
Austin, Austin, Austin and Mark, Mark, Mark: Is photography not art? If I vary the tonal scale of the negative by utilizing the Zone System or burn a sky or
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Austin Franklin
... Mark, Yes, some believe that, but I for one do not. BUT...is it art or photography? Does it even matter? To some, yes, and obviously to others, no.
[Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Mark Hahn
Of course, if you know your film and chemistry well enough, you can use Technical Pan film and get the same art by traditional darkroom methods... why are
[Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Mark Hahn
Ummm, do you consider choosing a specific B&W film type based on how it responds to colors more art than photography as well? And why does a yellow filter
Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Andy Levin
... Austin In theory you are right, but in practicality I think you are mistaken. Once the color values are gone obviously you lose the ability to make
Help!!! Photo EX for B&W
2002-12-05 by Cat
fotobob7 asked about using a Stylus Photo/Photo EX/700 for B&W. I ve been using mine for about 8 months now, with the MIS Quad ink set. Great images, which are
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Moreno Polloni
... That s what Mark and I were trying to say. ... in ... Funny you should say that. I ve photographed art for a book (not your book) as well as art magazines,
[Digital BW] Digest Number 1167>
2002-12-05 by Andy Levin
... Austin: Sorry. None. My point was that if the ultimate goal is greyscale, I would shoot in color, either digital or analog, and convert using the various
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Convert to B&W plugins
2002-12-05 by Austin Franklin
... Moreno, If the original image is real color data, not B&W scanned as RGB, yes. Doing as you suggest to a B&W image scanned in RGB doesn t work. But that
Re: [Digital BW] Chemistry refresher course
2002-12-05 by Jerry Olson
Mama was right. NEVER add ammonia to bleach. You could die. Jerry
Re: [Digital BW] Two sided paper options?
2002-12-05 by Jerry Olson
Eclipse Satine, Bright White is excellent. Jerry