Re: [Digital BW] Re: Piezo2 vs ImagePrint RIPS? Mike K.?
2001-09-14 by Adrian Joyner
Mike Were you using Piezo or FS inks. What paper and profile. I just tried it again and got the same results as before so I must be doing something different
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Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by Todd Flashner
... This was Jon s extended answer to the question on the Piezo list: The color inks are 100% pigment. PiezoBW inks: The black mass is carbon black and there
Successful Users of MIS/Roark VM Inks on Epson 1280?
2001-09-14 by hslavitt@cpdb.com
I ve been experimenting with Paul Roark s VM hextone inks and curves on an Epson 1200. Paul has been very helpful in working with me to write curves to work
Re: Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by mh@toomanyartists.com
I believe you are thinking about color piezo having no dye. Here is what Jon Cone said about piezoBW way back on Tue Nov 28, 2000; Piezography*BW inks use
4: Jerry Olson Re: [Digital BW]
2001-09-14 by tyork@accesscable.net
Hi Jerry, The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I wanted. You might be
RE: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by Nij
I believe that he _has_ stated the BW inks have a small additional dye component, and as you say, it is the color inks that are 100% pigment. Nij
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by Robert Morrison
... I thought that Jon has repeatedly denied this. But I m uncertain now. He has said several times that the color piezo product is 100% pigment, no dye, but
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by Robert Morrison
... Carbon black is much more light stable than any color pigment on the market. The RIT results are mystifying unless the black ink has another color toner in
Re: PiezoBW versus Lyson Small gamut
2001-09-14 by jobnl@excite.com
Martin, Comparing Lyson and Piezo before the fading test: - The Lyson has a richer black. I like that very much. - However the Lyson does not have the
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by Robert Morrison
... Jon has stated time and time again that there is no dye in the piezoBW product as it stands. There are numerous posts to this effect. As to whether the
Re: [Digital BW] PiezoBW versus Lyson Small gamut
2001-09-14 by Martin Wesley
Tyler, Are you objecting to the statement that Piezo contains a green component or that it fades out? Or both? I am not familiar with C. D. Tobie or his tests.
Re: [Digital BW] PiezoBW versus Lyson Small gamut
2001-09-14 by Tyler Boley
... wrote: snip... ... tint is ... separately. When ... greenish ... This is being repeated so many times, despite the facts, an agenda
[Digital BW] Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-14 by Antonis Ricos
... Well, now, we are not allowed to exaggerate on this list... ; - ) Antonis
selenium toned look
2001-09-14 by daschkenas@aol.com
I tried Jerry s color numbers for the selenium toned look, then tweaked them a bit for my paper and got a beautiful slightly toned look. I used legion Photo
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by Paul Roark
... Actually, I think one of the problems with Piezo is that there is green-blue dye in it. I think Cone should have used pigments to color the inkset. Also,
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-14 by Paul Roark
... I may not have a test that is a direct comparison between Piezo and the MIS VM inkset. I try not to compare the results of different trials, because the
[Digital BW] PiezoBW versus Lyson Small gamut
2001-09-14 by Paul Roark
... roof-window ... a ... The Piezo results sound similar to my experiences. The greenish tint is obvious in the two lightest gray inks if they are printed
Re: [Digital BW] Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by Carolyn Frayn
Antonis, Agreeing with you makes me think I m doing something right! I just wish I had your gift for the written word!! :-) Carolyn
Re: [Digital BW] Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by Carolyn Frayn
Mike, ... From what I understand they are indeed optimized for that space because the press world has in the past used that space exclusively. This is not the
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-13 by Martin Wesley
Robert, From what I see, Piezo has green dye or pigment in at least the Magenta position and Jon Cone has said that there are dye components in Piezo. I really
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-13 by Robert G. Morrison
I d me amazed if they weren t. The beauty of piezo (or straight MIS) is that all the ink is pure black. No two pigments have the same fading properties, so it
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Piezo2 vs ImagePrint RIPS? Mike K.?
2001-09-13 by Adrian Joyner
Quentin I agree. I ve got a demo copy of Imageprint on which Piezo is based. I don t know whether Jon Cone will have enhanced this for Piezo2 but there is
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-13 by mwesley250@earthlink.net
Robert, Are you thinking the blue components will be more susceptible to UV fading? Martin ... 21 step ... We have ... communicate ... Do you ... very warm ...
Re: PiezoBW versus Lyson Small gamut
2001-09-13 by Martin Wesley
Jo, Thank you for the info on the Lyson inks. I have been waiting for someone to post something about the Lyson. Aside from the archival and fade issues, how
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-13 by Robert Morrison
Got it. Antonis and I are using his spectrophotometer to read the 21 step wedges. I have previously reported the dmax for the 100% black. We have full
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Attention Studio Portrait Photographers
2001-09-13 by Robert Morrison
Hmmm...maybe I should go into the import/export business.....where do you live.... Maybe we could work out a deal. Robert ... Robert Morrison
Re: [Digital BW] 4: Jerry Olson
2001-09-13 by Jerry Olson
Exactly what purple and black ink? There are thousands of shades of purple! Jerry
[Digital BW] Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by Antonis Ricos
Carolyn, glad to see we agree on our reading as well as our workflows!! Antonis ... wrote: That book Antonis mentioned is extremely good... I have
PiezoBW versus Lyson Small gamut
2001-09-13 by Jo Brunenberg
Piezo versus Lyson Small gamut .............and the winner is: Piezo B&W! I carried out a small, nonscientific, experiment: During the complete month of August
Re: colorspace for quads - workflow
2001-09-13 by Antonis Ricos
Mark, as I have written here before, I find it far more convenient to do all the work in RGB, then drop to grayscale and print. This works for piezo and for
[Digital BW] Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by mh@toomanyartists.com
For a black and white group, you guys sure are talking a lot about color spaces... : ) The colormatch space is a perfectly good, wide gamut space to use. I
[Digital BW] Re: Attention Studio Portrait Photographers
2001-09-13 by Garry Sarre
You guys are so spoilt. Where I come from, the hasselblad digi back is $40,000. If I could get it for 20k, I d be in like a shot Garry Sarre ... $75K. It ...
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-13 by Martin Wesley
Hi, I put a higher resolution version of Paul s scan of the Piezo vs. MIS fade test in the Files section in the Message Related Files folder. You can get a
Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by Tom Keesling
Antonis, Thanks for the reply. I guess I read more into your comments than I should have. I thought you were suggesting there was something unique about the
Re: [Digital BW] John Brownlow is featured on Luminous-Landscapes
2001-09-13 by Carolyn Frayn
Thanks Martin, I ve visited John s site a while back... I was pleased to see him on Michaels. Luminous-Landscape has been in my bookmarks for years. I m in
Re: [Digital BW] Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by Carolyn Frayn
... Mark, I have done that more than once. Especially when PS6 came out and I had to rethink everything! That book Antonis mentioned is extremely good... I
Re: [Digital BW] John Brownlow is featured on Luminous-Landscapes
2001-09-13 by Martin Wesley
Carolyn, Check out John s website. You will find the link in the groups Bookmarks under Photographers. Definitely worth a nice long look. There are a lot
[Digital BW] John Brownlow is featured on Luminous-Landscapes
2001-09-13 by Carolyn Frayn
John Brownlow (Deadman) is featured on Michael Reichmann s site. Nice work John. I love that line... but I didn t, so I didn t.
Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by Mark Tucker
... Antonis/Carolyn, This has been a good thread. I will get that book. Thanks for all the information on this topic. I will probably go back to square one on
Re: [Digital BW] 4: Jerry Olson
2001-09-13 by tyork@accesscable.net
Hi Jerry, I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the purple, 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no color adjustments. The
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-13 by Paul Roark
... I use a scanner to measure the differences, scanning the test strip along with the control strip. I then use the Photoshop Histogram tool to measure
Re: [Digital BW] Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-13 by Carolyn Frayn
... I m always shy to bring that one up! Carolyn
Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-12 by Antonis Ricos
... Tom, I highly recommend Real World Photoshop by Fraser and Blatner. Not to mention... the stinking Adobe manual ! Antonis
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-12 by Robert Morrison
Antonis, informs me that a stop is .3 density points, so the change we saw in the window for 6 weeks was no where near a stop decline. Sounds like the
Re: colorspace for quads [was7000 MIS Variable Inks Workflow (MAC)]
2001-09-12 by Antonis Ricos
... Even if that was the case (it is not - as Carolyn pointed out), the monitor should not be the determining device for color calculations. Rather the input
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-12 by Antonis Ricos
... 1 stop = 0.3 log density Antonis
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-12 by Robert Morrison
Paul, are your figures % of dmax? Or did you correct for the log scale? Just trying to figure out how they correspond to mine changes. Robert ... Robert
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-12 by Robert Morrison
In our coatings study, the dmax of uncoated 100% Piezo Black printed on Orwell dropped from 1.69 to 1.53 in 6 weeks of full LA sun. I don t know how to
Re: [Digital BW] re:metamerism and b/w inks
2001-09-12 by dtilson@metronets.com
... generic ... I use ... Photoshop ... negatives or
Re: [Digital BW] Piezo - Loss of Density
2001-09-12 by Martin Wesley
Paul, I put the file you sent in the Files section in the Message Related Files folder. An interesting result. With eyeball alone the end results are much