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The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-20 by Richard Vanek

I was first thinking to write directly to Paul, but I think it is much nicer
to write here and hopefully more people can benefit from the information if
they are in similar situation than I am.

I like to ask few question in this email, but before I dos o I think is good
to explain what did I use back from 2001.
I started with epson 890 & 1280 and few years ago I went on with 2100. All
this time I sued MIS inks designed by Paul Roark. UT2 and UT7, two years ago
I went using K4+ which I used as K5+ as is described in pdf file from Paul.

I have acquired last week old Epson 7500 and until today I have read quite a
lot information here on forum and also on Paul's web page about
possibilities to use this printer for b&w prints.

I always liked printing on mat paper and with Ut2 & UT7 I had very good
success to use these ink sets also on glossy and semi glossy papers.

I was reading quite a lot about Ebony-5/6 or Carbon-6 ink sets. What I
understood they are good option for 7500 for matte papers. The problem is
that quite a lot of people prefers glossy paper, for example Epson
Exhibition F Gloss paper (or as known in Europe under name  Epson
Traditional Photo Paper).

I was thinking, while I am using K4+ on my 2100 printer, maybe I should use
same ink on 7500. If this though process is correct would be great way.
There is only one little problem which maybe misunderstood.

I was not able to make correct print with Ebony black in K4+ set on glossy
paper. I need to always cut it off to avoid strange effects with different
kind of reflection from it on glossy paper. Do I have to replace the Ebony
black in K4+ set with MIS photo black to get same reflection on glossy paper
as I am getting from the other inks in this set (MIS MP-PK, MIS K4-LK, MIS
K4-LLK) ?

Is it possible to have good deep black with K4+ inkset on glossy paper,
without this effect of different light reflection from the surface on
different inks?

I am now in stage of purchasing bigger amount of inks and empty cartridges
from MIS and I like to order it correctly. For me being in Europe the costs
of transfer and custom are increasing price considerable.

I am using QTR wit x-rite densitometer.

One rather simple question users for 7500 and similar printers, how many
prints (or better say how many cm^2 or inch^2) you can do with one full set
of standard 110ml cartridges?


Another question which was bothering me is:
Is there any exact (correct) procedure, how to design color curves for two
toner is K4+ ink set, I always just used what is suggested bu Paul, but I
guess it must be different for different papers.

-- 
Richard Vanek
portfolio: www.richard-vanek.eu
twitter: http://twitter.com/richo_67
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Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-20 by Paul

Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:

> ...
> to explain what did I use back from 2001.
> I started with epson 890 & 1280 and few years ago I went 
> on with 2100. ... MIS inks designed by Paul Roark. 
> UT2 and UT7, two years ago I went using K4+ which I used 
> as K5+ as is described in pdf file from Paul.

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4K+.pdf 

(This is MIS carbon with LM and LC (I diluted it 1:1) channels.  I used Epson LM to avoid the green shift caused by weak third party magentas.  I used the MIS LC because that is all I had a base for at that time.  Now I might use the generic C6 base with HP ink.)

 
> I have acquired last week old Epson 7500 ...
> 
> I always liked printing on mat paper and with Ut2 & UT7 
> I had very good success ... also on glossy and semi glossy papers.

> I was reading quite a lot about Ebony-5/6 or Carbon-6 ink sets. 
> What I understood they are good option for 7500 for matte papers.
>  The problem is that quite a lot of people prefers glossy paper,
> for example Epson Exhibition F Gloss paper (or as known in 
> Europe under name  Epson Traditional Photo Paper).

I used the K4+ when I needed to do glossy printing, which I did with the 7500 prior to loading the Eboni-6.  

Today I'm not sure if I'd do that or go with HP PK, the C6 base -- perhaps with an MIS LK to warm the shadows, which can sometimes get too cold with HP PK.  Note that with the 1400 with HP PK and MIS LK, I've seen some papers that don't print well.  The different ink types become apparent where they mix on the paper.  Other papers are fine with both.  Where I've used the MIS LK to just warm a predominately HP PK + dilutions inkset I have not seen this same effect.  They seem to be OK together.  The dilute HP PK inks bronze significantly more than the MIS inks.  Some have used MIS glop to dilute the HP PK.  I don't have any long term experience with this.

 
> I was thinking, while I am using K4+ on my 2100 printer, 
> maybe I should use same ink on 7500. If this though process 
> is correct would be great way.

> ... problem ... I was not able to make correct print with 
> Ebony black in K4+ set on glossy paper. 

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4K+.pdf at page 2.  The C position in my 7500 with 4K + cm setup is MIS PK.  I used that as the K for glossy paper.  It then became a K3 (PK, LK & LLK) + Lc & Lm. 

Of course, the old 7500 is not able to print as smoothly as a modern printer with a K3 setup.  However, it made very good large prints.  

So, all you have to do to print glossy is to have a correct profile that cuts out the Eboni MK.  This setup allows you excellent MIS carbon plus whatever LC and LM inks you want.  There are no blended inks in this mix.  The ink in my mix that settled the fastest was the Epson LM, and it was not bad at all.  So, it's a stable and lightfast inkset.  

I did not have any significant clogging issues with it either.  However, glossy MIS carbon is not as clog free as the matte paper only carbon inks.   

If you need glossy compatible neutral printing, this approach is fine.  Like I said above, I might, today, consider the HP PK based inks.


> I am using QTR wit x-rite densitometer.
> 
> ... for 7500 and similar printers, how many
> prints (or better say how many cm^2 or inch^2) you can do 
> with one full set of standard 110ml cartridges?

(I never measured that.)


> Is there any exact (correct) procedure, how to design 
> color curves for two toner is K4+ ink set, I always 
> just used what is suggested bu Paul, but I
> guess it must be different for different papers.

I used the Bowhaus rip at the time and posted those profiles.  I'd use QTR today.  

The standard QTR profiling like with the UC inkset would do.  Aside from the LC being diluted 1:1, the setup used fairly standard inks.  The 1:1 LC can be compensated for tonally by cutting the ink limit of standard K3 profiles in half.  This gets you the basic idea, but you'll obviously have to change positions of inks and do other things to get the tones right.  I don't know of any pre-made QTR profiles for the setup.  However, the approach to profiling the 7500 with carbons and light C and M inks is pretty much the same for all such setups.  You'll be able to find lots of similar QTR profiles. 

I put a couple of basic QTR carbon profiles here:
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7500-4k.zip

You can put that folder in the Program Files\QTR\Profiles folder and bring them up in the Curve Creator.  They'll save to the Quad7500-K6 Quadtone folder.  That is where you'll find them after saving the files by hitting the "show curve" button.  You can start with these profiles, but you'll shut off the MK for glossy paper.  The C becomes the K -- density 100.  Do an entire workup from Calibration Mode print on to make new profiles.  I don't know how close these old files are.

I sprayed my large prints for display when I used this setup.  MIS pigments have less bronzing than the coated ones, but the artifacts are still there.

I'm not sure what I'd do today if glossy was my main target.  Obviously I've concluded that for most of my work glossy is not the way I want to go, but then I once again have MIS carbon in my printer for a special project.

Note that if you're not a comfortable profiling, a monotone inkset is much easier to deal with. 

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-21 by Richard Vanek

Dear Paul,

thank you very much for your answers.
Reading all your suggestions and experiences I like to ask you few more as I
highly value your experience.

Which inks / paper combination would you recommend for large format prints
on 7500 if you would like to create the most stable fine art print with deep
black?

Not preferring glossy or matte prints, just from global point of view?
Something which has the less compromises and possibility to make the best
b&w print.

I would like to set up this printer to provide the most stable and lightfast
results.
It has been while, I think, when discussion of maximal black density for
dominant on this forum.


(This is MIS carbon with LM and LC (I diluted it 1:1) channels.  I used
> Epson LM to avoid the green shift caused by weak third party magentas.  I
> used the MIS LC because that is all I had a base for at that time.  Now I
> might use the generic C6 base with HP ink.)
>

Could you please tell  me more what you mean by C6 base?


Note that if you're not a comfortable profiling, a monotone inkset is much
> easier to deal with.
>

I do a lot of profiling with QTR and I am full comfortable with it. As I
have rather different set of papers here in Europe than most people on this
list from US have I needed to do that anyway.


-- 
Richard Vanek
portfolio: www.richard-vanek.eu
twitter: http://twitter.com/richo_67
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-Vanek/142576177492


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[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-22 by Paul

Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> Paul,... Which inks / paper combination would you recommend 
> for large format prints on 7500 if you would like to create
> the most stable fine art print with deep black?

Eboni or Carbon-6 on the best paper possible.  The one likely to last the longest  is Arches un-coated watercolor paper.  However, it's dmax is acceptable, but not  great.  I think  the Epson Hot Press Natural might be one I'd  try.  It  does have  an excellent dmax.

Two caveats:  First, the dilute  Eboni inks need agitating.  With teh 7500 the seals on the standard carts probably will leak if they are pulled out  for  agitation too much.  So, you may want to use one of  the funnel fill  carts and  "agitate"  the ink with a syringe in the cart.

Second, the 7500 does not print as smoothly on Arches watercolor  paper as I'd like.  You'll be able to see dots on close inspection.  This is the main reason I moved  to the 7800.

 
> Could you please tell  me more what you mean by C6 base?

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf

Hope  this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-22 by Richard Vanek

Dear Paul,

from your pdf I also understood that 7500 with its bigger drops make prints
a bit cooler with diluted inks.

On 22 July 2010 07:00, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> Eboni or Carbon-6 on the best paper possible.  The one likely to last the
> longest  is Arches un-coated watercolor paper.  However, it's dmax is
> acceptable, but not  great.  I think  the Epson Hot Press Natural might be
> one I'd  try.  It  does have  an excellent dmax.
>

In other words can I assume that Dmax on the right paper matte paper with
this inkset is on the level of Dmax which the Epson UltraChrome inks do on
good glossy papers?


> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf
>

Thank you, I knew I read about it somewhere, now I know where.

In your eobony-6.pdf file you write: "For 2010, I’m using 4 of the Eboni-6
inks, an HP PK, and MIS LK" what is the reason behind?

-richard-


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-22 by Richard Vanek

For flushing up epson inks from 7500 I understood I should use flushing
liquid from MIS, I have found two and I am not sure which one to use and
what are the differences.

One is BASE and other is BASE-UT as mentioned on this page
http://www.inksupply.com/accessory.cfm?action=find&the_cat=1

thanks for directions.

-richard-


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RE: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-22 by Tom Mallonee

Actually a little known secret is that good-old Windex (or an off brand)
loaded into carts is an excellent and harmless flushing agent. It has about
the same pH (around 10.5) as the inks and other flushing fluids, and works
equally well if not better. I've used it for years for short and long term
in all of my printers (including the 7000, 7800, 4880, R2880 , 1400, R2400,
etc) with not the slightest harm to any of the components. You can usually
find it in bulk 1/2 gallon bottles for about $3-$6 - a rather immense cost
saving.
 
Tom Mallonee
www.ovimaging.com
 
  
For flushing up epson inks from 7500 I understood I should use flushing
liquid from MIS, I have found two and I am not sure which one to use and
what are the differences.

One is BASE and other is BASE-UT as mentioned on this page
http://www.inksupply.com/accessory.cfm?action=find
<http://www.inksupply.com/accessory.cfm?action=find&the_cat=1> &the_cat=1

thanks for directions.

-richard-

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-22 by Richard Vanek

Tom,

thanks for tip, but again this is exactly the problem I face a lot. Windex
is something common in US I guess, but I have no idea which is the
comparable product in European market, and frankly I am do not like to
experiment on mine 7500 ;-)

If somebody from Europe ever tried some other window cleaner product I would
really appreciate if they let me know.


-- 
Richard Vanek
portfolio: www.richard-vanek.eu
twitter: http://twitter.com/richo_67
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-Vanek/142576177492


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-22 by Tony Sleep

On 22/07/2010 Richard Vanek wrote:
> If somebody from Europe ever tried some other window cleaner product 
> I would
> really appreciate if they let me know.

I believe the clear version of Windolene is the same product sold as 
Windex in the US. It contains ammonia. I have used it diluted, as an 
inkjet solvent. Sold at Tesco etc. in UK.

Not to be confused with the pink, chalky version of Windolene.

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Bob Frost

> I believe the clear version of Windolene is the same product sold as
> Windex in the US. It contains ammonia. I have used it diluted, as an
> inkjet solvent. Sold at Tesco etc. in UK.

I don't think so. I wrote to SC Johnson - the manufacturers of Windex - and 
got this reply :-

"Thank you for your e-mail regarding Windex.

This product is not manufactured for the UK market and so it is unavailable 
in this country. As the labelling regulations and restrictions on certain 
substances are different in some countries we are unable to import the 
product for sale here without making changes.

In the UK we manufacture a product called Mr Muscle Window & Glass cleaner, 
although the ingredients will be different and does not contain ammonia.

Thank you for contacting SC Johnson and I hope this has helped."

Not much help!

Bob Frost


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> On 22/07/2010 Richard Vanek wrote:
>> If somebody from Europe ever tried some other window cleaner product
>> I would
>> really appreciate if they let me know.
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> Not to be confused with the pink, chalky version of Windolene.
>
> -- 
> Regards
>
> Tony Sleep
> http://tonysleep.co.uk
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Tony Sleep

On 23/07/2010 Richard Vanek wrote:
> I think it would be nice to know what is actually the important 
> ingredient
> or combination of few which makes it works for our use that well. 
> Than we
> can try find something similar.

Water, ammonia, isopropanol and some detergent/surfactant, from 
discussions seen elsewhere. I failed to find household ammonia when 
looking a couple of years ago in UK. It used to be commonly available but 
it appears that Health & Safety have forced it off the shelves, or maybe 
it just doesn't sell as profitably as branded products. No doubt it will 
still be available from chemical suppliers like Rayco. I gave up and used 
  clear Windolene which seemed to be a similar formulation.
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Richard Vanek

I assume you didn't account any problems with it?
Did you use it for flushing large format printers?

thanks
-r-

On 23 July 2010 12:24, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...> wrote:

> On 23/07/2010 Richard Vanek wrote:
> > I think it would be nice to know what is actually the important
> > ingredient
> > or combination of few which makes it works for our use that well.
> > Than we
> > can try find something similar.
>
> Water, ammonia, isopropanol and some detergent/surfactant, from
> discussions seen elsewhere. I failed to find household ammonia when
> looking a couple of years ago in UK. It used to be commonly available but
> it appears that Health & Safety have forced it off the shelves, or maybe
> it just doesn't sell as profitably as branded products. No doubt it will
> still be available from chemical suppliers like Rayco. I gave up and used
>  clear Windolene which seemed to be a similar formulation.
> --
> Regards
>
> Tony Sleep
> http://tonysleep.co.uk
>
>

-- 
Richard Vanek
portfolio: www.richard-vanek.eu
twitter: http://twitter.com/richo_67
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-Vanek/142576177492


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[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Paul

Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
...
> In other words can I assume that Dmax on the right paper
> matte paper with this inkset is on the level of Dmax 
> which the Epson UltraChrome inks do on
> good glossy papers?

No.  Glossy papers  will always have a higher measured  dmax due to the difference in how they reflect light.  It's all about reflections and the type of lighting you have.  The Eboni/Carbon-6 approach has a very good dmax for a matte paper.  In normal lighting, the reflections will often if not usually make a matte dmax look darker than the supposedly higher glossy dmax.  In perfect cross lighting with no light reflecting off the print, the glossy will have a higher dmax.  I use glossy for my brochures because people take them into the sunlight out doors.  There the glossy damx can really pay off.  On the wall in my home, even with the primary lighting being from 2 spot lights, the matte paper wins.


> In your eobony-6.pdf file you write: "For 2010, I’m 
> using 4 of the Eboni-6
> inks, an HP PK, and MIS LK" what is the reason behind?

In the 1400 I use Hp PK to print my gallery brochures.  The 1.5 picoliter droplets do a good jog "black only."  In the 7500 they'd look bad by themselves.  Also, this year I have a large "sepia tone" project.  I'm using 3 levels  of MIS glossy carbon in my 7800 to print this show.  The 1400 was set up with the MIS LK to demonstrate the sepia tone that MIS LK can achieve. I'm pulling the MIS LK from the 1400 soon and going back to 5 Eboni positions there -- the "Eboni-1400" I have linked to  the main BW-Info page.  At the High Sierra, high elevation, dry photo workshohp, not surprising, the MIS LK was  the one channel that was not perfect when I started the printer there.  I'm pulling the ink before it causes more trouble.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Paul

Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> For flushing up epson inks from 7500 I understood I should 
> use flushing liquid  ...

Definitely flush the printer.  You can use any number of things.  I just use the C6 base I describe  in the ink mixing  PDF.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Richard Vanek

Thank you Paul,

it is interesting to read how perceived Dmax differs in different
environment.I have just order set for Ebony-6 and carts and cleaning stuff.

I think if all go well I would love to try make mix like you did with
Ebony-6 myself.

Maybe again somebody has experince with it using European sources?

Thank you very much I am really curious how the prints with 7500 will turn
out. Based on statistic and info from status panel of the printer I see that
it was used for 269 prints only and wate ink pads are in full condition same
like all other stuff except cartridges, which are empty.

I am not sure if I should put in new set of Epson and make printer to run
with them first all should I fill the empty cartridges with clean liquid and
clean the machine right away.

What would you suggest?


-- 
Richard Vanek
portfolio: www.richard-vanek.eu
twitter: http://twitter.com/richo_67
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Tony Sleep

On 23/07/2010 Richard Vanek wrote:
> I assume you didn't account any problems with it?
> Did you use it for flushing large format printers?

No, just clearing nozzles on 1290 and 1160 printers fitted with CIS. It 
worked OK, but I eventually gave up as the printers were far too prone to 
clogs if unused for a few weeks.

I have seen DIY formulations discussed that include ammonia and 
isopropanol, probably on the defunct Epson list.

-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Paul

Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> ... used for 269 prints only ...

Some seem to buy these printers and never  use them much.  Just be sure the nozzles are clear.

 
> I am not sure if I should put in new set of Epson and 
> make printer to run with them first all should I 
> fill the empty cartridges with clean liquid and
> clean the machine right away.

The Epson pigs  may have settled badly if the machine has not been used much.  I'd at least  agitate the Epson carts if you run them at all.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by dlruckus

Richard. See message no. 100713 here.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:
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>
> I assume you didn't account any problems with it?
> Did you use it for flushing large format printers?
> 
> thanks
> -r-
> 
> On 23 July 2010 12:24, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...> wrote:
> 
> > On 23/07/2010 Richard Vanek wrote:
> > > I think it would be nice to know what is actually the important
> > > ingredient
> > > or combination of few which makes it works for our use that well.
> > > Than we
> > > can try find something similar.
> >
> > Water, ammonia, isopropanol and some detergent/surfactant, from
> > discussions seen elsewhere. I failed to find household ammonia when
> > looking a couple of years ago in UK. It used to be commonly available but
> > it appears that Health & Safety have forced it off the shelves, or maybe
> > it just doesn't sell as profitably as branded products. No doubt it will
> > still be available from chemical suppliers like Rayco. I gave up and used
> >  clear Windolene which seemed to be a similar formulation.
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> > Tony Sleep
> > http://tonysleep.co.uk
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> Richard Vanek
> portfolio: www.richard-vanek.eu
> twitter: http://twitter.com/richo_67
> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-Vanek/142576177492
> 
> 
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[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by tboleyyh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
...
> Eboni or Carbon-6 on the best paper possible.  The one likely to last the longest  is Arches un-coated watercolor paper...

I am thinking that once again there are factors at play beyond our realm of experience. The uncoated Arches tests currently at Aardenberg are mine. My primary interest in the submission was to test our assumptions about the fallibility of the inkjet receptor coatings, a concern of all of ours from the beginning. Mark then rightly requested an ABW sample to run concurrently to fill in more knowledge gaps.
Even though they are only at the 20 Mlux hrs point, they have not done as well as the same inks on some of the coated papers, though well. Of course all this will shift around over time, but I'm not getting the sense the Arches, at least with UCK3mk, will represent the pinnacle of longevity amongst the papers primarily because it's cotton without them pesky coatings I love to blame.
Now they very well may reign supreme with Paul's ink recommended in this thread, and they will probably do well overall.
But this is an additional example of how much we still have to learn, how little presumption we should be doing, and more specifically, how no single process component can be evaluated thoroughly without being considered part of the whole, and then really only the entire process, method (how about the GCR associated with various media settings?), ink, paper, etc etc..
.. and then, the results only speak to the system, not just the paper, or the ink, etc etc...
I don't mean to divert the thread, I just thought the Arches results were noteworthy so far.
Tyler

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-23 by Richard Vanek

Excellent!, do you know if he refers to ethyl-alcohol?

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> Richard. See message no. 100713 here.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Vanek  
> <yahoo@...> wrote:
>>
>> I assume you didn't account any problems with it?
>> Did you use it for flushing large format printers?
>>
>> thanks
>> -r-
>>
>> On 23 July 2010 12:24, Tony Sleep <TonySleep@...> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/07/2010 Richard Vanek wrote:
>>>> I think it would be nice to know what is actually the important
>>>> ingredient
>>>> or combination of few which makes it works for our use that well.
>>>> Than we
>>>> can try find something similar.
>>>
>>> Water, ammonia, isopropanol and some detergent/surfactant, from
>>> discussions seen elsewhere. I failed to find household ammonia when
>>> looking a couple of years ago in UK. It used to be commonly  
>>> available but
>>> it appears that Health & Safety have forced it off the shelves, or  
>>> maybe
>>> it just doesn't sell as profitably as branded products. No doubt  
>>> it will
>>> still be available from chemical suppliers like Rayco. I gave up  
>>> and used
>>> clear Windolene which seemed to be a similar formulation.
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Tony Sleep
>>> http://tonysleep.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>
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[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-24 by Paul

"tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote: 

 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@> wrote:
> ...
> > Eboni or Carbon-6 on the best paper possible.  The one likely to last the longest  is Arches un-coated watercolor paper...

 
> ... The uncoated Arches tests currently at Aardenberg are mine. ... they have not done as well as the same inks on some of the coated papers, though well.


That is consistent with my tests (with a blended B&W inkset, not 100% carbon).  However, the fade testing is not going to show what the long term staying power is  of the coatings with respect to cracking and separation.  We have no good accelerated age testing information.  My belief is that Wilhelm's tests are at a constant temperature and humidity, thus not subjecting the paper to the termperature and humidity swings that probably present  the most  serious risk.  

So with respect to how the paper itself will hold up  we're stuck more with the historical experience, and we just do  not have that data with respect to the coated inkjet papers.  Arches, on the other hand, has stood the test of  time.  So, I read the original question(perhaps  incorrectily) as including paper longevity as well as ink longevity, and I suspect the carbon will  last long enough that the substrate itself may be  a limiting factor.

Of course, don't  get me wrong,  I use mostly coated paper.  Moreover, I think the new coated Epson Hot Press Natural looks great with the carbon inks (and I see it's now also available in rolls).  I'm hopeful the coated papers will last, but I think there  is more uncertainty than with an uncoated paper like Arches. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com  

>

[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-24 by dlruckus

Richard. Yes. In the US ethyl alcohol is regulated and taxed heavily. It is available inexpensively in an adulterated form that prevents it from being used as a beverage. That is called denatured alcohol here.
 Regards,
 Duane


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>
> Excellent!, do you know if he refers to ethyl-alcohol?
> 
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> www.richard-vanek.eu
> 
> 
> On 23.7.2010, at 22:52, dlruckus <dlruckus@...> wrote:
> 
> > Richard. See message no. 100713 here.
> >

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-26 by Richard Vanek

Duane,
Thank you very much for this note. I think situation is here in eu same.

I have now set of 7500 empty epspn cartridges and I will try to clean  
them up using your mix and than pull it through printer.

As I never own 7500 before, I am not sure how can I take out cleaning  
pads or waste ink colectors to clean them as well. Do you know? Is it  
something easily doable home?

Once again thanks!

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On 24.7.2010, at 22:28, dlruckus <dlruckus@...> wrote:

> Richard. Yes. In the US ethyl alcohol is regulated and taxed  
> heavily. It is available inexpensively in an adulterated form that  
> prevents it from being used as a beverage. That is called denatured  
> alcohol here.
> Regards,
> Duane
>
>

[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-27 by Paul

Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> ... As I never own 7500 before, I am not sure how can 
> I take out cleaning  pads or waste ink colectors to 
> clean them as well. Do you know? Is it  
> something easily doable home?

Working from memory here, there are 4 screws on the front panel of the 7500, below where the paper exits when printed.  Take these off and you have access to the waste ink tank.  I use cotton batting that is intended for chair cushions to replace the soaked Epson pads.  You'll probably find the reset routine (to tell the printer the tank is now empty) on the Yahoo Epson Wider Format forum or their files.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-07-27 by dlruckus

Richard, It is fairly easy to replace the pads in the waste collection box.It only takes removing 4 screws from the front exit plate on the machine to access it. The tricky part is getting the plate back in position. It's not hard, but you need to look carefully at it when you slide it down for removal so that you know which tabs go where when you put it back on.Otherwise you can leave one or more of them sticking up to cause paper to jam up coming out of the printer.

If you find the box is fairly dry (especially if the printer has been sitting unused for quite awhile) you may not need to worry about doing anything with the pads for some time. They last considerably longer than Epson's guidelines indicate and some people reset the printers warning once or twice before changing pads. You just need to be aware of them and check them from time to time if you are doing heavy printing or making many ink changeovers.

If you don't already have it, I would suggest that you download the 7500 service manual. It's available online- just google it. 

Regards,
Duane


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>
> Duane,
> Thank you very much for this note. I think situation is here in eu same.
> 
> I have now set of 7500 empty epspn cartridges and I will try to clean  
> them up using your mix and than pull it through printer.
> 
> As I never own 7500 before, I am not sure how can I take out cleaning  
> pads or waste ink colectors to clean them as well. Do you know? Is it  
> something easily doable home?
> 
> Once again thanks!
> 
> --
> Richard Vanek
> www.richard-vanek.eu
>

Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-27 by Phil

According to Epson, R280 does not work with inkjet transparency.

Does anyone has a workaround on this? I am producing digital negatives 
using transparencies and this limitation is a little strange.

Thanks,
Phil

Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-27 by mrjimbo

Phil,
The R280 uses Claria inks which is a dye based ink.. The transparency material Epson sells is for Pigment based inks.. So they are not supporting it with that printer. Just track down some transparency material that is for Dye based inks..( HP has some) and go for it ...you'll be just fine. I can't speak to how well it'll work for digital negs....you may need to make a profile for it but I'd think you'd be just fine..

jimbo
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:02 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency


    
  According to Epson, R280 does not work with inkjet transparency.

  Does anyone has a workaround on this? I am producing digital negatives 
  using transparencies and this limitation is a little strange.

  Thanks,
  Phil


  

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-27 by Phil

Thanks Jimbo. I think the printer paused when it detects I am using 
transparency material. Or it may use some sort of light to detect the 
page edge and the transparency material shows no edges to the light.

I guess if I tape one side/edge of the transparency then it may be able 
to detect the edge of the sheet. But I am wonder which edge should be 
taped.

Thanks,
Phil

mrjimbo wrote:
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>
> Phil,
> The R280 uses Claria inks which is a dye based ink.. The transparency 
> material Epson sells is for Pigment based inks.. So they are not 
> supporting it with that printer. Just track down some transparency 
> material that is for Dye based inks..( HP has some) and go for it 
> ...you'll be just fine. I can't speak to how well it'll work for 
> digital negs....you may need to make a profile for it but I'd think 
> you'd be just fine..
>
> jimbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:02 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency
>
> According to Epson, R280 does not work with inkjet transparency.
>
> Does anyone has a workaround on this? I am producing digital negatives
> using transparencies and this limitation is a little strange.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-27 by Un Globe Trotteur

I doubt the 280 is that sophisticated to detect the kind of paper you are 
using. Are you telling the print driver that you are using transparency or 
glossy paper? I had a 220 and was able to print on pictorico paper with dye 
ink. I just told the print driver I was using premium glossy paper.
my 0.02
pierre

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From: "Phil" <panmedia@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:37 PM
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

> Thanks Jimbo. I think the printer paused when it detects I am using
> transparency material. Or it may use some sort of light to detect the
> page edge and the transparency material shows no edges to the light.
>
> I guess if I tape one side/edge of the transparency then it may be able
> to detect the edge of the sheet. But I am wonder which edge should be
> taped.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> mrjimbo wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>> The R280 uses Claria inks which is a dye based ink.. The transparency
>> material Epson sells is for Pigment based inks.. So they are not
>> supporting it with that printer. Just track down some transparency
>> material that is for Dye based inks..( HP has some) and go for it
>> ...you'll be just fine. I can't speak to how well it'll work for
>> digital negs....you may need to make a profile for it but I'd think
>> you'd be just fine..
>>
>> jimbo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Phil
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:02 PM
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency
>>
>> According to Epson, R280 does not work with inkjet transparency.
>>
>> Does anyone has a workaround on this? I am producing digital negatives
>> using transparencies and this limitation is a little strange.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-27 by Cdtobie

>>I doubt the 280 is that sophisticated to detect the kind of paper you are 
using. 

Actually, some printers have a media sensor which requires an opaque media to function, so printing on transparent media does require using the transparency setting, or the printer will fail to function when it can't detect the media. 

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On Jul 27, 2010, at 6:43 PM, "Un Globe Trotteur" <unglobetrotteur@...> wrote:

> I doubt the 280 is that sophisticated to detect the kind of paper you are 
> using.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-27 by mrjimbo

Phil,
I'm not familiar with the smaller printers at all.. On the large format 
models you can go in and shut all that stuff off. Hopefully that is possible 
on these also.. If you using 8 1/2 x 11 just try a backing sheet..That 
should get you out of the woods.  As a thought.. I think I got it.. duh.. Go 
to a fabric store.. ( we have JoAnns out here)  they have a spray that you 
can use on a piece of paper or ??? this stuff is for quilters.. that will 
turn the material into a sticky note sort of.. Then just lay your clear 
material on that sheet and go for it.. bet that'll do it.. I use this stuff 
for all kinds of crazy things here.

jimbo
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To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency


> Thanks Jimbo. I think the printer paused when it detects I am using
> transparency material. Or it may use some sort of light to detect the
> page edge and the transparency material shows no edges to the light.
>
> I guess if I tape one side/edge of the transparency then it may be able
> to detect the edge of the sheet. But I am wonder which edge should be
> taped.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> mrjimbo wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>> The R280 uses Claria inks which is a dye based ink.. The transparency
>> material Epson sells is for Pigment based inks.. So they are not
>> supporting it with that printer. Just track down some transparency
>> material that is for Dye based inks..( HP has some) and go for it
>> ...you'll be just fine. I can't speak to how well it'll work for
>> digital negs....you may need to make a profile for it but I'd think
>> you'd be just fine..
>>
>> jimbo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Phil
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:02 PM
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency
>>
>> According to Epson, R280 does not work with inkjet transparency.
>>
>> Does anyone has a workaround on this? I am producing digital negatives
>> using transparencies and this limitation is a little strange.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-28 by Phil

I think this is exact what is happening. R280 does not come with a 
driver for transparency material so when I am choosing a driver for any 
opaque material it will just dead/pause in the middle of page feeding, 
exactly before the printing. I wonder where is the sensor is so I can 
just tape that part on the transparency.

Thanks,
Phil

Cdtobie wrote:
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>
> >>I doubt the 280 is that sophisticated to detect the kind of paper 
> you are
> using.
>
> Actually, some printers have a media sensor which requires an opaque 
> media to function, so printing on transparent media does require using 
> the transparency setting, or the printer will fail to function when it 
> can't detect the media.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40Datacolor.com>
>
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 6:43 PM, "Un Globe Trotteur" 
> <unglobetrotteur@... <mailto:unglobetrotteur%40hotmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> > I doubt the 280 is that sophisticated to detect the kind of paper 
> you are
> > using.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-28 by Phil

Ah that is a good idea. instead of finding where is the sensor I should 
tape an 8.5x11 backing sheet onto the transparency to block the light so 
the printer will think it is opaque material.

Thanks,
Phil

mrjimbo wrote:
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> Phil,
> I'm not familiar with the smaller printers at all.. On the large format 
> models you can go in and shut all that stuff off. Hopefully that is possible 
> on these also.. If you using 8 1/2 x 11 just try a backing sheet..That 
> should get you out of the woods.  As a thought.. I think I got it.. duh.. Go 
> to a fabric store.. ( we have JoAnns out here)  they have a spray that you 
> can use on a piece of paper or ??? this stuff is for quilters.. that will 
> turn the material into a sticky note sort of.. Then just lay your clear 
> material on that sheet and go for it.. bet that'll do it.. I use this stuff 
> for all kinds of crazy things here.
>
> jimbo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Phil" <panmedia@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency
>
>
>   
>> Thanks Jimbo. I think the printer paused when it detects I am using
>> transparency material. Or it may use some sort of light to detect the
>> page edge and the transparency material shows no edges to the light.
>>
>> I guess if I tape one side/edge of the transparency then it may be able
>> to detect the edge of the sheet. But I am wonder which edge should be
>> taped.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>>
>> mrjimbo wrote:
>>     
>>> Phil,
>>> The R280 uses Claria inks which is a dye based ink.. The transparency
>>> material Epson sells is for Pigment based inks.. So they are not
>>> supporting it with that printer. Just track down some transparency
>>> material that is for Dye based inks..( HP has some) and go for it
>>> ...you'll be just fine. I can't speak to how well it'll work for
>>> digital negs....you may need to make a profile for it but I'd think
>>> you'd be just fine..
>>>
>>> jimbo
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Phil
>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:02 PM
>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency
>>>
>>> According to Epson, R280 does not work with inkjet transparency.
>>>
>>> Does anyone has a workaround on this? I am producing digital negatives
>>> using transparencies and this limitation is a little strange.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>>
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-28 by mrjimbo

As suggested if you get a can of the spray tack and spray the backing 
sheet.. you can re-use the backing sheet .. I use this stuff for some rice 
papers..

j
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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency


> Ah that is a good idea. instead of finding where is the sensor I should
> tape an 8.5x11 backing sheet onto the transparency to block the light so
> the printer will think it is opaque material.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> mrjimbo wrote:
>> Phil,
>> I'm not familiar with the smaller printers at all.. On the large format
>> models you can go in and shut all that stuff off. Hopefully that is 
>> possible
>> on these also.. If you using 8 1/2 x 11 just try a backing sheet..That
>> should get you out of the woods.  As a thought.. I think I got it.. duh.. 
>> Go
>> to a fabric store.. ( we have JoAnns out here)  they have a spray that 
>> you
>> can use on a piece of paper or ??? this stuff is for quilters.. that will
>> turn the material into a sticky note sort of.. Then just lay your clear
>> material on that sheet and go for it.. bet that'll do it.. I use this 
>> stuff
>> for all kinds of crazy things here.
>>
>> jimbo
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Phil" <panmedia@...>
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Jimbo. I think the printer paused when it detects I am using
>>> transparency material. Or it may use some sort of light to detect the
>>> page edge and the transparency material shows no edges to the light.
>>>
>>> I guess if I tape one side/edge of the transparency then it may be able
>>> to detect the edge of the sheet. But I am wonder which edge should be
>>> taped.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> mrjimbo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil,
>>>> The R280 uses Claria inks which is a dye based ink.. The transparency
>>>> material Epson sells is for Pigment based inks.. So they are not
>>>> supporting it with that printer. Just track down some transparency
>>>> material that is for Dye based inks..( HP has some) and go for it
>>>> ...you'll be just fine. I can't speak to how well it'll work for
>>>> digital negs....you may need to make a profile for it but I'd think
>>>> you'd be just fine..
>>>>
>>>> jimbo
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Phil
>>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>>> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:02 PM
>>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency
>>>>
>>>> According to Epson, R280 does not work with inkjet transparency.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone has a workaround on this? I am producing digital negatives
>>>> using transparencies and this limitation is a little strange.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Phil
>>>>
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson R280 does not work with transparency

2010-07-29 by Phil

mrjimbo wrote:
> As suggested if you get a can of the spray tack and spray the backing 
> sheet.. you can re-use the backing sheet .. I use this stuff for some rice 
> papers..
>
>   

Thanks I did not realize there is such kind of spray. That is really a 
good suggestion. I will get a can to try it out.

Phil

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-08-08 by Richard Vanek

Paul,

I was now two weeks visiting my parents back in Slovakia and I was able to
buy there what I coudn't easily here in The Netherlands.

I bought Glycerol. On the bottle it says 85%, do I use it as you did in
dilution by weight? Does the concentration has any effect on the mixing
values?

On 22 July 2010 07:00, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> > Could you please tell  me more what you mean by C6 base?
>
> See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf
>
>
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[Digital BW] Re: The right BW ink for epson 7500 matte & glossy papers

2010-08-08 by Paul

Richard Vanek <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> ... in Slovakia and I was able to
> buy there what I coudn't easily here in The Netherlands.
> 
> I bought Glycerol. 

I wonder why it's hard to get in the Netherlands.  Even WalMart carries it in the U.S.

> On the bottle it says 85%, do I use it as you did in
> dilution by weight? Does the concentration has any effect
> on the mixing values?

The first thing I wonder about is what the other 15% is.  Assuming it's water, then I'd assume that you'd have to treat the 85% Glycerol as just that -- 85% glycerol and 15% water -- and adjust the mixing as appropriate.

Paul
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> >
> > > Could you please tell  me more what you mean by C6 base?
> >
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> >
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