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Re: Pulse, Sync, Sequencers and Shuffle

2004-04-29 by john duval

You can't use the outputs sequencially because they run in tandem and you can't loop... if i'm reading you right on this.Sure, you can make the first row output to "A" and the second row to "B" and so forth just as it's indicated on the face plate, but they won't go in sequencial

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Re: Pulse, Sync, Sequencers and Shuffle

2004-04-29 by Scott E.

John, You are correct, the DSG must finish it's cycle before it can be retriggered. The rise and fall times must therefore be set to complete before the next trigger. This really is not hard sync at all, but as close as one might come on a Serge, I guess. Regards, Scott =========

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Re: Pulse, Sync, Sequencers and Shuffle

2004-04-29 by John P

And actually, y'know, now that I'm thinking about it, you can't do hard sync with a DSG either. Doesn't hard sync *force* a waveform cycle to restart with every sync pulse input? The DSG won't do that. It completes a whole cycle when triggered, it doesn't retrigger. Scott E. wrot

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Re: Pulse, Sync, Sequencers and Shuffle

2004-04-29 by Scott E.

Responses inline: Ioannis Kazlaris wrote: > 1. Can you get a pulse wave by feeding a square one to a comparator? If > so, how do I vary the pulse width and the depth of the modulation? You can use a comparator to get a variable pulse output, but you would want to feed it a sawtoo

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Re: Pulse, Sync, Sequencers and Shuffle

2004-04-29 by James R. Coplin

The programmer has push buttons to manually select the start step which immediately becomes active. If there is no clock it obviously stays on that step until it gets a clock. This can be used as a 4 value memory device (A ,B,C,D ). If there is a clock running, the last pressed s

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Pulse, Sync, Sequencers and Shuffle

2004-04-29 by Ioannis Kazlaris

Hi people, OK I have some questions for you. 1. Can you get a pulse wave by feeding a square one to a comparator? If so, how do I vary the pulse width and the depth of the modulation? 2. Does the "sync" input in the NTO and PCO provide hard or soft synchronization? How do you get

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-25 by Fernando

Also, the best is to write down what the concept of the patch was. So you can get deeper and deeper (this may result in simpler and simpler sometimes) Something like: ------- "Sharp Sparks" Random triggered hig energy transients with different very short decay resonances. The res

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-25 by Fernando

For me, the best is to do a diagram of the conections. Then anotate the "starting values" of the most important knobs. And further variations. This is still nothing, since there is plenty of interactivity between all modules, functions, signals, etc. and each time you run the cir

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FS: 4 Serge Panels

2004-04-24 by Joe Pavone

All panels are in like new condition and working 100% Please email me if interested, pics & info available on request... Panel 1 Manufactured in Wisconsin Shop - NEW ASR $285 ASR $285 CLK $385 RS $475 PRO $200 PDIV $285 NCOM $300 BLOG $275 DSG $485 ADSR $285 ROX $250 Total $3,510

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by John Loffink

I don’t document patches. For a moderate sized modular synthesizer this gets to be cumbersome and inaccurate. It is good for a learning tool, but not much more. If this is critical to you I recommend a virtual modular. Of course, then you lose the real time features of a real mod

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by John P

Sometimes I'll mix up a few gallons of epoxy and pour it on the patched up Serge. It prevents the knobs from jiggling on a carefully done patch. And then all the patchcords can be pulled out all at once. john duval wrote: >I've had the same patch up for about three months now. >I

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by john duval

I've had the same patch up for about three months now. I've recorded it but still some changes need to be made. I used to write them down, graph them out. I even went so far as to take the templates that rex would send of my panels when they were nearing completion and make copie

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Re: Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by Chris Whitten

If it's a patch I need for a serious project, I either leave it in place until the project is complete, or sample it - just the mere act of sampling changes the sound IMO, let alone the endless tweakability while the patch is still 'live' so to speak. To be honest, I've just lear

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Diagrams?

2004-04-23 by Ioannis Kazlaris

Hi list, what do you people do when it comes to documenting your patches? Do you make diagrams? Do you sample your patches? I thought that if I finally decide to buy the Serge I'd be happy with a digital camera to take shots... LOL Yannis Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-qualit

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Re: Serge Modular CD - update

2004-04-23 by Blake Wilson

That's good news. I look forward to hearing both. John (and Andre and Blake), thanks for your work on this. shoot....my "work" in 2 years is nothing compared to what john has already put into the project. it's like getting excited to see your ex-wife! :^) b. -- M. Blake Wilson is

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Re: Serge Modular CD - update

2004-04-23 by John Loffink

That's good news. I look forward to hearing both. John (and Andre and Blake), thanks for your work on this. John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site http://www.wavemakers-synth.com > -----Original Messa

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Serge Modular CD - update

2004-04-22 by John P

All the tracks for the new (2002) material have been mastered & ready. We're working on the artwork & packaging for it. The mastering engineer's going thru the older (1982) material and tweaking the sound. I've heard the 'raw' material, the variety and musical quality is really g

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Re: ASR application/patch; SSG question

2004-04-22 by johnrichoux

Nice patch. I tried it out, adding a little PDIV here and there, and it has lots of possibilities. I recently took another look at the SSG coupler output as a trigger for various events and with interesting results. I have questions regarding the SSG cycle jacks. Do they have any

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Re: ASR application/patch

2004-04-21 by Scott Stites

Yep! I think the SDIY thread referenced was in regard to my 4006 shift register dalliance, which is an evil blend of the gated comparator and the quantized random voltage function of the Buchla 266 SOU. Cheers, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: sasami@... > To: SergeModula

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Re: ASR application/patch

2004-04-21 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

And that is a fair description of what my "gated comparator" module does :) Ken > From: "James R. Coplin" moog@... > >All this Random vs. Noise and a thread on SDIY made me make one more attempt >at finding a use for the ASRs that I would actually use. I actually finally >found a

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Serge is broken, need STS contact!

2004-04-20 by prosoy@ultimanet.com

So, I tried calling information in the 510 area code, and they have no listening for Sound Transform Systems anymore. I tried calling (262) 367-3030 which is the number listed on the Egres page, and I got some strange woman who had no clue what I was talking about. I searched the

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ASR application/patch

2004-04-20 by James R. Coplin

All this Random vs. Noise and a thread on SDIY made me make one more attempt at finding a use for the ASRs that I would actually use. I actually finally found an application for them I like! This works best with two or *more* ASRs... Use your favorite method to generate a series

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Re: I'm getting confused now

2004-04-19 by john duval

I think the NCOM swap in place of the PDIV is reasonable and a good call. The rest however is something that i personaly wouldn't do. I definately wouldn't use the DSG for a clock source...or rather, force it into that role.Just because you "can" doesn't mean you should. just my

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Re: I'm getting confused now

2004-04-18 by kirkdegiorgio

> Is the sound of the VCF2 much different from the VQCF? yes - the VCF2 is a VC Bandwidth Filter - with voltage control of both Freq and Bandwidth. No 'Q'. The VCFQ is a 'regular' 12dB Multimode Filter - but with nice features such as voltage control of 'Q' and Auto Gain Control

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Re: I'm getting confused now

2004-04-18 by Chris Whitten

'Maybe 4 panels?' You can squeeze a pretty damn powerful system into three IMHO. Any more than one panel is a pretty serious financial outlay on a system you probably don't fully understand yet. I started with one and didn't find it too disappointing. In fact, having progressed t

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I'm getting confused now

2004-04-18 by Ioannis Kazlaris

Hi, what do you think to put a NCOM instead of a PDIV in the Sequencer panel? I can have different pulse from the NCOM's lower part if I remember properly. Also swap the VC Clock for a Random Source since I can clock the sequencers from either the DSG or DTG. And maybe replace th

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Re: Digest Number 631

2004-04-18 by synpro@aol.com

In a message dated 4/18/2004 9:25:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SergeModular@yahoogroups.com writes: >- a Random Source is almost double the price of the Noise Source. If = >Yannis gets the SSG is there anything the Random Source can do that a Noise >Source+SSG comb cannot do? I b

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-18 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

> Seq - I would agree with the dropping of the ASR. I have like three of them >on my system and frankly I haven't found them that useful. ASR are rather like barberploe generators - good at doing exactly one thing. Youc could emulate an ASR using the second channel of the sequenc

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Re: Serge Lust (Part II)

2004-04-17 by john duval

Nice to see things are picking up on the list. Many thanks for the patch that was put up. this is what the list should be. The layouts being discussed here are all good... you can't go wrong and it's just a foregone conclusion that even after months of dilberation your still goin

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Serge Lust (Part II)

2004-04-17 by Ioannis Kazlaris

Hi list, thanx to all the people who answered to my email with suggestions. I considered having two NTOs over PCOs for extra modulations. If I was to replace a NTO with 2 PCOs I would loose a slot and that would probably be taken off from a filter. Thing is I want two VQCFs to ma

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Studio Sale, Part 2 - Serge/Modcan trades considered:

2004-04-17 by Anthony Bisset

RME HDSP 9652 $425 RME HDSP 9652 $400 RME ADI-8 AE $850 RME ADI-8 AE $850 OASYS PCI $200 SYNTECHNO TeeBee MKIII $350 Janal ISOBOX 24u ATA FLIGHT $1500 Demeter RealVerb spring RV1 $350 Roland MKS-50 (rack alpha j2) $125 Casio VZ-10m $125 Furman PL-Pro $90 Rack Rider RR10 $30 Pictu

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Re: more discussion...

2004-04-17 by John P

Just to ans this question.... a noise + SSG can provide all the features of the RS. You just have to do some patching. kirkdegiorgio wrote: >>- At least (1) NTO but otherwise PCO's >>- At least (1) Random Source (over the Noise, no comparison IMHO) >> >> > >I only mentioned the N

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more discussion...

2004-04-17 by kirkdegiorgio

> - At least (1) NTO but otherwise PCO's > - At least (1) Random Source (over the Noise, no comparison IMHO) I only mentioned the Noise as an alternative to the RS because Yannis seemed concerned about the high cost... when I asked James about whether the RS could do anything mor

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Re: Digest Number 630

2004-04-17 by synpro@aol.com

In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:09:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SergeModular@yahoogroups.com writes: thanx for your suggestions. I am thinking of getting some of the shop panels with a few modifications. I will be using the system mainly for creating sounds and secondly for proce

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Fun with the Random Source...

2004-04-17 by James R. Coplin

Since someone asked about the random source versus the noise, I thought I’d patch something fun up to show some of the advantages of the RS over the Noise. Here’s what I did... 1. Patch up a clock to your favorite programmer and/or tkb . (I used both but it doesn’t matter) 2. Set

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-17 by John Loffink

I would get a Variable Slope Filter instead of the second VCFQ for the Red Voice panel. This will give you a little more variety. John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-17 by John Loffink

I would not rule out at least one NTO in your system. Keep in mind what else you're getting beyond a PCO: VC Waveshape, VC Portamento, VC Dynamic Depth FM. That's a lot of functionality in one extra module space. John Loffink The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site http://www.microtona

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-17 by James R. Coplin

I suppose you are right. You can get most of the functionality with the noise and SSG combo as well as gain back a space. *I* really like random voltages so having two S&H sources available via the random source and SSG is worth it to me. Others may not find it so important. Also

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by kirkdegiorgio

"CV-2 – I think you are going to need a random source in this setup. I woul= d suggest maybe something like this: RS, SSG, PRC, NCOM, DTG, ADSR, DSG, ADSR. If you= don't need the switches on the DTG, you can have them replaced with input jacks which = gives you almost all the fun

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by cuari7

I'm partial to PCO's + Dual Comparators instead of NTO's. The PWM effect from the variable wave is not as rich as the PCO/COMP combo, IMO. Plus, you only take up 5 one-inch spaces with 2 PCO's + one Dual Comp. vs 2 NTO's. I love BOTH the Waveshaper and Wave Multiplier. They both

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by kirkdegiorgio

All the Doepfer stuff I own is built as cheaply as possible and in *my > opinion* complete crap. I'll never buy another Doepfer product ever. You > want to talk about service and support issues? I bought a mid-size Doepfer A-100 modular when the first came out - I was a modular n

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by Chris Whitten

Yes, Doepfer can be a bit cheap n' nasty, but I think a comparison to MOTM or Modcan is not out of order. The Modcan Oscillator is $300. I used to own an NTO and a PCO and found them both useful. To restrict yourself to one or other would be a shame IMO. It IS worth thinking ahea

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by James R. Coplin

> also - I think the Triple Waveshaper is more subtle than the Wave > Multiplier - other users > with both may be able to help you decide about this - but the Wave > Multiplier is a superb > module IMO. [James R. Coplin] I missed this in my last post. If you are only going to hav

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by James R. Coplin

Well, you really can’t compare the Doepfer to the Serge. Are they cheaper? Definately . Are they anywhere near the same quality as the Serge stuff, no way. All the Doepfer stuff I own is built as cheaply as possible and in * my opinion * complete crap. I’ll never buy another Doep

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Re: Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by kirkdegiorgio

Hi Yannis > 1. Red Voice modified: NTO/NTO/Triple Waveshaper/Audio Mixer/Variable QCF/Variable QCF/UAP any specific reason for the 2 x VCFQ? also - I think the Triple Waveshaper is more subtle than the Wave Multiplier - other users with both may be able to help you decide about t

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Re: Studio Sale / Serge.Modcan Trades considered.

2004-04-16 by metafoetus2002

Sorry SMOG, this mail was meant to be sent in private to Anthony Bisset. Best regards, Jan-Hinnerk --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com , "metafoetus2002" wrote: > Hi, > > a friend of mine, Chris Adam , is interested in the MKS-50. If the unit > is still available, please feel fre

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Re: Studio Sale / Serge.Modcan Trades considered.

2004-04-16 by metafoetus2002

Hi, a friend of mine, Chris Adam cadam@... >, is interested in the MKS-50. If the unit is still available, please feel free to contact him. I can not forward your address to him, as I do not see it completely (see your mail in SMOG below). Best regards, Jan-Hinnerk Helms --- In S

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Serge Lust.

2004-04-16 by Ioannis Kazlaris

Hi list, thanx for your suggestions. I am thinking of getting some of the shop panels with a few modifications. I will be using the system mainly for creating sounds and secondly for processing others. Maybe a red-kitchen, a cv-1 or cv-2 and a sequencer. 1. Red Voice modified: NT

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Studio Sale / Serge.Modcan Trades considered.

2004-04-15 by Anthony Bisset

I'm selling almost everything. Nearly all of it is high-end or boutique gear. If you don't recognize something, googling for it might be worthwhile. If you want to compare my used prices against others, check http://www.prepal.com I'm quick to consider trades for serge and modcan

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Re: Bug in Serge Planner/ordering panels

2004-04-14 by kirkdegiorgio

I'd agree with John here - I got my 1st 3 panels all at once and although it hurts financially it means you have a solid system straightaway... but plan carefully... I overloaded on Processing modules rather than balancing them with voltage control modules - hence the 4th panel a

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